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timvp
12-02-2008, 04:36 AM
Riding a four-game winning streak and the euphoria of having all their players healthy, the San Antonio Spurs went to Houston and had it all come crumbling down against the Rockets. The Rockets put the Spurs in a big hole and after the Spurs made a run, Houston finished the Spurs off with a run of their own.

In the third quarter, the Spurs cut the lead to two points when Tony Parker hit Roger Mason, Jr. for a layup. But following misses by Parker, Finley and Duncan, the Rockets went on a 24-12 run to close the quarter. In the fourth, the Spurs never could make it a game and the Rockets went on to win by a final score of 103-84.

Compared to the last time the two teams played, the Rockets were much more impressive. Their chemistry seems to be slowly coming together after their offseason moves. Even more importantly, their effort was off the charts and they were the much more physical team in the paint.

Overall, the Spurs just didn’t have it on this night. The activity level was low and it appeared that fatigue was an issue. Each member of the Big Three had a sub par game and the defense on a whole was poor.

Tim Duncan
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29 minutes, 17 points, nine rebounds, two blocks
6-for-18 from the field, 5-for-6 at the line

Tim Duncan had a game to forget on Saturday night against the Rockets. Offensively, Duncan missed a lot of shots he usually makes and compounded the issue by taking a number of questionable shots after getting frustrated. The Rockets deserve some credit for paying a lot of attention to him but Duncan wasn’t playing his usual smart game on the offensive end. On the defensive end, Duncan was decent. He bodied up Yao Ming well and his defensive rotations were mostly on time. After starting the season with ten straight games with at least 19 points, he has reached that mark only once in his last six games. Duncan will no doubt bounce back but he has definitely cooled off offensively in the last couple of weeks.
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Manu Ginobili
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22 minutes, 11 points, three rebounds, two assists, five turnovers
2-for-6 from the field, 1-for-4 on three-pointers, 6-for-6 at the line

Manu Ginobili returned to the court with two virtually flawless performances. His third outing saw him come back down to earth. Ginobili forced the issue much more than he did in his first two games and as a result had five turnovers in the game. He also looked a bit fatigued, which is understandable this earlier in his return - especially considering the fact that it was the second night of a back-to-back. I guess Ginobili is human, after all.
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Tony Parker
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27 minutes, 15 points, 7 assists, four rebounds
5-for-12 from the field, 5-for-8 at the line

Back in the starting lineup for the first time since spraining his ankle, Tony Parker didn’t play too well. Like Ginobili, Parker struggled with trying to make plays when they simply weren’t there. He was statistically productive offensively but he didn’t do a good job of playing within the flow of the offense. Defensively, Parker could have given more effort in terms of pressuring the opposing point guard.
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Roger Mason, Jr.
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22 minutes, eight points, three rebounds, two assists
4-for-7 from the field, 0-for-1 on three-pointers

Roger Mason, Jr. was one of the few Spurs who played somewhat well. Offensively, Mason played a controlled game and didn’t force the issue. Even though he wasn’t getting as many open looks as usual, he found ways to contribute. Defensively, he’s still a work in progress and had a number of mistakes on that end of the court against the Rockets. With Ginobili and Parker back in the mix, Mason will need to play harder and smarter defensively to keep playing 30+ minutes per game.
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Michael Finley
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22 minutes, five points, two rebounds
2-for-4 from the field, 1-for-3 on three-pointers

Michael Finley started at the small forward spot and played reasonably well. He didn’t help out too much offensively but his perimeter defense was again better than expected. When matched up against Ron Artest, he moved his feet and forced Artest into a few difficult looks. That said, Finley didn’t rotate quickly enough on switches and got pushed around under the basket when trying to box out. It will interesting to see if Finley keeps his level of play high enough to keep his spot in the starting lineup going forward.
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Fabricio Oberto
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16 minutes, two points, two rebounds, two assists
1-for-2 from the field

Same song, different verse. Fabricio Oberto did all the small things but didn’t help with regards to the big things. One defensive rebound in 16 minutes is inexcusable for a starting center. Two points when the Rockets were leaving him open most of the game also isn’t providing enough help. His passing and screens again were impressive but the Spurs need more from the bigman starting next to Duncan. He has now played 14 games this season and he has yet to score more than six points in a game and the only contest in which he had at least six rebounds was against the small bigmen of the New York Knicks.
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George Hill
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24 minutes, three points, two rebounds, one assist
1-for-8 from the field, 1-for-2 at the line

