Sources: Warriors Already Regretting Maggette Signing

[Spurs Brazil]

Corey Maggette is averaging 19.7 points per game, but his somewhat selfish play hasn't gone unnoticed by other players.

According to sources, after the final buzzer against Boston, Kevin Garnett turned to Maggette and shouted, "Way to get your numbers."

"He just puts his head down and goes to the basket," an Eastern Conference scout said. "He doesn't even look to pass."

Team sources tell SI that the Warriors are already regretting signing Maggette to a five-year, $50 million deal last offseason.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55795/20081203/sources_warriors_already_regretting_maggette_signi ng/

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What a joke of a front office, Spurs. Letting a guy like this go. Now we're stuck with Roger friggin Mason.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd like to take this opportunity to be a jerk and ask that folks who post these RealGM blurbs link the original source, as there is often a lot more information to be had there.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/12/03/billups.notes/

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

LMAO at him being a chucker on the Warriors somehow being a problem.

[Biernutz]

Cory is not a point guard he is a shooting guard-forward. If you go to his past years stats he only averages 2-3 assist per game. Didn't the Warriors know what they were getting or were they just trying to stick it to the Clippers for signing Davis?

[timvp]

Maggette is a ballhog ... but he's always been a ballhog. His value is his world class ability to get to the free throw line.

That said, I think the Spurs lucked out by having Maggette turn them down and get RMJ. Out of all the possibilities including Maggette, Azubuike, JR Smith, etc. ... I think the Spurs ended up with the right guy, especially when considering the contracts.

[angelbelow]

i would still take maggette for 5 million for 2 years.

[Findog]

What is that, like 18 swingmen who can go one and one and do nothing else, like pass, play defense, etc? And they fucked their cap space to get him? Good. Fuck them.

[T Park]

Corey Maggette is averaging 19.7 points per game, but his somewhat selfish play hasn't gone unnoticed by other players.

According to sources, after the final buzzer against Boston, Kevin Garnett turned to Maggette and shouted, "Way to get your numbers."

"He just puts his head down and goes to the basket," an Eastern Conference scout said. "He doesn't even look to pass."

Team sources tell SI that the Warriors are already regretting signing Maggette to a five-year, $50 million deal last offseason.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55795/20081203/sources_warriors_already_regretting_maggette_signi ng/


What a hypocrit...

[m33p0]

What a hypocrit...
+100 :tu

[cnyc3]

i doubt KG actually said that... Maggette is not a small european guard that he usually picks on

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[Ocotillo]

LMAO at him being a chucker on the Warriors somehow being a problem.

Good point, actually.....

[manufor3]

i doubt KG actually said that... Maggette is not a small european guard that he usually picks on

:lol

[PM5K]

I'll have to wait to see how RMJR does with a healthy lineup, in some situations being a ball hog isn't bad, especially when you have a team that can go half a quarter sometimes without scoring...

[SpurSupremacist]

Make no mistake about it. Maggette > Roger Mason Jr.

[anakha]

Make no mistake about it. Maggette > Roger Mason Jr.

Better player per se? I guess.

Better fit on the Spurs? Meh.

[z0sa]

Make no mistake about it. Maggette > Roger Mason Jr.

Make no mistake about it. Mason's hunger for winning > Maggette's.

Maggette's salary > Mason's

Maggette's chemistry right now <<< Mason's

[SpurSupremacist]

Make no mistake about it. Mason's hunger for winning > Maggette's.

Not sure how you come up with that? Care to elaborate?


Maggette's salary > Mason's

That's true. That has pretty much absolutely nothing to do with what I said, though.


Maggette's chemistry right now <<< Mason's

The warriors are a team in disarray. They're a team made up of gunners. What do you expect the chemistry to be like?

[Twisted_Dawg]

Maggette is a ballhog ... but he's always been a ballhog. His value is his world class ability to get to the free throw line.

