Suns get Richardson trade Diaw and Bell.

[DROB4EVER]

Espn just reported Suns get J Rich from Bobcats for Diaw and Bell. Not sure how this helps them, gives them some more scoring but trade their best defender in Bell and Diaw who has always given the Spurs fits.

[z0sa]

Looks like Bowen has a use again.

[hater]

somwhere Manu is ordering drinks for everyone

[Jmehra1]

wow this can not be the best thing at all
They are trading there best defender who also happens to be an efficient scorer.
And Diaw who has not reached his full potential and is virtually unguardable due to his size, athleticism and all around playing style

This trade just helps the spurs and the rest of the western conference. I would like to be the first to thank the Suns.

[ClingingMars]

somwhere Manu is ordering drinks for everyone

lmao

if this is true, down goes the Suns! (and up goes Sean Singletary's playing time :D)

-Mars

[sribb43]

Suns bench just got worse...it reminds me of their 05 team

[DROB4EVER]

Yeah I dont see this as a good mix unless they go small again with Barnes A.S Nash J Rich and Lopez. I think they will look to make some more trades......I see Amare gone soon!

[sonic21]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/12/10/20081210sunstradeonline.html


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111848

[lefty]

Wow Steve Kerr

WTF :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is epic. This will go down as the Suns version of the Mavs trade for Kidd.

One more contender out of the way.

[z0sa]

back to a 6 man rotation a la 05

[nkdlunch]

He's also an excellent defensive player

:lmao :lmao

[byrdman31]

wow that is stupid. Our biggest problem against the suns was guarding Diaw.. i liked his style of play, why would they let that go?! hahaha well better for us

[byrdman31]

somwhere Manu is ordering drinks for everyone


:nope hopefully they wait till after the game... then :toast

[ClingingMars]

if the suns even make the playoffs this year, and face the Spurs...hello broom.

-Mars

[T Park]

Wow thank you Phoenix....

[Yawn Maheenmee]

Steve Kerruption

[T Park]

Let me get this straight.

You hire Terry Porter to become more defensive oriented.

You then trade your best perimiter defender for a ball hog scorer.

Genius Steve Kerr. Absolute Genius :lmao

[T Park]

Perfect time to see if the Spurs can swing a deal to get Raja Bell.

IMO, Bell could be had, and if he is had, the Spurs would become the best team in the western conference.

[K-State Spur]

I will say this - the 'throw-in' in the deal (Dudley) is a guy who I think could help the Suns. With consistent minutes, he could be a tougher version of Diaw - but he doesn't have the length that made Boris a difficult match-up for the Spurs.

But now, their best line-up (Nash/Richardson/Hill/Amare/Shaq) has FOUR bad defensive players. And Hill's well past his prime.

This might have worked (but not won them a title) when D'Antoni was coach.

[mountainballer]

huh? Spurs fans are celebrating?
Suns just traded an overpayed player, who was outplayed by a minimum signing anyhow and a decent but declining player for a borderline all star, who just entered his prime. of course they got better significantly.

[T Park]

huh? Spurs fans are celebrating?Suns just traded an overpayed player, who was outplayed by a minimum signing anyhow and a decent but declining player for a borderline all star, who just entered his prime. of course they got better significantly.


Yes read the thread short bus.

They just traded their best perimiter defender and matchup problem with the Spurs for a one dimensional shooting guard.

Hell yes Spurs fans should celebrate.

[td4mvp21]

Perfect time to see if the Spurs can swing a deal to get Raja Bell.

IMO, Bell could be had, and if he is had, the Spurs would become the best team in the western conference.

Or how about Diaw...

[T Park]

I will say this - the 'throw-in' in the deal (Dudley) is a guy who I think could help the Suns. With consistent minutes, he could be a tougher version of Diaw - but he doesn't have the length that made Boris a difficult match-up for the Spurs.

But now, their best line-up (Nash/Richardson/Hill/Amare/Shaq) has FOUR bad defensive players. And Hill's well past his prime.

This might have worked (but not won them a title) when D'Antoni was coach.


Agreed Dudley is a solid player and one I wished the Spurs drafted in 07 as opposed to Splitter.

That being said, this trade makes the Spurs matchups with them, quite a bit easier.

Ginobili has to be doing patron shots with Oberto and slapping intern's asses.

[The Franchise]

Let me get this straight.

You hire Terry Porter to become more defensive oriented.

You then trade your best perimiter defender for a ball hog scorer.

Genius Steve Kerr. Absolute Genius :lmao

I think this trade may work out for both teams, especially Phoenix. Richardson is another scoring option, and he isn't that bad a defender. Charlotte gets better perimeter shooting and a good defender in Bell and for some reason I think they will get more out of Diaw than Phoenix could.

[T Park]

Or how about Diaw...

No Thanks.

I've never been a huge fan of Diaw, and the only time he was consistently in shape and gae a shit was his contract year.

Diaw's success against the Spurs consisted of 2 games, and one of them in which down the stretch in game 5 he turned the ball over and choked like a bad amateur porn star.

[lefty]

Steve is the Suns Kerrptonyte :D

[T Park]

I think this trade may work out for both teams, especially Phoenix. Richardson is another scoring option, and he isn't that bad a defender. Charlotte gets better perimeter shooting and a good defender in Bell and for some reason I think they will get more out of Diaw than Phoenix could.

Richardson is mediocre defender at best.

Thats fine on a team thats a good defensive team.

The Suns are a mediocre to bad defensive team but that was with a damn good perimiter defender in Bell.

Defensively they took a huge hit, and against the Spurs, they just lost their "Ginobili stopper"

[lefty]

Once again, Kerr bailed MJ out like he did in game 6 of the '97 Finals

[Sausage]

LMAO at the Suns fans at PHXsuns.net.

Everyone there loves the trade, but they don't realize how thin that bench is now.

[Manufan909]

No Thanks.

I've never been a huge fan of Diaw, and the only time he was consistently in shape and gae a shit was his contract year.

Diaw's success against the Spurs consisted of 2 games, and one of them in which down the stretch in game 5 he turned the ball over and choked like a bad amateur porn star.

:toast

Best metaphor of the day.

[SpursDynasty]

I was looking forward to Kobe vs. Bell tonight. Oh well.

