Game Blog: Spurs vs. Kings - 11.16.2008

[Obstructed_View]

I guess I'm a few seconds behind.

[HarlemHeat37]

Tim makes 2 clutch shots and then misses 2 FT's, come on..

[carina_gino20]

make up call. :lol

[ducks]

beno 5 turnovers

[boutons_]

dammit, Tim chokes

[bdictjames]

Duncan is just amazingly clutch. That was a hard rebound to grab.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I've never seen a two time mvp and champ get shafted on so many calls like Duncan. They don't even let people breathe on kobe.

[Fermixalot]

what do you guys think? are the kings going for the win right now?

[Spurologist]

LMAO

Miller just defined a shot artist. Missing his signature shot - he was WIDE OPEN

[Ice009]

Fight Spurs.

[Jet915]

damn Duncan

[Texas_Ranger]

Ohhh TD...

[VaSpursFan]

this team is growing up without TP and manu...we should be really good when they get back

[spurs1990]

What's going on - did Sac call a timeout or what?

[SpurAddict561]

so what's going on?

I see 90-88 with 1 second left still
lol

[Avitus1]

its ovah!!!

It aint over... till its over....

[Duncanoypi]

there goes my fantasy FT!

[SequSpur]

jacque vaughn

[pawe]

oh shit, spoke too soon

[Avitus1]

Spurs Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bdictjames]

Wow. Kings homers are driving me nuts.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

whewwwwwwwww

Nice win Spurs!!

[bdictjames]

Spurs Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How?

[Spurtacus]

The fat lady is singing!

Fuck yeah. Changing my sig now.

[Fermixalot]

christ....

this season is going to give me a heart attack!

[benefactor]

Still winning ugly...but winning nonetheless.

[Duncanoypi]

WTF! i can breathe now!

[bdictjames]

Yes Spurs win yes yahoo yes

[hoopdreams11]

Mase on Beno seemed to work down the stretch

[duncan228]

Thank God. If they'd lost Duncan was going to be mud. :lol

[johnnyblues]

Nice win. We should be really good come TP and Manu. :D

[z0sa]

Rofl @ douby ... you had 1.8 and you take a contested 28 footer as soon as you catch the ball.

TY

[boutons_]

wow, Spurs find a way.

Congrats!!

[myhc]

:downspin::flag::hat:king:toast:ihit

[Obstructed_View]

Beno sucks.

[Spurminator]

Douby thought they were down by 5, and playing MTV rules, and he was going for the tie.

[carina_gino20]

Yes!

[bdictjames]

J. Thompson looks like Nick Cannon.

[tomtom]

booya 2 in a row

[lefty]

GTFO Beno

[lurker23]

Big win. Spurs basketball.

[Duncanoypi]

1 more win and were at .500 mark!

[Jet915]

yeah baby!

[pawe]

nice option queens. see yah beno!

[spursfan09]

Awesome win! Winning w/o tony and Manu is always good!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Great, gutsy win!

:D

[bdictjames]

DOUBY FOR THE WIN!

nope.

lol Kings announcers

[ca®lo]

hey how'd the spurs win guys?

who took the last shot?

[mVp]

Wow... I'll take the win... but that was ugly lol

[Spurtacus]

Just noticed we hit 90 again. :tu

[Cry Havoc]

Go Spurs Go!

[Ice009]

Finley, Vaughn and Bonner stepped up!

[Texas_Ranger]

Wawawiwa!!!

[Cry Havoc]

hey how'd the spurs win guys?

who took the last shot?

Duncan drove to the rack and scored.

[byrdman31]

:flag::cheer:flag:

[Jet915]

not bad for a team w/o manu and tony

[Fermixalot]

Beno sucks.

Yeah, the FSN broadcast showed a very uneasy hug between Beno and Pop after the game. They both looked like they wanted to puke.

[Spurologist]

Rofl @ douby ... you had 1.8 and you take a contested 28 footer as soon as you catch the ball.

TY

he was making those shots regularly in college. Welcome to the league

[SpursDynasty]

Good win...again, nothing to get too excited about, Sacramento is usually a team we're expected to beat. Good job Spurs.

[VaSpursFan]

and we get the win!!!

[Duncanoypi]

hey how'd the spurs win guys?

who took the last shot?

we're up by 2 1.8 seconds left and Douby fired a contested 3

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, the FSN broadcast showed a very uneasy hug between Beno and Pop after the game. They both looked like they wanted to puke.