That said, I think the Spurs lucked out by having Maggette turn them down and get RMJ. Out of all the possibilities including Maggette, Azubuike, JR Smith, etc. ... I think the Spurs ended up with the right guy, especially when considering the contracts.

So true your wise words on contracts. Seem like everyone neglects to consider the importance of contracts when deciding to pass on a player....or offer him a conract.

[romad_20]

Nelson looked like a genius 2 years ago and looked how fucked up that situation is now. What are they doing with that team? They had the pieces in 2007 and let them all go.

[Brodels]

Boo freakin' hoo. If you sign Maggette, you have to know what you're getting. Did they expect something different from him? He can be a useful player, but he is what he is.

Might have worked out o.k. in SA as a bench player, the kind of guy who can play 8 or 10 minutes a half and fill it up.

[galvatron3000]

maggette leading the Spurs second unit, um, nevamind. Thanks for not coming it frees us up to make a run at someone who will actually benefit the team beyond 1 or 2 years because he was probably not going to buy into the Spurs especially after this season and would probably have been shopped

[my2sons]

Not sure how you come up with that? Care to elaborate?



That's true. That has pretty much absolutely nothing to do with what I said, though.



The warriors are a team in disarray. They're a team made up of gunners. What do you expect the chemistry to be like?


But they've always been a team of gunners. Dissaray comes from losing baron davis and gaining >mason...i mean, magette. Where has magette won before?

[z0sa]

Not sure how you come up with that? Care to elaborate?

Sure. Mason played a big role on the Wizards and could have held out for an offer from them before he jumped ship. He didnt.

Maggette would've left 4 million a year on the table, but if he really cared about winning, 5.8mil a year can feed the family and is worth about 7.5mil in CA. TX is better on taxes, as well.


That's true. That has pretty much absolutely nothing to do with what I said, though.

What i say may have nothing to do with what you say. Its still a fact.


The warriors are a team in disarray. They're a team made up of gunners. What do you expect the chemistry to be like?

You didn't read the article in the OP? His gunner teammates don't even like him.

You are just bitching and whining. :blah

[SpurSupremacist]

But they've always been a team of gunners. Dissaray comes from losing baron davis and gaining >mason...i mean, magette. Where has magette won before?

Up to 2007: Where has Kevin Garnett won before?

[Findog]

What a hypocrit...

KG's an assbag, but one thing he values above numbers is winning.

[SpurSupremacist]

Sure. Mason played a big role on the Wizards and could have held out for an offer from them before he jumped ship. He didnt.

He also could have signed with the Spurs before for less money and the chance to win a ring. He didn't. Plus, the difference between what Maggette would have made here and what Mason could have made is not comparable, sorry.



What i say may have nothing to do with what you say. Its still a fact.

It's a fact, but I'm not really sure what it proves.




You didn't read the article in the OP? His gunner teammates don't even like him.

Because he is better than they are. Gunners tend to not like other gunners that are better than they are.


You are just bitching and whining. :blah

No, I'm simply bringing reason to a stupid thread.

[MannyIsGod]

Boo freakin' hoo. If you sign Maggette, you have to know what you're getting. Did they expect something different from him? He can be a useful player, but he is what he is.

Might have worked out o.k. in SA as a bench player, the kind of guy who can play 8 or 10 minutes a half and fill it up.

LOL @ CM playing 8 to 10 minutes in San Antonio.

Threads like this are why I hate fans sometimes. Everyone here was busting their nut at the opportunity to have CM here this summer and now look at the way people are. Its so annoying. Mason has put up a month of good numbers, but I'll be sold once he does it for a longer period of time. Maggette has put up good numbers for a much longer time and has never been on a winning team - which you can't hold against him - so I don't think he should get knocked too much.

[tp2021]

No, I'm simply bringing reason to a stupid thread.

:wow
:lmao

[z0sa]

He also could have signed with the Spurs before for less money and the chance to win a ring. He didn't.