So now 3 of the 5 starters of the 2007 Suns team that supposedly would have won the championship without "cheap shot Rob" are gone.

[K-State Spur]

and [Richardson] isn't that bad a defender.

He's pretty rough.

[kcplayboi_26]

Suns bench just got worse...it reminds me of their 05 team

you will see that alando tucker will impress lol LETTTSSS GOOOO nice trade, shake it up a lil

[kcplayboi_26]

huh? Spurs fans are celebrating?
Suns just traded an overpayed player, who was outplayed by a minimum signing anyhow and a decent but declining player for a borderline all star, who just entered his prime. of course they got better significantly.

you knw they gotta make the best outta something.....

[kcplayboi_26]

obviously havent watched raja at all this year??? i like barnes D better than his to be honest. and we gotta a scorer at guard for the first time since Joe Johnson

[sonic21]

Or how about Diaw...

9M a year

[beachwood]

Perfect time to see if the Spurs can swing a deal to get Raja Bell.

IMO, Bell could be had, and if he is had, the Spurs would become the best team in the western conference.

I agree. I would love to see Bell in a Spurs uniform.

[sonic21]

Perfect time to see if the Spurs can swing a deal to get Raja Bell.

IMO, Bell could be had, and if he is had, the Spurs would become the best team in the western conference.

our backcourt is full.

[K-State Spur]

LMAO at the Suns fans at PHXsuns.net.

Everyone there loves the trade, but they don't realize how thin that bench is now.

If they stay healthy, I'm not sure they're that thin.

They can start Nash/JRich/Hill/Amare/Shaq.

Then they have Barbosa and Barnes as proven bench guys. Lopez hasn't embarrassed himself in very limited minutes as a back-up post (although he's surprisingly terrible on the boards). I'm on the record as liking Dudley. And they were probably going to have to sink/swim with Dragic as their back-up PG eventually anyways.

The only depth problem will be when Shaq and Hill go through their annual 10 game (at least) in-season vacations.


Here's why I don't like the deal (if I'm a Suns fan):

1) I don't see how they're going to get any stops. They've been having a hard enough time with perimeter guys going off on them with a couple of good defenders on the floor. Now they'll have one decent guy (Hill) and a bunch of below average to terrible guys.

2) Suns fans have been wanting another scorer - but do they really need it? Richardson's career LOW for shots taken is 14/game. Every time he chucks up a shot (and he's never hit 45% from the floor), that's a shot that Amare, Shaq, or Nash (far more efficient scorers) didn't take. Bell and Diaw were not terrible offensive players who were comfortable letting the game come to them. Their fans saw that as passiveness. But - as we know here - that's what you want from your role guys surrounding 2 or 3 stars.

Personally, I think Pop will bait him into taking as many shots as he wants the next time these two teams match up.

[kcplayboi_26]

U guys dont understand how rediculas Diaw's contract is, maybe he will deserve it in the future as a starter, PROVE ME WRONG BORIS. but great way to dump that salary and pick up an EXTRA PICK

[K-State Spur]

I think the Suns are trying to put the best shooters they can around Shaq and Amare since they both attract double teams in the pain like crazy.


Raja Bell is a better shooter than JRich. Richardson is much more of a "scorer" than a shooter. When he's on, he's doing most of his damage penetrating into the lane - which is already overcrowded in PHX's offense.

[crc21209]

Another thing I've noticed is J-Rich that KILLED the Mavs was J-Rich of almost 2 yrs ago, I've seen some Bobcats games and hes not as great/money/clutch as he was in that series anymore.

[objective]

my own gut instinct is that this is good for Phoenix.

Diaw was a contract nobody wanted, Diaw and Porter have had some sort of behind the scenes problems from I understand resulting in limited playing time, and Bell's best days are behind him.

So they got a guy better than Maggette. Things weren't working beforehand, why not do the deal?

Besides, any deal Michael Jordan makes . . . I already know who got the worse of it.

[The Franchise]

Raja Bell is a better shooter than JRich. Richardson is much more of a "scorer" than a shooter.

That is the reason I think they did this deal. Richardson means more pressure on opposing defenses.

[K-State Spur]

you knw they gotta make the best outta something.....

I can actually see why Suns fans might make this team better. But the Spurs now match-up even better with the Suns - for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread. So it's possible that everybody is right.

[K-State Spur]

That is the reason I think they did this deal. Richardson means more pressure on opposing defenses.

Possibly - but how many shots do you want him taking away from Shaq/Amare/Nash? As the old adage goes - There's only one ball.

[The Franchise]

Another thing I've noticed is J-Rich that KILLED the Mavs was J-Rich of almost 2 yrs ago, I've seen some Bobcats games and hes not as great/money/clutch as he was in that series anymore.

But in Phoenix he won't be the man Like in GS and Charlotte. That means less pressure which usually means better production.

[DROB4EVER]

He's pretty rough.

If you ask Richardson what a d-fenda was he would piont to the front of his car! Guy never plays D which is why Brown wanted to get rid of him.

[sonic21]

But in Phoenix he won't be the man Like in GS and Charlotte. That means less pressure which usually means better production.

In GS he had baron and Jackson

[kcplayboi_26]

If you ask Richardson what a d-fenda was he would piont to the front of his car! Guy never plays D which is why Brown wanted to get rid of him.

ohhh so thats tha reason why huh??? didnt knw that

[td4mvp21]

No Thanks.

I've never been a huge fan of Diaw, and the only time he was consistently in shape and gae a shit was his contract year.

Diaw's success against the Spurs consisted of 2 games, and one of them in which down the stretch in game 5 he turned the ball over and choked like a bad amateur porn star.

He does have a good post game though and that's somethingwe don't have outside of Duncan. He also has a good shooting touch. I'd prefer over Bell if I had to choose because we have too many swingmen as is.

[The Franchise]

In GS he had baron and Jackson

Yes and just as much freedom to take bad shots as both. I don't think he will be doing that as much in Phoenix.

[EJFischer]

Someone find out if Xylus is drinking himself to death. I would miss him.

[mVp]

Great trade!!!!!

for the Spurs :lol

Thanks Steve! :toast

[mavsfan1000]

I actually think this is a good trade for the suns. It won't make up for the horrible Shaq trade though.

