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Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 08:53 PM
After a two month dry spell in tourneys I decided to switch it up and play nothing but cash games, first few sessions I was up and down with a couple hundred dollar net loss. However the last few weeks Ive been taking it very serious playing good solid patient poker and have managed to rake in $3800 in $1 $2 NL Holdem sessions. This last week I have pocketed $1600 or so in cash games and I won a $42 tourney at the Sahara yesterday for $840(not chopped I didnt want to because i was 3.5 to 1 chip leader and thought I had an edge) Im still doing this part time for the moment however as the economy continues to pretty much suck, I believe there will be no shortage of degenerate fish and tourists coming into casinos to suck up money from so I'm thinking about attempting to play full time. Im aware of variance and I believe i was on the downside of that for a while and its swung the other way for the time being. Im not disillusioned thinking I'm some god or anything, just a solid player waiting for people to make mistakes against me. It can be a very boring style of play but I also can mix it up a bit when Ive built up my stack a bit.

So I'd like to get Manny's opinion on this, my passion is for tourneys (lower buyins at the moment) however I see more potential for steady income in cash games. Tourneys are however more exciting and offer potential for much larger pay days but your against huge fields so it takes an extreme amount of luck to even get to the final table.

Some positives I've got going for me if I do pursue this.

1. Level headed very seldom do I go on tilt, I do not wish to berate a player and educate him on his mistakes, when they suck out ive learned to say nice hand or well played sir to give them some positive reinforcement.

2. No problems with booze or drugs or prostitutes which is a huge problem here in Vegas with many top players/pros. Occasionally I will have a beer or two during a session, if nothing else than to calm the nerves a bit, but those nerves are pretty much going away as I gain more and more experience.

3. Im not a compulsive gambler outside of Poker i pretty much stay away from all other gaming, no slots, roulette, craps, blackjack (occasionally) and no sports book betting. These are major factors for many pros here as well, they do very well in poker and blow it on other gambling activities.

4. I can let go of a good hand which is one of the single most important skills in poker. Sure i get bluffed off hands sometimes however I do go with my reads if I've got a reason to.


Downsides
1. My biggest downside is sometimes playing until Im overtired and I start making some bad decisions, however I usually catchon to when I'm doing this so I'm taking that leak out of my game for the most part.


So Manny and other players what do you think? Id like to get some feedback from you. It is awesome to wake up any time day or night and know where to go to play some poker. It's equally as awesome to know I can put $200-$300 at risk for a session and walk away with $800-$1000+ for a couple hours of work.

thispego
12-04-2008, 08:55 PM
who cares? not even manny, probably

Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 09:06 PM
Get back under your bridge.. The village is calling they want their idiot back.

Manny may not "care" so to speak but he may have some insight.

thispego
12-04-2008, 09:23 PM
so make a personal phone call to your little butt buddy manny. noone gives a shit about your gambling exploits.

Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Mama didn't give you enough hugs apparently.

Vinnie_Johnson
12-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Sounds great.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/gambling_addiction.htm

* Winning phase – The winning phase often starts with a big win, leading to excitement and a positive view of gambling. Problem gamblers believe they have a special talent for gambling and that the winning will continue. They begin spending greater amounts of time and money on gambling.
* Losing phase – Problem gamblers become more and more preoccupied with gambling. They start to gamble alone, borrow money, skip work, lie to family and friends, and default on debts. They also begin to "chase" their losses: gambling in order to win back money that was lost.
* Desperation phase – Problem gamblers lose all control over their gambling. They feel ashamed and guilty after gambling, but they can’t stop. They may cheat or steal to finance their addiction. The consequences of compulsive gambling catch up with them: they may lose their jobs, get divorced, or get arrested.
* Hopeless phase – In the hopeless phase, problem gamblers hit “rock bottom.” They don’t believe that anyone cares or that help is possible. They don’t even care if they live or die. They may abuse drugs and alcohol to numb the pain. Many problem gamblers also consider or attempt suicide.

Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Nice try Vinnie, I am not a beginning player by any means, I've won several small buyin tourneys and maintained an overall profit year after year for the past 5 years. Im not thinking Im Phil Helmuth because I've won some smaller stakes tourneys by any means but I believe I have the right "ingredients" to take it to the next step. Im not gambling with grocery and rent money either, I have built up a decent bankroll thru both playing poker and my internet business.

Vinnie_Johnson
12-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Nice try Vinnie, I am not a beginning player by any means, I've won several small buyin tourneys and maintained an overall profit year after year for the past 5 years. Im not thinking Im Phil Helmuth because I've won some smaller stakes tourneys by any means but I believe I have the right "ingredients" to take it to the next step. Im not gambling with grocery and rent money either, I have built up a decent bankroll thru both playing poker and my internet business.