And I don't blame either of them. Beno's got every right to hate Pop.

[bdictjames]

Wawawiwa!!!
ooh la la king in the castle

[carina_gino20]

Udoka - DNP?

[Spurologist]

DOUBY FOR THE WIN!

nope.

lol Kings announcers

dude used up all his lungs shouting that out. Championship level material :lol

[Avitus1]

DOUBY FOR THE WIN!

nope.

lol Kings announcers

LOL I was laughing at that too.

[boutons_]

Why does Ric Renner wear that ridiculous, ruggy wig?

[bdictjames]

Thanks for the links guys.. I appreciated it.

[byrdman31]

we got the 8th seed whoooooooo.. in november

[HarlemHeat37]

3-1 without Parker and Ginobili, and the only loss came down to the last shot..have to be proud of this team right now..

[duncan228]

Final: Spurs 90, Kings 88 (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/spursworld/2008/11/gameday_spurs_vs_kings.html)

For the second straight game, Tim Duncan helped the Spurs finish strong on the way to a victory. Duncan had the Spurs' final two baskets in a 90-88 victory over the Kings. :smokin

Duncan finished with 20 points including the tying basket with 49 seconds left and the go-ahead basket with 15 seconds left. Michael Finley led the Spurs with 21 points and Roger Mason Jr. had 18.

There were eight lead changes in the fourth quarter.

John Salmons led the Kings with 31 points. Former Spur Beno Udrih had 16 points and four assists.

FOURTH QUARTER

Tim Duncan scored to tie it 88-88 with 49.5 seconds left in the game.

The Kings lead 81-79 midway through the fourth quarter. John Salmons has 29 points including the Kings' last basket.

It looks like it will be tight heading down the stretch. The Spurs made a 7-0 run and took a 73-72 lead on a Roger Mason Jr. 3-pointer. The Kings answered and lead 76-75 with 8:45 left.

THIRD QUARTER

The Spurs finished the third quarter with an 8-2 run. The Kings still led 72-68.

The Kings made an 11-4 surge. They went ahead 63-55, matching their biggest lead of the first half.

Sacramento's John Salmons has two 3-pointers and a three-point play early in the second half. The Kings lead 55-51.

SECOND QUARTER

Tim Duncan and Michael Finley had 10 points each as the Spurs took a 43-42 halftime lead.

The teams traded baskets late in the half and there were seven lead changes in the last three minues of the second quarter.

A Finley basket put the Spurs in front 34-33 for their first lead of the game.

Matt Bonner has a basket and a 3-pointer in the second quarter. The Kings lead 31-24 midway through the quarter behind 12 points from John Salmons.

FIRST QUARTER

Sacramento's John Salmons scored 10 points to lead the Kings to a 23-15 lead at the end of the first quarter.

Salmons was 4 of 5 from the field in the quarter. The Spurs were 6 of 21 shooting (28.6 percent).

Tim Duncan has eight points but the Spurs trail 21-15 late in the first quarter.

Michael Finley had the Spurs' first basket and Tim Duncan had four points early. They're looking for some help as the Kings have jumped out to a 12-6 lead.

PREGAME

Spurs starters: George Hill, Roger Mason Jr., Michael Finley, Tim Duncan and Fabricio Oberto.

New Spurs guard Blake Ahern is in uniform and active for tonight's game.

The Spurs beat the Kings in seven of their last eight meetings. The Spurs could use another victory against the Kings tonight to build some momentum following Friday's victory over the Houston Rockets.

A victory tonight would also get the Spurs off to a good start in the first game of a road back-to-back. The Spurs are in Los Angeles on Monday for a 9:30 p.m. game against the Clippers.

The Kings had won four of five games before losing to the Suns on Friday.

Sacramento's Kevin Martin, who has been known to give the Spurs fits, is averaging a team-high 22.4 points per game. He hasn't played since Nov. 9. He is expected to miss tonight's game due to a left ankle sprain.

On Wednesday night, former Spurs guard Beno Udrih scored a career-high 30 points to lead the Kings to a 103-98 victory over the Clippers. Udrih is averaging 11.8 points and 4.1 assists.

A note on another former Spur: Robert Horry spent part of Sunday afternoon at a restaurant near the Spurs' practice facility having lunch and watching football.

[lefty]

Timmy is GOAT

[Obstructed_View]

3-1 without Parker and Ginobili, and the only loss came down to the last shot..have to be proud of this team right now..

