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duncan228
12-15-2008, 11:58 PM
Duncan beats the clock (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Duncan_beats_the_clock.html)
By Jeff McDonald

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp/hillpat.jpg
Playing with a 22-year-old rookie like George Hill (front) can make Tim Duncan, now in his 12th year, feel old.


As far as Tim Duncan is concerned, there was not much to remember about the night of March 29, 1998.

Most likely, he went through a normal morning shootaround at Market Square Arena. Nothing outstanding happened in pregame. The box score indicates Duncan scored 24 points in the Spurs' victory over the Indiana Pacers, but there's no reason for him to recall that now, either.

What is known about that day, for absolute fact, is this: At some point, Duncan signed an autograph for an 11-year-old boy.

To Duncan, the entire evening was as memorable as laundry day. To that 11-year-old boy, it is a day he will never forget.

“I still have the card he signed,” George Hill says now, beaming. “I've been meaning to bring it up here and show him.”

Hill is now the 22-year-old rookie guard who occupies the locker two stalls down from Duncan, his boyhood idol.

“I do not like that story,” Duncan said, suppressing a grin.

Duncan, the Spurs' 32-year-old All-Star forward, has been feeling ancient enough, after his NBA odometer recently passed 1,000 games. Hill might as well have presented Duncan with a case of Metamucil and a one-way ticket to Boca Raton and been done with it.

“I think I made him feel old,” Hill said.

Old age, of course, is all relative. If Duncan were an attorney, he'd be considered an up-and-coming hot shot. If he were a politician, he'd be too young to run for president.

Once a professional athlete passes the dreaded Three-Oh, however, he begins sizing up his career for a casket.

Yet at times this season, Duncan has been a walking flashback. Through 23 games, he is averaging 21 points and 10.8 rebounds while shooting 52.6 percent, all in line with his career averages. At times, it has been as if he is 22 again.

Monday, Duncan was named the Western Conference's Player of the Week, for a four-game stretch in which he averaged 22 points and 12.5 rebounds.

Through a season of trial and transition — the Spurs played their first 14 games with either Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker injured — Duncan is the main reason his team is 15-8 and loitering near the top of the Southwest Division.

“Timmy never changes,” said Parker, the eighth-year point guard who has played next to Duncan as long as anybody. “He always is who he is.”

Death, taxes and Duncan

To a sportswriter, attempting an annual piece on Duncan can be the ultimate challenge. Rarely is there anything new to report. It is a bit like a travel writer re-visiting the Grand Canyon. After the 12th trip, one exhausts all synonyms for the word “magnificent.”

The beauty of Duncan is his consistency, quarter to quarter, game to game, season to season.

“I pride myself in being consistent every year,” Duncan said. “It ends up where I'm sitting around the same area (statistically) every single year. I'm very proud of that fact, and I hope to be able to continue to do that until I walk out of the door.”

From the beginning, Duncan has been a different breed of superstar. He has never been a player who starred by playing above the rim.

Instead, he plays the game of a pool shark, built on guile and cleverness, knowing the angles and knowing his opponent better than his opponent knows himself.

Those are the skills that made Duncan the centerpiece of four NBA title teams. They are the skills that, many NBA observers believe, might allow Duncan to delay the decline that eventually comes to afflict every player.

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich calls Duncan “an anachronism,” and for good reason: Duncan's bank shot is something straight out of the book of Norman Dale.

“You don't see many people who are as successful as Tim with his level of athletic ability,” Popovich said. “He's not Mr. Athletic, and he knows that. He almost takes pride in it.”

Life begins at 30

The NBA graveyard is littered with players whose production plummeted once they ventured too far into their 30s.

Shaquille O'Neal's scoring averaged dropped six points between his 30th and 31st birthdays. David Robinson, his back a wreck, never scored more than 20 points per game after turning 33. By the time he faced a 23-year-old Duncan in the 1999 Finals, Patrick Ewing was 38 and could barely hobble.