Cool just let us know were here if you need us:toast Just don't ask for money:lol

Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 10:27 PM
Its cool just dont ask me for any money when I win my first million.

Vinnie_Johnson
12-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Its cool just dont ask me for any money when I win my first million.

Have you been to Ellis Island?

1$ Beers and 6.99 10 oz Steaks

Slydragon
12-04-2008, 10:38 PM
So does that mean the stun guns you sell are now 70% off for ST members?

Heath Ledger
12-04-2008, 11:11 PM
Yes I've been to Ellis many times we used to stay at super8 a lot when we came here from Cali because we could bring our dog. They have pretty decent food and very cheap. They are not shy with their portion sizes, i still go there from time to time here.

TDMVPDPOY
12-04-2008, 11:39 PM
hey if you want to control ur nerves? use that as a bluff....

mexicanjunior
12-05-2008, 11:57 AM
After a two month dry spell in tourneys I decided to switch it up and play nothing but cash games, first few sessions I was up and down with a couple hundred dollar net loss. However the last few weeks Ive been taking it very serious playing good solid patient poker and have managed to rake in $3800 in $1 $2 NL Holdem sessions. This last week I have pocketed $1600 or so in cash games and I won a $42 tourney at the Sahara yesterday for $840(not chopped I didnt want to because i was 3.5 to 1 chip leader and thought I had an edge) Im still doing this part time for the moment however as the economy continues to pretty much suck, I believe there will be no shortage of degenerate fish and tourists coming into casinos to suck up money from so I'm thinking about attempting to play full time. Im aware of variance and I believe i was on the downside of that for a while and its swung the other way for the time being. Im not disillusioned thinking I'm some god or anything, just a solid player waiting for people to make mistakes against me. It can be a very boring style of play but I also can mix it up a bit when Ive built up my stack a bit.

So I'd like to get Manny's opinion on this, my passion is for tourneys (lower buyins at the moment) however I see more potential for steady income in cash games. Tourneys are however more exciting and offer potential for much larger pay days but your against huge fields so it takes an extreme amount of luck to even get to the final table.

Some positives I've got going for me if I do pursue this.

1. Level headed very seldom do I go on tilt, I do not wish to berate a player and educate him on his mistakes, when they suck out ive learned to say nice hand or well played sir to give them some positive reinforcement.

2. No problems with booze or drugs or prostitutes which is a huge problem here in Vegas with many top players/pros. Occasionally I will have a beer or two during a session, if nothing else than to calm the nerves a bit, but those nerves are pretty much going away as I gain more and more experience.

3. Im not a compulsive gambler outside of Poker i pretty much stay away from all other gaming, no slots, roulette, craps, blackjack (occasionally) and no sports book betting. These are major factors for many pros here as well, they do very well in poker and blow it on other gambling activities.

4. I can let go of a good hand which is one of the single most important skills in poker. Sure i get bluffed off hands sometimes however I do go with my reads if I've got a reason to.


Downsides
1. My biggest downside is sometimes playing until Im overtired and I start making some bad decisions, however I usually catchon to when I'm doing this so I'm taking that leak out of my game for the most part.


So Manny and other players what do you think? Id like to get some feedback from you. It is awesome to wake up any time day or night and know where to go to play some poker. It's equally as awesome to know I can put $200-$300 at risk for a session and walk away with $800-$1000+ for a couple hours of work.

You're living the dream man...I wish you luck. I also enjoy tournaments much more than cash games, mainly because the decisions are easier to make. It sounds like you have a very level head, so I'm sure it will turn out successful (unless you are just putting up a front and are Unger-ing all over the place)...

50 cent
12-05-2008, 09:55 PM
I would bet that Heath is a major donk.

Fabbs
12-05-2008, 11:59 PM
Heath,
I've also enjoyed a great December after November suckage. Flopping boats while others turned a straight, etc.

To me, since you already know all the basics, with Hold Em i think its emotionally important to remember how much of this game is chance. No doubt you saw the rest of ESPNs "World Series of Suck Outs". In addition to your 1 outer exodus (2 outer?), i saw plenty of other 2 outers. None of the big names even sniffed the top 20. What that tells me, along with my own playing experience is that so many do know the basics of Hold Em now that you just gotta be ready to roll with the suck outs and the card deadedness.

It does seem to be in large measure bankroll, those who can afford to see enough hands.