After five straight impressive outings, George Hill stumbled against Houston. He reverted back to his passive offensive play of earlier in the season. He didn’t attack nearly enough and instead played a part in bogging down the offense. Hill’s usual stellar defensive effort also was missing in action, as he spent most of the time reacting instead of causing havoc. Since he’s a rookie, it’s not surprising that he’ll have these types of slipups every now and again. Hopefully they will become more distant as the season progresses.
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Matt Bonner
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22 minutes, 17 points, five rebounds
6-for-7 from the field, 3-for-4 on three-pointers, 2-for-2 at the line

Matt Bonner was unquestionably the best player on the Spurs. He shot with tons of confidence and hit all but one of his seven attempts. Defensively, he was again impressive and was one of the few players who matched the physicality of the Rockets. When Bonner plays with energy and without a conscious, he’s actually a good basketball player. In his last nine games, Bonner is averaging 9.2 points and 4 rebounds in 19.6 minutes per game, while shooting 57.9% from the field and 58.3% on three-pointers.
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Bruce Bowen
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22 minutes, two points
1-for-3 from the field, 0-for-1 on three-pointers

Bruce Bowen had a decent defensive showing but he lacked his typical energy. If Bowen is going to be a useful bench player, he has to step on the court and immediately be playing with his normal boundless energy. Against the Rockets, he didn’t do that. Offensively, Bowen remains in the midst of a shooting slump.
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Kurt Thomas
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15 minutes, three rebounds, one block
0-for-2 from the field

Kurt Thomas wasn’t able to build upon his previous two strong games. Against the Rockets, Thomas played decent defense on individual matchups but his help defense was non-existent. He was sometimes a step slow, other times he didn’t go to help at all. On the opposite end, Thomas missed both of his shots and didn’t help much of the offensive glass even though Houston let him free to roam much of the night.
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Ime Udoka
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ten minutes, two points, two rebounds
1-for-3 from the field, 0-for-1 on three-pointers

It’s difficult to figure out why Ime Udoka is struggling defensively. His team defense is good enough but he’s nowhere as good in one-on-one scenarios as he was last season. Out on the perimeter, players are able to drive passed him. On the low block, Udoka’s physical strength isn’t as overwhelming as it was last season. I’m not sure if Udoka has lost a step or if he’s just out of defensive rhythm.
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Anthony Tolliver
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ten minutes, three rebounds
0-for-4 from the field, 0-for-3 on three-pointers

On one side of the coin, it was good to see Anthony Tolliver able to handle his own on the boards against the rough and rugged bigmen of Houston. On the other side of the coin, his inability to shoot has to be worrisome at this point. He’s now only 6-for-28 on three-pointers in the regular season after struggling mightily in the preseason from long range. Without three-point marksmanship, it’s tough to imagine Tolliver as an NBA player.
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Gregg Popovich
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The Spurs played poorly against the Rockets but Pop didn’t exactly help out. First of all, how does Bonner only play 22 minutes? At the start of the fourth quarter, Bonner should have been out there with Duncan trying to make one final run. I also thought Mason should have played more. Even if he’s struggling on defense, he had a pulse offensively -- unlike the majority of the other perimeter players. Playing him a season low 22 minutes didn’t make much sense. The best thing Pop did on the night was calling off the dogs early and not playing Duncan more than 30 minutes.

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Offense

The offense rarely clicked on Saturday night. The Spurs shot 37.7% from the field and hit only 5-of-17 three-pointers. They also had less assists (18) and more turnovers (14) than usual. Instead of playing as a cohesive unit, it appeared as if each player took turns trying to carry the offense on their own shoulders. With as physical as the Rockets were down low, the Spurs also could have gotten more than 27 free throw attempts if they took it strong to the cup more often.

