Global Warming ravages US

[DarrinS]

Low temperature records set in Denver and Montana

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/uschill.gif

[Yonivore]

According to the Associated Press, that's a sure sign the earth is warming.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Somewhere, al gore is frowning.

[2centsworth]

global cooling which became global warming is now called climate change.

[Yonivore]

global cooling which became global warming is now called climate change.
Yeah, to call it global cooling again may have been too obvious.

[Wild Cobra]

i'd ruther it be hotter than colder

No kidding, that map has my location at 12 F, and it is freaking cold. We are normally 30's or 40's in December and not in the 20's until late January are February.

I wonder just how cold it will get here...

[ClingingMars]

i'd ruther it be hotter than colder

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's effing cold outside here in Dallas. Fuck Al Gore, someone turn on the damn heat.

[clambake]

It's effing cold outside here in Dallas. Fuck Al Gore, someone turn on the damn heat.

thats just the cold chill of a future arrival.

[Anti.Hero]

How nice it was for past civilizations to not have their fellow peers freak out over climate change on their 4 billion year old planet.

[mookie2001]

this is the first time someone has started a thread like this

i never thought of that way
rofl global warming my ass its cold outside!

[mookie2001]

How nice it was for past civilizations to not have their fellow peers freak out over climate change on their 4 billion year old planet.you mean 6,000

[doobs]

Global warming has us right where it wants us.

[ClingingMars]

the greatest trick that global warming ever pulled is convincing us of its nonexistence

:lmao

don't you mean global cooling?

-Mars

[ClingingMars]

global warming has many names

such as flaming asshole

mmm never heard that one before

-Mars

[Wild Cobra]

mmm never heard that one before

-Mars

Well, here's my quick hypothesis on the situation.

You take all the flaming assholes in the world, and consider how much farts they are igniting. You'd thing the added CO2 would warm the world. Instead, their unburnt shit hangs in the air like a bad cloud, keeping the sunshine of truth from making it to the earth. Less sunlight = cooling. They try to create a situation to rule from, but it backfires on them.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

global warming reared it's ugly head here in dallas. i wish i could console mr gore.

[RandomGuy]

Over 2,000,000,000,000 tons of ice melted in arctic since '03

WASHINGTON – More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming.

More than half of the loss of landlocked ice in the past five years has occurred in Greenland, based on measurements of ice weight by NASA's GRACE satellite, said NASA geophysicist Scott Luthcke. The water melting from Greenland in the past five years would fill up about 11 Chesapeake Bays, he said, and the Greenland melt seems to be accelerating.

NASA scientists planned to present their findings Thursday at the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco. Luthcke said Greenland figures for the summer of 2008 aren't complete yet, but this year's ice loss, while still significant, won't be as severe as 2007.

The news was better for Alaska. After a precipitous drop in 2005, land ice increased slightly in 2008 because of large winter snowfalls, Luthcke said. Since 2003, when the NASA satellite started taking measurements, Alaska has lost 400 billion tons of land ice.

In assessing climate change, scientists generally look at several years to determine the overall trend.

Melting of land ice, unlike sea ice, increases sea levels very slightly. In the 1990s, Greenland didn't add to world sea level rise; now that island is adding about half a millimeter of sea level rise a year, NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said in a telephone interview from the conference.

Between Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska, melting land ice has raised global sea levels about one-fifth of an inch in the past five years, Luthcke said. Sea levels also rise from water expanding as it warms.

Other research, being presented this week at the geophysical meeting point to more melting concerns from global warming, especially with sea ice.

"It's not getting better; it's continuing to show strong signs of warming and amplification," Zwally said. "There's no reversal taking place."

Scientists studying sea ice will announce that parts of the Arctic north of Alaska were 9 to 10 degrees warmer this past fall, a strong early indication of what researchers call the Arctic amplification effect. That's when the Arctic warms faster than predicted, and warming there is accelerating faster than elsewhere on the globe.

As sea ice melts, the Arctic waters absorb more heat in the summer, having lost the reflective powers of vast packs of white ice. That absorbed heat is released into the air in the fall. That has led to autumn temperatures in the last several years that are six to 10 degrees warmer than they were in the 1980s, said research scientist Julienne Stroeve at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo.