MannyIsGod
12-06-2008, 12:30 AM
My understanding is that 1-2 cash is pretty hard to make a living off of because (Live that is) of rake, tips, and low amount of hands. You're probably riding a wave up right now because I doubt you've seen very many hands in that stretch (30 hands an hour is low) but the games are still really really soft at that level live (from what I understand - I've never played in them there).

Good luck, I prefer cAsh way more because I've played it so much more and the decision making process is easier for me to wrap my mind around.

MannyIsGod
12-06-2008, 12:32 AM
Heath,
I've also enjoyed a great December after November suckage. Flopping boats while others turned a straight, etc.

To me, since you already know all the basics, with Hold Em i think its emotionally important to remember how much of this game is chance. No doubt you saw the rest of ESPNs "World Series of Suck Outs". In addition to your 1 outer exodus (2 outer?), i saw plenty of other 2 outers. None of the big names even sniffed the top 20. What that tells me, along with my own playing experience is that so many do know the basics of Hold Em now that you just gotta be ready to roll with the suck outs and the card deadedness.

It does seem to be in large measure bankroll, those who can afford to see enough hands.

In fields off 10,000 players the odds are againt you making it to the last 20 even if you are one of the best out there. There is luck in poker in the short term, and every tournament is short term.

MannyIsGod
12-06-2008, 12:32 AM
On that note - I'm not getting sucked into another ST poker thread. :lol

I'm back to my studying for finals.

Good luck at the tables.

Fabbs
12-06-2008, 03:49 AM
My understanding is that 1-2 cash is pretty hard to make a living off of because (Live that is) of rake, tips, and low amount of hands. You're probably riding a wave up right now because I doubt you've seen very many hands in that stretch (30 hands an hour is low) but the games are still really really soft at that level live (from what I understand - I've never played in them there).

Good luck, I prefer cAsh way more because I've played it so much more and the decision making process is easier for me to wrap my mind around.

Agree with Manuel. Heath where in the &^%$# are you getting big enough hands and callers to make $800-1000 in a couple hours at 1/2?

Dec cash games I've been going in with 100 even to start and have profitted
66
125
101
25
81
I consider this to be very good. And yes ini past times I've had the 100 in 350+ out days (along with a couple -250 reemings) so i dont see how you're getting that much action on the tables. Do tell Heath.

Tourneys in Dec i did
145 (chop)
-25 got impatient after my AJ got sucked out by A6 on the river, you know how it goes in those slow moving low entry tourneys. Nearing the bigger blinds, fairly low stack so with A4 suited i went all in expecting either no one to call or my Ace to be a coinflip with Pairees. Guy behind me had 10s and they held up.

Heath Ledger
12-06-2008, 05:13 AM
Tonight I played for 3 hours $1 $2 NL left up $225, was up $370 at one time then stayed a little to long got caught up in hands that i normally dont. This happens when Im tired.

Im much aware of the odds, i just seem to be exploiting very weak players by playing very tight and raising the timid people who fold, if they play back at me I know they have the nuts, there are just so many players who call off their stack with crap cards, crap kickers and out of position. Post flop I maker some very good reads and can get away from hands if I sense I'm beat. If i sit at a table and it's like watching paint dry I will leave after 2 hours or so to take a break and or find a new table or casino.

Regarding tourneys, its next to impossible for even the best players to turn a profit, most pros make their profits via cash games, the risk to reward ratio is what I love about tourneys. You can risk very little with a chance to win a lot. In the last year i've won 6 or 7 tourneys at the Sahara, a few were no chops, a few chopped and many other final table cashes. However Im starting to feel a lot more excited about cash games, i know I will see swings, but I have a knack of keeping out of a ton of marginal situations, I play like a rock so I can pull off some well timed bluffs as well. Im not disillusioned that things will be as good as they have been forever however I believe by playing solid poker and choosing my spots with agression with my reads I can grind out a decent income playing poker. So what Im going through is a combination of getting some good cards but also making good reads and agressive plays against weak players.

Tonight I had dudes calling me with hands like j4 offsuit and ace 2 off suit out of postion, its crazy just how bad some players are but when you see them you drool and try to enter as many pots cheaply with them as you can waiting for them to stack off with a dominated hand. I play at touristy casinos where the room rates are bargains, they draw in big fish and people playing with scared money. There are also some pesky locals that show up but you just try to not bump heads with them too much unless you are strong. There was one really solid player there tonight and I pretty much dominated him.

