Texas Longhorns AP National Champion?

[tonylongoriafan]

i see texas ending up as the AP's #1 ranked team at the end of the season.

would you recognize Texas as a co-national champion? a lot of people were talking shit about USC when they were claiming to be national champions when LSU won the BCS game in what, 2004?...including me, my argument was the BCS is flawed but it's the system in place and everything else is not the national championship...

...sooooooo, as a Longhorn fan, the shoe is on the other foot. mccoy said he's coming back and texas will have another good look at it next year...we will all be saying "Texas going for back to back national titles" ?

[Dr. Gonzo]

i see texas ending up as the AP's #1 ranked team at the end of the season.

would you recognize Texas as a co-national champion? a lot of people were talking shit about USC when they were claiming to be national champions when LSU won the BCS game in what, 2004?...including me, my argument was the BCS is flawed but it's the system in place and everything else is not the national championship...

...sooooooo, as a Longhorn fan, the shoe is on the other foot. mccoy said he's coming back and texas will have another good look at it next year...we will all be saying "Texas going for back to back national titles" ?

Yes. Texas fans will be saying that although they made fun of USC for years about their AP championship. It is hypocritical.

[J.T.]

Nah, if Texas wins the AP's national championship, it will be cool and all but the BCS championship is the one everyone wants.

[Extra Stout]

Wait... if Texas is #3 behind Oklahoma and Florida, and Oklahoma and Florida are playing one another, how exactly is Texas going to leapfrog the winner to finish #1? By beating a two-loss Ohio State team that got blown out by USC? Or are the voters going to pick them just out of spite?

[tonylongoriafan]

Wait... if Texas is #3 behind Oklahoma and Florida, and Oklahoma and Florida are playing one another, how exactly is Texas going to leapfrog the winner to finish #1? By beating a two-loss Ohio State team that got blown out by USC? Or are the voters going to pick them just out of spite?

i'm going with spite...they've already picked mccoy as big 12 offensive player of the year when the consensus is sam bradford...they like to go against the grain

[leemajors]

UT still has a game left.

[samikeyp]

Yes. Those Texas fans that will be saying that although they made fun of USC for years about their AP championship would be being hypocritical.

FIFY


Nah, if Texas wins the AP's national championship, it will be cool and all but the BCS championship is the one everyone wants.

Exactly.

[J.T.]

Honestly I'd rather see Texas in Pasadena next year than getting any share of this year's title. You know McCoy will probably bulk up another 15-20 lbs and by then he'll be at that NFL-ready size everyone says he's not quite at yet. Kid is going to set unbreakable school records next year, and if he wins the Heisman this year he'll have nothing left to do but win the BCS championship. Oklahoma probably won't be as good next year when they lose all of those 340+ pound senior linesmen and Bradford actually gets pressured, but hey I'm sure the University of Oklahoma has purchased its own Taco Bell franchise and has its redshirt linesmen eating six square meals a day there to get them up to size. If anything they're at least getting to the Fourthmeal.

[IronMexican]

Honestly I'd rather see Texas in Pasadena next year than getting any share of this year's title. You know McCoy will probably bulk up another 15-20 lbs and by then he'll be at that NFL-ready size everyone says he's not quite at yet. Kid is going to set unbreakable school records next year, and if he wins the Heisman this year he'll have nothing left to do but win the BCS championship. Oklahoma probably won't be as good next year when they lose all of those 340+ pound senior linesmen and Bradford actually gets pressured, but hey I'm sure the University of Oklahoma has purchased its own Taco Bell franchise and has its redshirt linesmen eating six square meals a day there to get them up to size. If anything they're at least getting to the Fourthmeal.

I think Bradford is going to come out. What else does he have left to prove? He is the #1 QB coming out in this draft, and he will be making a huge mistake if he doesn't come out. Look at Matt Leinart, he was going to be the #1 pick in the 2005 draft till he fucked it up by coming back. James Lauranitas was going to be the #1 LB taken in the 2008 draft, but fucked it up by coming back and is now a late first round pick or second round pick.

[pkbpkb81]

i see texas ending up as the AP's #1 ranked team at the end of the season.

would you recognize Texas as a co-national champion? a lot of people were talking shit about USC when they were claiming to be national champions when LSU won the BCS game in what, 2004?...including me, my argument was the BCS is flawed but it's the system in place and everything else is not the national championship...

...sooooooo, as a Longhorn fan, the shoe is on the other foot. mccoy said he's coming back and texas will have another good look at it next year...we will all be saying "Texas going for back to back national titles" ?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

not sure what poll your looking at but in the last ap poll texas is behind ou and uf so they would have to jump the winner of that game to be the co-champ and it wont happen.