That's a strong and early impact of global warming, she said.

"The pace of change is starting to outstrip our ability to keep up with it, in terms of our understanding of it," said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., a co-author of the Arctic amplification study.

Two other studies coming out at the conference assess how Arctic thawing is releasing methane — the second most potent greenhouse gas. One study shows that the loss of sea ice warms the water, which warms the permafrost on nearby land in Alaska, thus producing methane, Stroeve says.

A second study suggests even larger amounts of frozen methane are trapped in lakebeds and sea bottoms around Siberia and they are starting to bubble to the surface in some spots in alarming amounts, said Igor Semiletov, a professor at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. In late summer, Semiletov found methane bubbling up from parts of the East Siberian Sea and Laptev Sea at levels that were 10 times higher than they were in the mid-1990s, he said based on a study this summer.

The amounts of methane in the region could dramatically increase global warming if they get released, he said.

That, Semiletov said, "should alarm people."

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Ignore the ice melting behind the curtain, pay attention to the winter cold snaps... :rolleyes

[Anti.Hero]

Time to look for Santa's oil.

[doobs]

We're All Going To Die, Don't You Get It?!!?

[Yonivore]

Why haven't the oceans risen? Oh yeah...

Over 2,000,000,000,000 tons of ice formed elsewhere in the world since '03

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Why haven't the oceans risen? Oh yeah...

Over 2,000,000,000,000 tons of ice formed elsewhere in the world since '03

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jimbo056/punchtotheface.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Random, any idea how much lower the oceans would be without the norther melting? You know Antarctica's ice has been getting deeper, right?

Also... The tonnage referred to in your article would be 5.5 mm increase in sea level if it wasn't going someplace else.

[Anti.Hero]

Al Gore should come hang out at the coast with me.

We could see the waters rise over a foot within 24 hours.

[DarrinS]

Thanks to sea ice growing at the fastest pace since 1979, the daily global sea ice anomaly is back to zero -- basically the same amount present in 1980.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/9604_large_gldailyice.jpg

[Yonivore]

LIAR!

[Wild Cobra]

Thanks to sea ice growing at the fastest pace since 1979, the daily global sea ice anomaly is back to zero -- basically the same amount present in 1980.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/9604_large_gldailyice.jpg

Wow...

It's at the long term average!

Where's the decrease in ice mass Random?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jimbo056/punchtotheface.jpghttp://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jimbo056/punchtotheface.jpg

[DarrinS]

Wow...

It's at the long term average!

Where's the decrease in ice mass Random?



His big number was a lot scarier than my graph.

[Wild Cobra]

His big number was a lot scarier than my graph.
Looks like I need to go back to calling him RandomPropagandaGuy?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

His big number was a lot scarier than my graph.
it just needed some music in a minor key

[8ft.tall.tejano]

all the disbelief in this forum still can't explain the unusual temp shifts...going from one extreme to the other...the extreme cool to extreme hot(this past summer was cool by local standards, just wait to see what this upcoming one brings) only proves global warming right...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

all the disbelief in this forum still can't explain the unusual temp shifts...going from one extreme to the other...the extreme cool to extreme hot(this past summer was cool by local standards, just wait to see what this upcoming one brings) only proves global warming right...two words.


mother nature.

you think mankind can overcome nature? hmm?

[Yonivore]

all the disbelief in this forum still can't explain the unusual temp shifts...going from one extreme to the other...the extreme cool to extreme hot(this past summer was cool by local standards, just wait to see what this upcoming one brings) only proves global warming right...
It's called weather. Something meteorologists can't predict three days out.

[8ft.tall.tejano]

weather? mother nature?
next you'll say it's "god"...
and that the world is only 6k years old...
back it up with some facts and i might take it as less of a joke...

[Yonivore]

weather? mother nature?
next you'll say it's "god"...
and that the world is only 6k years old...
back it up with some facts and i might take it as less of a joke...
How 'bout they back up the "global climate change" up with some facts, first.