Heath Ledger
12-06-2008, 05:19 AM
Another thing, I have a buddy here who is playing a 2-5 no limit game here and we are much on par in skills and he has been killing the 2-5 game at the venetian, so I'm thinking about moving up and testing the waters there as well.

Heath Ledger
12-07-2008, 12:20 PM
And it continues, last night I played 3 hours in a $1 $2 NL game. I bought in for $200 cashed out with $853! This was at the flamingo, i play there a lot because its a bargain casino, (cheap room rates)lots of casual players who drink and a lot playing with scared money. Table selection is important in cash games and its pretty easy to look for one with these sorts of people.

Fabbs
12-09-2008, 03:29 AM
At a 10 handed table, what are the odds of one player drawing AA and one other player KK? 2. Heath Manny anyone, have you ever known of sleazeballs acting in collusion who slip each other an Ace? Swap cards to give the other one rockets.

RRRRRRrrrrrrrrrr. You can guess what i drew. I reraised him preflop. He didnt bet big, 10.

Heath where is this place and what time should i be there?
If your friend of equal playing is tearing it up at the 2/5 and you can get in the same circumstances he does, go for it. What are you waiting for?
So is he making 4 grand a night?

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-09-2008, 07:39 AM
After a two month dry spell in tourneys I decided to switch it up and play nothing but cash games, first few sessions I was up and down with a couple hundred dollar net loss. However the last few weeks Ive been taking it very serious playing good solid patient poker and have managed to rake in $3800 in $1 $2 NL Holdem sessions. This last week I have pocketed $1600 or so in cash games and I won a $42 tourney at the Sahara yesterday for $840(not chopped I didnt want to because i was 3.5 to 1 chip leader and thought I had an edge) Im still doing this part time for the moment however as the economy continues to pretty much suck, I believe there will be no shortage of degenerate fish and tourists coming into casinos to suck up money from so I'm thinking about attempting to play full time. Im aware of variance and I believe i was on the downside of that for a while and its swung the other way for the time being. Im not disillusioned thinking I'm some god or anything, just a solid player waiting for people to make mistakes against me. It can be a very boring style of play but I also can mix it up a bit when Ive built up my stack a bit.

So I'd like to get Manny's opinion on this, my passion is for tourneys (lower buyins at the moment) however I see more potential for steady income in cash games. Tourneys are however more exciting and offer potential for much larger pay days but your against huge fields so it takes an extreme amount of luck to even get to the final table.

Some positives I've got going for me if I do pursue this.

1. Level headed very seldom do I go on tilt, I do not wish to berate a player and educate him on his mistakes, when they suck out ive learned to say nice hand or well played sir to give them some positive reinforcement.

2. No problems with booze or drugs or prostitutes which is a huge problem here in Vegas with many top players/pros. Occasionally I will have a beer or two during a session, if nothing else than to calm the nerves a bit, but those nerves are pretty much going away as I gain more and more experience.

3. Im not a compulsive gambler outside of Poker i pretty much stay away from all other gaming, no slots, roulette, craps, blackjack (occasionally) and no sports book betting. These are major factors for many pros here as well, they do very well in poker and blow it on other gambling activities.

4. I can let go of a good hand which is one of the single most important skills in poker. Sure i get bluffed off hands sometimes however I do go with my reads if I've got a reason to.


Downsides
1. My biggest downside is sometimes playing until Im overtired and I start making some bad decisions, however I usually catchon to when I'm doing this so I'm taking that leak out of my game for the most part.


So Manny and other players what do you think? Id like to get some feedback from you. It is awesome to wake up any time day or night and know where to go to play some poker. It's equally as awesome to know I can put $200-$300 at risk for a session and walk away with $800-$1000+ for a couple hours of work.

We have a very similar philosophy of poker, Heath, and even a similar weakness. I typically only lose when playing tired, which I did down in Melbourne last weekend and retaught myself that lesson. When you're solid but not great you have to play to your strengths.

It sounds to me like your table selection is what's making you a lot of money.

Good luck with it and keep us informed.

Heath Ledger
12-10-2008, 12:18 PM
Table selection is definitely a very important part of my success, when I walk in to the casino I look for drunks, loose players, and old people. The other night I walked into the Flamingo where I like to play and did not find a suitable table and left to play in a tourney at the Sahara instead. I also have a few dealers that give me a nod if its a good table to sit at sometimes, they know I generally tip very well. Regarding the aces vs kings at the same time not sure of the stats on that but it is extremely rare. Ive been on both ends of that one, usually the money goes all in on the flop.

Heres what I like to do preflop, say I raise first with aces, i then get reraised, I will just call the reraise then check the flop if its not a scary board that is, wait for him to raise then snap his neck off, they usually won't get away from their kings especially if its an overpair and then you stack them.