Gotta love defense. 103-99 games suck ass.

[bdictjames]

We held the Kings to 45%, by the start of the fourth quarter they were shooting about 52%. This team is great.

Vaughn and Bonner played absolutely well.

[Fermixalot]

Tim with an exact 20-10 game tonight. Glad he got back to his rebounding numbers. 'Twas annoying to hear people question his heart.

Good win for the Spurs, they gutted it out. But I do wish that they would stop getting themselves in holes and having to fight tooth and nail to win the games. I wish we could just put a team away for once.

[Ice009]

Finley, Vaughn, Bonner. Great games for us. They stepped up!

[Fermixalot]

And I don't blame either of them. Beno's got every right to hate Pop.

Extremely true. Beno has a good game and we could have really used him had Pop ever gave him a chance.

[ducks]

Extremely true. Beno has a good game and we could have really used him had Pop ever gave him a chance.

pop gave beno several chances
where have you been

beno also had 5 turnovers tonight

[duncan228]

'Twas annoying to hear people question his heart.

It always is.

[024]

great win for the spurs considering this team is just duncan and scrubs. still concerned about the interior presence of the spurs but the return of two all stars means the spurs can only get better.

[Obstructed_View]

Extremely true. Beno has a good game and we could have really used him had Pop ever gave him a chance.

Meh, he didn't help himself by not coming to camp in shape and by dragging out every little annoying injury. I predicted Beno'd make the all star team at his next stop after San Antonio, but he's still a fucking pussy, and Pop's never going to like players like him. What pissed me off is that Pop picked up his option knowing damn good and well he was never going to like the guy or trust him enough to let him play.

[johnnyblues]

Bonner just upped his trade value.

[Obstructed_View]

It always is.

It's annoying when he looks so gutless when going for rebounds. He looked like a different player in that respect tonight. The Duncan from two games ago wouldn't have gotten half of those tough boards in the 4th quarter that ended up being the difference in the game.

[SPURS vs NBA media]

Extremely true. Beno has a good game and we could have really used him had Pop ever gave him a chance.

Beno is doing good because he plays for an average NBA team,but SUCKS on a championship team

[duncan228]

It's annoying when he looks so gutless when going for rebounds. He looked like a different player in that respect tonight. The Duncan from two games ago wouldn't have gotten half of those tough boards in the 4th quarter that ended up being the difference in the game.

It is annoying, but we're spoiled. We expect greatness from him every game, every minute. He's not always going to do that. But he usually gives us all he's got on any given night. His heart is in it, even when he's having an off game.

[Obstructed_View]

It is annoying, but we're spoiled. We expect greatness from him every game, every minute. He's not always going to do that. But he usually gives us all he's got on any given night. His heart is in it, even when he's having an off game.

I don't know that expecting a career double digit rebounder to keep the other team from getting a thousand offensive rebounds is expecting greatness, and If he's going to play 40 minutes, then they need to win the game. Wanting him to be the leading rebounder on the team is one thing, hoping he can out-board both his starting guards is another.

[T Park]

Extremely true. Beno has a good game and we could have really used him had Pop ever gave him a chance.

Go rewatch the seasons he was here again.

He had multitudes of chances.

[Obstructed_View]

Beno is doing good because he plays for an average NBA team,but SUCKS on a championship team

Beno is doing good because he's an extremely talented player playing for a coach that is willing to suffer primadonnas in order to get wins and keep his job.

[T Park]

Bonner just upped his trade value.

If he plays this well more often, why trade him?

[loveforthegame]

Great game. Even better that we got the win.

Duncan did his thing and we got nice contributions from Finley, Mason, Vaughn, and Bonner.

Finley still has some miscues but I'm really liking how he's moving without the ball and even attacking the basket some. That dunk was Finley like 5 years ago.

[duncan228]

I don't know that expecting a career double digit rebounder to keep the other team from getting a thousand offensive rebounds is expecting greatness, and If he's going to play 40 minutes, then they need to win the game. Wanting him to be the leading rebounder on the team is one thing, hoping he can out-board both his starting guards is another.

I'm leaning toward the idea that he needs to stay out of foul trouble as long as he's the only one of the big 3 playing. His effort on offensive boards really changed when we lost Parker. He can't be in the middle of that mess on every play without a higher risk of fouling.