The facts are; this planet has -- several times in its history -- been damn colder and damn hotter than it is right now. It's liable to get damn cold and damn hot again. And, there isn't a damn thing we can do about it except adapt.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

weather? mother nature?
next you'll say it's "god"...
and that the world is only 6k years old...
back it up with some facts and i might take it as less of a joke...

then what fossil fuels and greenhouse gases contributed to the end of the last ice age?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

And, there isn't a damn thing we can do about it except adapt.and tax

[DarrinS]

all the disbelief in this forum still can't explain the unusual temp shifts...going from one extreme to the other...the extreme cool to extreme hot(this past summer was cool by local standards, just wait to see what this upcoming one brings) only proves global warming right...



Before you know it, helicopters will start flash-freezing in mid air. If you see a giant tidal wave and it's followed by flash freezing, you'd better get yourself to the nearest public library and start burning books in one of the old reading rooms. It is the only thing that will keep you alive.

[8ft.tall.tejano]

Before you know it, helicopters will start flash-freezing in mid air. If you see a giant tidal wave and it's followed by flash freezing, you'd better get yourself to the nearest public library and start burning books in one of the old reading rooms. It is the only thing that will keep you alive.

wow chicken little that had nothing to do w/what i was saying...by no means, in any of my post will you ever find me to be a global warming sensationalist...what i can't deny is the increasingly warm gulf waters, extreme temp change, and water levels, not to forget the fact that the population is closing in on numbers that this planet has never seen before, which can only contribute to more climate change...but whatever go read a bible and pray that your "god" can stop this....

[Wild Cobra]

what i can't deny is the increasingly warm gulf waters, extreme temp change, and water levels,
There are cycles in everything of nature. Global Warming is not necessarily the cause of any increases here. At least not anything significant.


not to forget the fact that the population is closing in on numbers that this planet has never seen before, which can only contribute to more climate change...

I doubt that, but at least you didn't say unsustainable. You could build outer city type four story apartments, shopping, parks, industry, etc. The whole works, for 6 billion people and place it all within Texas. And the apartment size can be 1200 sq ft per person! Farming of course would take up much more area. Maybe the rest of the USA.

[Yonivore]

"wow chicken little that had nothing to do w/what i was saying...by no means, in any of my post will you ever find me to be a global warming sensationalist...what i can't deny is the increasingly warm gulf waters, extreme temp change, and water levels,..."
Okay, where have there been extreme water level changes? And, when it comes to temperature changes, define extreme. Once again, this planet has been a whole lot cooler and a whole lot warmer -- extremely cooler and extremely warmer -- than it is right now and that all the global cooling, global warming, and global climate change alarmists even claim it will ever achieve.[/quote]


"...not to forget the fact that the population is closing in on numbers that this planet has never seen before, which can only contribute to more climate change..."
Really, how?


"...but whatever go read a bible and pray that your "god" can stop this....
So, just what is the ideal temperature, sea level, and ice concentration of this planet? And, why?

[ClingingMars]

this is an epic thread.

oZrhG2iT3H0

-Mars

[spurster]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081216_climatestats.html

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

December 16, 2008

The year 2008 is on track to be one of the 10 warmest years on record for the globe, based on the combined average of worldwide land and ocean surface temperatures, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. For November alone, the month is fourth warmest all-time globally, for the combined land and ocean surface temperature. The early assessment is based on records dating back to 1880.

...

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081216_climatestats.html

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

December 16, 2008

The year 2008 is on track to be one of the 10 warmest years on record for the globe, based on the combined average of worldwide land and ocean surface temperatures, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. For November alone, the month is fourth warmest all-time globally, for the combined land and ocean surface temperature. The early assessment is based on records dating back to 1880.

...
How many more of the temperature monitors have asphalt laid around them than before, or air conditioner vents blowing on them, etc...

I wonder?

http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3360&g2_serialNumber=2 (http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1465)

[Yonivore]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081216_climatestats.html

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record

December 16, 2008

The year 2008 is on track to be one of the 10 warmest years on record for the globe, based on the combined average of worldwide land and ocean surface temperatures, according to a preliminary analysis by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. For November alone, the month is fourth warmest all-time globally, for the combined land and ocean surface temperature. The early assessment is based on records dating back to 1880.

