New Conspiracy...

[Yonivore]

So, I've been rolling this around in my brain for awhile and, frankly, haven't posted it because it sounds crazy to me too. But, considering I get ridiculed for whatever I post and no one knows me from Donald Rumsfeld, in here, I thought I'd throw it out there and see how the rest of you respond.

In the past couple of years, but in an accelerated manner since this "economic meltdown" became evident, our government has been completely irresponsible (more so than decades past) with tax dollars.

They're spending like there's no tomorrow.

Maybe there's not. And, maybe they know it.

[BacktoBasics]

What exactly is the conspiracy?

[Twisted_Dawg]

My economic professors told me years ago that our national debt would get so high the only way we would remedy it would be my monotizing the debt either with a currency devaluation........or hyper inflation which is on the way.

[Yonivore]

What exactly is the conspiracy?
I have no idea but, I will tell you what got me to post this thread.

Nah, I'll give you a hint, instead...let's make this fun; for tomorrow, we die!

http://www.dg58.dupage.k12.il.us/Webquest/catch_wave/images/satellite.gifhttp://www.mansfieldct.org/schools/mms/staff/hand/galileo.gifhttp://www.drudgereport.com/moon.jpg

[Extra Stout]

The moon is moving further away, not closer.

[BacktoBasics]

My economic professors told me years ago that our national debt would get so high the only way we would remedy it would be my monotizing the debt either with a currency devaluation........or hyper inflation which is on the way.I'm not totally convinced that hyper inflation is unavoidable.

[Milton.]

What ever keeps you out of the 9/11 topics! :tu

[Yonivore]

The moon is moving further away, not closer.
Why? And, how fast? And, what if the force causing that changed or is changing?

[Yonivore]

What ever keeps you out of the 9/11 topics! :tu

Dream on.

[j-6]

Why? And, how fast? And, what if the force causing that changed or is changing?

I took astronomy in college a while back and if I recall, the solar wind reduces the moon's mass a minute amount every year. Since there is less mass to be attracted to the earth's gravity, the moon moves away at a rate of something like 15 feet every 100 years.

I could probably look this up.

[Yonivore]

I took astronomy in college a while back and if I recall, the solar wind reduces the moon's mass a minute amount every year. Since there is less mass to be attracted to the earth's gravity, the moon moves away at a rate of something like 15 feet every 100 years.

I could probably look this up.
Cool. So, it eventually just flies off into space? Or, does the reduced mass eventually cause earth's mass to attract it even faster?

I'm no physicist or astronomer.

[mouse]

I've been rolling this around in my brain for awhile .

(insert photo of a pea in a bottle cap)

The reason the shit is the way it is so finally all nations will agree on the NWO and one currency.

Kinda like the WTC attack made America agree on going to war same technique.

[Winehole23]

In the past couple of years, but in an accelerated manner since this "economic meltdown" became evident, our government has been completely irresponsible (more so than decades past) with tax dollars.

They're spending like there's no tomorrow.

Maybe there's not. And, maybe they know it.Yonivore dove-tailing with Naomi Klein? The bigger the crisis, the bigger the power grab.

I'll share mine with you. I've been saying for years that Bush's reckless borrow and spend policies were intentional, with the end of driving New Deal/Great Society entitlements over the cliff. Mission nearly accomplished.

I'd applaud if in doing so he hadn't put our grandchildren and great-grandchildren in hock, and debased the USD (guaranteeing a declining standard of living) for us all.

[balli]

(insert photo of a pea in a bottle cap)

:rollin

[Marklar MM]

Its the aliens.

[T Park.]

I think Yonni is on to something here!

[Extra Stout]

Why?
Tidal friction.


And, how fast?
1-3 cm/year


And, what if the force causing that changed or is changing?
Gravity.

[Extra Stout]

I took astronomy in college a while back and if I recall, the solar wind reduces the moon's mass a minute amount every year. Since there is less mass to be attracted to the earth's gravity, the moon moves away at a rate of something like 15 feet every 100 years.

I could probably look this up.
No.

[Yonivore]

Tidal friction.
It's moving away because of tidal friction? I've never heard of friction repelling.


1-3 cm/year
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Gravity.
Wouldn't that be bad?

[Yonivore]

And, if nothing is perpetual, wouldn't the velocity of the moon slow, even without all these other factors? And, if it slows, wouldn't it, eventually, fail to fall past the earth?

[Extra Stout]

It's moving away because of tidal friction? I've never heard of friction repelling.
Argument from ignorance.


Wouldn't that be bad?
Gravity has no qualitative value.

[ChumpDumper]

I thought last night was the closest the moon has been to earth in awhile.