Mason had a breakout season only last year. Why would the spurs blow over half their MLE on a nobody :huh



Plus, the difference between what Maggette would have made here and what Mason could have made is not comparable, sorry.

Now it's my turn to ask for some facts. In an uptempo offense he's averaging less than with the Clippers :lmao Your lack of knowledge of unsettling.



It's a fact, but I'm not really sure what it proves.

Read between the lines:

Spurs
Couldn't afford maggette
Must Stay
Spurs Couldn't afford maggette
Under the Cap



Because he is better than they are. Gunners tend to not like other gunners that are better than they are.

Or maybe ... just maybe ... he's a ball hog and chemistry killer?



No, I'm simply bringing reason to a stupid thread.

Whatever you wanna call being ignorant.

[T Park]

Not sure how you come up with that? Care to elaborate?




Easy.

He turned down the Spurs, a winning team, for more money and a lottery team.

How much more obvious does it get?

[A Bomb]

Maggette is a ballhog ... but he's always been a ballhog. His value is his world class ability to get to the free throw line.

That said, I think the Spurs lucked out by having Maggette turn them down and get RMJ. Out of all the possibilities including Maggette, Azubuike, JR Smith, etc. ... I think the Spurs ended up with the right guy, especially when considering the contracts.


I think if the Spurs signed Maggette, he wouldn't be such a ballhog, it's the system he plays for. Put him in there with the Spurs big 3 and Popovich and he could of developed into a force.

[exstatic]

I think if the Spurs signed Maggette, he wouldn't be such a ballhog, it's the system he plays for. Put him in there with the Spurs big 3 and Popovich and he could of developed into a force.

Ten years into his career? You are what you are, at that point. I also think his FT penchant would be lessened by playing for the Spurs. They are pretty much FT lepers with the zebras since the Timmy/Crawford blowup.

[ILoveOranges]

Threads like this are why I hate fans sometimes. Everyone here was busting their nut at the opportunity to have CM here this summer and now look at the way people are. Its so annoying.

:rollin Well, that's life for you. People want what they can't have, and everything seems better from the outside. And then when someone else gets what they can't have, they pout and degrade the object. Some fans in particular I suppose are pretty bad. :lol

[SpurSupremacist]

Mason had a breakout season only last year. Why would the spurs blow over half their MLE on a nobody :huh

No man, you don't get it. You're trying to say Mason is all about winning, and the fact is he cares about money, just like Maggette does.





Now it's my turn to ask for some facts. In an uptempo offense he's averaging less than with the Clippers :lmao Your lack of knowledge of unsettling.

Probably because he's learning an entirely new system, with entirely new teammates? lol I'd think that's pretty much self-explanatory, but I guess not.





Read between the lines:

Spurs
Couldn't afford maggette
Must Stay
Spurs Couldn't afford maggette
Under the Cap

Um, obviously. My original post was simply saying Maggette is a better player than Mason, which he is. Some delusional people seem to be implying Mason is a better player than Maggette, which is laughable, which is what my post was intended to be aimed at. I guess I have to spell everything out.





Or maybe ... just maybe ... he's a ball hog and chemistry killer?

Possibly, but the Spurs could use a ball hog that is that talented. I mean, I'd say the Spurs have been together for a pretty long while and developed quite a chemistry, what's that doing for them? They're 9-8.

[SpurSupremacist]

Easy.

He turned down the Spurs, a winning team, for more money and a lottery team.

How much more obvious does it get?

Yes, and Mason also did the same. And the cash difference he received from the Wizards was FAR less than Maggette's cash difference from the Warriors, so... thanks for playing.

[Gino2882]

There are VERY few who didn't want Maggette over Mason.

Knowing what we know this first month, I would take Maggette 1000 times over Roger Mason.

Maggette would of been an absolute force on this team. Maggette gets to the line I believe more than anyone not named Kobe or Lebron.

[itzsoweezee]

What a joke of a front office, Spurs. Letting a guy like this go. Now we're stuck with Roger friggin Mason.

lol. like it was the spurs that turned him down rather than the other way around.