Defense

The defense wasn’t good at all. Allowing the Rockets to score 103 points without the services of Tracy McGrady is unacceptable. The Rockets shot 48.1% from the field and it was even worse than that number appears. Houston missed a number of open three-point looks and if you go solely on two-pointers, the Rockets shot 54.1%. Any time the Rockets swung the ball from one side of the court to the other, they ended up getting a wide open shot. The good news on the night on the defensive end was that the Spurs were very impressive on the boards, giving up only three offensive rebounds. Even though it seems like the Spurs haven’t rebounded too well this season, they are actually ranked first in the NBA in defensive rebounding percentage.

Drive to Five

The Rockets game was the first contest in a stretch of difficult opponents. On Tuesday, the Spurs will host the Detroit Pistons. The Pistons are desperate for wins and the Spurs are still trying to figure out the pieces to their puzzle. Without a much better effort than San Antonio gave against Houston, Detroit is going to be hard to beat. Hopefully the two days of rest and the friendly confines of the AT&T Center give the Spurs the juice to get back on the winning track.

Believe.

timtonymanu
12-02-2008, 04:46 AM
good analysis. Besides Bonner, everyone was accountable for the loss even Pop. Hopefully they redeem themselves against Detroit.

Manu-of-steel
12-02-2008, 05:00 AM
thanks timvp. i thought this game will be much easier than the first meeting when the spurs beat the rockets. i was dead wrong. from your analysis, the spurs were simply outworked by the rockets-which could be due to fatigue in back-to-back games..

Obstructed_View
12-02-2008, 05:32 AM
Even though it seems like the Spurs haven’t rebounded too well this season, they are actually ranked first in the NBA in defensive rebounding percentage.

Wow. I'd have never guessed that.

Charles Sappa
12-02-2008, 05:51 AM
Brillian post-game analisys timvp. Too many games for Parker and Manu. That's it...

Greetings from Argentina

timvp
12-02-2008, 06:08 AM
Wow. I'd have never guessed that.
Yeah, me neither. But I guess being a fan of the best rebounding team in the history of the NBA has made Spurs Fan a perfectionist in that area.

Popo>Phil
12-02-2008, 06:59 AM
The first time Houston scores 100+ against spurs since 2001~

mrspurs
12-02-2008, 07:56 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets. Very big stat. And his 5 turnovers are compared to the Rockets team of 7. Thats one thing about Manu, if he isnt playing well, he will hurt the team night in and night out with his turnovers.(reminds me of Romo). Thank God for Roger Mason. Now when Manu is having a bad game and begins to turn into a turnover machine. Pop can yank him and still have Roger and TP and Hill making plays while not playing like a wild horse just kicking the heck out of everything in site. To much damage to the barn and the corral when Manu is running wild.

Mr.Bottomtooth
12-02-2008, 07:59 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets.

Read that again.

BG_Spurs_Fan
12-02-2008, 08:13 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets. Very big stat. And his 5 turnovers are compared to the Rockets team of 7. Thats one thing about Manu, if he isnt playing well, he will hurt the team night in and night out with his turnovers.(reminds me of Romo). Thank God for Roger Mason. Now when Manu is having a bad game and begins to turn into a turnover machine. Pop can yank him and still have Roger and TP and Hill making plays while not playing like a wild horse just kicking the heck out of everything in site. To much damage to the barn and the corral when Manu is running wild.

Wow so the Rockets are able to make 5-point plays off turnovers? Damn! That's a proper Chuck Norris one.

mrspurs
12-02-2008, 08:28 AM
Wow so the Rockets are able to make 5-point plays off turnovers? Damn! That's a proper Chuck Norris one.

More like Bruce Lee.

benefactor
12-02-2008, 09:26 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets. Very big stat. And his 5 turnovers are compared to the Rockets team of 7. Thats one thing about Manu, if he isnt playing well, he will hurt the team night in and night out with his turnovers.(reminds me of Romo). Thank God for Roger Mason. Now when Manu is having a bad game and begins to turn into a turnover machine. Pop can yank him and still have Roger and TP and Hill making plays while not playing like a wild horse just kicking the heck out of everything in site. To much damage to the barn and the corral when Manu is running wild.
You just compared Manu to Tony Romo. If you had any credibility left, it is surely gone now.

urunobili
12-02-2008, 09:28 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets

You are starting to need a break out of the keyboard.. for real.... do us a favor and think before you type... i know it's exiting but excess will play against you... :wakeup

MaNuMaNiAc
12-02-2008, 09:31 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets. Very big stat. And his 5 turnovers are compared to the Rockets team of 7. Thats one thing about Manu, if he isnt playing well, he will hurt the team night in and night out with his turnovers.(reminds me of Romo). Thank God for Roger Mason. Now when Manu is having a bad game and begins to turn into a turnover machine. Pop can yank him and still have Roger and TP and Hill making plays while not playing like a wild horse just kicking the heck out of everything in site. To much damage to the barn and the corral when Manu is running wild.

Ever get tired of sounding like an idiot? Tony Romo?? seriously?

Your blind hate for the man is showing bitch, rill it in.

sonic21
12-02-2008, 09:33 AM
Manus 5 turnovers=24 points for the Rockets.

:wow

so after each turnovers, the rockets have made a (almost) 5 points play.
:rolleyes

SenorSpur
12-02-2008, 09:53 AM
Sound analysis - as always.

Don't know why Oberto isn't catching more heat for his ineffectiveness. There poor performances by Fab are becoming more the norm than the exception. I remember Rasho getting "roasted" on this board on a regular basis whenever he had such poor outings.

jman3000
12-02-2008, 10:03 AM
what killed me the most was when Parker was taking what seemed like forced jumpshots relatively early in the shot clock in the 1st quarter. The game was still close and the long rebounds allowed the rockets to take the ball running. I believe he did that 3 times in a row if im not mistaken and was 1/4 on them total. They killed offensive fluidity and allowed Houston to jump ahead early.

and those times manu tried to split the defense and just turned the ball over made me want to punch something. he did it during a rally and it absolutely killed it by giving the Rockets 2 easy points.

these are things you live and die with... but they happened so often to the point it was aggravating.

Dex
12-02-2008, 11:09 AM
Yeah, me neither. But I guess being a fan of the best rebounding team in the history of the NBA has made Spurs Fan a perfectionist in that area.

I was honestly surprised when I found out that we lead the league in that category as well last year. To me, it seems like we're constantly getting outbullied on the boards or tipping out opponent misses back into their hands.

If this is what it's like to be the best rebounding team, I can't even imagine how frustrating it is to be the worst. :lol

Manufan909
12-02-2008, 01:00 PM
Sound analysis - as always.

Don't know why Oberto isn't catching more heat for his ineffectiveness. There poor performances by Fab are becoming more the norm than the exception. I remember Rasho getting "roasted" on this board on a regular basis whenever he had such poor outings.

I think Bonner should start now, Fab has done nothing to earn his spot, he is playing like ass.

He hasn't had one nice game this season, Bonner has had like 7. And Pop needs to learn how to be fucking consistent, when Bonner sucks, he doesn't play, but when he is on fire, he only gets 22 min!?!

I'm assuming he's trying to play Fab back into game shape, but fuck, he's the worst big right now. Even Toll is better, I'd rather have Toll bricking than Fab being fucking nonexistent.

Manufan909
12-02-2008, 01:02 PM
I was honestly surprised when I found out that we lead the league in that category as well last year. To me, it seems like we're constantly getting outbullied on the boards or tipping out opponent misses back into their hands.

If this is what it's like to be the best rebounding team, I can't even imagine how frustrating it is to be the worst. :lol

That's what the Spurs get, since they're the worst O rebound team. They need to find a team that's top ten in both, and try to emulate them.

But that didn't work when Pop tried to add some defensive schemes the Celtics used, so maybe they should stick with what works.

Dex
12-02-2008, 01:33 PM
That's what the Spurs get, since they're the worst O rebound team. They need to find a team that's top ten in both, and try to emulate them.

But that didn't work when Pop tried to add some defensive schemes the Celtics used, so maybe they should stick with what works.

Spurs will always be a bad offensive rebounding team under Pop because he prefers for them to get back as opposed to crashing the boards. Unless you are in the vicinity of the basket and direction of the ball, you better be hustling back across the midline.

Definitely sucks to miss the second chances, but it is also one of the reasons the Spurs have been consistent defensively over the past 10 years.