Nash's MVP's are greatest crime ever

[barbacoataco]

Just watching the Suns and Blazers and thinking about Nash being the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. The "experts" were so caught up in his stats, which were the result of D'Antoni's system, that they missed the fact that he can't defend a paper bag. Also, he was always outplayed by Tony Parker when they matched up in the playoffs. Actually, the Suns never had Nash defend Parker because that would have been a massacre. Now, with a more standard offense, Nash is averaging 7 assists a game instead of 11, and the MVP's look more and more silly.

[timvp]

To be fair, Nash did defend Parker once in the playoffs. Parker that game only had 41 points and 12 assists.

[ducks]

nash is stuggling with porter change of style

[ducks]

still think nash should not have been mvp though

[ElNono]

There are worse calamities. Like TD never being winning defensive player of the year...

[Kai]

inb4dirkstolenash's3rd

[pauls931]

still think nash should not have been mvp though

Didn't he make the WCF with their best offensive player Amare injured? He deserved at least one of them. Remove the best player from any team and I imagine phoenix suffers the most.

[sook]

this is crazy, before the shaq trade Nash with the Suns has to be one of the greatest PGs i have ever seen, and top 5 to ever play the game.

Whether the spurs hate him or not, give credit where it is due. Dude used to be amazing and he deserved at least one of those MVPs

[dirk4mvp]

Are you Jemele Hill?

[lurker]

I don't see how the way he's playing now means he should not have won the MVPs. He obviously didn't play like this during those two seasons.

[duncan228]

There are worse calamities. Like TD never being winning defensive player of the year...

That is a crime.

[himat]

Nash deserved the first one he got. Kobe should of had the second one he won.

[barbacoataco]

Name one other MVP from the last 20 years who was a total lliability on defense. In fact most of them were great defenders, or at least better than average. If you're only looking at half the game Bruce Bowen could just as well be MVP. Dirk isn't a great defender, but he isn't a liability, and his size gives him some value. But Nash, even in his prime, got torched whenever he faced top tier point guards. That was one of the main reasons the Suns always struggled against top teams, and beat up on mediocre, young teams.

I know Nash is great offensive player, passer, shooter, playmaker, makes his teammates better etc. But I would rather have Billups as a PG any day. If people weren't so caught up on mis-interpreting statistics, he would never have been considered a MVP player. He is an Allstar player, but no way a MVP like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Karl and Moses Malone, Hakeem, Shaq, DRob, or even Dirk, who is pretty lame as far as MVP's go too.

[peskypesky]

this is crazy, before the shaq trade Nash with the Suns has to be one of the greatest PGs i have ever seen, and top 5 to ever play the game.

Whether the spurs hate him or not, give credit where it is due. Dude used to be amazing and he deserved at least one of those MVPs

I agree.

[Obstructed_View]

The one thing Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant have in common is that they each have an MVP trophy that belongs to Lebron James.

[Spurtacus]

Stevie, remember me?

-Shawn Marion

[MI21]

Nash was incredible offensively under Coach Pringles system but there is just no way such a pathetic defensive player should have won an MVP, let alone back to back.

[Ghazi]

The Suns won 29 games in 2003-2004

The Suns won 62 games in 2004-2005 when they acquired Nash.

Don't tell me that isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP well deserved.

[KidCongo]

The one thing Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant have in common is that they each have an MVP trophy that belongs to Lebron James.

+1

[angelbelow]

i think shaq deserved his first one, and nash deserved the 2nd one he got, and that 2nd one that he got belonged to him by a long shot.

[Kamnik]

1. Nash is a couple of years older than when he recieved those MVPs

2. Withouht Nash that team SUCKED; and even now when he is off the court Amare is much worse

3. He did not recieve those MVPs because of his defense; everyone knew it always sucked



2 are a lot, but he surely desereved at least one!