MannyIsGod
12-10-2008, 01:59 PM
Is it really possible to misplay aces when they have kings? Is it really possible to misplay aces or kings for that matter?

mexicanjunior
12-10-2008, 03:30 PM
Is it really possible to misplay aces when they have kings? Is it really possible to misplay aces or kings for that matter?

It is post flop...

MannyIsGod
12-10-2008, 04:09 PM
It is post flop...

Yeah if you're super deep and have an excellent read. At a 1-2 table Aces play themselves. You get your stack in ASAP and you live with the results. Its impossible to misplay them.

I doubt anyone at Heath's tables is 100bb deep for the most part, must less any amount to where you'd actually have to decide.

EDIT - actually it is possible to misplay them - you could fold them.

Fabbs
12-10-2008, 06:19 PM
AA raised 10 preflop acting ahead of me. I reraised all in, but at that time i only had 56 chips. Knew i could get snapped off by AA, figured the odds were very slim my KKs were vs AA on the same hand. Oh well, i got snapped.

I would not do that with a huge stack vs huge stack. Was kinda bored, acquiring hours for a freeroll coming up in Dec. Similiar theme Heath, get tired/bored and the decisionmaking skills go down.

Anywho great idea on tipping the dealers well and they in turn will give the "nod" as to where the fish are. Excellent.

Manuel, Heath, Ruff when you draw low pocket pairs and do not set on the flop, how much do you pay to see the turn? River? I know thats a real open ended question i just mean in general. Early on the same night i did not chase a set twice. Both times would have hit big vs Loosey Goosey with his pair and Loosey2 chasing his 4 flopped flush. However i would have had to fork out to get my set. Not huge, but enough that i let the odds push me out. After that went card dead. Thus i ask.....

mexicanjunior
12-10-2008, 06:25 PM
Yeah if you're super deep and have an excellent read. At a 1-2 table Aces play themselves. You get your stack in ASAP and you live with the results. Its impossible to misplay them.


I'm speaking more in terms of tournament play, I don't play alot of cash games. If I have AA and slow play preflop with several callers, then see alot of scare cards on the flop (straight or flush combos), which is followed by tons of agression by the other players...I seriously consider letting my aces go instead of trying to draw against a possibly made hand. It's rare I know, but happens...

mexicanjunior
12-10-2008, 06:28 PM
Manuel, Heath, Ruff when you draw low pocket pairs and do not set on the flop, how much do you pay to see the turn?.....

Depends on the bankroll to me but I rarely "chase" sets post flop, the percentages are just too low if overcards are on the board...

Heath Ledger
12-10-2008, 06:32 PM
Yeah if you're super deep and have an excellent read. At a 1-2 table Aces play themselves. You get your stack in ASAP and you live with the results. Its impossible to misplay them.

I doubt anyone at Heath's tables is 100bb deep for the most part, must less any amount to where you'd actually have to decide.

EDIT - actually it is possible to misplay them - you could fold them.

Actually in the $1 $2 NL most people buy in for $200 or $300(max) casual players buy in for $100 those guys are usually easy to bully, if they come out raising guess what? they have a hand and u fold.

I will buy in for $200 most times feel the table out for a good hour or so if i get down to $100 i bump up to $300, if there are several deep stacks at the table I willl buy in for the max, if theres a huge stack and he look sleepy or drunk I'll buy in for the max.

People misplay aces all the time, they try to slowplay them with scary boards post flop. I had a lady who had pocket aces I had KJ on the button. I had raised to $12 preflop, she smooth calls, flop comes queen 10 8, she throws out a 15 bet, I call, turn is blank, she bets $20 I call, river is guess what a 9, she then tries to drop the "hammer" with a $40 bet, I reraise her all in for another $80 and stack her with my straight.

For the most part I will play aces very straight forward however if there are one or two loose players who act after me I may limp in in hopes of a raise and a reraise, sometimes they try to pop me again and I'll snap their neck off. Occasionally this backfires and they limp behind and get to see a flop cheaply and possibly outflop me.

MannyIsGod
12-11-2008, 04:27 AM
I'm speaking more in terms of tournament play, I don't play alot of cash games. If I have AA and slow play preflop with several callers, then see alot of scare cards on the flop (straight or flush combos), which is followed by tons of agression by the other players...I seriously consider letting my aces go instead of trying to draw against a possibly made hand. It's rare I know, but happens...

Man I take it back, it is possible to misplay aces. Slowplaying preflop with lots of callers is usually pretty bad.