[tonylongoriafan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

not sure what poll your looking at but in the last ap poll texas is behind ou and uf so they would have to jump the winner of that game to be the co-champ and it wont happen.

florida beats oklahoma and texas jumps florida...IN THE AP (for spite...remember)

[purist]

OU beats Fla and UT manhandles OSU. Fla, with two losses would drop behind UT; UT with a dominating win over OSU and with one loss and with head to head win over OU, could make a claim to #1. Not likely, but there could be some sentiment for it in the polls.

[tonylongoriafan]

OU beats Fla and UT manhandles OSU. Fla, with two losses would drop behind UT; UT with a dominating win over OSU and with one loss and with head to head win over OU, could make a claim to #1. Not likely, but there could be some sentiment for it in the polls.

sentiment in ap = spite for bcs = texas > florida

[Blake]

OU beats Fla and UT manhandles OSU. Fla, with two losses would drop behind UT; UT with a dominating win over OSU and with one loss and with head to head win over OU, could make a claim to #1. Not likely, but there could be some sentiment for it in the polls.

yeah, OU would have to barely beat Fla and both teams would have to look bad while UT would need to hang half a hundred on OSU.

[samikeyp]

yeah, OU would have to barely beat Fla and both teams would have to look bad while UT would need to hang half a hundred on OSU.

I'm ok with that. :)

[doobs]

This is a fairy tale thread.Let's assume OU beats UF and UT beats OSU. With OU #1 and UT #2, UT fans will have reason to bitch and moan about the shootout, I guess . . . 45-35 . . . whatever. But that's it. There's no way UT gets the AP.And I hate hearing about the stupid 2003 USC Trojans. They didn't win a share of the national championship. They won a protest vote, that's all. Heck, I feel A LOT sorrier for Auburn in 2004 than I do for USC in 2003. At least Auburn went undefeated in the best conference in college football.

[MajorMike]

It was feasable before uo jumped UT in the polls. If UT would have remained ahead of uo in one or both of the polls then I would say you have a case. Since the pollesters have already conceded the fact that uo should be ranked above UT PRIOR to the games, there isn't an issue.

[IronMexican]

I don't even credit USC has the champs or co champs in 2003, so this AP shit means absolutely nothing, btw.

[cash459]

do you get a little shiny trophy for AP champion? :p:

[Blake]

It was feasable before uo jumped UT in the polls. If UT would have remained ahead of uo in one or both of the polls then I would say you have a case. Since the pollesters have already conceded the fact that uo should be ranked above UT PRIOR to the games, there isn't an issue.

hmm......an Okie St fan that goes out of his way to say 'uo' and 'ttek', yet capitalize 'UT'

interesting. I wonder why.

..and the irony is that rabid Aggie fan likes to say 'tu' instead of 'ut', while you say 'uo' instead of 'ou'

:lol wacky.

[Whisky Dog]

Just beat the shit out of OSU.

[samikeyp]

Just beat the shit out of OSU.

+1

[to21]

I'm a HUGE Longhorn fan but it's over now, let it go.

[tonylongoriafan]

I'm a HUGE Longhorn fan but it's over now, let it go.

:depressed:depressed:depressed:depressed

that's the conclusion i'm coming to...and now i have to watch the cowboys implode, college bball and spurs bbal doesn't start to get good for months...i'm sad, this time of the year sucks :(

[monosylab1k]

I think Bradford is going to come out. What else does he have left to prove? He is the #1 QB coming out in this draft, and he will be making a huge mistake if he doesn't come out.

History says it's a huge mistake for him to come out as a redshirt sophomore. He's only got the storied legacies of Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick to follow if he chooses that path.

QB's need at least three years of college playing time. Even Sam "Jesus" Bradford.

[J.T.]

History says it's a huge mistake for him to come out as a redshirt sophomore. He's only got the storied legacies of Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick to follow if he chooses that path.

QB's need at least three years of college playing time. Even Sam "Jesus" Bradford.

I don't know, he's already got two years of experience playing behind an NFL line. Or at least a line that's on NFL payroll.

[Blake]

History says it's a huge mistake for him to come out as a redshirt sophomore. He's only got the storied legacies of Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick to follow if he chooses that path.

QB's need at least three years of college playing time. Even Sam "Jesus" Bradford.

your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick? :lol

you mean if Bradford comes out now, chances are that he will run a dog fighting operation and lose about $100 million in salary and endrosements?

[samikeyp]

your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick? :lol

you mean if Bradford comes out now, chances are that he will run a dog fighting operation and lose about $100 million in salary and endrosements?

Well, a dog fighting/casino operation.

:lol

[monosylab1k]

your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick?

The last two redshirt sophomore QB's to enter the draft. Meaning redshirt sophomore QB's entering the draft haven't done so well.

Leave it to a Tech fan to have his head up his ass.

