Will CFB playoff proponents get their wish?

[2centsworth]

If Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas beats Ohio State will the final polls be

Oklahoma #1 and Texas #2?

[Blake]

If Florida squeaks a win over OU (like 10-7) and UT pounds the heck out of Ohio St, if the votes go a certain way, it's possible that UT could somehow wind up with a share of the national title.

[chrisattsu]

If Florida squeaks a win over OU (like 10-7) and UT pounds the heck out of Ohio St, if the votes go a certain way, it's possible that UT could somehow wind up with a share of the national title.

Is that a question or a statement?

[romad_20]

If Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas beats Ohio State will the final polls be

Oklahoma #1 and Texas #2?


Probably not. Remember last year had LSU #1, UGA#2, USC#3, all with 2 losses and none played each other. All 3 killed their opponents in the BCS games.
The BCS does nothing every year except highlight the need for a playoff and it will continue to do so. No one is going to change because of the money involved.

[Blake]

Is that a question or a statement?

um.....are you seeing a question mark in that sentence that I'm not?

[2centsworth]

If Florida squeaks a win over OU (like 10-7) and UT pounds the heck out of Ohio St, if the votes go a certain way, it's possible that UT could somehow wind up with a share of the national title.

The BCS is the only official championship.

Oklahoma finishing #1 and Texas #2 would highlight how screwed up the system is.

[Blake]

crap. I just read the article today and now I can't find it....

[J.T.]

crap. I just read the article today and now I can't find it....

This one?


Texas title could come from AP

By RALPH D. RUSSO, AP College Football Writer Dec 2, 9:23 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP)—The best chance Texas has to be crowned national champion this season likely lies with the members of the media who vote in The Associated Press college football poll.

The Longhorns are the latest team to feel slighted by the Bowl Championship Series, though the twist this time was coach Mack Brown’s team has the Big 12 to blame as much as the BCS standings.

Oklahoma, which lost 45-35 to Texas in October, slipped ahead of the Longhorns in the latest BCS standings and earned a spot in the Big 12 title game against Missouri on Saturday.

The Big 12 had to go to its fifth tiebreaker, best BCS ranking, to break a three-way tie in its South Division between Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech. All had 11-1 records. Oklahoma beat Texas Tech and Texas Tech beat Texas.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the conference will reassess the tiebreaker in the offseason.

“Any tiebreaker system is difficult and will leave teams disappointed,” he said. “When the tiebreaker was written I was not in the league but they wanted to put in the team that had the best chance to play in the national championship game.”

The tiebreaker not only put the Sooners in position to win the league championship, but a win against Missouri virtually guarantees Oklahoma a spot in the BCS national title game in Miami on Jan. 8 against the winner of the Southeastern Conference championship.

But Texas still has hope.

“There is a lot left out there to play for and crazy things happen all the time in college football so who knows where we’ll end up,” Longhorns quarterback Colt McCoy said late Sunday night.

If Missouri beats Oklahoma, Texas is the presumptive next-in-line to reach the BCS title game. The Tigers (9-3) don’t seem to be up to the task of stopping the Sooners, who have scored at least 60 points in their last four games.

Missouri is a 17-point underdog, and its only two losses last season were to Oklahoma.

Depending on the Tigers leaves the Longhorns a long shot to get to Miami.

Texas might be better off turning its attention to the AP poll.

If Alabama were to win the BCS title game, the Tide would be undefeated and undisputed national champs. Florida goes into the SEC title game ranked second in the AP poll, so logic dictates the Gators would jump to No. 1 by beating the Tide and stay there if they win the BCS championship game.

Texas was No. 3 in the last AP Top 25, ahead of Oklahoma by eight points. Unlike USA Today coaches’ poll voters, who are required to put the BCS championship game winner No. 1 on their final ballots, the 65 AP voters don’t have to put the winner of that game on top of their final ballots.

So if Oklahoma wins out, and Texas wins its bowl game, presumably the Fiesta Bowl against Ohio State or maybe Utah, do the 40 AP voters who had Texas ahead of Oklahoma last week—most by one spot— keep the Longhorns ahead of the Sooners when the final poll comes out in the wee hours of the morning on Jan. 9?

The answer, of course, is maybe.

“It’s possible I could vote Texas No. 1, but it’s far too early to say,” Tom Keegan of the Lawrence Journal World in Nebraska said in an e-mail to the AP. “I had Texas No. 2, Oklahoma No. 3 and it was a tough call. They are so close in my mind that whichever team plays better from this point forward likely will be the one I rank higher.”

Several other voters had similar answers.

“I would look at it as co-national championship games,” Doug Segrest of The Birmingham News said, referring to the BCS title game and the Fiesta Bowl.

At least two voters, Craig James of ABC and Randy Rosetta of the Baton Rouge Advocate in Louisiana, said if Oklahoma and Texas each win their remaining games, they would keep the Longhorns in front of the Sooners because of what happened at the Cotton Bowl on Oct. 11.

“Sure OU will have beaten (Missouri), but so did Texas convincingly,” James said in an e-mail. “Then, both schools will have beaten strong competition in their bowl game. So, I can’t get past the head-to-head victory by the Longhorns. I don’t have to guess or assume anything.”

Glenn Guilbeau of the Gannett Louisiana News Service said he felt Texas deserved the nod over Oklahoma in the Big 12 tiebreaker, but he’d be inclined not to hold it against Oklahoma if the Sooners went on to beat Florida or Alabama.

