Battier set to return Wednesday

[Kai]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl...kn/6130807.html
Battier set to return

After coming through a tough workout Saturday and a scrimmage Sunday without any setbacks, Rockets forward Shane Battier said he hopes to be ready to play Wednesday night against the Indiana Pacers at Toyota Center.

:downspin:

Hopefully this means Ron to the bench, where he can be most effective on this team.

[IronMexican]

Good to hear SA and Houston are getting healthy.

[IronMexican]

Ron would go crazy coming off the bench. Remember that time he said he deserves props for getting the Kings to 37 wins?

[sook]

Ron would go crazy coming off the bench. Remember that time he said he deserves props for getting the Kings to 37 wins?

I don't think he will

I don't know what happened but the rockets have really begin to gell over the last 4 games.

Anyways, Artest has been quoted saying he would come off the bench if he has to.

[Kai]

Ron has said multiple times that he has absolutely no problem coming off the bench. He will still get about the same minutes he would get if Shane was coming off the bench. He knows Yao is option number one, and thinks Yao is the best player on our team.

[GuerillaBlack]

Artest would not lose any minutes at all (or VERY few) if he came off the bench. He would be best coming off the bench because he brings more offense than Shane.

[Roxsfan]

its about time........

[robbie380]

Yeah, Im sure Ron, who by the way thinks he is the best player on that team would love to go to the bench. Please do this Rick.

you got a quote for that? ron has said over and over again that this is yao and tracy's team (with more emphasis on yao's team). his actions on the court have continued to show this is yao's team since he always gives the ball to yao. don't just spew stuff if you can't back it up.

anyhow...ron is not the headcase on the rockets....our ladyboy tracy will be out for the wednesday game against the pacers since battier is back.

[xtremesteven33]

I still dont think this team will stay healthy and make a serious push deep in the playoffs.

dont get me wrong, if the spurs dont go all the way. Ill be rooting for the Rockets next.

[turiaf for president]

you got a quote for that? ron has said over and over again that this is yao and tracy's team (with more emphasis on yao's team). his actions on the court have continued to show this is yao's team since he always gives the ball to yao. don't just spew stuff if you can't back it up.

anyhow...ron is not the headcase on the rockets....our ladyboy tracy will be out for the wednesday game against the pacers since battier is back.

saying it and playing like it is totally different. u cant possibly say hes been deferring to yao and tmac this year

[robbie380]

saying it and playing like it is totally different. u cant possibly say hes been deferring to yao and tmac this year

have you watched the games?

[mystargtr34]

Artest is taking 13.9 FGA
Yao is taking 12.6 FGA

I cant see Artest coming off the bench.

[mystargtr34]

And by the way Artest is shooting 35% from the field and still taking more shots than Yao.

[turiaf for president]

have you watched the games?

yes i have

artest = dribble dribble shoot, dribble jack up a three.

yao's shooting 93-176
tmac's shooting 79-194
ron's shooting 75-208

in my college educated math brain, that means rons shot 32 more shots than yao and hes only played one game more.

[cze1860]

welcome back，Battier，it‘s a good news for Rockets

[robbie380]

yes i have

artest = dribble dribble shoot, dribble jack up a three.

yao's shooting 93-176
tmac's shooting 79-194
ron's shooting 75-208

in my college educated math brain, that means rons shot 32 more shots than yao and hes only played one game more.

i was trying to find on/off (ex. ron's fga when yao isn't on the court) court shooting stats but couldn't find them. ron is the guy who plays with the 2nd team so he is often trying to create something if brooks can't. artest doesn't pass up yao if yao is posting up. ron looks to get the ball to him. also artest is playing 4 more mpg than yao. i have never got the feeling that artest hogs the ball and tries to not give it to yao...maybe i am being blind so i am trying to find more in depth stats than just fga.

[Indazone]

Batman brings three pt shooting and leadership. He's our glue guy! Welcome back Battier.

[turiaf for president]

there is no better stat that fga to see whos jacking up the most shots. ive seen at least 6-7 games this year. roughly half so far and artest has jacked up ill advised shots, and dribbled the shit outta the ball. he's taking way too many threes and being ineffective on the offensive end. by adding another starter caliber player in battier, artest is going to get less shots in the offense and will force up more ill advised shots than good ones. he has ALWAYS been the focal point of the offense everywhere else. he can say this is yao and tmacs team but he hasnt being playing like it. which is what i said and backed up with the fga stats.

