Trade Proposal

[Tully365]

Spurs trade Udoka, Vaughn, Thomas, the rights to Tiago Splitter, and their 2010 first round pick

to the Knicks for David Lee, Jared Jeffries, and their '09 first round pick.

Reason why each team might like the deal:

Knicks. 1. They unload Jeffries' salary, which extends to 2010, giving them more cap room to sign LeBron-- which seems to be their goal now, even more than winning.
2. The rights to Splitter and a 2010 draft pick coincide with their plan for a great Knick revival starting that year.
3. They get a cheap back-up small forward in Udoka with only one year left on his contract to replace Jeffries, and a cheap back-up point guard in Vaughn, also with only one year left on his contract. Also, defensive minded & well-liked Thomas returns to NY.

Spurs. 1. They get Lee, a young big who rebounds.
2. Jeffries is a decent and versatile but overpaid player who is 6'11" and can play SF, PF, and C. Not a great player by any means, but he plays D, and it's his salary that makes the deal work. A short Spur team gets taller.
3. The '09 draft pick of the Knicks will almost certainly be better than the '10 pick of the Spurs, and the Spurs need help sooner rather than later, while the Knicks are possibly willing to wait a year before committing to any new salaries.

This trade wouldn't be available until Dec. 15th because of the trade restriction attached to the Kurt Thomas signing.

All players included in the proposal are necessary to make the numbers match.

[tp2021]

I like your thought process, but I think the Spurs should put out feelers on what they can get for Bonner+Vaughn first.

[honestfool84]

i'd pass, but thanks for offering.

[Tully365]

I like your thought process, but I think the Spurs should put out feelers on what they can get for Bonner+Vaughn first.

For the salaries to match in a deal including Bonner, the Spurs would have to include another 1 mil+... someone like Mahinmi or Hill, which I don't think would be a good idea.

[tp2021]

For the salaries to match in a deal including Bonner, the Spurs would have to include another 1 mil+... someone like Mahinmi or Hill, which I don't think would be a good idea.


I like your thought process, but I think the Spurs should put out feelers on what they can get for Bonner+Vaughn first.:)

[Rogue]

Why not trade Tim and 1st rounder for Lebron and Mo williams?

[lefty]

Let's trade Tim+Tony+Manu for Maggette

And Pop for a KFC franchise, if you're fed up with Taco Bell.

[honestfool84]

Let's trade Tim+Tony+Manu for Maggette

And Pop for a KFC franchise, if you're fed up with Taco Bell.



now that's something to think about.
i'd totally do it, if i were the clippers.


where do the fans, as spurstalk, have to sign to get this done?
i think this is something everyone would agree on.
forget even mentioning it to POP and RC; let's just do it ourselves.
:rolleyes

[lefty]

Rofl

[Tully365]

now that's something to think about.
i'd totally do it, if i were the clippers.


where do the fans, as spurstalk, have to sign to get this done?
i think this is something everyone would agree on.
forget even mentioning it to POP and RC; let's just do it ourselves.
:rolleyes

Oooh... dark sarcasm from a wedding photographer-- how devastatingly cute!

[honestfool84]

Oooh... dark sarcasm from a wedding photographer-- how devastatingly cute!

im just saying..
you proposed the trade to spurstalk.

why do we need POP and RC when half the people who propose trades act as if spurstalk make the decisions?

[Big P]

Jared Jefferies?? Thats some silly shit right there...rofl

[SpurSupremacist]

Yeah right, like they'd give up David Lee for that trash. He's probably their best player, and he's a team player. Isaiah isn't running the show anymore, man.

[Tully365]

Yeah right, like they'd give up David Lee for that trash. He's probably their best player, and he's a team player. Isaiah isn't running the show anymore, man.

They just gave up Crawford and Randolph to make room for 2010, didn't they? How's this any different?

[SpurSupremacist]

They just gave up Crawford and Randolph to make room for 2010, didn't they? How's this any different?

Because like I said, Lee is their best player and youthful. Someone LeBron would be interested in playing with, possibly. They can't just clear all of their team out. They can't gut their entire team and say hey, we have a lot of cap space and we're a huge market! Come and play for us! No. That is incredibly stupid to think.

[TDMVPDPOY]

david lee has one good performance, now his overrated....fuck this shit

and that package aint worth splitters rights

[SpurSupremacist]

david lee has one good performance, now his overrated....fuck this shit

and that package aint worth splitters rights

You're probably right.