[galvatron3000]

Just watching the Suns and Blazers and thinking about Nash being the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. The "experts" were so caught up in his stats, which were the result of D'Antoni's system, that they missed the fact that he can't defend a paper bag. Also, he was always outplayed by Tony Parker when they matched up in the playoffs. Actually, the Suns never had Nash defend Parker because that would have been a massacre. Now, with a more standard offense, Nash is averaging 7 assists a game instead of 11, and the MVP's look more and more silly.

I have to say, Nash made being a passing pg fun but he was great for the system he played in which is why he thrive after leaving Dallas. Even pro guy ranked him high but I'd take Kevin Johnson in that system over Nash. I respect Nash because he ran the system to perfection and I didn't have a problem with 1 MVP but if he won 1 for doing that then Paul should have won last year. I always gave alot of credit to putting nash in a system like that, alot of these guy would thrive if coaches would placed them in the appropriate system.

[Sissiborgo]

Nash is playing bad at the moment..:rolleyes

[peskypesky]

I wonder if the fact that Nash and Dirk are white may have helped them somewhat in getting all those MVP's.

[Allanon]

The media was presented with a tough choice, give Nash an MVP or give it to Kobe. They've always hated Kobe so Nash was the lesser of two evils.

[dirk4mvp]

I wonder if the fact that Nash and Dirk are white may have helped them somewhat in getting all those MVP's.


Of course, the only reason Bird won 3 in a row was because of his pasty skin.

What a dumb fucking comment.

[pauls931]

The Suns won 29 games in 2003-2004

The Suns won 62 games in 2004-2005 when they acquired Nash.

Don't tell me that isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP well deserved.

Haters, hate facts.

[itzsoweezee]

the fact that he's won two, while shaq has only won once is completely beyond reason. nash is so fucking overrated it's sickening.

[itzsoweezee]

Haters, hate facts.

valuable, yes. most valuable? hell the fuck no.

[balli]

I don't think his play this season should factor into it at all, but I've never thought Nash should have won those trophies.

[z0sa]

Of course, the only reason Bird won 3 in a row was because of his pasty skin.

What a dumb fucking comment.

Eh, wasn't shaq the one who said he lost the MVP to Nash over a racial issue? I think thats what he's using as the base of his joke.

[ShoogarBear]

The fact that the Suns couldn't win the West despite having almost twice the talent of every other team makes those MVPs meaningless.

Swap Tim Duncan for Nash on those teams and give them a normal coach and they win multiple titles.

[ClingingMars]

I wonder if the fact that Nash and Dirk are white may have helped them somewhat in getting all those MVP's.

:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

-Mars

[timvp]

The Suns won 29 games in 2003-2004

The Suns won 62 games in 2004-2005 when they acquired Nash.

Don't tell me that isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP well deserved.

The Mavs won 52 games in 2003-2004

The Mavs won 58 games in 2004-2005 when they replaced Nash with Dampier.

Don't tell me Dampier isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP was deserved.

[sook]

The Mavs won 52 games in 2003-2004

The Mavs won 58 games in 2004-2005 when they replaced Nash with Dampier.

Don't tell me Dampier isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP was deserved.

are you stupid? Are you trying to compare a 20 win to 60 win turnaround to a 52 to 58 win tunraround?

FAIL.

[ShoogarBear]

The point is, if Nash was so valuable, how did the Mavericks get better without him? And not just a little bit better, but much, much better over the next two seasons? And not just without him, but losing him to free agency without getting anything back?

[resistanze]

Let's ignore that fact that the year before Nash joined the Suns, they blew up their team with a blockbuster trade during the season, fired their coach, and missed Amare for 1/3 of the season due to injury.

Bottomline: Disregarding Nash, every back-to-back MVP winner in NBA history has won the NBA title in at least one of those back-to-back years. It's not a coincidence.

[dirk4mvp]

The Mavs won 52 games in 2003-2004

The Mavs won 58 games in 2004-2005 when they replaced Nash with Dampier.

Don't tell me Dampier isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP was deserved.


Obviously, the only reason he didn't receive that MVP was because of the discrimination towards the state of Mississippi.

[duncan228]

Bottomline: Disregarding Nash, every back-to-back MVP winner in NBA history has won the NBA title in at least one of those back-to-back years. It's not a coincidence.