[Indazone]

Artest was not the focal point of the offense with the Pacers when they had Reggie Miller. He will defer when he knows there are a lot of players around him that can flat out ball.

Battier is our Robert Horry

[turiaf for president]

the 2 years he was in indiana with reggie miller, he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team. 15.5 and 18.3 compared to 12.6 and 10.0 for miller. try again. he was the only behind jermaine oneal who was emerging as an allstar. trust me. i followed him since his days at st john. i always loved his energy and his skills but hes always been a ball controlling guy who jacked up shots

[Indazone]

the 2 years he was in indiana with reggie miller, he was the 2nd leading scorer on the team. 15.5 and 18.3 compared to 12.6 and 10.0 for miller. try again. he was the only behind jermaine oneal who was emerging as an allstar. trust me. i followed him since his days at st john. i always loved his energy and his skills but hes always been a ball controlling guy who jacked up shots

Van Gundy said that about him. Artest is a Ball Stopper. Adleman I am sure is working with him to get him to flow better with the offense. I don't mind Artest taking shots as long as they are good ones. I have noticed that Artest is often at the point with the ball. In that role, he has to find the open man and pass the ball.

[Indazone]

Francis is the only other player besides T-Mac now who is injured. I think T-Mac will be back to normal by mid December.

Francis? Lastest from CBS News

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Francis not close to playing: The Sports Xchange notes that Steve Francis (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/139064) (knee surgery) has yet to go through a full practice while rehabilitating after last February's knee surgery.
(Updated 11/13/2008).

Injury ReportKnee - Out indefinitely. Could be out until at least January
(Updated - 11/13/08)

Fantasy Analysis

It will take a while for the Rockets know what Francis can offer as he attempts to return from surgery to repair a torn quadriceps tendon in his right knee. Fantasy owners should not have him on their rosters, but he is a player to keep track of in the hopes that he can revive his career. That will likely have to happen as a reserve, though.
(Updated 11/13/2008).


G Steve Francis (knee surgery) has yet to go through a full practice while rehabilitating after last February's knee surgery. 11/24/2008


January! Ouch I hope he can show something before then.

[robbie380]

there is no better stat that fga to see whos jacking up the most shots. ive seen at least 6-7 games this year. roughly half so far and artest has jacked up ill advised shots, and dribbled the shit outta the ball. he's taking way too many threes and being ineffective on the offensive end. by adding another starter caliber player in battier, artest is going to get less shots in the offense and will force up more ill advised shots than good ones. he has ALWAYS been the focal point of the offense everywhere else. he can say this is yao and tmacs team but he hasnt being playing like it. which is what i said and backed up with the fga stats.

if you adjust the fga/g per 48 min then you have yao at 17.25 fga/g and artest at 17.1 fga/g. then add in the fta/g adjusted per 48 min and you have yao at 7.8 fta/g artest at 4.8 fta/g.

i have felt that recently most of the 3's he has taken have for the most part been in the flow of the offense and when he is squared up to the basket. fwiw he is shooting 38% from 3pt land. he doesn't have a quick first step or true ability to create off the dribble but when i watch the games he seems like he is trying to do stuff in the flow of what adelman's should be. he is still trying to find his place on offense so i am giving him time and i feel his 2pt% will come around...right now he is about 12% below his 2pt fg% from the past 2 seasons and about 10% below his career 2pt%.

also you act as if yao is not getting touches due to artest. yao is without question the first option. this poster on clutchfans has been keeping track of yao's touches the past 4 games and it is pretty cool. he is averaging about 34 touches a game in the past 4.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157788&highlight=yao%27s+touches thunder game 25 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158039&highlight=yao%27s+touches wizards game 33 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158039&highlight=yao%27s+touches orlando game 33 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158168&highlight=yao%27s+touches heat game 46 touches

[robbie380]

Francis is the only other player besides T-Mac now who is injured. I think T-Mac will be back to normal by mid December.

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Francis not close to playing: The Sports Xchange notes that Steve Francis (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/139064) (knee surgery) has yet to go through a full practice while rehabilitating after last February's knee surgery.
(Updated 11/13/2008).