[kcplayboi_26]

Great trade!!!!!

for the Spurs :lol

Thanks Steve! :toast

hahaa so those 2 clowns scared you guys???? besides diaws post game last year in the playoffs wen nothing else was working

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The only way this makes sense for Phoenix is if their next move is sending Porter to New York for D'Antoni.

[exstatic]

huh? Spurs fans are celebrating?
Suns just traded an overpayed player, who was outplayed by a minimum signing anyhow and a decent but declining player for a borderline all star, who just entered his prime. of course they got better significantly.

Jason Richardson is one of those 'Ron Mercer' type players who can put up points on volume shooting for a bad team. A good indicator of an offensive player's prowess is points/FGA. It can reflect getting to the line a lot, because a 2 FT foul can be 2 pts with 0 FGAs or a 3 pt play can be 3 pts on 1 FGA, and can also reflect excellent outside shooting. Jason Richardson is a VERY pedestrian 1.15 pt/FGA for his career. That's pretty weak for someone who plays no defense. To contrast that, Manu has a career 1.42 pt/FGA, and Kobe is at 1.31 pt/FGA.

So, to wrap it up, in Richardson, you have pretty much an offensive only player who's inefficient even at that one facet of the game.

[superbigtime]

I think the Suns were pretty sick of diaw. They had to give up Bell to get this done. But they got rid of a bloated contract, got a scorer in return, and a pick too. Not too bad I guess. But I don't see a healthier team with fewer DNPs and lock down defense! Richardson is never healthy a full season. Don't know much about Dudley.

[romad_20]

The only way this makes sense for Phoenix is if their next move is sending Porter to New York for D'Antoni.

Couldn't agree more.

I still have no idea what this Suns team is with Shaq and Porter being there, though my gut says bad. They can score like hell now, but like everyone else has said, where's the defense? Unless Porter starts running D'antoni's system, I think this team gets better in the regular season, but is right back to where they started once they get in the playoffs. (if they do)

[The Truth #6]

Does anyone know how many years are on Richardson's contract? Could this set them up for the 2010 Plan? Probably not, but it's another way to consider the trade.

[T Park]

He does have a good post game though and that's somethingwe don't have outside of Duncan. He also has a good shooting touch. I'd prefer over Bell if I had to choose because we have too many swingmen as is.

Diaw is a soft non defending big who would not fit. Your telling me you'd rather have michael finley playing than raja bell!?!? Raja bell on this team would give them gauranteed defensive stoppers on the floor along with a damn good shhoter on top of it...

[baseline bum]

This is epic. This will go down as the Suns version of the Mavs trade for Kidd.

One more contender out of the way.

I don't think anything could be that bad. :lol

Bell's a nice defender and all, but Devin Harris has the talent to someday be an all-star. Plus, JRich isn't done like Kidd was at the time of the trade. Not saying this isn't a bad move for Phoenix (it clearly is), but Harris+1st rounders for Kidd is historically bad.

[dirk4mvp]

It'll provide a few more highlights. That bench is thin shit now.

[dirk4mvp]

This is epic. This will go down as the Suns version of the Mavs trade for Kidd.

One more contender out of the way.

Maybe in the sense of the spurs match up better with the Suns now, but nothing is as bad as the Kidd trade.

[024]

diaw never really showed he could dominate the spurs when it mattered. he's seems pretty passive in the regular season too. richardson adds three point shooting and a scoring mentality. this will definitely give the suns a big three to rely on. nash, richardson, grant hill, stoudemire, and shaq seems pretty formidable. however, this doesn't solve the suns' problem. i always believed the suns' fundamental problem was relying on steve nash too much to make plays. when nash steps out of the game, the entire team looks lost. they have yet to find a reliable back up.

[kcplayboi_26]

come on need u spurs fans to sway the poll ur way lol http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8924702/Richardson-dealt-to-Suns-for-Diaw,-Bell

[Brazil]

It's a good trade for Diaw, he will improve now and show he has a lot of talent

[Xylus]

:depressed

[td4mvp21]

Diaw is a soft non defending big who would not fit. Your telling me you'd rather have michael finley playing than raja bell!?!? Raja bell on this team would give them gauranteed defensive stoppers on the floor along with a damn good shhoter on top of it...

Actually I would trade Finley for Bell in a heartbeat. But Pop wouldn't.

[kcplayboi_26]

POsted on ESPN lol :


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hazard_7o4 (12/10/2008 at 6:33 PM)
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WHAT ARE THE BOBCAT'S THINKING....Believe it or not i have been going to see them play when they first got Richardson.But i guess not anymore. It just doesn't make any sense. they traded our top scorer for two guys, who combine can't even score as good as him. Will i guess we will make history on this one. "BREAKING NEWS:CHARLOTTE BOBCATS MAKE HISTORY. SCORES LESS THAN 40 POINTS IN A GAME."

[m33p0]

maybe it's one of those trades where everybody gets what they want.

[superbigtime]

Maybe in the sense of the spurs match up better with the Suns now, but nothing is as bad as the Kidd trade.

So glad Harris no longer with the mavs. Can you imagine him with Josh howard back instead of Kidd

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Maybe in the sense of the spurs match up better with the Suns now, but nothing is as bad as the Kidd trade.

Well, that's what I was referring to.

Harris gave Parker fits, so Dallas ships him out for a defensive turnstyle in Kidd.

Diaw has caused SA problems, and Bell was a good perimeter defender as well. They both gave Manu and Fin difficulties at times. Now they're shipped out for a guy whose idea of defense is yelling 'hurry up and score so I can get the ball back.'

[superbigtime]

Actually I would trade Finley for Bell in a heartbeat. But Pop wouldn't.

I wouldn't.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Great trade. Still need to sort a lot of things out (like the entire defensive side of the ball) but this actually gives them the talent. Don't ignore Dudley. Dudley will be important if the Suns are to make any noise.

[z0sa]

I don't think anything could be that bad. :lol

Did you forget about the trade for Shaq?

[Avitus1]

Wow... brilliant move... :lmao:

[Manu-of-steel]

i'd like dudley in the spurs uniform, he's a very hardworking guy. we have to avoid jumping into conclusions,that this trade is good or bad for the suns. let's wait and see how it would turn out. look what happened to our game with dallas yesterday. much has been said about the inability of kidd to score. also, devin harris was traded, so parker won't have a hard time-barea almost single-handedly destroyed the spurs..