Splitter is a lot better than Lee is. ROFL

[TDMVPDPOY]

You're probably right.

Splitter is a lot better than Lee is. ROFL

dude ur telling me we are getting 2 scrubs in return for splitters rights who is a already developed C/PF with offensive game and avg defense to 2 guys who have no offensive game besides scoring from 2nd chance points....and JJ had his opportunity to become a spur when we chase him, now his not even worth the contract he signed.

[superbigtime]

Any way to get David Lee is a good way. Especially if you give up trash like Vaughn, Udoka, Thomas, and Bonner.

[SpurSupremacist]

dude ur telling me we are getting 2 scrubs in return for splitters rights who is a already developed C/PF with offensive game and avg defense to 2 guys who have no offensive game besides scoring from 2nd chance points....and JJ had his opportunity to become a spur when we chase him, now his not even worth the contract he signed.

Second chance points are exactly what we need. We don't need any more playmakers, we have all the playmakers we need. We severely lack second chance points, offensive rebounds... and rebounding in general, really.

And really, if you're calling Lee a scrub, you really don't know very much about the NBA, at all.

[TDMVPDPOY]

trade for these 2 guys and there goes the 2010 plan

lee hasnt been extended yet, and JJ? his got another 2-3 seasons left on his MLE contract.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It wouldn't be fair to the other teams in our division if we didn't trade Splitter's rights to either NO, Dallas or Memphis.

[SenorSpur]

I like your thought process, but I think the Spurs should put out feelers on what they can get for Bonner+Vaughn first.

+2

[Tully365]

Because like I said, Lee is their best player and youthful. Someone LeBron would be interested in playing with, possibly. They can't just clear all of their team out. They can't gut their entire team and say hey, we have a lot of cap space and we're a huge market! Come and play for us! No. That is incredibly stupid to think.

OK-- explain the Pau Gasol trade.

[timaios]

Lebron will stay in Cleveland.

[Tully365]

Lebron will stay in Cleveland.

What LeBron does is of no consequence. The point is the Knicks believe they can lure a big time Free Agent (or two) to sign there in 2010. That's why they traded Crawford and Randolph-- their top two scorers and top rebounder-- for cap relief. Just like Memphis did with Gasol.

[SpurSupremacist]

OK-- explain the Pau Gasol trade.

Easy, it was executed by the Memphis owner, not the GM.

[Tully365]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/27843518/


The Knicks have been above the cap for years and haven’t been able to make a free-agent splash in more than a decade. But they are now in position — perhaps so good that Walsh didn’t rule out possibly being able to land two max players in two years.

“I have a good idea of what we just did,” Walsh said. “I can’t tell you that I’ve thought out what I’m going to do in two years or something like that. I haven’t done that. All I know is that we’ve created more cap space than we had.”

[SpurSupremacist]

What LeBron does is of no consequence. The point is the Knicks believe they can lure a big time Free Agent (or two) to sign there in 2010. That's why they traded Crawford and Randolph-- their top two scorers and top rebounder-- for cap relief. Just like Memphis did with Gasol.

Not at all, actually. Two completely different situations. Memphis was looking to save money not related to basketball. Knicks do it to try to be competitive.

[Tully365]

Not at all, actually. Two completely different situations. Memphis was looking to save money not related to basketball. Knicks do it to try to be competitive.


Yeah, to be competitive in 2010-- Two years from now. Every situation is different, but the point still remains that the Knicks are in salary-slashing mode, and slashing the salary of Jeffries is something they might be very interested in, especially if they feel like the result will be LeBron + Bosh, which would make losing Lee inconsequential in their minds.

[Tully365]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

2008/09
David Lee: $1,788,033
Jared Jeffries: 6,049,400

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
Udoka: 1,080,000
Vaughn: 1,262,275
Thomas: 4,200,00

[honestfool84]

like i said...

let's make the trade happen.
what are we waiting for?
you proposed the trade, and im approving.

[SpurSupremacist]

Yeah, to be competitive in 2010-- Two years from now. Every situation is different, but the point still remains that the Knicks are in salary-slashing mode, and slashing the salary of Jeffries is something they might be very interested in, especially if they feel like the result will be LeBron + Bosh, which would make losing Lee inconsequential in their minds.