Injury ReportKnee - Out indefinitely. Could be out until at least January
(Updated - 11/13/08)

Fantasy Analysis

It will take a while for the Rockets know what Francis can offer as he attempts to return from surgery to repair a torn quadriceps tendon in his right knee. Fantasy owners should not have him on their rosters, but he is a player to keep track of in the hopes that he can revive his career. That will likely have to happen as a reserve, though.
(Updated 11/13/2008).


G Steve Francis (knee surgery) has yet to go through a full practice while rehabilitating after last February's knee surgery. 11/24/2008


January! Ouch I hope he can show something before then.

he is done. i googled the rehab on this procedure awhile back and it is not good when it takes this long. further he delayed the procedure for a long time after sustaining the injury which really hurts the chances of full recovery.

http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/TOPIC274.HTM

Ruptures of the quadriceps tendon occur relatively infrequently and usually occur in patients older than 40 years. A strong association exists with numerous systemic diseases and prior degenerative changes in the knee extensor mechanism. Ruptures most often occur unilaterally. Bilateral ruptures are highly correlated with systemic disease but have been reported in healthy patients who do not have predisposing factors.

Patellar tendon ruptures are less common than are quadriceps ruptures and tend to occur in patients younger than 40 years. In rare cases, partial ruptures of the quadriceps tendon are seen in young athletes with end-stage jumper's knee. Jumper's knee usually involves the patellar tendon, although in 25% of cases, the quadriceps is involved. To obtain the best results, the early diagnosis and repair of complete quadriceps ruptures are essential. If intervention is delayed, repair is more difficult and results may be compromised.

[Indazone]

lot of Rockets fans hope you are wrong but I'll admit, not good. By the way he had a 70% rupture rather than a complete rupture. So there's still hope.

[turiaf for president]

if you adjust the fga/g per 48 min then you have yao at 17.25 fga/g and artest at 17.1 fga/g. then add in the fta/g adjusted per 48 min and you have yao at 7.8 fta/g artest at 4.8 fta/g.

i have felt that recently most of the 3's he has taken have for the most part been in the flow of the offense and when he is squared up to the basket. fwiw he is shooting 38% from 3pt land. he doesn't have a quick first step or true ability to create off the dribble but when i watch the games he seems like he is trying to do stuff in the flow of what adelman's should be. he is still trying to find his place on offense so i am giving him time and i feel his 2pt% will come around...right now he is about 12% below his 2pt fg% from the past 2 seasons and about 10% below his career 2pt%.

also you act as if yao is not getting touches due to artest. yao is without question the first option. this poster on clutchfans has been keeping track of yao's touches the past 4 games and it is pretty cool. he is averaging about 34 touches a game in the past 4.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157788&highlight=yao%27s+touches thunder game 25 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158039&highlight=yao%27s+touches wizards game 33 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158039&highlight=yao%27s+touches orlando game 33 touches

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=158168&highlight=yao%27s+touches heat game 46 touches

34 touches in what 100 possession? when have i ever said yao doesnt get any shots?

my point was artest jackin up shots takes more shots away from yao. should a career 42% shooter be taking the same amount as a 7'6" guy? hell fuckin no. yao is averaging 12 shots a game???? he should be getting 20-25 a game at his size. the heat game is what the rockets should be doing. 46 touches for yao should be each and every game.

again my response was that artest has always been the focal point of an offense and for him to be a 4th option behind tmac battier and yao isnt going to work. he says this is yao and tmacs team but his actions and stats show otherwise.

[Indazone]

Well that's easy. If you don't want Artest dominating the ball, he comes off the bench when T-Mac needs a rest or Battier comes out.

[Tmac&Luther]

The least of our problems is asking Artest to come off the bench. Our coach knows the game plan, our G.M. knows the plan, our team knows the plan, our announcers know the plan, and.......Ron Artest already knows what's up. He actually enjoys playing with the 2nd unit...he get's more freedom. Adelman has already been playing him a big chunk on of minutes with the 2nd unit right now to get him used to those players.....because like I said, everybody and their mother (Ron included) knows he's coming off the bench when this team is healthy. He's going to come off the bench, but with starters minutes and he's not going to bitch about it, because he's not Lamar Odom.

Also posting Ron's shot attempt totals is completely meaningless....Ron plays more minutes than any other player on the team and most of his shot attemps come when some of the reserves start coming in.