[K-State Spur]

What a hypocrit...

Whatever, KG stops trying to get his numbers (or anything else) with 5 minutes left in the game.

[SenorSpur]

I'll bite. I was one of the biggest Corey Maggette backers on here. I admit, I was wrong about him and how he'd integrate into the Spurs offense. So glad the Spurs lucked out with RMJ.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Regretting signing a ball hogging role player to a $50M contract? Shocking.

[SpurSupremacist]

I'll bite. I was one of the biggest Corey Maggette backers on here. I admit, I was wrong about him and how he'd integrate into the Spurs offense. So glad the Spurs lucked out with RMJ.

You were wrong about how he'd fit into the Spurs offense? How does that work out, when he's never played for the Spurs?

[Obstructed_View]

Maggette has put up good numbers for a much longer time and has never been on a winning team - which you can't hold against him - so I don't think he should get knocked too much.

Um, why not? If a guy puts up numbers but doesn't make his team any better, then what's the use of having him?

CM went to a team that, due to pace, shoots the ball about 900 times per game, and has already angered his team due to the fact that he shoots too much.

[mrspurs]

One thing is for sure. In golden state nothing works. And heres another clue. With cory its about cory first then any team.

[sonic21]

i doubt KG actually said that... Maggette is not a small european guard that he usually picks on

:tu

[z0sa]

No man, you don't get it. You're trying to say Mason is all about winning, and the fact is he cares about money, just like Maggette does.

Do you have any idea who RMJ even is? I think you've got another player mixed up with him :lol

Here, let me quote your original post, and then your answer:


He also could have signed with the Spurs before for less money and the chance to win a ring. He didn't. Plus, the difference between what Maggette would have made here and what Mason could have made is not comparable, sorry.

Now this:


No man, you don't get it. You're trying to say Mason is all about winning, and the fact is he cares about money, just like Maggette does.

You are saying the Spurs went after Mason before this year? If so (which I'm near positive they did not) why the fuck did they, considering last season was his breakout year? Do I have to spell it out for YOU?

What do you not understand? the Wizards didn't get in a bidding war over Mason. He was either going to choose a big role on an EAST lottery team (the uber of shitty in the NBA) or a 4/5th option on the Spurs. He chose to win.

Reread my other posts (did you even understand them, either?) about why Maggette could have chosen a still good amount of money in order to win. He even knew Manu was injured and he'd play a big role early on. He still chose a lottery team, because he doesn't want to win. And I want someone who wants to win on my team.




Probably because he's learning an entirely new system, with entirely new teammates? lol I'd think that's pretty much self-explanatory, but I guess not.

New system? The fuck you talking about? Nellieball takes a training camp to learn: RUN RUN RUN. Thought that would be pretty much self-explanatory.


Um, obviously. My original post was simply saying Maggette is a better player than Mason, which he is.

Where did I disagree on their talent levels? I made counterpoints to that argument, which you have yet to even acknowledge.


Some delusional people seem to be implying Mason is a better player than Maggette, which is laughable, which is what my post was intended to be aimed at. I guess I have to spell everything out.

He wants to win more, and he brings a skillset we need. Maggette's a ballstopper on offense and we run a Motion offense. The word stop and motion are essentially antonyms.


Possibly, but the Spurs could use a ball hog that is that talented. I mean, I'd say the Spurs have been together for a pretty long while and developed quite a chemistry, what's that doing for them? They're 9-8.

The chemistry isn't very good right now. I ask, do you watch the games? Or do you just watch the ball?

The LAST thing the Spurs need right now is a ballhog. Just last game a lack of ball movement cost us a victory. Seriously dude, what the hell are you rambling about?

[MannyIsGod]

Um, why not? If a guy puts up numbers but doesn't make his team any better, then what's the use of having him?

CM went to a team that, due to pace, shoots the ball about 900 times per game, and has already angered his team due to the fact that he shoots too much.