[timvp]

I actually think it was a good trade for the Suns. Raja Bell is washed up. He declined last year but declined even further this year. He was no longer an elite defender. He was actually very average this season on the defensive end. Diaw is decent but his lack of fire makes me question how much winning means to him.

JRich isn't that good of a defender ... but neither was Bell these days. Richardson can get extremely hot and can hit big shots. He also makes the Suns an even better rebounding team. Dudley is like Diaw with less size and talent but more heart.

Kerr is a pretty damn horrible GM but this was a no-brainer. A former defensive stopper in a steep, steep decline and a backup big who didn't always bring it for a guy who is close to an All-Star level player and a better than decent prospect? Uh yeah you do that trade every day.

[AFBlue]

Richardson seems like a guy that would thrive with Nash feeding him the rock. The one that has to be pissed about this is Stoudemire, because this guy is going to take a bunch of shots to make his points....and more shots for J-Rich means less shots for Amare.

[kcplayboi_26]

I actually think it was a good trade for the Suns. Raja Bell is washed up. He declined last year but declined even further this year. He was no longer an elite defender. He was actually very average this season on the defensive end. Diaw is decent but his lack of fire makes me question how much winning means to him.

JRich isn't that good of a defender ... but neither was Bell these days. Richardson can get extremely hot and can hit big shots. He also makes the Suns an even better rebounding team. Dudley is like Diaw with less size and talent but more heart.

Kerr is a pretty damn horrible GM but this was a no-brainer. A former defensive stopper in a steep, steep decline and a backup big who didn't always bring it for a guy who is close to an All-Star level player and a better than decent prospect? Uh yeah you do that trade every day.



dont forget to add diaws dumb contract, but other than that i agree with everything, obviously someone seen suns games this year to notice that about bell

[AFBlue]

I'm puzzled by this deal for the Bobcats...

They needed size in the frontcourt, but Diaw really isn't that much bigger than Dudley. And they gave up a legitimate scorer to boot.

I guess they had seen the good returns from both Augustin and Felton...and they wanted more court time and shots for both. This should effectively accomplish that goal.

[nkdlunch]

Richardson seems like a guy that would thrive with Nash feeding him the rock. The one that has to be pissed about this is Stoudemire, because this guy is going to take a bunch of shots to make his points....and more shots for J-Rich means less shots for Amare.

I agree with this. Amare, you wanted to be the Man???? well guess what, we just added a chuker to the team to give you less shots :lmao

[T Park]

I actually think it was a good trade for the Suns. Raja Bell is washed up. He declined last year but declined even further this year. He was no longer an elite defender. He was actually very average this season on the defensive end. Diaw is decent but his lack of fire makes me question how much winning means to him.

JRich isn't that good of a defender ... but neither was Bell these days. Richardson can get extremely hot and can hit big shots. He also makes the Suns an even better rebounding team. Dudley is like Diaw with less size and talent but more heart.

Kerr is a pretty damn horrible GM but this was a no-brainer. A former defensive stopper in a steep, steep decline and a backup big who didn't always bring it for a guy who is close to an All-Star level player and a better than decent prospect? Uh yeah you do that trade every day.

I'm sorry but adding a selfish chucker toa team with players like Stoudamire and Shaq is a recipe for disaster.

[timvp]

I'm sorry but adding a selfish chucker toa team with players like Stoudamire and Shaq is a recipe for disaster.They weren't winning anything with the group they had. Adding JRich for free is a no-brainer. If he plays the role he did in '07 against the Mavs, the Suns are going to be dangerous again.

[kcplayboi_26]

They weren't winning anything with the group they had. Adding JRich for free is a no-brainer. If he plays the role he did in '07 against the Mavs, the Suns are going to be dangerous again.

this guys knw, good cuz if i say it just look like im saying it cuz i like the team. what were we winning with them??? nada

[hater]

They weren't winning anything with the group they had. Adding JRich for free is a no-brainer. If he plays the role he did in '07 against the Mavs, the Suns are going to be dangerous again.

I would not quite call that free. who is going to guard Manu now?????

don't tell me Bell sucked enough not so slow down manu. u know that is not true

[objective]

i already posted my gut reaction that this looked good for the Suns, now with more reflection it's a great deal for the Suns.

The Suns biggest problem against the Spurs in the 1st round that year (and against any team really) was that no one other than Steve Nash wanted to take big shots in crunch time. The Suns haven't had guys willing to take (and risk missing of course) big-time shots other than Nash since Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson.

Go back and review the tapes of the end of games during the close contests in that series.

There were sequences where Diaw and Bell specifically wanted nothing to do with taking a big shot. The game where Diaw was scoring in the post with ease all game long then in the final 2 minutes gets a post up and turns the ball over with a ridiculous pass out. He was flat out scared to shoot. Same with Raja Bell. Amare had moments where he got open for his elbow jumper and tried to drive inside instead and charged against KT. Barbosa is a no-show against the Spurs during regular game-time, in crunch time he wanted to be as far away from the ball as possible.

Richardson isn't scared to take those shots. And he will get good looks at those shots with the Suns.

Sure, call him a chucker, call him selfish and a guy who will take bad shots. But the Suns can't win without guys who want to score, and Diaw and Bell were big-time problems in close games.

Plus, Michael Jordan is on the other end of this trade. Now that Isiah Thomas and Mike Millen are out of sports, Jordan had to take the crown of "Worst GM/head decision maker in all of Sports" away from contenders like McHale.

[timvp]

I would not quite call that free. who is going to guard Manu now?????

don't tell me Bell sucked enough not so slow down manu. u know that is not trueHave you watched Bell this year? He's done. With his lack of size, he needed his athleticism to stay atop his defensive game. Last year he lost a step athletically and this year he's lost at least another step. Manu or any other star perimeter player would have no problem scoring on him come playoff time.

[kcplayboi_26]

Have you watched Bell this year? He's done. With his lack of size, he needed his athleticism to stay atop his defensive game. Last year he lost a step athletically and this year he's lost at least another step. Manu or any other star perimeter player would have no problem scoring on him come playoff time.

thank you i keep saying, THESE GUYS OBVIOUSLY HAVENT SEEN BELL this year. Barnes can do the same as him on D

[Bruno]

Agree with timvp on this one.