His rebounding has always amazed me. He'll be under the basket with a zillion guys and somehow it's his fingertips that rise above them all. I think he'll be back to his usual numbers when he isn't carrying the offensive and defensive load.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm leaning toward the idea that he needs to stay out of foul trouble as long as he's the only one of the big 3 playing. His effort on offensive boards really changed when we lost Parker. He can't be in the middle of that mess on every play without a higher risk of fouling.

His rebounding has always amazed me. He'll be under the basket with a zillion guys and somehow it's his fingertips that rise above them all. I think he'll be back to his usual numbers when he isn't carrying the offensive and defensive load.

I heard that argument the other night when someone made it, and it makes some sense until you realize Timmy had 2 personal fouls against Houston for the game and had 2 fouls in the first 47:30 of the Milwaukee game. That's a sign of passivity, and when you couple it with 5 rebounds per game, it's alarming. I never thought he'd do it twice in a row; I'm glad he didn't do it three times so we can stop talking about it now. :)

[SenorSpur]

I don't know that expecting a career double digit rebounder to keep the other team from getting a thousand offensive rebounds is expecting greatness, and If he's going to play 40 minutes, then they need to win the game. Wanting him to be the leading rebounder on the team is one thing, hoping he can out-board both his starting guards is another.

I don't think that too much to expect Duncan to register at or near a double-double. He's been a 20-10 machine all of his career. It was good to see him have a solid rebounding effort (10) versus the Queens.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm leaning toward the idea that he needs to stay out of foul trouble as long as he's the only one of the big 3 playing. His effort on offensive boards really changed when we lost Parker. He can't be in the middle of that mess on every play without a higher risk of fouling.

His rebounding has always amazed me. He'll be under the basket with a zillion guys and somehow it's his fingertips that rise above them all. I think he'll be back to his usual numbers when he isn't carrying the offensive and defensive load.

Very insightful, that makes a lot of sense...

oh, and anyone who ever questions Tim Duncan's WARRIOR HEART is a MORON. :ihit

[duncan228]

I heard that argument the other night when someone made it, and it makes some sense until you realize Timmy had 2 personal fouls against Houston for the game and had 2 fouls in the first 47:30 of the Milwaukee game. That's a sign of passivity, and when you couple it with 5 rebounds per game, it's alarming. I never thought he'd do it twice in a row; I'm glad he didn't do it three times so we can stop talking about it now. :)

Just a question before we stop, what would you attribute the passivity to?

[mystargtr34]

Meh, he didn't help himself by not coming to camp in shape and by dragging out every little annoying injury. I predicted Beno'd make the all star team at his next stop after San Antonio, but he's still a fucking pussy, and Pop's never going to like players like him. What pissed me off is that Pop picked up his option knowing damn good and well he was never going to like the guy or trust him enough to let him play.

Beno Udrih is a talented player, but he is no where near all-star caliber - not even close.

[td4mvp21]

Once again, the Spurs pull off a gutsy win. I'm really proud of this team :flag:

[m33p0]

i take it we won. :flag:

[Manufan909]

Damn, i'll have to wait for the highlights to see Fin's dunk. Fuck me.

[Biggems]

what was up with the refs totally ignoring Moore shoving Vaughn out of bounds....that play warranted a Technical...possibly a flagrant.

[dougp]

All I have to say is,


:flag: 3-1 :flag:

[xellos88330]

All I have to say is,


:flag: 3-1 :flag:




:worthy:

[angelbelow]

hill 18 minutes? i couldnt watch whats up with that.

[T Park]

hill 18 minutes? i couldnt watch whats up with that.

He played bad, Vaughn played well.

[angelbelow]

He played bad, Vaughn played well.

fair enough.

[Dex]

A note on another former Spur: Robert Horry spent part of Sunday afternoon at a restaurant near the Spurs' practice facility having lunch and watching football.


Did anyone else find this suspicious? :dizzy

[Obstructed_View]

Beno Udrih is a talented player, but he is no where near all-star caliber - not even close.

Talent wise? You're out of your mind. He's very good at everything, he just doesn't give a shit half the time about the game or his teammates.

Those of us on the outside got pissed off at Pop for not playing him, but Beno's the stereotypical over-pampered spoiled athlete, and Pop had to see him every day next to Parker, who worked his ass off every day for three straight years just to be close to as good a shooter as Beno is. Watching the contrast between those two guys had to chap Pop's ass. We were joking about how pissed off Pop was when Beno scored tonight, but it's probably because he sees Beno's success as an insult to guys like Parker who work every day to make themselves better.

[Obstructed_View]

Just a question before we stop, what would you attribute the passivity to?