When Duncan's scoring average slipped to 19.3 points last season, the first time he'd finished below 20 without suffering a season-long case of plantar fasciitis, the whispers began. Had Father Time come for Duncan, too?

This season, for the time being, Duncan seems to have muzzled that talk. In the first 10 games with Ginobili and then Parker sidelined, Duncan eclipsed 20 points nine times.

Over the years, Popovich has done his part to help keep some tread on Duncan's tires. Duncan hasn't played more than 40 minutes per game since 2001-02. Last season, he averaged 34, the fewest of his career.

“I've been blessed with some very good teams over the years,” Duncan said. “I'm not having to go out and play 48 minutes. I'm able to play my position and not worry about having to carry a team every night.”

Not done yet

Still, Duncan doesn't need Hill to remind him he's much closer to the end of his basketball life than the beginning.

Unofficially, Duncan has played in 1,002 games. For record-keeping purposes, the NBA only recognizes the regular season, so as far as the league is concerned, Duncan has played in only 847.

Don't tell that to Duncan's knees, which have absorbed the pounding of 155 career playoff games as strenuously as those regular-season contests. There's a reason Duncan did not want to celebrate his milestone game last week against Atlanta.

“I wish it was only 100 (games),” Duncan said, “and I still had 900 to go.”

Popovich would agree. If Duncan had that much time left, it might cause the coach to revisit his vow not to chase Utah's Jerry Sloan to the 20-year mark.

Duncan says he has no specific retirement plans just yet. His current contract runs through 2011-12, by which time he will be 36. He has not ruled out signing another one.

“I care to do it for as long as I can,” Duncan said. “That's all I can say.”

For now, Duncan's career grinds on, 1,002 games and counting. He is older, but not old, at the top of the hill but not over it. He is aging. But like one of Popovich's prized fine wines, he is doing so gracefully.

ClingingMars
12-16-2008, 12:10 AM
that autograph story is hilarious. but not surprising.

-Mars

Manufan909
12-16-2008, 12:21 AM
A decent article by Jeff McD, whaaa?

milkyway21
12-16-2008, 12:26 AM
To Duncan, the entire evening was as memorable as laundry day. To that 11-year-old boy, it is a day he will never forget.

“I still have the card he signed,” George Hill says now, beaming. “I've been meaning to bring it up here and show him.”

wow :wow how time flies. nice story.

it reminds me of that story of a young Tony Parker adolizing the Admiral when he was still a rookie here:D

byrdman31
12-16-2008, 01:11 AM
great article... thanks again duncan228... awesome story








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.Still, Duncan doesn't need Hill to remind him he's much closer to the end of his basketball life than the beginning.

byrdman31
12-16-2008, 01:13 AM
i didnt see that pic :rollin:rollin what is timmy doing to him :lol

Yorae
12-16-2008, 01:15 AM
I think timmy's trying to grab him by the hair....

K-State Spur
12-16-2008, 01:19 AM
32 is not really old for a Big. Karl Malone won an MVP at 35. Most Centers tend to last until 34-35 before experiencing their first major drop-off.

Tim's game isn't really built more on strength and fundamentals as opposed to quickness and athleticism, which are less likely to leave him with age, so it's possible he could last into his late 30s as force.

K-State Spur
12-16-2008, 01:21 AM
A decent article by Jeff McD, whaaa?

It wasn't without error - Patrick Ewing facing Duncan in the '99 Finals?

m33p0
12-16-2008, 03:06 AM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp/hillpat.jpg
looks like Tim driving an ice pick into George's skull for that autograph story.

ClingingMars
12-16-2008, 03:16 AM
It wasn't without error

if it was perfect, then we'd know that he really didn't write it.

-Mars

Quasar
12-16-2008, 09:14 AM
David Robinson, his back a wreck, never scored more than 20 points per game after turning 33.

This is false!