[ClingingMars]

Leave it to a Virginia Tech fan to have his head up his ass.

fixed

-Mars

[monosylab1k]

btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.

[johngateswhiteley]

btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.

lol. b/c don't actually understand the system...or fail to recognize all its moving parts.

[doobs]

btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.

Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?

[Spurtacus]

I just want a win over OSU.

[johngateswhiteley]

Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?

does the bcs work? ...thats what i thought. leave these discussions to the grown ups.

[samikeyp]

does the bcs work? ...thats what i thought. leave these discussions to the grown ups.

At times yes, at times no.

[johngateswhiteley]

At times yes, at times no.

then it doesn't really work.

[samikeyp]

then it doesn't really work.

My point exactly.

[doobs]

Technically, the BCS does send the best teams to bowl games. I never asked if the BCS sends the two best teams to the national championship. The relevant rankings for determining who goes to major bowl games are determined by the BCS. Not the AP. The AP is meaningless. That's the point.

[johngateswhiteley]

Technically, the BCS does send the best teams to bowl games. I never asked if the BCS sends the two best teams to the national championship. The relevant rankings for determining who goes to major bowl games are determined by the BCS. Not the AP. The AP is meaningless. That's the point.

the AP isn't meaningless, and lets me know you don't know what you are talking about. the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half.

aside from that, the BCS doesn't even send the best teams to the BCS bowls...it sends most of them.

[txallstar]

wouldnt matter if ut gets the ap it's all shit. take conferences winners, get rid of the stupid ass championship game, the rest get decided by record, and establish a cut off. playoffs. the ones that dont get in welcome to football version of the NIT, those shitty bowl games.


sam bradford will be excellent qb

sincerely,

any qb in a college spread offense that tried to make it in the nfl


qb behind a superior line in college, in the nfl that doesnt mean shit, the dline man are 10x's faster, bigger, and stronger than those dlines in college the crappies nfl team will still get to you on any given sunday. best of the best

[doobs]

the AP isn't meaningless, and lets me know you don't know what you are talking about. the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half.

aside from that, the BCS doesn't even send the best teams to the BCS bowls...it sends most of them.

AP doesn't decide shit. The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and bitch. USC fans, basically.

Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"

:lmao

Welcome to the 21st century, kid.

[monosylab1k]

Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?

No, and neither does the coaches poll. And before the BCS, all the important conference champions were the ones playing in the top bowl games. Now you've got faggots like Hawaii getting in there.

The BCS is a godawful system, and far worse than the former system in place.

[monosylab1k]

By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"

In case you didn't know, the BCS doesn't give out any championships. The Coaches Poll is simply obligated to vote whoever wins the BCS Title game #1 in their final poll. The AP poll has decided a national champion for way way way longer than the BCS has, and they've done it with far less controversy.

And if you knew how little coaches gave a shit about filling out their poll, you wouldn't put any stock into the coaches poll. 90% of those things are filled out by 19 year old interns cuz the coaches don't care.

The AP Poll realized what a fiasco the BCS was, which is why they had their poll completely removed from the BCS.

Welcome to reality, kid.

[johngateswhiteley]

AP doesn't decide shit. The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and bitch. USC fans, basically.

Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"

:lmao

Welcome to the 21st century, kid.

what i said is correct. to be exact i should have said the AP has their winner and the coaches have theirs...but Mono came in and educated you a bit further. you should know about something before you make such claims.

[2centsworth]

AP doesn't decide shit. The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and bitch. USC fans, basically.

Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"

:lmao

Welcome to the 21st century, kid.

i agree with this message.

[2centsworth]

In case you didn't know, the BCS doesn't give out any championships. The Coaches Poll is simply obligated to vote whoever wins the BCS Title game #1 in their final poll. The AP poll has decided a national champion for way way way longer than the BCS has, and they've done it with far less controversy.

And if you knew how little coaches gave a shit about filling out their poll, you wouldn't put any stock into the coaches poll. 90% of those things are filled out by 19 year old interns cuz the coaches don't care.

The AP Poll realized what a fiasco the BCS was, which is why they had their poll completely removed from the BCS.

Welcome to reality, kid.

the AP has always been controversial and if it wasn't there would have been no need for the BCS. The AP is a freakin popularity contest of voters who have never seen most of teams play. I bet you forgot about that argument. College football is broken when deciding a national championship, but the BCS is what we have. The AP is irrelevent or minor league at best.

[cash459]

The BCS is set up to get the National Champion "right" not any other bowl games.

the only way that UT wouldve made it to the Big 12 title game was for there not to be a 3 way tie (which is a fault of the big 12 for the tie-breakers).

[monosylab1k]

The AP is a freakin popularity contest of voters who have never seen most of teams play.