Proof his team is angered? Other than some random internet report? If its on the internet it must be true, right?

And you can't hold it against him because no one has claimed CM is a franchise player. We're comparing him to RMJr here, not Duncan. Is RMJr expected to carry teams?

[T Park]

Yes, and Mason also did the same. And the cash difference he received from the Wizards was FAR less than Maggette's cash difference from the Warriors, so... thanks for playing.

Mason turned down playing for the Wizards, to play for the Spurs.

How the hell did he do the same thing!??!?

The Spurs offered him more money last year, than what he recieved in Washington.


HOW THE HELL IS IT THE SAME THING!?!??!!??

[T Park]

Whatever, KG stops trying to get his numbers (or anything else) with 5 minutes left in the game.

:lol

[T Park]

There are VERY few who didn't want Maggette over Mason.

Knowing what we know this first month, I would take Maggette 1000 times over Roger Mason.

Maggette would of been an absolute force on this team. Maggette gets to the line I believe more than anyone not named Kobe or Lebron.


Not really, but ok.

[z0sa]

Is RMJr expected to carry teams?

He did a pretty good job in Gilbert Arenas' absence, don't you think? And what would you call Arenas, if not the Wizards' franchise player?

[mrspurs]

You were wrong about how he'd fit into the Spurs offense? How does that work out, when he's never played for the Spurs?

Exactly, we have no idea how Cory woulda played here. Thou Cory is about himself first. That doesnt mean he wouldnt have been outstanding by himself here. Kobe is about himself. Maybe for the first time in his career, he's a team player this season. Jordon was about himself first then the team. There is nothing wrong with having players who could careless about his teamates. Not as long as they win games and play within the system. I like Roger hes not bad for the cheap price we are used to paying for most players. But Cory would have Manu still sitting on the bench healing.

[MannyIsGod]

He did a pretty good job in Gilbert Arenas' absence, don't you think? And what would you call Arenas, if not the Wizards' franchise player?

LOL Am I supposed to take this post seriously?

[z0sa]

LOL Am I supposed to take this post seriously?

As seriously as asking if Mason is supposed to carry teams.

What was inaccurate about either one of my sentences O Condescending One?

[MannyIsGod]

Well my question was obviously rhetorical because no one here - or so I thought - considers RMJr anything more than a potentially very good role player. My initial post had context in explaining why you don't fault Maggette for not being on winning teams and you took a statement from that and ran with making Mason Jr. the equivlant of a franchise player.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Not saying Maggette isn't a turd but in all fairness, the GS system advocates and almost rewards this type of "blinder" play. In the Spurs system, Popovich would have Maggette's breakfast on his cock if he tried this crap.

[z0sa]

Well my question was obviously rhetorical because no one here - or so I thought - considers RMJr anything more than a potentially very good role player. My initial post had context in explaining why you don't fault Maggette for not being on winning teams and you took a statement from that and ran with making Mason Jr. the equivlant of a franchise player.

I won't get in a hopeless discussion about RMJr being a franchise player - he's not. But he DID fill in quite nicely for Gilbert Arenas, who IS the Wiz franchise plain and simple.

I would honestly not call that a rhetorical question, nor would I say he's potentially only a "very good roleplayer." He has the ability to be a solid 3rd option when one of our big 3 aren't firing on all cylinders - which happens to be why we got him.

On the Maggette point, I don't agree. He was on a winning team in 06, and despite having an injury riddled season, he was healthy enough to average 15ppg in the PO.

My earlier posts go a bit more into that subject.

[MannyIsGod]

Guess what you call a player who is your fourth option?

A good role player.

[z0sa]

Guess what you call a player who is your fourth option?

A good role player.

:rolleyes Are you here to have a discussion, or state opinions as if they are fact?

Three all-stars on this team, he doesn't have a choice. Too bad when at least one of those all-stars were out he was posting huge games and hitting game winners.

