Russian Analyst Predicts Decline And Breakup Of Usa

[clubalien]

RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm

[clambake]

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

i hope them eskimos like vodka!

[The Reckoning]

Texas, where independence movements are on the rise

:makemyday


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seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot. we base our nationalism on ideals, not ethnicity (unlike russia). as to the economy, americans should start reading john locke again. why arent his ideas taught in public schools????

[Spur-Addict]

:makemyday


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seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot. we base our nationalism on ideals, not ethnicity (unlike russia). as to the economy, americans should start reading john locke again. why arent his ideas taught in public schools????

I haven't seen much Philosophy in high schools or lower, it seems as though it's a rariety.

[boutons_]

"seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot"

10s of Ms are primarily "nativist", anti-immigration, you know, pitbull bitch's "real Americans", like the lilly white country club Repug national convention.

[Twisted_Dawg]

RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA


Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm

Where has this stupid fucker been hiding???? In the early 1980's there was no debt???? We have had debt since Alexander Hamilton conned us into it. And least this idiot forget, it was Reagan's massive defense spending that bankrupted the USSR. And with that spending came mountains and mountains of debt in the 1980's.

And guess what?? We go down and there is no mass consumer base to buy all that shit made in China. And no jobs to be exported to India. Let's see how those two giants can do without the USA financing their growth.

And now that oil has fallen from $147 per barrel in Aug 2008 to $50 per barrel in Nov 2008, lets see how well the Russian economy does. They are an inch away from defaulting on loans.......and of course our financial guys are in bed with them on CDO's.

[chode_regulator]

Where has this stupid fucker been hiding???? In the early 1980's there was no debt???? We have had debt since Alexander Hamilton conned us into it. And least this idiot forget, it was Reagan's massive defense spending that bankrupted the USSR. And with that spending came mountains and mountains of debt in the 1980's.

And guess what?? We go down and there is no mass consumer base to buy all that shit made in China. And no jobs to be exported to India. Let's see how those two giants can do without the USA financing their growth.

And now that oil has fallen from $147 per barrel in Aug 2008 to $50 per barrel in Nov 2008, lets see how well the Russian economy does. They are an inch away from defaulting on loans.......and of course our financial guys are in bed with them on CDO's.


sums it up. as if russia is better off than america in anyway shape or form.

russia as a regulator of anything? :lol

on the other hand, i always kinda wondered if the downfall of america would happen in my life or not. kinda similar to all the previous empires that have fallen, it has to happen to some gerneration right? always been kinda curious as to what it would be like to go through something like that.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm guessing it would be rather sucky. :D

[MannyIsGod]

lol russians.

[boutons_]

"it was Reagan's massive defense spending that bankrupted the USSR"

hmm, not so simple, or even accurate. That's the bullshit PR line from St. Ronnie devotees and his Repug hagiographers and revisionists.

Russia was financing their quagmire in Afghanistan with hard dollars from high oil prices after the Iranian oil shock. When that shock pushed the world into recession, reduced demand, and into oil conservation, the price of oil plummeted, robbing Russia of hard currency and essentially bankrupting the Russian empire.

St Ronnie's military buildup and "tear that wall down" were bullshit. Robert Gates, yes, that Gates, at CIA started to compromise the intelligence away from hard facts towards "facts" that fit WH political agenda.

The CIA, if they knew, couldn't say the Russians were essentially bankrupt and ready to collapse since that would have removed the justification of Ronnie's subsidization of the MIC with his unnecessary buildup.

George Tenet "fixing up the intel" to justify Iraq invasion was just following in Gates' footsteps.

[PixelPusher]

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm

vast reserves of what? American I.O.U.s?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It's silly to take any kind of study based out of Russia as anything more than food for thought. Russia is a chinese finger trap on every citizen's dick, and what's more perverted, the majority of them seem to like it....as if it will lead to some future reincarnation of The Great Mother Russia.

I'm starting to believe pompousness and a false sense of superiority is simply a genetic trait of Russian people that became passed onto them from the dominant class of medieval Moscovy.

Their view on the world is basically like Aggies to Longhorns. They exist only to scoff us.

And if the US did break apart, Russia would be a major influence in the world, but West Europe (sans Germany) would consolidate power in the Mediterranean to counterbalance any influence a Russia-Iran-China bloc would deliver. Hence Sarkozy anouncing intentions to create a Mediterranean Union.

[anakha]

In related news, Professor Igor Panarin has confirmed that he posts on the SpursTalk message board under the moniker 'SpursDynasty'.

[Wild Cobra]

RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA


Well, it could happen, but we are no where close. It would still take a very long time.

I see it as Russian propaganda. Probably not even supported widely by his peers.

[DarkReign]

In related news, Professor Igor Panarin has confirmed that he posts on the SpursTalk message board under the moniker 'SpursDynasty'.