Right, because college coaches have so much time on their hands to watch every team play :rolleyes The coaches poll has far less credibility than the AP poll, especially considering almost no coaches actually put any effort into filling out their poll. The only "controversy" with the AP poll is the fact that it disagreed with the coaches poll.

I'd much rather have members of the media who at least in their job are supposed to follow all the teams making an educated vote, over college coaches who are worried about their own teams and who don't bother wasting time watching every other team play, who simply give their poll to some pimple-faced intern and say "fill this out for me".

[2centsworth]

Right, because college coaches have so much time on their hands to watch every team play :rolleyes The coaches poll has far less credibility than the AP poll, especially considering almost no coaches actually put any effort into filling out their poll. The only "controversy" with the AP poll is the fact that it disagreed with the coaches poll.

I'd much rather have members of the media who at least in their job are supposed to follow all the teams making an educated vote, over college coaches who are worried about their own teams and who don't bother wasting time watching every other team play, who simply give their poll to some pimple-faced intern and say "fill this out for me".

both systems are imperfect, but at least one of the systems attempts to have things settled on the field. The AP is 100% of what's wrong with college football and what the BCS attempts, though imperfectly, to eliminate.

If it wasn't for the BCS USC would have been the NC in '05, but luckily we got to see how the "best team ever" was not even the best team in '05.

[monosylab1k]

both systems are imperfect, but at least one of the systems attempts to have things settled on the field.

Tell that to Auburn.

[2centsworth]

Tell that to Auburn.

dude, you're just agreeing with me. Auburn is a perfect example of the problem, but atleast the BCS makes an attempt to cure that problem. The AP makes zero attempt and is purely a popularity contest. The BCS is an attempt to fix the AP process of determing a national champion. The AP is minor league now. In the words of Doob "welcome to the 21st century"

[monosylab1k]

dude, you're just agreeing with me. Auburn is a perfect example of the problem, but atleast the BCS makes an attempt to cure that problem.

So the problem is that teams weren't deciding it "on the field" and the best example is a team that got screwed out of a chance to decide it on the field? No offense but you're a fucking moron if you believe that.

The BCS has caused far more problems and bitching than ever before, it's caused coaches to douche out and openly campaign for BCS bowl spots, and it's allowed pussy little teams like Hawaii to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. And to think that the BCS was brought in to solve anything is about as naive as it gets. The BCS was brought in to exploit the problems in college football and make money off of them while offering no solutions.

And now the most worthless poll ever, the coaches poll, has been elevated to the most important. Again, the media knows more about the overall landscape of college football than the coaches do. Those guys DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR BALLOTS.

All the BCS has accomplished is raising the profile of college football with the monumental amount of bitching it's caused. Nothing more. A national champion is no more certain now than it was 20 years ago. At least 20 years ago, tradition and respect meant something. Now we have no true national champion, every coach has become a cocksucking whore, and every so often we can enjoy a nice New Mexico State versus Tennessee matchup in the fucking Rose Bowl.

[Blake]

So the problem is that teams weren't deciding it "on the field" and the best example is a team that got screwed out of a chance to decide it on the field? No offense but you're a fucking moron if you believe that.

The BCS has caused far more problems and bitching than ever before, it's caused coaches to douche out and openly campaign for BCS bowl spots, and it's allowed pussy little teams like Hawaii to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. And to think that the BCS was brought in to solve anything is about as naive as it gets. The BCS was brought in to exploit the problems in college football and make money off of them while offering no solutions.

And now the most worthless poll ever, the coaches poll, has been elevated to the most important. Again, the media knows more about the overall landscape of college football than the coaches do. Those guys DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR BALLOTS.

All the BCS has accomplished is raising the profile of college football with the monumental amount of bitching it's caused. Nothing more. A national champion is no more certain now than it was 20 years ago. At least 20 years ago, tradition and respect meant something. Now we have no true national champion, every coach has become a cocksucking whore, and every so often we can enjoy a nice New Mexico State versus Tennessee matchup in the fucking Rose Bowl.

x100

sure the BCS is better than nothing, but it's like saying cleaning up dog crap is better than cleaning up elephant crap. Both are are still crappy.

[samikeyp]

x100

sure the BCS is better than nothing, but it's like saying cleaning up dog crap is better than cleaning up elephant crap. Both are are still crappy.

QFT

[2centsworth]

So the problem is that teams weren't deciding it "on the field" and the best example is a team that got screwed out of a chance to decide it on the field? No offense but you're a fucking moron if you believe that.

you can't read. There are plenty of Auburns in the history of College football. Ask Penn State.



The BCS has caused far more problems and bitching than ever before, it's caused coaches to douche out and openly campaign for BCS bowl spots, and it's allowed pussy little teams like Hawaii to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. And to think that the BCS was brought in to solve anything is about as naive as it gets. The BCS was brought in to exploit the problems in college football and make money off of them while offering no solutions. that's a joke right?