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goliath
02-25-2005, 01:35 AM
Buck Harvey: As Rose leaves, question remains
Web Posted: 02/25/2005 12:00 AM CST
San Antonio Express-News

Add up the money. List their heights. Quantify the statistics.

The Spurs win on all counts.

But before announcing that Thursday was about anything more than salary clearing, wait to see if the newcomer has what Malik Rose had for eight seasons.

Heart.

That's not as easy to add, list or quantify.

In other cities Rose's name will get lost among those traded this week. In other cities names such as Chris Webber, Baron Davis and Gary Payton mean more.

But in this city? Rose wasn't just a backup. He embodied the Spurs' image. He was a smart, funny, cooperative, overachieving, tuba-playing, cheesesteak-selling personality.

The same child who paid his fee to a 76ers summer program by sweating in the camp kitchen is the same man who should have been too short and too raw to play in this league. Instead, he worked, developed a jumper and applied a mind capable of a dual college degree in computer sciences and education.

The result: Only six players have played in more NBA games as a Spur, and all six have had their jerseys retired or will.

Rose didn't mind an argument, and his annual rifts with coach Gregg Popovich didn't help his future here. Popovich had traded Rose a year ago, to these same Knicks, until Isiah Thomas backed out at the last moment.

Ultimately, though, Rose's best financial moment is what doomed him. Almost from the day Rose signed his contract, the franchise saw his money as a burden.

That, above all else, is why Nazr Mohammed makes sense. The Spurs need payroll relief — what with both Devin Brown and Luis Scola coming up — and Mohammed's shorter contract provides that.

Mohammed's potential also attracts. His numbers are better than Rasho Nesterovic's this season, and he fills the Spurs' lone flaw: lack of size. Mohammed is a 250-pound big man who can play with Nesterovic or with Tim Duncan.

There were times this season it appeared he could do more. The New York Times declared in December that Mohammed "has been a surprise at center," and Newsday went further in early January.

"Mohammed has a decent shot of backing up Shaquille O'Neal in the All-Star Game in February," the newspaper said. "He headed into last night's game against the Nets with 11 double-doubles, more than any center in the East not named Shaq."

Mohammed fell off from that, and he has excuses. A sore groin limited him recently, and then there are the Knicks. Who could look good with them?

Those in New York see him as a decent man, too, and the press has reason to be fond of him. When Mohammed enters games and splashes rosin dust on his hands, he makes sure to keep his hands below the press table and the computers.

The little things matter.

But there's something that merits concern. Teams have been quick to give up on the rarest commodity in the league, which is a true center. Even if Thomas has little credibility — actually, he has none — why did Philadelphia and Atlanta also let Mohammed go?

The word from New York: Mohammed's looks are deceiving. He's not unlike Charles Smith, another the Spurs once got from the Knicks in a midseason trade.

Mohammed has an NBA body, but he isn't a shot blocker. He can be mechanical and passive, and he doesn't have a jump shot.

Or, he's the opposite of Rose.

So, will Mohammed grind as Rose did in a tight playoff series with Seattle in 2002? With David Robinson hurt, Rose started three games and averaged 20.0 points and 11.7 rebounds.

In NBA Finals pressure, will Mohammed dunk on the road, in Dikembe Mutombo's face, changing momentum, as Rose did in 2003? And will Mohammed have the same playful connection with teammates, the same hatred of losing, the same energy that helped win two championships?

Rose was a mistake player but also a special player. When he wasn't betting Danny Ferry (first one to dive for a loose ball got $20), he was the team spokesman at the retirement of Robinson's jersey.

The city of San Antonio will be worse without him. And that's why money, height and statistics mean something today.

But the heart is another matter.

timvp
02-25-2005, 01:39 AM
Bingo.

MannyIsGod
02-25-2005, 01:40 AM
I hate his writing, but he nailed this one.

Spurs_rock05
02-25-2005, 01:43 AM
The city of San Antonio will be worse without him
that part is very true everybodys bad dream come true
DAMN DAMN DAMN

Aggie Hoopsfan
02-25-2005, 01:44 AM
Good article by Buck.

T Park
02-25-2005, 02:00 AM
Great article.

I guess from the sentimate from everyone we could just fold up the tents and give up on the season.

ChumpDumper
02-25-2005, 02:01 AM
I have questions about this team with Nazr -- but just as many as I had with Rose.

SequSpur
02-25-2005, 02:09 AM
If the Spurs would've somehow found a decent center, Malik would've remained a Spur for life. But for some fucking reason, Popovich likes Rasho, or at least he did.... Who do you get rid of? Rasho? At least he got in Ming's grill last night, Ming would just shoot over Malik, so would most centers. WTF can they do? Dude was in a position to fail. Miami is signing Zo. Detroit has a few big man..... Houston is big.......