[MannyIsGod]

What is there to discuss? RMJr is a role player. That IS a fact. He's not an all star, he's not a super star, he's not a franchise playe. He IS a role player. Thats exactly why my question was rhetorical. I didn't actually expect anyone to try to answer it because I thought it was blatently obvious that somone who has never averaged more than 9 points per game in a season, never played more than 21 minutes on average per season and prior to this season started a grand total of 12 NBA games was an NBA role player.

I'm honestly not sure why this is even a point of contention.

[z0sa]

What is there to discuss? RMJr is a role player. That IS a fact. He's not an all star, he's not a super star, he's not a franchise playe. He IS a role player. Thats exactly why my question was rhetorical. I didn't actually expect anyone to try to answer it because I thought it was blatently obvious that somone who has never averaged more than 9 points per game in a season, never played more than 21 minutes on average per season and prior to this season started a grand total of 12 NBA games was an NBA role player.

I'm honestly not sure why this is even a point of contention.

I beg to differ. He was scoring with reckless abandon early in the season, including 30 against Sota in that Double OT game. He nailed a game winning 3pter on a play that was called FOR HIM, and wasn't he the one that assisted to Tim for that driving layup over Quincy Douby? Thats 3 games he was a huge contributing factor.

It is a point of contention, and I would go as far to say on a different team he could be a Number 2 guy consistently with his perfect mix of spotting up+faking guys out, ballhandling skills and athletic ability used to get to the basket, a good locker room presence, and at 28, in his prime.

But here let me try your method: Mason IS a capable second/third MINIMUM option. I don't understand why it's a point of contention having seen his production this early season.

[ShoogarBear]

Popovich would have Maggette's breakfast on his cock if he tried this crap.

I don't want to know what this means exactly.

[MannyIsGod]

I beg to differ. He was scoring with reckless abandon early in the season, including 30 against Sota in that Double OT game. He nailed a game winning 3pter on a play that was called FOR HIM, and wasn't he the one that assisted to Tim for that driving layup over Quincy Douby? Thats 3 games he was a huge contributing factor.

It is a point of contention, and I would go as far to say on a different team he could be a Number 2 guy consistently with his perfect mix of spotting up+faking guys out, ballhandling skills and athletic ability used to get to the basket, a good locker room presence, and at 28, in his prime.

But here let me try your method: Mason IS a capable second/third MINIMUM option. I don't understand why it's a point of contention having seen his production this early season.

Yet he's never managed to score more than 9 per game in the league. Ok. There are sure as hell a lot of 2nd options in this league by your standards. Score a few buckets in early season games, maybe even 30 once or twice and you're all of a sudden vaulted in status. Man, didn't take much for Tony/Manu to get demoted.

[Saban Rules]

Yet he's never managed to score more than 9 per game in the league. Ok. There are sure as hell a lot of 2nd options in this league by your standards. Score a few buckets in early season games, maybe even 30 once or twice and you're all of a sudden vaulted in status. Man, didn't take much for Tony/Manu to get demoted.
dude has a point. i mean anthony morrow poured in 37 in his first start. by your reasoning he could be a 2nd or third option on a team. mason is a great role player. he is not a star and never will be. his attitude, approach to the game,etc. all are essentially for the better of the team attitude, which by definition and in practice is going to preclude him from being nothing more than a highly effective role payer. you could stick him on a shitty team and give him 35 minutes a night and he willl put up around 15 points a game, but would never be a star and would not be the direction or strategy for my team (that is asking too much out of him)

[z0sa]

Yet he's never managed to score more than 9 per game in the league. Ok. There are sure as hell a lot of 2nd options in this league by your standards. Score a few buckets in early season games, maybe even 30 once or twice and you're all of a sudden vaulted in status. Man, didn't take much for Tony/Manu to get demoted.

His breakout season was about 1/3 of last year, and was signed pretty much exclusively on the belief that 9PPG isn't near his ceiling. Can we at least agree on these two points?