MannyIsGod
12-11-2008, 04:30 AM
Actually in the $1 $2 NL most people buy in for $200 or $300(max) casual players buy in for $100 those guys are usually easy to bully, if they come out raising guess what? they have a hand and u fold.

I will buy in for $200 most times feel the table out for a good hour or so if i get down to $100 i bump up to $300, if there are several deep stacks at the table I willl buy in for the max, if theres a huge stack and he look sleepy or drunk I'll buy in for the max.

People misplay aces all the time, they try to slowplay them with scary boards post flop. I had a lady who had pocket aces I had KJ on the button. I had raised to $12 preflop, she smooth calls, flop comes queen 10 8, she throws out a 15 bet, I call, turn is blank, she bets $20 I call, river is guess what a 9, she then tries to drop the "hammer" with a $40 bet, I reraise her all in for another $80 and stack her with my straight.

For the most part I will play aces very straight forward however if there are one or two loose players who act after me I may limp in in hopes of a raise and a reraise, sometimes they try to pop me again and I'll snap their neck off. Occasionally this backfires and they limp behind and get to see a flop cheaply and possibly outflop me.

Yeah, I'm not folding on any flop with aces in a 100bb deep game. If someone has a set then they're getting my entire stack. By the turn and river I should have too much in the pot to fold anyway if I've done my job right.

Fabbs you worry way too much about being outdraw and focus on that. I promise you if you're not winning at poker it has nothing to do with KK/AA preflop or people hitting other types of coolers on you. There are probably leaks in your game where you lose 15BB here and 10BB there which hurts you more in the end than any one bad beat.

MannyIsGod
12-11-2008, 04:30 AM
I got sucked in when I should be writing. Damn you, Heath!! :shakes fist:

I haven't played in like a week so I'm kinda jonesin. I had a really really really bad November so I decided to go on "vacation" so I wouldn't press so hard. I'll be back at it this weekend though.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-11-2008, 07:48 AM
Depends on the bankroll to me but I rarely "chase" sets post flop, the percentages are just too low if overcards are on the board...

Same here. Only caveat is if it flops mid-low and you can bluff people that you have the overpair (acting late).

As for AAs, I want it all in pre-flop if at all possible. Then, no matter what the outcome, I did the right thing. An annoying number of people in 200 buy-in games are chasing mid and low pairs to big pre-flop raises and hitting their sets, but at least I played it right!

AA vs KK - seen it many, many times. On the worst poker day I've ever had (in Vegas on my last trip to the US), I had KK beaten 3 times by AA all-in pre flop, and JJ flop J42 rainbow flop, all in after flop, beaten by AJ (yup, runner runner AA) on the bubble of a tournament. That was not a fun day. :lol

mexicanjunior
12-11-2008, 11:01 AM
Man I take it back, it is possible to misplay aces. Slowplaying preflop with lots of callers is usually pretty bad.

Agreed...if I'm in early position, I will usually make a healthy bet to protect my bullets and push it all in if played back at. My scenario was not how I play aces now, just an example of what I have seen and did early on before I got burned 1 too many times...

MannyIsGod
12-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Agreed...if I'm in early position, I will usually make a healthy bet to protect my bullets and push it all in if played back at. My scenario was not how I play aces now, just an example of what I have seen and did early on before I got burned 1 too many times...

Actually I think playing them slowly in late position is far worse than in EP (although playing them slow in EP is really really bad at these stackes - especially when playing with passive players)

In LP - I'm raising a LOT of hands and I'm 3 betting a large range of hands as well. Playing slow in late position just murders the advantages of this style and is usually bad even if you play less aggressivly (and if you're doing this you're leaving money on table - LP = aggression for every winning player).

The only time I'll do something different is when I'm playing against a person I know who loves to spew a lot post flop or if I've been playing very bluffy on the flop but those are very specific circumstances.

mexicanjunior
12-11-2008, 11:21 AM
In LP - I'm raising a LOT of hands and I'm 3 betting a large range of hands as well. Playing slow in late position just murders the advantages of this style and is usually bad even if you play less aggressivly (and if you're doing this you're leaving money on table - LP = aggression for every winning player).


This advice is probably great for cash games but I haven't seen it work very well in tournament play, especially in high # of player tournaments (like I usually play). This type of agression early on is usually a quick way to be sent out, it's more for later in the tournament when stacks get healthier and more players are shelling up waiting for the money...