WTF? We have Duncan and shit. Can you blame Pop for pulling the trigger?

T Park
02-25-2005, 02:10 AM
Sequ, you contradicted your self in 1 post.

Good job.

mattyc
02-25-2005, 03:51 AM
Spot on, Buck.

ShoogarBear
02-25-2005, 06:03 AM
Man, everyone sees the Charles Smith parallels.

Boy, I sure feel better about his trade now.

MI21
02-25-2005, 08:25 AM
:lol Shoog..

Great article.

NameDropper
02-25-2005, 08:41 AM
Malik is the man.

Jimcs50
02-25-2005, 08:53 AM
:depressed

TwoHandJam
02-25-2005, 11:26 AM
No one can deny that Malik had heart but the reality is that his contract limited the Spurs future and his relationship with Pop limited his value to us.

Why don't see what Nazr can do on a winning team before we pass judgement on this trade.

RobinsontoDuncan
02-25-2005, 12:11 PM
I agree with that article 100% after 8 years there is no such thing as potential in the NBA, nazr is going to be the same if not a worse player than he was for most fo his career.

ducks
02-25-2005, 12:15 PM
yeah pop never makes players better
just look what he did with rose

RobinsontoDuncan
02-25-2005, 12:26 PM
Ok ducks, how about Rasho Nesterovich, did Pop make him better?

baseline bum
02-25-2005, 12:44 PM
Wow... am I the only one who feels like this is a freaking steal? I'm always going to have a spot in my heart for Malik and all he's done for this team, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt last season... but this season it's been more of the same and to get a center for him is outstanding. Nesterovic picks up a lot of fouls and Pop couldn't be happy with how this team was defending Yao with him out. To me this trade is a no-brainer.

ducks
02-25-2005, 12:52 PM
Ok ducks, how about Rasho Nesterovich, did Pop make him better?


he has improved since he was a wolf
he made stephen jackson better

SpurYank
02-25-2005, 01:52 PM
Bash Pop all you want. Four, five years from now he'll be in the top 3 of the winningest NBA coaches of all time. The Spurs, under him, already possess the best winning percentage of most professional sports teams, something that doesn't go unnoticed up here in the East. Does he help individuals get better? As long as it makes the team better, he does.

As a long time Spurs fan who was there when the team left Dallas, Pop has been the best of a long line of excellent coaches.

whottt
02-25-2005, 02:04 PM
Pop does some good moves and finds diamonds in the rough...but he's been lucky as well as good. It's not like he always has some master plan that goes perfectly.

He traded Kerr for Smitty.

He tried to screw Drob for Webber(and I don't think we win the 03 title or any titles if that happens)..and Webber's contract is a true albatross for a small market team like the Spurs.

He wanted to sign Jason Kidd to what now looks to be a horrible deal...


If Pop had gotten his way on some of the things he's wanted we'd be paying 20 million to broken down heaps...and no Manu or Parker becauee the Spurs wouldn't have the financial resources to keep them.

Pop's been good...but he's also been lucky. This organization is lucky to have Pop and I would not trade him for another VP or coach currently in the NBA...but that doesn't mean you instantly give your blessing to every single thing he does, like a blind lemming..he's not perfect...and he has tried to do some things that were obvious mistakes. Big mistakes.

Duff McCartney
02-25-2005, 02:24 PM
I dunno if Mohammed really does offer cap flexibility...he offers the possiblity but what if he does turn out better than Malik? Are the Spurs gonna pay him? Or are they just gonna let him go?

Scola and Devin also are gonna take up money, but what about Mohammed when his contract expires?

ShoogarBear
02-25-2005, 02:30 PM
Pop does some good moves and finds diamonds in the rough...but he's been lucky as well as good. It's not like he always has some master plan that goes perfectly.

Agreed. Pop is overall as good as they come, but he's also had a ton of luck with potential bad decisions never came about.

(Not to mention that if Tim Duncan doesn't bitch, he never puts in Steve Kerr in the '03 playoffs.)

That's why I hate arguments that consist of "well, Pop did it so it must be right". (Or, similiarly, "Barkley says it's good, so it must be".)

Evaluate the trade on your own analysis of its merits, good or bad. Don't just throw a blind faith argument into it.

wildbill2u
02-25-2005, 02:53 PM
The city of San Antonio will be worse without him...But the heart is another matter."

Malik says his home will stay in San Antonio and I believe his heart will also. We have a tradition of stars (Gervin, Sean, etc) who were traded but came home to take their place as part of the San Antonio Spurs family. I think Malik will too. So this isn't goodbye, just "Hasta luego, amigo"