[Extra Stout]

And, if nothing is perpetual, wouldn't the velocity of the moon slow, even without all these other factors? And, if it slows, wouldn't it, eventually, fail to fall past the earth?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[mouse]

I thought last night was the closest the moon has been to earth in awhile.

Are you sure that wasn't Tpark bending over?

You guys keep up the good work and keep Yonnie busy in this topic. I am going to use this opportunity to take a peek at some of the 9/11 topics. brb.......

[balli]

And, if nothing is perpetual, wouldn't the velocity of the moon slow, even without all these other factors? And, if it slows, wouldn't it, eventually, fail to fall past the earth?
:rolleyes
This scientific topic is too much for someone of your ilk. Just stick to the Bible.

[BacktoBasics]

The universe is expanding this isn't new information. The moon was as close to earth as it has been in awile due to a wobble in the rotation but its still generally moving away at a very very slow pace.

[BacktoBasics]

wobble was probably not the best term.

In the language of astronomy, the two extremes are called "apogee" (far away) and "perigee" (nearby). On Dec. 12th, the Moon becomes full a scant 4 hours after reaching perigee, making it 14% bigger and 30% brighter than lesser full Moons we've seen earlier in 2008.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh ok.


The full moon Friday night will be the biggest one of the year as Earth's natural satellite reaches its closest point to our planet....

The moon is moving away as you read this, by about 1.6 inches (4 centimeters) a year. Eventually it'll be torn apart as an expanding sun pushes the moon back toward Earth for a wrenching close encounter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466445,00.html

[boutons_]

US will be screwed if the oil producers start demanding payment in Euros rather than devalued $, sorta like the Europe was fucked worse for a few years when they had to pay for oil in heavily appreciated $s vs Euros.

If FX players move into $ in anticipation of $ appreciation after all this fiat US debt creation, that would help.

Extremely difficult for anybody to predict which way the $ and the US economy will go, but extreme pessismism seems to be the consensus.

I note how the RNC is contributing to the general welfare by its inane attempts to smear Obama with Blagojevich.

[ChumpDumper]

A lot of countries with large economies are going into full-blown Keynesian spending mode -- even China.

We're all in this together, it seems.

[Oh, Gee!!]

What exactly is the conspiracy?

blowing up the moon.

[Milton.]

As long as we still have MySpace it's all good.

[j-6]

No.

Would you mind elaborating? Thanks in advance.

[doobs]

I don't think there's a conspiracy. Just collective stupidity.

[Anti.Hero]

softening us up, weakening us, to make the transition to the NWO easier.

[Anti.Hero]

eek double post :(

[BacktoBasics]

softening us up, weakening us, to make the transition to the NWO easier.I honestly find it hard to stop considering this.

[Anti.Hero]

I honestly find it hard to stop considering this.

Those in power now, will keep some of the power. Those with money now, will still have money afterwards. And if the transition takes longer than their political career, they have made out like bandits in the meantime.

Let's not even argue party sides in this. We have all questioned politicians on both sides and how their ideas could possibly be good for this country. ESPECIALLY IN THE LOOOOOOOONG-RUN which is the most important.

Even now, considering how close to the edge we apparently are in this clusterf#ck...they are still positioning themselves on how to keep their power and money regardless of the country's health/strength.

[Extra Stout]

Would you mind elaborating? Thanks in advance.
The moon is not moving away from the earth because of solar wind reducing its mass (if that were even happening). It is moving away from the earth because tidal friction is accelerating it into a higher orbit.

[mouse]

I don't think there's a conspiracy. Just collective stupidity.


http://www.freefoto.com/images/11/12/11_12_52---Electric-Light-Bulb_web.jpg

[Yonivore]

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Well, if the moon remains in orbit around the earth simply because it's velocity allows it to continue free falling in a line parallel to the earth's surface, wouldn't a reduction in velocity eventually cause the moon to free fall on a shorter trajectory and, thus, collide with the earth?

Here is the explanation of the moon's orbit, in layman's terms, from the University of Indiana:


The moon is an enormous mass of rock subject to the same law of gravity as anything else; and, contrary to what fairy tales tell us, there is nothing holding it up in the sky. So why doesn't it fall down?

To understand how it can be that nothing is holding the moon up and yet it doesn't fall down, you have to remember two things: 1) the earth is round; and 2) the moon is moving horizontally at high speed. It's the horizontal motion over a round earth that keeps the moon from getting any closer.