Additionally, he's done quite a bit more than "score a few buckets." He's played solid defense, brought the ball up under pressure essentially every game TP/Manu was out, and his scoring has been very efficient and varied. His BBIQ is fairly high. He was leading the league in 3pt percentage and wasn't far behind in 3pters made (if he was even behind anyone besides himself). His role is going to drop off now but in the Big 2's absence he proved he's a capable third option, minimum.

Without Mason's contributions, we'd be under .500 still, and maybe by a lot.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I don't want to know what this means exactly.

:lol

I think he means maggette would have an extra sausage in his breakfast. I really don't know though. . .

This will go in my book of wierdest expressions i've ever heard.

[SpurSupremacist]

You are saying the Spurs went after Mason before this year? If so (which I'm near positive they did not) why the fuck did they, considering last season was his breakout year? Do I have to spell it out for YOU?

Yes, they did. You shouldn't speak about things you clearly have no knowledge of, ie NBA basketball.


What do you not understand? the Wizards didn't get in a bidding war over Mason. He was either going to choose a big role on an EAST lottery team (the uber of shitty in the NBA) or a 4/5th option on the Spurs. He chose to win.

Like the previous year when he chose the money.


Reread my other posts (did you even understand them, either?) about why Maggette could have chosen a still good amount of money in order to win. He even knew Manu was injured and he'd play a big role early on. He still chose a lottery team, because he doesn't want to win. And I want someone who wants to win on my team.

5 million dollars <> 10 million dollars. Just kidding.




New system? The fuck you talking about? Nellieball takes a training camp to learn: RUN RUN RUN. Thought that would be pretty much self-explanatory.

No, you're just taking what you hear from Sportscenter.


Where did I disagree on their talent levels? I made counterpoints to that argument, which you have yet to even acknowledge.

I don't know where you stand on that, it doesn't really matter to me, either. It's fairly obvious to me Maggette is much superior to Roger Mason Jr. I don't even really need to debate that.


He wants to win more, and he brings a skillset we need. Maggette's a ballstopper on offense and we run a Motion offense. The word stop and motion are essentially antonyms.

Again, there's absolutely no evidence you have brought to the table that Roger Mason Jr. wants to win more than Maggette. Also, our offense is terrible, if you haven't noticed.




The chemistry isn't very good right now. I ask, do you watch the games? Or do you just watch the ball?

Well, they've been playing together for years, most of them... so they have no excuses for it.


The LAST thing the Spurs need right now is a ballhog. Just last game a lack of ball movement cost us a victory. Seriously dude, what the hell are you rambling about?

Yes, the last thing the Spurs need right now is a 20 point per game scorer who gets to the free throw line about 10 times per game. Hold on, I'll be right back, I can't concentrate when I'm laughing uncontrollably like this.

[Obstructed_View]

Proof his team is angered? Other than some random internet report? If its on the internet it must be true, right?
http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/12/04/maggettes-style-already-an-irritant/5884/

If it comes from people who covered, played and coached with him, including his best friend saying that he wanted to play on a different team so they could stay friends, it's not automatically untrue because it's on the Internet. If you have a problem with the report, then say that in the first place, but don't wade into this argument and then shit on the source when I refer to it.


And you can't hold it against him because no one has claimed CM is a franchise player. We're comparing him to RMJr here, not Duncan. Is RMJr expected to carry teams?
Again, cut it out with the fake arguments. Nobody said he was a franchise player, but for the amount of points he scores he certainly fails to make anyone around him better, and his numbers don't seem to coincide with wins and losses in any way.

As a role player, I'd rather have Roger Mason on this team every day of the week, and that's without even discussing money or the fact that it was a pipe dream to think Maggette would ever have taken a pay cut to play for the Spurs.

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• I heard my first concrete rumblings this week that the Warriors are indeed prepared (yes, so soon) to part with their big free-agent signee, hard as it figures to be to move Corey Maggette in the first season of a five-year, $50 million contract. Maggette is one of the 90 guys who becomes eligible to be traded Monday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081213-14