It's a pretty short, elite list. (I think I have them all).

Duncan
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Moses Malone
Kareem
Wilt
Russell

[Darkwaters]

There are worse calamities. Like TD never being winning defensive player of the year...

Bowen

[resistanze]

It's a pretty short, elite list. (I think I have them all).

Duncan
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Moses Malone
Kareem
Wilt
Russell

Yup, thanks. All top 20 players all-time.

[Girasuck]

There are worse calamities. Like TD never being winning defensive player of the year...

or Sloan never winning a COY.

[Allanon]

or Sloan never winning a COY.

I have to agree that THIS is the greatest diss of all time.

[SpursDynasty]

The greatest NBA crime ever was having both Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony start the NBA All-Star Game...Denver Nuggets with 2 All-Star starters?

[BRHornet45]

sons what makes this even funnier is that Nash is a cuckold in his personal life LOL

[Obstructed_View]

The Suns won 29 games in 2003-2004

The Suns won 62 games in 2004-2005 when they acquired Nash.

Don't tell me that isn't a valuable player. Case closed. MVP well deserved.

Then where are the MVP awards for David Robinson, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett? All of their teams had bigger turnarounds upon their arrival, right? If you're going to just ignore the injuries, trades and coaching changes the Suns went through the previous season, then those other guys are far more deserving of the MVP based on your ignorant logic.

[Obstructed_View]

i think shaq deserved his first one, and nash deserved the 2nd one he got, and that 2nd one that he got belonged to him by a long shot.

I agree with the first part. Duncan and Shaq both had arguments that year if memory serves. Seems like Duncan missed some games at some point which was the excuse used to disqualify him.

Lebron averaged 31 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, a block and 1.6 steals the same year Nash won his second. John Stockton never finished higher than 7th in MVP voting despite having stats that just shredded Nash's. If a guy who leads the league in assists and steals a couple of times can't get a sniff, there's no way Nash should have even been considered.

[resistanze]

I wasn't outraged until the second MVP. The first MVP you could get away with, there was no clear-cut frontrunners for the award. Nash was like the Dustin Pedroia of the 2004-05 season.

The second MVP however, there were so many candidates more deserving, with LeBron leading the pack. Hell, Dirk was more deserving for the award that year IMO than the year he actually won. I just don't get how you credit a guy for single-handledly turning a team around one year, then the following year reward him "keeping the team afloat" when Amare was injured.

[kcplayboi_26]

are you stupid? Are you trying to compare a 20 win to 60 win turnaround to a 52 to 58 win tunraround?

FAIL.

lol yea that was pretty pointless, very bad

[Kai]

are you stupid? Are you trying to compare a 20 win to 60 win turnaround to a 52 to 58 win tunraround?

FAIL.

You "FAIL" to notice that he is pointing out that the Mavs lost such a "valuable" player, yet went on to win more games without him than they did with him. He's being sarcastic about Dampier.

[KidCongo]

I agree with the first part. Duncan and Shaq both had arguments that year if memory serves. Seems like Duncan missed some games at some point which was the excuse used to disqualify him.

Lebron averaged 31 points, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, a block and 1.6 steals the same year Nash won his second. John Stockton never finished higher than 7th in MVP voting despite having stats that just shredded Nash's. If a guy who leads the league in assists and steals a couple of times can't get a sniff, there's no way Nash should have even been considered.

+ Cavs won 50 games that year.

[Bandwagon Fan]

The one thing Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant have in common is that they each have an MVP trophy that belongs to Lebron James.


+1
Lebron has never deserved one. Kobe has deserved two considering he's the real star of his generation.

[Obstructed_View]

Lebron has never deserved one. Kobe has deserved two considering he's the real star of his generation.

You're right. Lebron deserves two by this point, one of which was given to Kobe. Kobe deserves zero considering he's the real star of his generation that can't win unless he's surrounded by talent. KG did more with less talent than Kobe did, and deserved his MVP only slightly less than Kobe did his.