:lmao

[Extra Stout]

When that shock pushed the world into recession, reduced demand, and into oil conservation, the price of oil plummeted, robbing Russia of hard currency and essentially bankrupting the Russian empire.
Reagan convinced the Saudis that the Soviets were a threat, and that OPEC should open the spigots wide to make the price of oil collapse. He did so even over the virulent objections of Alexander Haig and George Bush, who flew to Riyadh to plead with the Saudis to defy Reagan. Bush feared Reagan's plan would decimate the Texas economy. When Haig and Bush arrived back in Washington, Reagan aides were ready to escort them to the Oval Office, where the President relieved Bush of his testicles, and Haig of his job.

The Saudis and OPEC followed the President's plan. The price of oil collapsed, the Soviets were starved for money, and Texas went through an economic depression.

[Extra Stout]

Their view on the world is basically like Aggies to Longhorns. They exist only to scoff us.
The height of the Soviet Union was the apogee of Russian power in history. The Russians would like to get back to a place where they matter again, rather than being a semi-developed backward nation with a steeply declining population and an economy that rises and falls with the price of oil. A big part of that nostalgia is wrapped up in stirring up a rivalry with the U.S. They will misbehave on the international scene simply for the attention, as a child does.

Russian "scientists" like to engage in a mixture of false bravado and wishful thinking, where they come up with such whoppers as "The U.S. is about to collapse," or "Oil comes from the earth's core rather than dead plant matter."

I sometimes wonder if the cranks who live in Alaska, and in rural parts of the Pacific Northwest between the Cascades and the Rockies, have a lot of Russian ancestry. The rhetoric is analogous.

[Anti.Hero]

How could we remain numero uno when we have thieves and magicians running the country.

Couldn't even outlast Rome. Granted the technology speeds things up.

[DarkReign]

How could we remain numero uno when we have thieves and magicians running the country.

Couldn't even outlast Rome. Granted the technology speeds things up.

Name one unquestioned world power that lasted longer than Rome.

Thats right. None. Rome was/is the pinnacle of (known) world dominance. Maybe Alexander and his Great Campaign but it lasted no longer than his short life, so I dont count it.

[cool hand]

Fuck that dude.

[cool hand]

......but he does have a point.

[Nbadan]

Forget Reagan.....looks like its Gorby getting the last laugh after all..

[Extra Stout]

Name one unquestioned world power that lasted longer than Rome.

Thats right. None. Rome was/is the pinnacle of (known) world dominance. Maybe Alexander and his Great Campaign but it lasted no longer than his short life, so I dont count it.
Confucius say, Westerner think world end at tip of his nose.

[RandomGuy]

Russian "scientists" like to engage in a mixture of false bravado and wishful thinking, where they come up with such whoppers as "The U.S. is about to collapse," or "Oil comes from the earth's core rather than dead plant matter."

Don't forget about the dude with the magic water. Russian "science" has produced a good share of total quacks, and doesn't seem to be doing much better these days than it did in the Soviet era.

[RandomGuy]

Confucius say, Westerner think world end at tip of his nose.

Cheeky monkey. Good one.

[Anti.Hero]

fuck that. Let the ultra-libs strangle the country to death. Texas should gtfo and find its balls again.

I would love to watch from a distance as they govern the way they want to without as many sheeple being forced to foot the bill.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't forget about the dude with the magic water. Russian "science" has produced a good share of total quacks, and doesn't seem to be doing much better these days than it did in the Soviet era.

I wondering if it's the same 'magic water' that I've done some minor research on.

First of all, there are two stable isotopes of hydrogen and three stable isotopes of oxygen. That makes for 9 different water molecules by isotope mix. It goes deeper than that...

Atoms have orbit pairs. Each orbit has two electrons, but at different quantum states. Without going into detail, there are now 30 different water molecules in nature, but 27 different quantum energy levels. If I remembered a good online source, I would link it. There is some rather interesting scientific facts behind the notion. The different bonding orbits are explained in MO Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_orbital_theory). The wiki link is surprisingly lacking on the subject. Maybe I should update it with the references I have. Here is a better link (http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch8/mo.html), but not much better. Now I'm curious about the subject again.

The bottom line is that we know that isotopes have some biological effects, but little research is done in the area. Heavy water for example is harmless until you exceed a certain body percentage of it. It becomes toxic to the body. Some people think that if you could remove all the deuterium from water and have specific orbital energies between the hydrogen and oxygen, that it is a far healthier water. Considering that heavy water is proven harmful, it is reasonable to assume removing all of it can be benificial. There are also three different orbital energies in water. The devices sold to make this water, at best, simply increase the quantity of the higher energy water by rearranging the bonding of the atoms. That doesn't necessarily make it better alone. It cannot make it in any decent quantity of the ‘enriched’ water. It still has the undesireable water in it that is very hard to remove without serious money. There might be a use or theory for a specific isotopes of oxygen in the H2O formulation, but I haven't read anywhere on that one. It seems that removing all deuterium atoms and maximizing MO energies are the key.