I don't know that I'd attribute it to anything. It's a long season, and like you said, he can't do everything every single night. He's been doing an excellent job of coming alive on the offensive end at the end of games, and his defense has been much better on the whole, and stellar at times. But I watched both of those games and he just got beat to spots, caught out of position and out-battled by smaller guys for the ball. With Manu and Tony out everything he does or doesn't do is magnified. I'm perfectly willing to chalk it up to just an incredible fluke of bad bounces as long as it doesn't happen again soon.

I just looked, and Duncan had back to back 5 rebound games twice last year, both times in November. :wow

[Obstructed_View]

Just a question before we stop, what would you attribute the passivity to?

I don't know that I'd attribute it to anything. It's a long season, and like you said, he can't do everything every single night. He's been doing an excellent job of coming alive on the offensive end at the end of games, and his defense has been much better on the whole, and stellar at times. But I watched both of those games and he just got beat to spots, caught out of position and out-battled by smaller guys for the ball. With Manu and Tony out everything he does or doesn't do is magnified. I'm perfectly willing to chalk it up to just an incredible fluke of bad bounces as long as it doesn't happen again soon.

I just looked, and Duncan had back to back 5 rebound games twice last year, both times in November, right about this time. :wow

[duncan228]

I don't know that I'd attribute it to anything. It's a long season, and like you said, he can't do everything every single night. He's been doing an excellent job of coming alive on the offensive end at the end of games, and his defense has been much better on the whole, and stellar at times. But I watched both of those games and he just got beat to spots, caught out of position and out-battled by smaller guys for the ball. With Manu and Tony out everything he does or doesn't do is magnified. I'm perfectly willing to chalk it up to just an incredible fluke of bad bounces as long as it doesn't happen again soon.

I just looked, and Duncan had back to back 5 rebound games twice last year, both times in November, right about this time. :wow

I'll join you in the fluke theory. I'll have to re-watch the games and pay better attention to what happened.

I hope it doesn't happen again, it seems like he's warmed up. Maybe it's a November thing and it is standing out more because of his being the only one standing.

[Obstructed_View]

I'll join you in the fluke theory. I'll have to re-watch the games and pay better attention to what happened.

I hope it doesn't happen again, it seems like he's warmed up. Maybe it's a November thing and it is standing out more because of his being the only one standing.

I don't think anyone that points out his mistakes is forgetting how good he's been this year and how incredible he's been at the end of games. I'm certainly not. To me, if we're discussing the team and critiquing the players, nobody gets a pass.

[duncan228]

I don't think anyone that points out his mistakes is forgetting how good he's been this year and how incredible he's been at the end of games. I'm certainly not. To me, if we're discussing the team and critiquing the players, nobody gets a pass.

No one should get a pass, it's a team sport. It takes all of them to win. Or lose.

Obviously I'm biased, and I try to keep that in mind when Duncan is the one being critiqued. He should be called out when he has it coming.

But I've never seen him play without heart, which is the comment that started this conversation. He may have bad games but I believe his heart is always in it and he steps on the court every game hunting for the win.

[Obstructed_View]

No one should get a pass, it's a team sport. It takes all of them to win. Or lose.

Obviously I'm biased, and I try to keep that in mind when Duncan is the one being critiqued. He should be called out when he has it coming.

But I've never seen him play without heart, which is the comment that started this conversation. He may have bad games but I believe his heart is always in it and he steps on the court every game hunting for the win.

Well, I did call it gutless, but Bogut had 17 boards and just manhandled him, and it pisses me off because that shouldn't happen. Duncan obviously thought so as well because of the way he performed in the last few minutes. Maybe I wouldn't have the balls to call him out if I were the coach, but I'm also not buying the "he was saving his fouls" story.

[alchemist]

awesome win, Timmy put the team on his back again for those last minutes.

Wonder if Finley's dunk will be the NBA's top play of the day, pretty incredible dunk there.

[Obstructed_View]

Last time I saw Fin do that, I think he was wearing a blue jersey.

[outmap]

awesome win, Timmy put the team on his back again for those last minutes.

Wonder if Finley's dunk will be the NBA's top play of the day, pretty incredible dunk there.

Does anyone have it on video/youtube?

:flag:

[twincam]

any video link on this dunk I keep hearing about?

[duncan228]

I haven't found Finley's dunk, but Duncan's basket is here:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/play_of_the_day/2008/11/16/nba_20081116_pod.nba/