From NBA.com

Born: 08/06/65

2003:
Scored 20 points @ Orlando 1/31/03

2001-02:
scored a season-high 27 points – along with 8 boards and a season-high-tying 7 blocks – in 40 minutes at Orlando on 2/3 … had 25 points (12-19 FG, 1-1 FT) in 37 minutes at Phoenix on 2/24

2000-01:

posted his 13th career 20-20 game, finishing with 29 points and a season-best 22 rebounds in 41 minutes vs. Detroit on 1/6
scored 20 or more points 12 times with a season-high 34 vs. Dallas on 4/10


Wow... keep forgetting how good he still was in his last years... Miss him so much!

:(

Manufan909
12-16-2008, 09:22 AM
It wasn't without error - Patrick Ewing facing Duncan in the '99 Finals?

Did he face Ewing in the playoffs at all that year?

mrspurs
12-16-2008, 09:38 AM
Ill say this, when the POs started last season, it was Timmy who looked old. (then again playing against Amare and Shaq, then Tyson and West can make anyone look old). But from the way he looked, he didnt look like the Timmy of old. Some say he had a fever come at the wrong time. I just think he got outplayed 2 vs 1 every night he played. But the way he came out to start this season, has been outstanding. It tells me that maybe it wasnt a fever. Maybe it was the fact he was being doubled teamed and just couldnt score at will. Im a big Timmy fan, but the FO hasnt done a thing to make me think that the same thing wont happen again. If they double Timmy then they shut the paint down. And like last season it will knock us out again. Matt has helped but imo, Matt will find the bench come PO time. I hear Ian is playing in practice. I hope he doenst hurt himself, so we can finally see what this kid has to offer. And I dont mean playing for the scrubs in Austin.

Kori Ellis
12-16-2008, 09:44 AM
This is false!

From NBA.com

Born: 08/06/65

2003:
Scored 20 points @ Orlando 1/31/03

2001-02:
scored a season-high 27 points – along with 8 boards and a season-high-tying 7 blocks – in 40 minutes at Orlando on 2/3 … had 25 points (12-19 FG, 1-1 FT) in 37 minutes at Phoenix on 2/24

2000-01:

posted his 13th career 20-20 game, finishing with 29 points and a season-best 22 rebounds in 41 minutes vs. Detroit on 1/6
scored 20 or more points 12 times with a season-high 34 vs. Dallas on 4/10


Wow... keep forgetting how good he still was in his last years... Miss him so much!

:(

Yeah, you are right. In 1999-00, he averaged 17.8 points at the age of 34. So I'm sure a lot of those games were over 20 points. But I think McDonald was trying to say David never averaged 20 points at that age.

David also averaged 30 minutes a game (and 80, 80, 78 games a year) at ages 34, 35 and 36. So I think Timmy has some good years ahead :)

sonic21
12-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Did he face Ewing in the playoffs at all that year?

he was injured during the finals

MaNuMaNiAc
12-16-2008, 09:49 AM
Yeah, you are right. In 1999-00, he averaged 17.8 points at the age of 34. So I'm sure a lot of those games were over 20 points.

David also averaged 30 minutes a game (and 80, 80, 78 games a year) at ages 34, 35 and 36. So I think Timmy has some good years ahead :)

wouldn't the phrase "more than 20 points per game" refer to the season average rather than individual games?

Kori Ellis
12-16-2008, 09:51 AM
wouldn't the phrase "more than 20 points per game" refer to the season average rather than individual games?

Yeah I clarified in my post that was what McDonald was saying.

MaNuMaNiAc
12-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Yeah I clarified in my post that was what McDonald was saying.

ah, saw it now :toast

Quasar
12-16-2008, 10:36 AM
wouldn't the phrase "more than 20 points per game" refer to the season average rather than individual games?