[Wild Cobra]

Here are some links that go farther into detail about MO theory:

An Introduction to the Electronic Structure of Atoms and Molecules (http://www.chemistry.mcmaster.ca/esam/Chapter_8/section_6.html)

Introduction to Molecular Orbital Theory (http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/vchemlib/course/mo_theory/main.html)

[RandomGuy]

I wondering if it's the same 'magic water' that I've done some minor research on.

First of all, there are two stable isotopes of hydrogen and three stable isotopes of oxygen. That makes for 9 different water molecules by isotope mix. It goes deeper than that...

Atoms have orbit pairs. Each orbit has two electrons, but at different quantum states. Without going into detail, there are now 30 different water molecules in nature, but 27 different quantum energy levels. If I remembered a good online source, I would link it. There is some rather interesting scientific facts behind the notion. The different bonding orbits are explained in MO Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_orbital_theory). The wiki link is surprisingly lacking on the subject. Maybe I should update it with the references I have. Here is a better link (http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch8/mo.html), but not much better. Now I'm curious about the subject again.

The bottom line is that we know that isotopes have some biological effects, but little research is done in the area. Heavy water for example is harmless until you exceed a certain body percentage of it. It becomes toxic to the body. Some people think that if you could remove all the deuterium from water and have specific orbital energies between the hydrogen and oxygen, that it is a far healthier water. Considering that heavy water is proven harmful, it is reasonable to assume removing all of it can be benificial. There are also three different orbital energies in water. The devices sold to make this water, at best, simply increase the quantity of the higher energy water by rearranging the bonding of the atoms. That doesn't necessarily make it better alone. It cannot make it in any decent quantity of the ‘enriched’ water. It still has the undesireable water in it that is very hard to remove without serious money. There might be a use or theory for a specific isotopes of oxygen in the H2O formulation, but I haven't read anywhere on that one. It seems that removing all deuterium atoms and maximizing MO energies are the key.

No, this was the kind of magic water that, according to the guy who was "studying"/selling it, lost all of its special properties the second it was subjected to outside scientific testing. This is a major red flag that indicates a total hoax.

I forget exactly what the guy was claiming the water did, but I do remember that when the water was analyzed by western scientists and found to be ordinary water, the guy who was selling/promoting it simply claimed that the second a non-believer touched it, the special properties were dissapated by the energy of the non-believer.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-07/dangerous.html

I think the above article provides some detail.


In the 1980s, for example, Chumak and Kashpirovsky forced their way onto television in spite of the fact that during those years TV was controlled by the state! This means that paranormalists have appeared on TV with the consent of the supreme officials. These officials might wish to know at least that Mr. Chumak is not original. His trick with "charging" water was unmasked in the beginning of the twentieth century by American physicist Robert Wood.

It is worth mentioning the sad fact that Mr. Kashpirovsky pushed his ideas on members of the state Duma, and Mr. Chumak also has tried to do this

http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/russia/030422.htm

Moscow - Alan Chumak gets a charge out of television

St. Irinaeus of Lyon Center for Religious Research, December 28, 2003


On Monday, December 22, Professor Alexander Leonidovich Dvorkin was invited to take part in the filming of the "Short Circuit" television talk show, which is to be broadcast on RTR January 15, 2004 at 11:50 a.m. The professor's opponent in the studio was Alan Chumak, who was quite well-known in the early 1990s when he had nearly half the population of the country in front of their television sets.

People would place containers of cream and water in front of the television screens waiting for them to be "charged" with his healing "energy". Sometimes Mr. Chumak "charged" entire newspapers with his energy and assure everyone who bought a newspaper with his photo would be healed of any disease.

At the beginning of the program Mr. Chumak proclaimed that his "energy" was registered by scientific machines and thus it is a proven phenomenon, even copyrighted by him. In the course of the discussion in the studio, however, professor Dvorkin managed to cogently demonstrate the complete groundlessness of Mr. Chumak's charlatanical claims, in a manner so as to serve as an effective counter-advertisement for further incidences of his "extrasense".

It was obvious that Chumak realized this himself, because when the cameras were cut off and the participants stood to leave the studio, he fell upon Professor Dvorkin with clenched fists and tried to strike him in the face. The professor avoided the blow, stood off at a safe distance and asked the furious "healer" why he did not try using "extrasensory methods" for an effective strike. Did he not claim just minutes before that he could do everything he wanted with his phenomenal energy, including influencing the bodily functions of every living creature?

"Those methods don't work on scum like you! You need to be physically eliminated!" came the answer. This was clear evidence that Chumak himself does not at all believe in his methods or in the effectiveness of his "energy", with which he "charges" various liquids, but instead considers his actions no more than a profitable business, founded on making fools of unsuspecting people.

[Extra Stout]

http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-07/dangerous.html

I think the above article provides some detail.



http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/russia/030422.htm

Moscow - Alan Chumak gets a charge out of television

St. Irinaeus of Lyon Center for Religious Research, December 28, 2003
Sounds like the Russian version of Benny Hinn.

[RandomGuy]

Sounds like the Russian version of Benny Hinn.

In Russia they sell magic water, in the US they sell magic building demolition theories via coffe cups and t-shirts. ;)