Suns get a great deal. Richardson is a damn good player and they don't give up a lot to get him. Bell was aging and his D was overrated. Diaw was doing quite nothing for them.
They have now a very young bench with Dragic as backup PG and Dudley, Lopez and Amundson as backup PF/C. These young players will have to produce because Suns have nothing else to plug at these spots.
Suns have now only 12 players under contract, they will have to sign another player before one week.

I don't really get why Bobcats did this trade. They don't really save money or upgrade their roster. The only way it could end as a good trade for them is that Diaw play at his true level. He can be significantly better than what he did with Suns lately.

On a side note, Bobcats are Singletary's forth NBA team and he is a rookie. :downspin:

[Rogue]

wow this can not be the best thing at all
They are trading there best defender who also happens to be an efficient scorer.
And Diaw who has not reached his full potential and is virtually unguardable due to his size, athleticism and all around playing style

This trade just helps the spurs and the rest of the western conference. I would like to be the first to thank the Suns.
I just take this oppositely. Bell is really a good defender but the fact is that the suns has never ever had some need for a defender. Jason is just precisely fit for the suns. Absolutely it's a bargain for the suns to get a great scorer only at the expense of an older defender and a foreigner.
Diaw is a pretty good player and his most out-standing talent is that he can play from 1 to 5, but he has never found a position that fits him most.

I just don't have any idea why the hell did larry brown excute such a trade that sent Jason for these two guys, never to mention dudley and the seacond rounder that were packed with Jason to be sent to Phoenix. Dudley (I'm not sure whether I spell his name correctly or not, correct it if not.) has more potential than Diaw, Jason is currently the best 3 shooter with 45 percent 3pt rate, and the seacond rounder is not a bit less valuable than a first rounder as it is from Bobcats. It's time for the suns to make the last bid as their franchies rosters are aging and expiring. I really wish them to win the title this season and start to rebuild as soon as possible. Shaq's contract will expire this season and he's gonna retire then if he can't recieve a new contract worth more than 10m/yr. Shaq would rather to retire than earn 5 or 6m per year as a role player.

[xtremesteven33]

I dont fear this move because this isnt the kind of trade that puts you over. Sure he provides that 2 guard offensive punch but he doesnt really do much else. Hes a great athlete but he doesnt make the team better from any other statistical point.

If Dantoni was still running the show i would fear them more but Nash looks to have REALLY struggled with this new offense and looks like a shell of his former self and with the offense continuing to revolve around Shaq and not Nash/Amare, this team will not be a contender.

Also thier team defense still sucks. And when i say sucks. I mean they look completely lost in defensive rotations its embarasing.

[KidCongo]

J Rich and Amare can pair up and get their shots with 20 point leads or deficits. J Rich is anti clutch.

Its funny how Cavs fans were thinking of trading for a swingman and it looks like 2 just went off the board.

[mojorizen7]

Thank god.
2 more of D'Antoni's smallball dingleberries are gone.
Raja might be the worst starting 2 in the league.....like Majerle was late in his career....living off reputation and without game.
Immediate upgrade there with JRich.
Doris Diaw's long bad contract is the only consistent thing going on in his world.
Plus Kerr didn't have to give away more picks.
Nice trade for us.
WTF are the Bobcats doing?

[Ghazi]

The Suns may now win 48 games instead of 44 games.

[kcplayboi_26]

Thank god.
2 more of D'Antoni's smallball dingleberries are gone.
Raja might be the worst starting 2 in the league.
Immediate upgrade there with JRich.
Plus Kerr didn't have to give away more picks.
Nice trade for us.
WTF are the Bobcats doing?


lol yea exactly also great to dump diaws over paid contract

[z0sa]

I always liked Diaw, but I'm not sure how much heart he's got. If LB can put some fire him him (or under his ass), he might be a near all-star again with his versatility.

[kcplayboi_26]

I always liked Diaw, but I'm not sure how much heart he's got. If LB can put some fire him him (or under his ass), he might be a near all-star again with his versatility.

i agree, honestly i think the guy can score almost everytime he has the ball, his footwork is nice. but he DOES NOT want to shoot, or hes just too unselfish to put it. And isnt aggresive enough, he just needs to be more confident

[TDMVPDPOY]

steve kerr is doing an amazing job at the suns organization, i enjoy the failure the suns bring hahahahahhahahahahahaha

[timtonymanu]

well that's one less asshole to worry about in the suns.

[Duncanoypi]

Bobcats release another their lone scorer to give the slot to another one............







Michael Jordan.....lol

[SpursFan0728]

I don't think this is a good trade like what others are saying.

I thought the Sun's best roster was with Nash Marion Amare Raja Diaw(they also gave us the biggest trouble)
but ever since Kerr took over he really fucked up the team and now he is breaking the core of the group. Even though Raja is declining, he is a great team player. Both Diaw and Raja had been through a lot with the team. Trading them away would make them worse in the long run

[kcplayboi_26]

I don't think this is a good trade like what others are saying.

I thought the Sun's best roster was with Nash Marion Amare Raja Diaw(they also gave us the biggest trouble)
but ever since Kerr took over he really fucked up the team and now he is breaking the core of the group. Even though Raja is declining, he is a great team player. Both Diaw and Raja had been through a lot with the team. Trading them away would make them worse in the long run


well see, the team wasnt getting anywhere with them lets see what happens with. pretty much last push for couple years with shaq retiring, nash decline, amare probally gone in 2010, hill retiring. dont have time to wait for diaw to live to his full potiential, and if u guys watched raja this year and his D than u would understand. Panic move by Kerr knowning this thing will be done in a couple years in my opinion................

[Yorae]

Is kerr a double agent?

[kcplayboi_26]

H2DHNLPtW7Q

[Xylus]

I've been in deep thought about this trade since it happened, and this is what I've come up with.

Raja Bell was my favorite player on the Phoenix Suns. He has a great desire to win, a killer instinct, an insanely good 3-point shot, he was a stellar defensive player in years past, and seemed like a great teammate. His antics and heroics in the 2006 playoffs against the Lakers and Clippers earned him legendary status with me, and almost all other Suns fans. We simply love the guy. But there's a misconception about his performance this year that might make you think this trade is a really bad one:

His defense this year has been pretty bad. He's clearly lost a step or two over the last two years, and opposing SG's have been burning him routinely. You guys can talk all you want about how the Suns traded away their best defender, but our best defender is no longer that great of a defender.