I don't think you understand, or you're completely blind as to what James is looking for. He isn't going to go to a team that just has a lot of cap space. "Hey, LeBron, come to New York! We MIGHT get Chris Bosh to play along side you!". No way is he leaving Cleveland for that shit. They need players on the team before that point. David Lee is a player. They need to dump the rest of their cap hogs, keep Lee and Robinson and draft extremely well, or they have absolutely no shot at LeBron.

[Blackjack]

I can't say I'd be in favor of the trade, since the Spurs are already behind the 8-ball in terms of chemistry/continuity, but at least it was well thought out proposal.:tu

I think they'd be better off seeing if the Blazers would like to get Udoka back for the vet they want in the locker-room, in exchange for Diogu, but that's just me.

I don't think you're going to find a "big" with as much talent, while having low enough value to be attainable.

They might be looking at Andre Brown to fill that role, but I guess we'll see.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

OK-- explain the Pau Gasol trade.

Gasol trade was something like the following scenario : Spurs trade Vaughn ( a 3rd string PG ), Thomas ( a big ), Splitter's rights and re-signed Horry ( to match salaries ) + picks for Al Jefferson.

Would be lovely but I don't see this happening at all.

Your trade sounds plausible and I'm sure a lot of people here like Lee but I don't thing the Spurs would ever take JJ's contract and I don't think Vaughn would get dealt anywhere, he'll prob be with the Spurs as a coach next year.

Besides Splitter is too good to trade away unless we're 100% sure he won't come.

[jjktkk]

I don't think you understand, or you're completely blind as to what James is looking for. He isn't going to go to a team that just has a lot of cap space. "Hey, LeBron, come to New York! We MIGHT get Chris Bosh to play along side you!". No way is he leaving Cleveland for that shit. They need players on the team before that point. David Lee is a player. They need to dump the rest of their cap hogs, keep Lee and Robinson and draft extremely well, or they have absolutely no shot at LeBron.

About a month ago on ESPN fast break I think it was Rick Buker, who stated that the Knicks will probably not be able to resign Lee after this season, so using that info, I could see the Knicks trying to move him. I love the trade idea. Lee is a bigger, more athletic malik Rose, and Jefferies is a 6'11" sf, who can hit the 3 and defend. If the salaries would work, I'd do it.

[Tully365]

like i said...

let's make the trade happen.
what are we waiting for?
you proposed the trade, and im approving.

Ah, sarcasm. Why don't you just think your ideas instead of sharing them-- that would make you a lot more pure.

[mountainballer]

other than most trade proposals this one isn't totally out of this world and I also like Lee.
one thing for sure: Knicks have to sacrifice Lee to save the chance to land Lebron. re signing Lee, who asks for 10 million per year, will eat much cup space. so they will either try to use him as a teaser to unload a long term contract (could also be Curry) or to get a 1st round pick.
the problems I see are: Lee asks for more money the Spurs likely can afford additional to the big 3, they might be willing to pay something like 6-7 M, but not 10. so Lee could be short term rental and then the Spurs are stuck with an totally overpayed player like Jeffries, who is something like Elson in the SF/PF version.
and: as usual so many other teams have much more to offer if the Knicks put Lee on the market. we even don't have a 1st rounder to offer. (unless we offer the 2011 pick, which I don't know if it is technically possible). watch out for the Cavs to be very active at deadline, especially when it comes to get a player like Lee. they could offer Varejao plus Hickson plus a 1st rounder for Lee plus Jeffries. what offer do you take if you are Walsh?

[Obstructed_View]

It's a good trade proposal, it's certainly the best one that I've seen yet, and there are reasons both teams might be interested in it. I don't know why some of you are being dicks about it.

[SenorSpur]

Yeah, to be competitive in 2010-- Two years from now. Every situation is different, but the point still remains that the Knicks are in salary-slashing mode, and slashing the salary of Jeffries is something they might be very interested in, especially if they feel like the result will be LeBron + Bosh, which would make losing Lee inconsequential in their minds.

Those would be two immediate frontcourt upgrades. Certainly wouldn't hurt to entertain the idea. Although Donnie Walsh is a helluva lot shrewder and wiser than Isiah Thomas. :lol

[benefactor]

It's a good trade proposal, it's certainly the best one that I've seen yet, and there are reasons both teams might be interested in it. I don't know why some of you are being dicks about it.
I've thought the exact same thing as I have been reading through this. And anyone who says David Lee sucks should pull their head out of their derriere. Lee could be a good part of the team going forward and if you have to dip into some of that 2010 cash to keep him I think you do it. Let's face it...out 2010 plan is probably going to consist of signing solid role players over a big name anyway so this would be a nice start. Taking on Jeffries contract isn't great, but if you look at the current garbage on our front line anything is an improvement. It's a bullet I would bite to get Lee.