...
The article displays a remarkable level of ignorance on the part of the Associated Press...particularly the part (you left out) where they say the current cooling trend proves the earth is warming. :lmao

Global temperature records are nowhere near accurate enough to rank years, over a period of centuries, with any confidence. For the recent past, though, we have the world's best data set here in the U.S. And it's true that at one time, it was widely believed that the 1990s were the warmest recent decade. But that was before it was discovered that NASA's James Hansen, Al Gore's chief scientific ally, had been fudging the data, either accidentally or on purpose. NASA was forced to correct its data, with the result that the ten warmest years on record here in the US are as follows: 1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938, 1939.

The AP apparently hasn't gotten the word, perhaps because it is relying on the report of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But the IPCC report was a political document, not a scientific one, which deliberately ignored the most current research in the field.

Finally, the AP's claim that the last 11 years have included all of the 10 warmest "on record" is plausible only if you take a very narrow view of the record. It seems obvious that when we talk about the planet's climate, a broader perspective is necessary. So here is the broader perspective[/URL]:

[URL="http://www.heartland.org/custom/semod_policybot/pdf/22835.pdf"]http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/media/WeatherData190.jpg (http://www.heartland.org/custom/semod_policybot/pdf/22835.pdf)

When we talk about "global warming" it is important to ask the right questions. Is the earth continuing to warm up from the "Little Ice Age"? Yes, it has been, at least until recently. Fortunately. Is the earth continuing to warm up from the last real Ice Age, around 10,000 years ago, when the spot where I am now typing was buried under ice a half mile thick? Yes, thankfully! Is the earth warming up compared to where it was five or ten years ago? No.

Many scientists believe that we are entering an era of global cooling. That may or may not be true; climate science is in its infancy and we cannot predict with any confidence what the weather will be 10, 20, or 50 years hence. What we can say for certain is that the way in which the weather "issue" is covered by the Associated Press and other media outlets is a disgrace.

Scientists Denounce AP For Hysterical Global Warming Article (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6982)

[Wild Cobra]

Here's a link worth reading again:

Watts Up With That? August 2007 (http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/)

A few frames from it:

http://www.surfacestations.org/ca/hansen50.jpg

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Detroit_lakes_USHCN.jpg

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Happy_Camp_AC12.jpg

[DarrinS]

I'll bet this one measures a little on the high side

http://www.surfacestations.org/images/lovelock_mig480.jpg


Or this one?

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Tahoe_city3.JPG

[DarrinS]

Another one next to an air field -- this one in Petaluma, CA.

http://www.surfacestations.org/images/petaluma_east.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Why haven't the oceans risen? Oh yeah...

Over 2,000,000,000,000 tons of ice formed elsewhere in the world since '03

Sure, Yoni.

Now tell me where that ice formed.

Source?




(let me guess, it rhymes with "your grass")

[RandomGuy]

Really, I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with the ostriches here.

I merely pointed out the stupidity of posting news reports about cold fronts in winter and using that as some kind of "proof" that the world isn't getting warmer.

[2centsworth]

Really, I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with the ostriches here.

I merely pointed out the stupidity of posting news reports about cold fronts in winter and using that as some kind of "proof" that the world isn't getting warmer.

hasn't that already been addressed? it's a spoof. You didn't happen to take it seriously did you?

[spurster]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081216_climatestats.html

NOAA: Global Temperature for November Fourth Warmest on Record



The article displays a remarkable level of ignorance on the part of the Associated Press...particularly the part (you left out) where they say the current cooling trend proves the earth is warming.


You display a remarkable lack of reading comprehension in your first sentence. The NOAA article is not by the Associated Press, and it doesn't mention your cooling trend.

[DarrinS]

Really, I'm not going to get into another pissing contest with the ostriches here.

I merely pointed out the stupidity of posting news reports about cold fronts in winter and using that as some kind of "proof" that the world isn't getting warmer.



Very simple question:

What is the temperature trend for the years 2006-2008?

That's a 3-year period of time, not a single event.

[RandomGuy]

Very simple question:

What is the temperature trend for the years 2006-2008?

That's a 3-year period of time, not a single event.

3 year time periods mean less than 50-200 year trends, correct?

[Yonivore]

3 year time periods mean less than 50-200 year trends, correct?
Which mean less than 50,000 - 200,000 year trends. Have you looked at that record?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Sure, Yoni.