Kerr, having noticed this, decided that since it's not possible to be a defensive juggernaut with so many bad defenders on one team, it might be a better idea to construct the best offensive lineup in the league.

As for Boris Diaw--he's one of the most talented players in the entire league. Watching so much talent get wasted on such a heartless and passive player is akin to watching your extremely intelligent firstborn child decide that he'd rather be a construction worker than a structural engineer. He always produced for us, but he could have done so much more. Oh, and we're paying him $9 mil. Even with Shaq's ridiculous contract on the books, Diaw was the most overpaid player on our team. I loved Diaw when he played to his potential, but 9 out of every 10 nights, we saw Doris instead of Boris.

Bell was unhappy with Porter's system, and the Suns have a tendency to trade away players they think might be cancerous in the locker room. Bell's not a good enough player to warrant a pass on his pessimistic behavior. It makes sense that they traded him.

That said, Long Live Raja Bell. He won't be leaving my signature anytime soon. I wish him and Boris nothing but success in Charlotte.

[mountainballer]

^ thanks Xylus, this pretty much tells in better words and with more insight what I tried to say on page one of this thread, when the whole forum was busy finding some superlatives how idiotic this trade was from the Suns side.

once more:
Bell is no longer the defender he used to be and J-Rich isn't as bad on defense as some make him.
J-Rich is a scorer, but he was never a me first ball hog. in fact he's a good team player and great locker room guy. he just always was asked be the #1 option on his teams.
watch out for him taking a reduced role on offense with the Suns and therefore play more defense. without complaining.
Barnes does what Diaw did for 10% of the money. he doesn't have the talent and versatility, but he has the heart. and he does play defense. dirty, but quite effective. (remember what he did to Dirk in the 2007 PO?)
and then there is Dudley. he will be a quite nice complementary piece, when the Suns go slow with Shaq in the line up.

people here also shouldn't ask, who will play defense on the Suns team. we should ask, who of our guys will defend them. like Bell Bruce is no longer the premium defender he was. we will be able to slow Nash and Barbosa with Tony and Hill, but we won't have a legit defender for either Amare and J-Rich. (beside the fact, that it never was the best idea when Tim had to guard Shaq).
and Barnes gives up the same match up problems Diaw used to give us.

the more I think about it, the worse this trade looks for the Spurs.

[Austin_Toros]

not so disastrous for phoenix... j-rich should be a solid scoring option who can run. however i do think spurs can easily topple the suns now

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Great trade for the Suns who will tend back towards more scoring and less of the defensive style that wasn't working for them anyway. JRich is a very good SG, and he will score in bunches of Nash's passes. They're still not built to beat us, and never will be.

OTOH, what is Charlotte thinking? Diaw had better play to his potential there or this is a terrible trade for them.

[Strange Botwin]

Kerr abuses Nash again!

The first time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Z4KjVeWsU&feature=related

[EJFischer]

I was hoping you'd post your thoughts on this one. But I have to say that my first response to



Kerr, having noticed this, decided that since it's not possible to be a defensive juggernaut with so many bad defenders on one team, it might be a better idea to construct the best offensive lineup in the league.

is that, if this is really Kerr's current thinking, I hope D'Antoni gives him a call from New York to say, "Gee, I wish I'd thought of that."

[Sissiborgo]

bad trade for Suns..they need some defense..

[ehz33satx]

I'm sorry but adding a selfish chucker toa team with players like Stoudamire and Shaq is a recipe for disaster.


Ssshhh! Don't tell the suns that! Keep it on the down low!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

It's definitely a better move for the Suns than the Bobcats. I could see Larry Brown liking a tough vet like Raja, lost step or not, though I doubt he'll be of much use to Charlotte. Boris Diaw strikes me as the precise sort of softy that he'll turn into his personal whipping boy until he completely craters and LB demands that Jordan trade him, which will be tough to do because he's got a shit contract.

As for Richardson on the Suns, they get back the backcourt size and athleticism they lost when Joe Johnson left for Atlanta. There's a slim chance that somehow between he, Amare, and Shaq all needing the ball that the Suns can make some noise. And that's not bad when all they lost was a past his prime player and a guy with a lousy contract. Low price/potentially high reward trade for them for this season, although still probably not enough to counteract Nash and Shaq steadily declining bodies. Beyond that it's great for them though, as they get out from under a bad contract and get a high 2nd rounder. It's gonna take a lot of great moves like this to wash the stink of trading for Shaq off of Kerr though.

[raspsa]

I'm most curious how Amare will respond to this trade. He's so eager to be recognized as the main man on the Suns.. unfortunately the hiring of Shaq guaranteed that he and not Amare would get the attention and publicity.. the Suns reengineerred their game just to accomodate Shaq and now here comes another guy to share the limelight with.. the Suns could be even more fractured as a result of this trade.

[kaji157]

To the poster who asked how the spurs are gonna defend the suns i think.

Finley will be vanished from this games.

And you have to come up with the Suns players firs, because they can only put 5.

if they go Nash-JRich-Hill-Amare-Shaq, we can go TP-Manu-Bowen-Duncan-KT or include Finley on Hill if necesary or Udoka, i don´t think it´s much of a problem.

TP can usually handle Nash, and i think Hill will do a extremely good job on Nash also. Manu can Handle Hill or Barbosa and let Udoka-Bowen handle JRich, we have a lot of options as most Spurs players know how to defend well, and Finley sometimes can do it too.

[Brazil]

Bump


It's a good trade for Diaw, he will improve now and show he has a lot of talent


After 4 games with his new team Boris has a 18,3 ppg 7,3 reb and 3,8 apg. Against Menphis he had a season high at 26 and 10, the MIP Diaw is back.

[exstatic]

Bump




After 4 games with his new team Boris has a 18,3 ppg 7,3 reb and 3,8 apg. Against Menphis he had a season high at 26 and 10, the MIP Diaw is back.