MannyIsGod
12-11-2008, 11:34 AM
This advice is probably great for cash games but I haven't seen it work very well in tournament play, especially in high # of player tournaments (like I usually play). This type of agression early on is usually a quick way to be sent out, it's more for later in the tournament when stacks get healthier and more players are shelling up waiting for the money...

Yeah I don't know. I suck at donkaments.

Fabbs
12-12-2008, 02:55 AM
Ahh, how every session should start.
Small blind.
Flopped a straight with straight flush potential.
Shoved in 20, one caller who flopped two pair Aces over.
Turn rag no help to either. I jammed all in, he called.
River no help to him.
100 in, 200 back 1st hand.
Also dealt by fine assed polynesian gal and i sat in chair 10.

Heath Ledger
01-10-2009, 07:43 AM
Finally resumed playing cash games after a holiday hiatus and I picked right up where I left off. $1 $2NL bought in for $300 after 10.5 hours of play I walked with $1045 No BS.

I had pocket aces 4 times in that stretch all four times i flopped trips it was unbelievable. I also had queens twice that flopped trips. Needless to say a monkey could play my cards, i did suffer a bad beat or two but nothing to bad. I was stuck $260 at one point and grinded my way back up to $1100 plus at one point, when i realized i was getting too hungry and tired I got my ass up.

By the way thats 6 straight sessions leaving up $200 or more and 7 of 8 sessions doing the same.

Heath Ledger
01-12-2009, 04:16 PM
I just pulled a 19 hour poker session at the flamingo. I won $487 in cash games and I chopped the morning poker tournament for $500 (my share)

Tell me I must be on to something......

Fabbs
01-19-2009, 10:15 PM
KK vs QQ all in preflop sucked out on by a river Queen. %$#@$ 90 bucks cash game.

Flopped trip 666, farking straight chasing bingo suck gets turn and river to give him runner runner straight. Fark! I hate suck outs!! Okay this was only a $15 tourney entry fee but still.

Heath you are on an unreal roll. are you still playing at the drunken tourist fishy tables?

TDMVPDPOY
01-19-2009, 10:44 PM
I just pulled a 19 hour poker session at the flamingo. I won $487 in cash games and I chopped the morning poker tournament for $500 (my share)

Tell me I must be on to something......

how many pills you pop that night?

Heath Ledger
01-27-2009, 08:29 PM
Just clocked in 14 hours left up $604. Up over $1200 for the week. Up over $4200 for the month. Not bad for a side job.

Plust I've logged in over $200 in comps to spend on food, drinks, rooms etc.

thispego
01-27-2009, 08:51 PM
picked up a check last friday for 325, about 25 hours for the week. went to the other job and picked up another check for about 280. made about 1500 over the last week and a half. not bad for a job. i'll keep you updated.

InRareForm
01-28-2009, 12:42 AM
hate to intterupt, but i am in a free contest that was for the weeks of the nfl playoffs at betjamaica.com, and I got a chance to win 2k or more on superbowl sunday. not too bad for a free contest.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/Spurs19992003/betjamaica.jpg

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/Spurs19992003/topprizes.jpg

TDMVPDPOY
01-28-2009, 02:22 AM
oi heath or any gamblers out there

do you guys watch chinese/hk movies? like chow yun fats god of gamblers 1+2+3, or saint of gamblers 1.....

i swear all the asians who have seen it, act like they are king of gamblers with the slick hairstyle and chocolate, walking into the casinos with the tune of the final countdown in there heads....hahahahahha

to21
01-28-2009, 09:14 AM
picked up a check last friday for 325, about 25 hours for the week. went to the other job and picked up another check for about 280. made about 1500 over the last week and a half. not bad for a job. i'll keep you updated.:rollin

to21
01-28-2009, 09:15 AM
Won $1200 in my fantasy league....not bad for fantasy football.

to21
01-28-2009, 09:18 AM
Set up a web and mail server for a lawyer. Logged in four hours......made $1700. Not bad for a side job.

TDMVPDPOY
01-28-2009, 09:47 AM
Set up a web and mail server for a lawyer. Logged in four hours......made $1700. Not bad for a side job.

does the lawyer wanna make more money? insert more porn advertising links :D:D

to21
01-28-2009, 09:58 AM
Also killed it at our poker game after the last MMA pay-per view fight.

Made 80 dollars, not bad for almost two hours.

TDMVPDPOY
01-28-2009, 10:00 AM
Also killed it at our poker game after the last MMA pay-per view fight.