“Two wrongs,” he said in an e-mail, “don’t make a right.”

[Blake]

thank you sir, that's close enough.

The coaches poll is bound by the BCS rules.......the AP poll is not.

It is a long shot, but a shot nevertheless that some pollers feel that UT might be #1.

[2centsworth]

The AP is not an official championship. College football only recognizes the BCS. However, whatever works for USC should work for UT.

If Oklahoma wins and so does Texas, I'm willing to say UT will probably get the AP nod.

[j-6]

However, whatever works for USC should work for UT.

There's some irony. All of us Texas fans mocking the SC ''threepeat'' try would completely legitimize that 03 Trojan team.

[Thunder Dan]

why do people spend so much time bitching about a playoff? There won't be a playoff, everyone knows the system going into the season and if it really bothers you that much stop watching college football. The system sucks, teams will get screwed but you know that in August and you still choose to watch it.

Plus, other than getting a t-shit, there is no point in a National Championship. It's not like a Super Bowl, or World Series. There will always we Co-champs dating back to the beginning of college football. It's the nature of the sport, but obviously it doesn't stop people from watching it

[Blake]

why do people spend so much time bitching about a playoff? There won't be a playoff, everyone knows the system going into the season and if it really bothers you that much stop watching college football. The system sucks, teams will get screwed but you know that in August and you still choose to watch it.

Plus, other than getting a t-shit, there is no point in a National Championship. It's not like a Super Bowl, or World Series. There will always we Co-champs dating back to the beginning of college football. It's the nature of the sport, but obviously it doesn't stop people from watching it

that's one of the lamest posts ever.

[Thunder Dan]

that's one of the lamest posts ever.

no it's sad and pathetic that people bitch about a playoff every December. I want a playoff too, but it's not going to happen so I don't waste my time arguing about it. Obviously it's the obvious thing to do, but it's not going to happen. I know the rules in August, so I don't get worked up about it come December

[Blake]

no, it's lame.

I'm not going to stop watching college football just because it bothers me that there should be a playoff system.

If people didn't ever gripe about it, we'd still be having AP writers vote on which of two teams playing in two separate bowls should be the national champ.

[Thunder Dan]

no, it's lame.

I'm not going to stop watching college football just because it bothers me that there should be a playoff system.

If people didn't ever gripe about it, we'd still be having AP writers vote on which of two teams playing in two separate bowls should be the national champ.

but it's every single December, enough already, it's not going to change. Enjoy College football for what it is, or stop watching it. We have had co National Champions for over 75 years, it sucks but thats the way it is

[j-6]

no, it's lame.

I'm not going to stop watching college football just because it bothers me that there should be a playoff system.

If people didn't ever gripe about it, we'd still be having AP writers vote on which of two teams playing in two separate bowls should be the national champ.

I'm as vocal of a playoff-backer as you're going to find, but it's almost as much fun bitching about all of this than the actual round-of-whatever may provide. My team wound up with the short end this year and I am trying to make my peace with it.

Blake is right - the season is the thrill. But we've already shown that myriad computers and biased coaches don't prove shit and now I understand why the AP doesn't want to participate.

[Blake]

Enjoy College football for what it is, or stop watching it.

That is utterly ridiculous.

[Kermit]

Texas's only chance of getting an AP #1 would've been to play and utterly defeat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while having OU defeat Florida. Kicking the crap out of a shitty Ohio State team isn't going to impress anyone.

[Blake]

Texas's only chance of getting an AP #1 would've been to play and utterly defeat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while having OU defeat Florida. Kicking the crap out of a shitty Ohio State team isn't going to impress anyone.

that's a good point

[johngateswhiteley]

The AP is not an official championship. College football only recognizes the BCS. However, whatever works for USC should work for UT.

thats incorrect. i'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about.

[johngateswhiteley]

Texas's only chance of getting an AP #1 would've been to play and utterly defeat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while having OU defeat Florida. Kicking the crap out of a shitty Ohio State team isn't going to impress anyone.

i think t.u. beats ohio state, but i bet its closer than people think.

[ClingingMars]

why do people spend so much time bitching about a playoff? There won't be a playoff, everyone knows the system going into the season and if it really bothers you that much stop watching college football. The system sucks, teams will get screwed but you know that in August and you still choose to watch it.it

or just watch the FCS ;)

-Mars

[2centsworth]

thats incorrect. i'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about.

you guys crack me up. the lengths you guys go to to claim a championship. Do you claim an '05 championship because Harris ranked you #1?:lol If so, I guess you guys fourpeated. :lmao

[johngateswhiteley]

you guys crack me up. the lengths you guys go to to claim a championship. Do you claim an '05 championship because Harris ranked you #1?:lol If so, I guess you guys fourpeated. :lmao

no.

"the lengths you guys go to..." again, you must not follow CFB or this forum.

[Blake]

does anyone else sing "johhhhngateswhitely jingle heimer shmidt, his name his my name too...."

or is it just me

[2centsworth]

no.

"the lengths you guys go to..." again, you must not follow CFB or this forum.

I'm a casual follower of CFB:lmao. spit it out man, what are you trying to say about your team?

[samikeyp]

The AP is not an official championship. College football only recognizes the BCS. However, whatever works for USC should work for UT.

If Oklahoma wins and so does Texas, I'm willing to say UT will probably get the AP nod.

Actually they recognize both.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football-fbs.html