[barbacoataco]

Lebron and Kobe are both all around players that should be an MVP. Although Lebron is not a great defender, he is capable enough. Kobe, when he wants to be, is one of the best defenders in the NBA. So were the other MVP's, unlike Nash, who is a BELOW AVERAGE defender for his position.

Also, Lebron and Kobe have both been the best players on teams that went to the Finals. Nash has never led a team to the Finals.

One of the things that cracks me up is that Duncan has never had the talent around him that Kobe and Nash have, but "experts" and fans often seem to suggest that his success is because of his team. In fact, Nash has always had more talent around him. In 2005 the Suns had a player (Amare) that the Spurs couldn't stp AT ALL. So if Nash is really a MVP type player, and you already have another player who is unstoppable, how can the Suns not win?
The fact is that Bowen always put the lid on Nash. MVP players don't get stopped by single coverage in the playoffs. Not even Dirk.

[Bandwagon Fan]

Lebron will be MVP, but so far he hasnt deserved one

You're right. Lebron deserves two by this point, one of which was given to Kobe. Kobe deserves zero considering he's the real star of his generation that can't win unless he's surrounded by talent. KG did more with less talent than Kobe did, and deserved his MVP only slightly less than Kobe did his.
Lebron hasnt done anything yet. The farthest he's gotten is achieving some of the personal achievements Kobe has had for awhile. Also, you're an idiot, everyone who's won multiple titles has been surrounded by several HOFers. Shaq wasnt any different, and if youre going to continue your argument then Tim Duncan is much less deserving of his MVP trophy then Kobe considering he's needed two all-stars on his team to do anything as head hancho.

[resistanze]

Lebron will be MVP, but so far he hasnt deserved one

Lebron hasnt done anything yet. The farthest he's gotten is achieving some of the personal achievements Kobe has had for awhile. Also, you're an idiot, everyone who's won multiple titles has been surrounded by several HOFers. Shaq wasnt any different, and if youre going to continue your argument then Tim Duncan is much less deserving of his MVP trophy then Kobe considering he's needed two all-stars on his team to do anything as head hancho.

LeBron hasn't done anything yet? He's made it to the finals with half the talent than Kobe ever had when he reached the finals, so I don't get your argument.

Well, unless your argument is Ilgauskas + Boobie + Varejao = Shaq/Malone/Payton/Odom/Gasol

[Bandwagon Fan]

You mean in the leastern conference where his team proceeded to be swept? Maybe if it was the west it would be impressive, but then theyd have just been owned in the first or second round.

Also, Lebron was a wimp. He sat out games due to back spasms or some junk like that. Kobe is still playing with an injured finger.

[barbacoataco]

"and if youre going to continue your argument then Tim Duncan is much less deserving of his MVP trophy then Kobe considering he's needed two all-stars on his team to do anything as head hancho."


WHo were the two allstars that Duncan had in 2003? Parker and Ginobili were not yet close to being allstars, and DRob was a shadow of himself. Duncan won the championship that year as the ONLY star caliber player on the team. Only Olajuwon has done that.

[Obstructed_View]

Lebron will be MVP, but so far he hasnt deserved one
He's put up jaw-dropping statistics and has willed teams stocked with terrible teammates to good records and deep into the playoffs, including taking a horrible team to the finals. If he hasn't deserved one, then Kobe hasn't even deserved to be in the discussion.


Lebron hasnt done anything yet. The farthest he's gotten is achieving some of the personal achievements Kobe has had for awhile.
Again, Lebron's done a dozen things things Kobe's never done, despite playing in less than half as many seasons, including taking a bad team further than one round into the playoffs.


Also, you're an idiot, everyone who's won multiple titles has been surrounded by several HOFers.
And some guys who have been surrounded by hall of famers can't beat the Pistons. And, um, what do titles have to do with the regular season MVP? Never actually entered the discussion before you brought it up. You really went to work on that strawman, though. :lol


Tim Duncan is much less deserving of his MVP trophy then Kobe considering he's needed two all-stars on his team to do anything as head hancho.
Duncan has two. Make your case for anyone other than Duncan in '01 or '02 and I'll make a better case for Lebron over Kobe.