Now tell me where that ice formed.

Source?




(let me guess, it rhymes with "your grass")so then ocean levels have gone way up then, right? that's a whole lot of water displacement.

[DarrinS]

3 year time periods mean less than 50-200 year trends, correct?



Since there is such a STRONG correlation between CO2 levels and temperature, I would expect the temperature to continue rising.


How about the trend over the last 10 years? It's pretty flat. Have humans reduced emmisions in the last 10 years?

[Wild Cobra]

A friend of mine and I that I haven't seen for a few years had lunch yesterday. He brought up the magetosphere. He says it has been decreasing in intesnity. Now I haven't yet verified his word (he is often wrong) but it has me interested to see if there is such a thing happening. Like the sun, it's something we assume to be rather stable. However, if the earths protection from radiation is being reduced, it will be a cause of additional warming.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/guntersville98/images/mag_sketch_633.jpg

[Yonivore]

A friend of mine and I that I haven't seen for a few years had lunch yesterday. He brought up the magetosphere. He says it has been decreasing in intesnity. Now I haven't yet verified his word (he is often wrong) but it has me interested to see if there is such a thing happening. Like the sun, it's something we assume to be rather stable. However, if the earths protection from radiation is being reduced, it will be a cause of additional warming.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/guntersville98/images/mag_sketch_633.jpg
Just the magnitude of the forces depicted in that image kind of support the proposition anthropogenic climate change is nonsense.

[Wild Cobra]

Here’s some more interesting stuff:

Sun Often "Tears Out A Wall" In Earth's Solar Storm Shield (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/themis/news/themis_leaky_shield.html). First two paragraphs:


Earth's magnetic field, which shields our planet from particles streaming outward from the Sun, often develops two holes that allow the largest leaks, according to researchers sponsored by NASA and the National Science Foundation.

"The discovery overturns a long-standing belief about how and when most of the solar particles penetrate Earth's magnetic field, and could be used to predict when solar storms will be severe. Based on these results, we expect more severe storms during the upcoming solar cycle," said Vassilis Angelopoulos of the University of California, Los Angeles, Principal Investigator for NASA's THEMIS mission (Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions during Substorms). THEMIS was used to discover the size of the leak.
Here are a couple videos:

NASA's THEMIS mission has overturned a longstanding belief about the interaction between solar particles and Earth's magnetic field. (http://www.nasa.gov/mpg/297403main_THEMIS_svsLG.mpg)

This animation shows the latest findings from the THEMIS mission (http://www.nasa.gov/mov/297429main_FSR_512x288.mov)

Here’s some information to support my friend:

Get a Straight Answer (http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/FAQs1.html#q8); about 80% down:


The field has been weakening since Carl Friedrich Gauss measured it around 1836, by about 5% per century, recently accelerating to 7%/century. The decrease in the dipole field is however accompanied by a growth of the non-dipole (=more irregular) components, as shown by Benton and Voorhies. This means that the field is not really weakening, just reshuffling its field linesy, reducing the "main dipole" (=north-south bar-magnet pattern, declining as noted by about 7% per century) and reinforcing the more complicated parts. These tend to contribute a weaker field, because the magnetism originates in the Earth's core, about half an Earth-radius down: all magnetic fields at the surface are weaker than those in the core, because of the distance, but the more complicated fields decrease faster.
As for how much radiation makes it past the magnetosphere, it’s the dipole strength that matters! Decreasing by 7% per century... I wonder how much high intensity radiation gets past, and what the total increase is? It cannot really be much. If it's linear, and it affects only the cosmic radiation, then it is probably between 0.02% to .08% increase in radiation per century. Very little, except these changes wouldn't be measured by the satellites in the Langre 1 orbit. 0.02% is only about a 0.04 C increase, but 0.08% would be about a 0.16C increase! The only proxy we have to see these are Carbon 14 isotopes, which are about 60 years late at seeing the results.

[Yonivore]

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[possessed]

All those polar bears drowning in the Antarctic can come live in my back yard... Shit.

Record snowfall and freezing temperatures up here in north Idaho.

[CubanMustGo]

All those polar bears drowning in the Antarctic can come live in my back yard... Shit.


Polar bears live in the Arctic... Shit.