Made 80 dollars, not bad for almost two hours.

you couldve just put it all on black and walk away for the result or just keep on walking if it lands on red....

to21
01-28-2009, 10:32 AM
lol

Heath Ledger
01-28-2009, 05:42 PM
Played today for about 5 hours walked away up $226. Started out pretty bad I quickly was down $300 but grinded my way back. Im about to start playing full time. I definitely ain't your average $1 $2 NL poker player. Fell my wrath, any of you are welcome to come by the Flamingo just be sure to bring lots of money. And to TIMVP I haven't seen those movies, but they sound interesting.

Heath Ledger
01-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Played 5 hours at the Flamingo this morning won $700.00. Damn there are so many tourists in town for the superbowl, i may be able to buy a motorcycle when this weekend is over. Just bought a new Iphone today.

TDMVPDPOY
01-31-2009, 12:33 AM
my old man has another good run as of late....mom and sister away overseas again....his been cleanin it up lately 1k a night not bad. I was going to tell my mom about it or else shes going to ask him for money again lol....

my dad has come up with the theory if you wanna be successful at the casinos, you have to give up these 3 things:
1. women - when ur winning, hoes will come to you and rub ur nutt for money...you see plenty of them at the casinos...ur better off going to a brothel then spending money on these gold diggers. if you spend money on these hoes, expect to be broke ass.

2. friends - there are no friends at the casinos....when ur winning they will ask you for money...or they standing behind you talkin shit again...its like a bad vibe puts you off ur concentration whatever game ur playing.

3. wife - never goto a casino with ur wife...cause you know when either partner is winning and wants to go home, the one thats losing wants to stay back and try to recover, or the losin partner will ask the winner for money...then maybe at the end of the night ur winning or broke.

Fabbs
02-13-2009, 12:24 PM
No where near breathing the same air you are Heath but still a nice pot....

Started out on the 80NL table as nothing else was open. The usual Bingo Bettys, I'm down to 50 and getting frustrated but hit a few small-medium pots and get up to 90 and then a seat opens at 200NL (they let you in short if the table is short). 1st had i get pocket queens, raise to 20. Flop turn and river is all rags so i just kept bumping 20. Asian chick goes with me all the way chasing her straight and i win. Ahh, some capitol to work with as i now have about 180.

200NL 2/3 continued.
Drew 5/8 spades. 1st to act went 20. Me in the middle called, so did 3rd and last to act. 3 players.

Flop 4 spade 6 spade 4 diamond. 1st went 40. Hmmn does someone have a suckout boat or two spades with a better flush draw then my 8? Then again I've got a straight flush draw so can i really lay it down? Yes i can, that crap hits like once in a century plus there is no high hand promotion. So i hang with my straight and flush draw. 3rd guy also just calls.

Turn is 7 hearts.
1st went all in with remaining 51 chips. (I busted him earlier with pocket 2s that tripped his top two pair) I called with my straight.
3rd and last went reraise all in 151 chips. Hmmn does he have the boat (or boat potential on the river), or a better flush draw then me? I smell a buy the pot attempt or figure he has trip 4s with a good kicker so he figures thats good enough. I call.

Dont remember what the river was but anyways..

Turns out he (3rd) had pocket pair (99) with board pair for two pair.
1st had trip 4s.
Pot was like 467 with mine included.

Went on break. Came back and the table had busted. The 200/500 table had no openings so went to the 80 table. Grinded 40 more and called it a night.

TDMVPDPOY
02-22-2009, 09:27 PM
you know a gambling addict when they ask you for money and you reject them

you know one when you come home to find ur money box is stolen

fukn hell i just came home to check my money box to deposit the money into a bank acct....about 3-4k taken from that box all proceeds from babysitting 2 yrs, fkn pissn me off....i think i know who took it....

ps. i swear i hate living with dumb kents whose IQ is below of a fkn dog, who think they belong up top of the hierarchy.

Heath Ledger
02-23-2009, 03:09 AM
Im now playing pretty much full time, had my first losing week in 2 months last week, however this week i have rebounded nicely and I'm up $1300 in only 4 sessions.

Im playing 40-50ish hours a week at the moment. WIll be playing in a few events in this years World Series of Poker, will update you guys on that when the time comes.

God damn its easy money, can be very boring sometimes hours without playing cuz I'm card dead but these tourists have no problems just donating to me. They dont pay attention to the fact Im pretty tight and when I'm betting at them they pretty much are in deep shit and must suck out to beat me.

Rogue
02-23-2009, 07:46 AM
congrats you on winning Oscar, May God bless you Heath Ledger

Heath Ledger
02-23-2009, 05:40 PM
In honor of Heath Ledgers Oscar I will be changing my screen name. Just have to come up with something.