[duncan228]

Duncan has two. Make your case for anyone other than Duncan in '01 or '02 and I'll make a better case for Lebron over Kobe.

I know you meant '02 and '03 on Duncan's MVP's. :)

[Obstructed_View]

I know you meant '02 and '03 on Duncan's MVP's. :)

'01-'02 and '02-'03, right? Oh yeah, I typed it wrong.

[Bandwagon Fan]

He's put up jaw-dropping statistics and has willed teams stocked with terrible teammates to good records and deep into the playoffs, including taking a horrible team to the finals. If he hasn't deserved one, then Kobe hasn't even deserved to be in the discussion.
What in the leastern conference? :rolleyes. As Kobe said put him in the leastern and see watch how well he can do. Two seasons ago lebron didnt even have a reliable jumpshot and was barely above average in defense, which was why his team was swept in the finals.

Again, Lebron's done a dozen things things Kobe's never done, despite playing in less than half as many seasons, including taking a bad team further than one round into the playoffs.
What does that matter? This isnt a job application, the fact is Kobe has been a better player then Lebron James. Lebron himself even admitted it, so really you're aiming into thin air. If you're going to list Lebrons accomplishments in the leastern conference, you're arguments will fall on deaf ears to anyone with a brain.

And some guys who have been surrounded by hall of famers can't beat the Pistons. And, um, what do titles have to do with the regular season MVP? Never actually entered the discussion before you brought it up. You really went to work on that strawman, though. :lol
I didnt say Kobe deserved it in 2004, but Lebron certainly didnt deserve it in '07. And you're the one who's brought up his deep playoff run and winning without other talent four times already. Take that away and you got nothing.

Duncan has two. Make your case for anyone other than Duncan in '01 or '02 and I'll make a better case for Lebron over Kobe.
Hey, anyone can make a case for a Nash MVP. Sometimes youre just the best of people who suck.

Anyways, I was just pointing out the stupidity of arguing that you need to win without talent to deserve an MVP. Take away Timmy's other talent, and he has 0 MVP awards and 0 Championships. Case in point: Spurs 0-3 start even with all-star Tony Parker, including losses to Miami and Milwaukee :lmao. Even Kobe didnt have pathetic starts like that with much less talent.

[21_Blessings]

Nash's second MVP was a joke. But the biggest crime against humaity was the MVP award Stern UPS'd to Dirk at home after he shit the bed in the first round. Against the 8 seed. 67 win team lol

[Darrin]

Just watching the Suns and Blazers and thinking about Nash being the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. The "experts" were so caught up in his stats, which were the result of D'Antoni's system, that they missed the fact that he can't defend a paper bag. Also, he was always outplayed by Tony Parker when they matched up in the playoffs. Actually, the Suns never had Nash defend Parker because that would have been a massacre. Now, with a more standard offense, Nash is averaging 7 assists a game instead of 11, and the MVP's look more and more silly.

Allen Iverson is the most overrated player. Nash is the best Canadian and a 1-time winner of the MVP. The 2005-06 trophy belongs to Kobe Bean Bryant.

[resistanze]

"Leastern conference" arguments agianst LeBron are weak.

I guess since LeBron defeated the same team in the playoffs that curbstomped the Lakers in the '04 Finals, LeBron >>> Kobe (+Shaq).

[Sportstudi]

Nash's second MVP was a joke. But the biggest crime against humaity was the MVP award Stern UPS'd to Dirk at home after he shit the bed in the first round. Against the 8 seed. 67 win team lol


The MVP is for the REGULAR SEASON, not for the playoffs. I agree that he did not play well in the playoffs, but he deserved the MVP-award for pacing the team to a 67-win season, which is still tied for 6th place all-time. Deal with it!