Diaw was huge for the Suns...when Amare was out. He never seemed to mesh with the whole intact team, though. Ah, well. Suns fan won't have Doris Meow to kick around any more. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bump




After 4 games with his new team Boris has a 18,3 ppg 7,3 reb and 3,8 apg. Against Menphis he had a season high at 26 and 10, the MIP Diaw is back.

He's probably motivated to show everyone how good he can be. Once he finds an In-n-Out burger near his house and also a French Restaurant lazy Diaw will be back till his next contract year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Basically Richardson versus Manu is the key should these two teams meet again, which is not something I'd be comfortable with right now.

[T Park]

seeing as I and O doesn't venture past Phoenix I doubt he will find one.

Although he might find a white castle...

[T Park]

Basically Richardson versus Manu is the key should these two teams meet again, which is not something I'd be comfortable with right now.

Bowen would guard Richardson, Ginobili on Barnes.

[ducks]

I would have traded amare
diaw proved without amare he could be the man
he also is more healthy then amare and signed for a long time

[FromWayDowntown]

I would have traded amare
diaw proved without amare he could be the man
he also is more healthy then amare and signed for a long time

This is the same sort of logic that leads you to conclude that Lebron James is overrated and can't play.

[T Park]

and Albert Pujols is overrated as well.

[The Franchise]

This is turning out to be a good trade so far.

[Brazil]

He's probably motivated to show everyone how good he can be. Once he finds an In-n-Out burger near his house and also a French Restaurant lazy Diaw will be back till his next contract year.

Well we will see: when he is used wisely he has shown he can produce high numbers on a consistent basis.

[Bruno]

I don't think Boris has some kind of motivation troubles. It's just that he will do what the coach asks him to do. If plays aren't designed for him, he won't force things and he will take only 3 shots per game. He is a true team first player.

In Charlotte, Larry Brown asks him do to more things so he just does that. Playing heavy minutes will also do wonders for his shape.

[stéphane]

Diaw's contract really isn't appealing but Boris is really talented and can blossom as a real NBA starter with the cats. One of the best big at feeling the game and giving the timed pass. I wish him the best.
As for PHX... well they're done lol. No seriously. Nash can't defend. Shaq is done and they gave away Bell and Diaw (the only Phx defenders) for JRich.... lmao way to win a ring...

[Brazil]

Diaw is a perfect team mate his problem maybe not enough selfish

[sonic21]

i watched some of the bobcats game, and their frontcourt is impressive, okafor, wallace and diaw complement each other very well.

[bobbybob0]

i watched some of the bobcats game, and their frontcourt is impressive, okafor, wallace and diaw complement each other very well.

Same here, I think their frontcourt can be very good once they each find their role. Diaw for post scoring and passing, Wallace as a slasher and Emeka as bruiser and for his defense down low.

Surprisnigly Lary Brown seems to have embrace Diaw as both a low post player and creator in the high post (or maybe it's because his roster really sucks and he has no choice...) which should fit Boris well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bowen would guard Richardson, Ginobili on Barnes.

Bowen would guard Hill, Ginobili would have no choice but to guard Richardson, Hill would abuse Ginobili so that's the only choice.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Diaw's contract really isn't appealing but Boris is really talented and can blossom as a real NBA starter with the cats. One of the best big at feeling the game and giving the timed pass. I wish him the best.
As for PHX... well they're done lol. No seriously. Nash can't defend. Shaq is done and they gave away Bell and Diaw (the only Phx defenders) for JRich.... lmao way to win a ring...

Yeah, Diaw's a great defender......wtf? These Parker groupies love Parker's BFF almost as much as they love Parker.

[tlongII]

It was a good trade for Phoenix. They're back to being an uptempo team and they can outscore just about anybody. Diaw and Bell are basically scrubs.

[stéphane]

Yeah, Diaw's a great defender......wtf? These Parker groupies love Parker's BFF almost as much as they love Parker.

Yeah a Phoenix fan talking about defense... :lmao

[stéphane]

It was a good trade for Phoenix. They're back to being an uptempo team and they can outscore just about anybody. Diaw and Bell are basically scrubs.

Tell them that in may after they miss the playoff...

[anakha]

Bowen would guard Hill, Ginobili would have no choice but to guard Richardson, Hill would abuse Ginobili so that's the only choice.

Richardson's averaging 18.3 for the Suns since the trade.

Hill's been averaging 11.5 since the trade, under 10 for the season (coincidentally averaging less minutes and points than Barnes).

Sure, put Bowen on Hill instead of Richardson. Right. Great choice. :rolleyes

[tlongII]

Tell them that in may after they miss the playoff...

No way the Suns miss the playoffs with that roster. I don't think the Spurs can beat them, but we'll see.

[mathbzh]

Harris+Carter 75 pts
Roy+Blake 74 pts

I wonder how much Parker+Gino could score against this team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah a Phoenix fan talking about defense... :lmao

A fan of French players talking about defense. How exactly does being a Phoenix resident make it so I don't know about defense?

I'm not saying the Suns are now gonna kill the Spurs in a 7 game series, all I'm saying is this is a good trade for the Suns.

[mathbzh]

A fan of French players talking about defense. How exactly does being a Phoenix resident make it so I don't know about defense?

I'm not saying the Suns are now gonna kill the Spurs in a 7 game series, all I'm saying is this is a good trade for the Suns.

The strange thing is that Phoenix was praising defensive efforts... and now they bring in more firepower and start running once again... Why did they fire D'antoni in the first place?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Richardson's averaging 18.3 for the Suns since the trade.

Hill's been averaging 11.5 since the trade, under 10 for the season (coincidentally averaging less minutes and points than Barnes).

Sure, put Bowen on Hill instead of Richardson. Right. Great choice. :rolleyes

Hill played well against the Spurs when healthy last year. Hill's numbers are down this year because Porter had been dumb enough to bring him off the bench and start Matt Barnes. Hill has averaged 12.5 PPG 5.5 RPG and 2.3 APG as a starter this year, he is a better offensive player than Richardson and was the x-factor against the Spurs last year, when he played well against them the Spurs lost.

Richardson is good but he doesn't make life extremely hard for his defender, he slashes to the hoop occasionally but when he doesn't have the ball he's not extremely active. If Manu guards Hill it increases the Suns chances at winning the series; however, as long as Nash is letting Parker drop 40 the Suns can kiss it goodbye.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The strange thing is that Phoenix was praising defensive efforts... and now they bring in more firepower and start running once again... Why did they fire D'antoni in the first place?