You can see this more easily by imagining what would happen if the earth were flat. The moon would still travel in a horizontal line above the ground; but because it's also falling, it would come closer and closer to the flat earth until it collided. Now imagine what would happen if the flat earth had a slight bend in it. When the moon passes over the bent part of the earth, in effect it will pick up altitude, because the ground has dropped away underneath it. Now the moon has farther to fall before hitting the ground, and so it can also travel farther horizontally.

Once you realize how the curved earth "drops away" under the moon as it travels, you can see that with a completely round earth, such as we have, it is possible for the ground to "drop away" perpetually. If an object is moving fast enough horizontally, the curve of the earth exactly balances the distance it falls vertically, and the object never gets any closer. And that's what it means to be in orbit.
Isn't it true that if the velocity of the moon were reduced the arc of it's free fall would begin to tighten and, eventually, it would collide with the earth?

What am I missing?

[Yonivore]

The moon is not moving away from the earth because of solar wind reducing its mass (if that were even happening). It is moving away from the earth because tidal friction is accelerating it into a higher orbit.
Agan, I associate friction with drag and not thrust. So, explain to us how tidal friction would increase the moon's velocity.

[Extra Stout]

Agan, I associate friction with drag and not thrust. So, explain to us how tidal friction would increase the moon's velocity.
The tides are slightly out of phase with the moon's orbit because the earth is rotating more quickly than the moon is orbiting. The gravitational force of the earth tries to pull the moon forward to catch up. This pull accelerates the moon and pulls it into a higher orbit. It also slows down the earth's rotation slightly. Angular momentum is transferred.

You don't have to believe this of course. The theory of gravity is not nearly as strong as the theory of evolution, and we know the theory of evolution is just an atheist conspiracy. Plus, Newtonian physics has been disproven anyway. Many conservatives maintain that gravity is just God intelligently pushing us down.

[Extra Stout]

What am I missing?
Apparently most of your high school science classes.

[balli]

:lol

[Nbadan]

blowing up the moon.

...that would make a kick -A movie...or book....

[Nbadan]

...it's gotta be Planet X...

[BradLohaus]

In the past couple of years, but in an accelerated manner since this "economic meltdown" became evident, our government has been completely irresponsible (more so than decades past) with tax dollars.

They're spending like there's no tomorrow.

Maybe there's not. And, maybe they know it.

Give people a credit card with no limit and more often then not they will go nuts with it. Individuals spend like there's no tomorrow everyday.

Every empire goes down this road eventually. Are there conspiracies involving the direction of the spending? Of course; there always has been. Are we being bankrupted on purpose so that the American people will submit to greater international authority? Now that would be a conspiracy.

The most likely explanation is that when you let a group of people spend other people's money with no real limits on debt accumulation, they tend to spend a lot of money.

[Yonivore]

Apparently most of your high school science classes.
Most of my High School Science class was on "tidal friction?" And, I just spent about 5 minutes educating myself on what it took most of your High School Science class to absorb.

[Yonivore]

Give people a credit card with no limit and more often then not they will go nuts with it. Individuals spend like there's no tomorrow everyday.

Every empire goes down this road eventually. Are there conspiracies involving the direction of the spending? Of course; there always has been. Are we being bankrupted on purpose so that the American people will submit to greater international authority? Now that would be a conspiracy.

The most likely explanation is that when you let a group of people spend other people's money with no real limits on debt accumulation, they tend to spend a lot of money.
That would suck.

[Wild Cobra]

So, I've been rolling this around in my brain for awhile and, frankly, haven't posted it because it sounds crazy to me too. But, considering I get ridiculed for whatever I post and no one knows me from Donald Rumsfeld, in here, I thought I'd throw it out there and see how the rest of you respond.

In the past couple of years, but in an accelerated manner since this "economic meltdown" became evident, our government has been completely irresponsible (more so than decades past) with tax dollars.

They're spending like there's no tomorrow.

Maybe there's not. And, maybe they know it.

Notice that it's the more liberal minded people when it comes to spending and the big government people who go for the spending.

My theory is that they do all they can to take a situation to grow government, and a larger burden ofn the tax payer. We already have about half the population that agrees with the government socialists that we are grateful to have the money the government lets us keep, as they give others our money.

It's a way of maintaing control of the people. Have a situation that people allow the government to take away certain personal rights. Liberals are helping us become a Marxist state.

[MannyIsGod]

Apparently most of your high school science classes.


:lmao

ES you really never cease to amaze me with your wealth of knowledge. I swear you're like an encyclopedia. Its awesome.

[ChumpDumper]

Most of my High School Science class was on "tidal friction?" And, I just spent about 5 minutes educating myself on what it took most of your High School Science class to absorb.Dude, you got curbstomped. There is no recovering from this -- just move on and hope people forget. I know I won't.