[galvatron3000]

It's a good trade proposal, it's certainly the best one that I've seen yet, and there are reasons both teams might be interested in it. I don't know why some of you are being dicks about it.

because every forum across the world thinks that insulting someone's idea or being disrespectful, regardless of whether the idea is good or bad, makes them feel more "manly". So to all the "men" on forum across the globe I salute you for being rude, disrepectful and totally clueless to how grown men conduct themselves in real discussion, if you don't like a topic or subject then just stay out the topic and move on.

[SenorSpur]

because every forum across the world thinks that insulting someone's idea or being disrespectful, regardless of whether the idea is good or bad, makes them feel more "manly". So to all the "men" on forum across the globe I salute you for being rude, disrepectful and totally clueless to how grown men conduct themselves in real discussion, if you don't like a topic or subject then just stay out the topic and move on.

:tu

Well said.

[wildchild]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

2008/09
David Lee: $1,788,033
Jared Jeffries: 6,049,400

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
Udoka: 1,080,000
Vaughn: 1,262,275
Thomas: 4,200,00


Damn it. Lee could be a great addition. A role player who can be productive. Right now, he's on top of the NBA rebounders.

[mrspurs]

When 5 of the 1st people on this thread are on my ignore list. It automatically tells me this is another mickey mouse thread. That will be followed by mickey mouse answers. I have no clue what this thread is about. I can live with that.

[sam1617]

I would be reasonably ok with this trade if it went through. I think Jeffries is better than Udoka, albeit hes also more expensive, and I think that Lee could help a lot. And since I don't think Splitter is ever going to join the Spurs, then I am willing to trade his rights, as long as its not to Houston.

[Extra Stout]

im just saying..
you proposed the trade to spurstalk.

why do we need POP and RC when half the people who propose trades act as if spurstalk make the decisions?
yeah having a discussion about the spurs on a spurs discussion forum is stupid
you should go start a forum called spursnottalk where people don't talk about the spurs since it's pointless

[mountainballer]

When 5 of the 1st people on this thread are on my ignore list. It automatically tells me this is another mickey mouse thread. That will be followed by mickey mouse answers. I have no clue what this thread is about. I can live with that.

at least you can claim to have placed the most arrogant statement in a thread you still don't have a clue about.

[benefactor]

When 5 of the 1st people on this thread are on my ignore list. It automatically tells me this is another mickey mouse thread. That will be followed by mickey mouse answers. I have no clue what this thread is about. I can live with that.
You were 2 out of 5 on complete sentences in that reply. Keep working and you might see .500 soon.

[tp2021]

It's a good trade proposal, it's certainly the best one that I've seen yet, and there are reasons both teams might be interested in it. I don't know why honestfool84 is being a dick about it.

[galvatron3000]

Here is a trade proposal that is very simple and doable. The Spurs send JV and Bonner to the Thunder (they need a veteran PG to mentor Westbrook and they desperately need a PF who can make an outside shot). The Spurs get Joe Smith. (Smith is begging for his walking papers. The former #1 pick lands on the best team in his career and plays to his potential in th twilight of his career.



I believe there was a report having him soon to be waived. I'm not a fan of Smith's but if he can rebound, score and play team D then I guess I can accept that. He didn't help KG much to me so I doubt he'd help Tim.

[rascal]

Joe Smith isn't any good. And those scrubs don't add anything to the Thunder.

Its a trade that doesn't help either team.

[SpurSupremacist]

Here is a trade proposal that is very simple and doable. The Spurs send JV and Bonner to the Thunder (they need a veteran PG to mentor Westbrook and they desperately need a PF who can make an outside shot). The Spurs get Joe Smith. (Smith is begging for his walking papers. The former #1 pick lands on the best team in his career and plays to his potential in th twilight of his career.

Bonner > Joe Smith

[manufor3]

no thanks

[Obstructed_View]

Bonner > Joe Smith

Don't always agree with you, but +10000. :tu

[Xylus]

Your mind's in the right place, wanting David Lee and all, but I don't think the Knicks would consider doing this trade.

[Austin_Toros]

spurs could have drafted lee you know.... they probably should have