Your guess is as good as mine. They didn't fire D'antoni, I just want to make that clear, but Kerr and Sarver did a very poor job trying to keep him in Phoenix.

In retrospect keeping D'antoni would have been smart but that's because Kerr hired someone who is just as bad at developing the bench and holding players accountable on defense. The problem was Kerr assumed he could just hire a yes-man as coach, tell the guy to preach defense to the team that is too bratty to play defense, and everything will fall into place. he planned a picnic but he didn't read the weather report.

I said it once and I'll say it again, the smartest thing they can do is bring Nash off the bench. it will make it at least possible to go deeper into the bench without digging a huge hole every single time they play. It also makes it so Goran Dragic (the guy Steve Kerr declared "The 2nd best PG" in the draft) will be put in a situation comparable to that of Rajon Rondo whereas he'll be the guy the other team will leave open because he's playing with 4 superior players.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It was a good trade for Phoenix. They're back to being an uptempo team and they can outscore just about anybody. Diaw and Bell are basically scrubs.

Bell at this point in his career is a scrub, Diaw is clearly not a scrub, he just was too inconsistent on the Suns and couldn't share the paint with Amare which they both get blame for. When Amare is constantly barking at everyone that he wants more touches because he's "The man", it got in Diaw's head and got him thinking too much about the shots Amare wants to take. Same thing happened with Odom and Kobe before Kobe grew up.

Anyone who thinks they traded away a good defender in Bell, check up on the stats. T-Mac, Salmons, CJ Miles, Wade, Carter, CP3 (twice, for some reason the coach thinks it's a good idea to switch Bell onto Paul so Nash can leave someone open), and Micheal Redd all didn't seem to find Bell's defense very hard to beat.

[kcplayboi_26]

Basically Richardson versus Manu is the key should these two teams meet again, which is not something I'd be comfortable with right now.

+1

[kcplayboi_26]

Yeah, Diaw's a great defender......wtf? These Parker groupies love Parker's BFF almost as much as they love Parker.

yea i never seen any outstanding D from Diaw either and ive seen damn near everygame since he was here in phx

[stéphane]

A fan of French players talking about defense.

First, where have you seen, I'm a fan of french player?
I'm french? --> correct
I have a Tony picture as an avatar? correct again and so what? you don't even know what this avatar means to me.
Boris is a good guy and i like his versatility? correct
Does that make me a fan of french players? no way in hell
And btw i like bell too. He's a combo of Bruce's cheap shots and Manu's flopping... How can a spurs fan dislike the guy :lol



I'm not saying the Suns are now gonna kill the Spurs in a 7 game series, all I'm saying is this is a good trade for the Suns.

Basically the suns were finally aware the "all offense" gameplan does not get you a ring and they sure did strenghten their D by giving Bell and Diaw and getting JRich :rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

yea i never seen any outstanding D from Diaw either and ive seen damn near everygame since he was here in phx

neither have I, apparently the French Parker groupies know more about the Suns and defense than two people who watch damn near every Suns game.

[stéphane]

neither have I, apparently the French Parker groupies know more about the Suns and defense than two people who watch damn near every Suns game.

now that's a damn good take :rollin

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Basically the suns were finally aware the "all offense" gameplan does not get you a ring and they sure did strenghten their D by giving Bell and Diaw and getting JRich :rolleyes

Again, you assume Bell is still a good defender when he is not. I don't know how many times I have to explain this.

Before the Richardson trade the Suns were doing worse defensively than any D'antoni Suns team has. As long as Nash and Amare are playing and they have a coach with a laid back demeanor rather than a disciplinarian attitude such as Pop or Larry Brown, THEY WILL ALWAYS SUCK AT DEFENSE.

[kcplayboi_26]

Again, you assume Bell is still a good defender when he is not. I don't know how many times I have to explain this.

Before the Richardson trade the Suns were doing worse defensively than any D'antoni Suns team has. As long as Nash and Amare are playing and they have a coach with a laid back demeanor rather than a disciplinarian attitude such as Pop or Larry Brown, THEY WILL ALWAYS SUCK AT DEFENSE.


lol yea i just gave up at explaining about Bell, he declined last year and was just horrible this year. but these guys think he was locking players up hahahaha CLOWNS

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

First, where have you seen, I'm a fan of french player?
I'm french? --> correct
I have a Tony picture as an avatar? correct again and so what? you don't even know what this avatar means to me.
Boris is a good guy and i like his versatility? correct
Does that make me a fan of french players? no way in hell
And btw i like bell too. He's a combo of Bruce's cheap shots and Manu's flopping... How can a spurs fan dislike the guy :lol


Boris is a good guy but he's a lazy guy with a bad attitude, don't tell me he is not when I've seen him out late partying on Saturday when he had a 12:30 game the following Sunday.

And Bell no longer plays D like Bruce Bowen, he said he doesn't want his son to see his dad known as a dirty player. This is rather enraging because the Suns signed him to a contract so he can play defense like Bruce Bowen, they didn't sign him to be a role model. If Bell refused to play physical defense with cheap shots here and there, he would have never been in the NBA, unfortunately he forgot that and now thinks he's an offense first player.

[Brazil]

Globally this trade won't change anything, the suns won't make it this year with or without JR / Diaw or Bell. It's just a good trade for the players.

[Brazil]

Bump ! Diaw and Bell against the suns.

Diaw 26 pts 11 reb 4 assists 2 steals 1 blok
Bell 9 pts 5 reb 8 assist

What a great trade for the suns ! next Amare ?

[ducks]

to bad spurs could not have gotten
diaw

would anyone trade manu for diaw?

[Brazil]

to bad spurs could not have gotten
diaw

would anyone trade manu for diaw?

Not for Manu but I really think that Diaw would be great in SA, he is a natural team player, Pop would do a great job with him. He can bring everything you want : scoring, rebouding, passing too bad he is too expensive.

[doldrums]

Ducks, I normally ignore your comments, but your hate on Manu is sickening. I'll tell you what, we'll trade him for a snickers bar providing you return your home lobotomy set. It's embarrassing to have you as a fellow spurs fan.