[IronMexican]

I feel like Kobe should have won it in 2005-2006, not 2006-2007, though. 2006-2007 was a really frustrating season after starting off like 11 over .500

[Findog]

The MVP is for the REGULAR SEASON, not for the playoffs. I agree that he did not play well in the playoffs, but he deserved the MVP-award for pacing the team to a 67-win season, which is still tied for 6th place all-time. Deal with it!

You're arguing with a fucking moronic troll. Everybody knows Dirk was hurt in that series and played anyway, and the 19 and 10 he put up on a hobbled foot isn't terrible. 21 Cunts doesn't deserve to be answered. He'll go away if you don't take the bait.

[Findog]

Kobe's not better than LeBron. They're basically 1A and 1B when it comes to who is the best. They're just about equal at this point, and LeBron will pretty soon take over the mantle due to his much younger age and the fact that his career is still on the upswing. Kobe probably won't start declining for another 2-3 years, but he's peaked.

[Sportstudi]

You're arguing with a fucking moronic troll. Everybody knows Dirk was hurt in that series and played anyway, and the 19 and 10 he put up on a hobbled foot isn't terrible. 21 Cunts doesn't deserve to be answered. He'll go away if you don't take the bait.

Probably you are right. I assume he belongs to the group of people which would vote their favourite player every year for MVP regardless his performance. I wouldn't wonder if he votes for Kobe even he dropped only 15ppg (okay, that's just an example; I know it's unlikely to happen). Those people are not able to respect the performance of other athletes who can play at the same level or even higher than their own favourite. There are also other players on the floor, not only Kobe in that case (although he is a very good player, no doubt about that)...

[sook]

whats up with all this nash hate?

[Obstructed_View]

What in the leastern conference? :rolleyes.
When you do something that only a couple of guys in the history of the NBA have done, and you do it more than once, it makes you great. Nice of you dumbasses to abandon the "Look at his shitty teammates" defense and jump right into the "Kobe plays in a harder conference" crap.


As Kobe said put him in the leastern and see watch how well he can do. Two seasons ago lebron didnt even have a reliable jumpshot and was barely above average in defense, which was why his team was swept in the finals.
Lebron's team went to the finals. That same year Kobe's Lakers lost 4-1 to the Suns in the first round. In the elimination game Kobe scored 34 points on 33 shots, had one assist and six turnovers. That's against a team that can't play defense.


What does that matter? This isnt a job application,
Yeah, it's not about the job you do; it's only an award that's supposed to go to the best player in the league. Apparently being a better player doesn't actually matter, since it was given to Kobe as soon as he had a team loaded with talent that started to actually win.


the fact is Kobe has been a better player then Lebron James.
That's true. Kobe has been a better player than Lebron. Like when Lebron was in high school.


Lebron himself even admitted it, so really you're aiming into thin air.
Considering who I'm aiming at, I have to say you're right about that. :lol


If you're going to list Lebrons accomplishments in the leastern conference, you're arguments will fall on deaf ears to anyone with a brain.
They all play in the NBA. Again, someone with a brain would have a better retort than "leastern conference".


I didnt say Kobe deserved it in 2004, but Lebron certainly didnt deserve it in '07.
Let's hear your explanation of this.


And you're the one who's brought up his deep playoff run and winning without other talent four times already. Take that away and you got nothing.
Yep, you're right again. Take away the playoff runs and winning without talent and you've got Kobe. Lebron had far better numbers last year but Kobe got the award because his team's record was better.


Hey, anyone can make a case for a Nash MVP. Sometimes youre just the best of people who suck.
Shaq and Lebron were great that year. Nash's numbers are artificially inflated and he doesn't play defense. He was the sentimental favorite early, and his name was repeated by mouth-breathers like you. It's the same way Kobe got the award last year.


Anyways, I was just pointing out the stupidity of arguing that you need to win without talent to deserve an MVP.
Again, nobody's suggested that, but it doesn't help the case for Kobe when someone points out that he can't win without talent. Hell, a lot of the time he can't even win with talent.


Take away Timmy's other talent, and he has 0 MVP awards and 0 Championships.
:lmao Duncan's been in the running for MVP every year of his career that he's been healthy. He's also been, unlike Kobe, the best player on ANY championship team he's been on.


Case in point: Spurs 0-3 start even with all-star Tony Parker, including losses to Miami and Milwaukee :lmao. Even Kobe didnt have pathetic starts like that with much less talent.
Yeah, Kobe definitely deserves the first three games of the season MVP. You finally convinced me. :lol

[JamStone]

One of the things that cracks me up is that Duncan has never had the talent around him that Kobe and Nash have, but "experts" and fans often seem to suggest that his success is because of his team.

"Experts and fans" like who? No one (aside from idiot trolls) ever discredits Duncan and him winning due to his team. Even if that ever was an inkling of an argument, it ended with the Spurs 2002-03 title. I think sometimes fans put it in their head that there's a slight to their favorite team or favorite player when there isn't any at all. Duncan is widely recognized as the greatest power forward in the history of the game by "experts" and analysts and peer players and fans of all teams. What should crack you up more is that you even think that anyone has insinuated that Duncan has had success because of his team. He's had very good and even great teammates, but no one (again except for idiot trolls) questions Duncan or his ability to lead a team to success.

[barbacoataco]

Good Point. I guess I take the trolls too seriously.

[Bandwagon Fan]

When you do something that only a couple of guys in the history of the NBA have done, and you do it more than once, it makes you great. Nice of you dumbasses to abandon the "Look at his shitty teammates" defense and jump right into the "Kobe plays in a harder conference" crap.
Dont worry, both arguments work. No need to be picky.

Lebron's team went to the finals. That same year Kobe's Lakers lost 4-1 to the Suns in the first round. In the elimination game Kobe scored 34 points on 33 shots, had one assist and six turnovers. That's against a team that can't play defense.
What arent you getting about this leastern conference concept?



Yeah, it's not about the job you do; it's only an award that's supposed to go to the best player in the league. Apparently being a better player doesn't actually matter, since it was given to Kobe as soon as he had a team loaded with talent that started to actually win.
I agree, because otherwise kobe would have won it much earlier. He's been the best player for awhile.

That's true. Kobe has been a better player than Lebron. Like when Lebron was in high school.
Glad you agree that wasnt past tense.

Considering who I'm aiming at, I have to say you're right about that. :lol
Well it looks like were finding a lot to agree on, your criticisms have been aimed into thin air. Good to hear.

They all play in the NBA. Again, someone with a brain would have a better retort than "leastern conference".
Im not sure why you're disagreeing with facts.

Yep, you're right again. Take away the playoff runs and winning without talent and you've got Kobe. Lebron had far better numbers last year but Kobe got the award because his team's record was better.
Again, this isnt a job application. Lots of people can put up good numbers, MVP's should be all around players.


Shaq and Lebron were great that year. Nash's numbers are artificially inflated and he doesn't play defense. He was the sentimental favorite early, and his name was repeated by mouth-breathers like you. It's the same way Kobe got the award last year.
:lmao Funny because I was talking about Duncan. Glad you agree.



Again, nobody's suggested that, but it doesn't help the case for Kobe when someone points out that he can't win without talent. Hell, a lot of the time he can't even win with talent.
:lmao Man, once again you hand out the punches to Tim Duncan.



Duncan's been in the running for MVP every year of his career that he's been healthy. He's also been, unlike Kobe, the best player on ANY championship team he's been on.
:wakeup And he's also, unlike Kobe, never been considered one of the best players of all time. I think its pretty obvious Timmy was the best player on any championship team, because they could never string a true dynasty together. If there had been someone better maybe the Spurs could have actually had a real dynasty.

As is often stated, Kobe is the best player in the game and will rank among the top 3 or 5 players to ever play basketball. And yes, I know some people are saying Lebron is already better. But Tim Duncan has never and will never be in that discussion. Kobe has just been a better basketball player.


Yeah, Kobe definitely deserves the first three games of the season MVP. You finally convinced me. :lol
Hey, you were the one talking about talent. Take away Timmy's talent, and he fails.