Oops I missed the "Per game".... was reading too fast - that's what happens when you're reading articles while you're in the office! :nope

Blake
12-16-2008, 10:49 AM
A decent article by Jeff McD, whaaa?

my first thought exactly.......whaaaa? x2

it's good to know that guys that depend on their athleticism like Amare and KG will fade away while a guy like Duncan will keep plodding along putting in 20 and 10 nights until he is almost 40.

peskypesky
12-16-2008, 11:36 AM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp/hillpat.jpg
looks like Tim driving an ice pick into George's skull for that autograph story.

:lmao

peskypesky
12-16-2008, 11:40 AM
my first thought exactly.......whaaaa? x2

it's good to know that guys that depend on their athleticism like Amare and KG will fade away while a guy like Duncan will keep plodding along putting in 20 and 10 nights until he is almost 40.

EXACTLY!!!

i think Tim could easily play til 40 because his game is based more on footwork, timing, and basketball IQ. He's not as prone to injury and his body won't take a beating the way Amare's will.

But I disagree with you about KG, as I think his game will allow him to play into his late 30s. I don't think you can equate his game with Amare's.

Manufan909
12-16-2008, 11:41 AM
my first thought exactly.......whaaaa? x2

it's good to know that guys that depend on their athleticism like Amare and KG will fade away while a guy like Duncan will keep plodding along putting in 20 and 10 nights until he is almost 40.

Duncan228 would like it to be known she hates having "plodding" used to describe her husban... favorite player she has no connection to. From now on insert said word with scooching.:flag:

wildbill2u
12-16-2008, 11:43 AM
Yeah, you are right. In 1999-00, he averaged 17.8 points at the age of 34. So I'm sure a lot of those games were over 20 points. But I think McDonald was trying to say David never averaged 20 points at that age.

David also averaged 30 minutes a game (and 80, 80, 78 games a year) at ages 34, 35 and 36. So I think Timmy has some good years ahead :)

His 'lift' on rebounds and shots may decline from 1 inch to 1/2 inch as he gets older. That's sure to cause a serious drop in his stats. :wakeup

Blake
12-16-2008, 11:44 AM
Duncan228 would like it to be known she hates having "plodding" used to describe her husban... favorite player she has no connection to. From now on insert said word with scooching.:flag:

how about 'laboring'

timvp
12-16-2008, 11:46 AM
I don't think age will effect Duncan too much. The thing to be worried about is injury. Robinson could have played at a high level for a while longer if he didn't hurt his back. As long as Duncan is healthy, he'll be one of the better bigmen in the league.

Blake
12-16-2008, 11:46 AM
But I disagree with you about KG, as I think his game will allow him to play into his late 30s. I don't think you can equate his game with Amare's.

maybe. We'll see I guess.

I think his footwork is weaker than people make it out to be, but I will say the positive for KG is that he has a decent outside shot.....

timvp
12-16-2008, 11:49 AM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/temp/hillpat.jpg

Before heading to the bench, Tim Duncan downloads his basketball knowledge into George Hill's cranial USB port.

dbreiden83080
12-16-2008, 12:10 PM
I love how under-rated Duncan always is as an athlete, he even says he's not great. But i don't recall too many players near 7 feet that run the floor the way he has in his career or can handle the ball like he does. Timmy just is not a big leaper, but he is really great at everything else that defines a great athlete..

SpursFanFirst
12-16-2008, 01:00 PM
“I do not like that story,” Duncan said, suppressing a grin.

:lol

but what a cool story...who knew 11 years or so later, this kid would be playing next to him? That's just really awesome.

Ed Helicopter Jones
12-16-2008, 01:17 PM
It wasn't without error - Patrick Ewing facing Duncan in the '99 Finals?

I saw that, too. I guess McDonald didn't pay too much attention to the '99 Finals.

The Gist
12-16-2008, 01:24 PM
I went back in time and put George up to it that way he could have a heart warming story when he came on to the team.

SenorSpur
12-16-2008, 01:37 PM
My primary hope is that Duncan remains healthy for the remainder of his career. Secondly, I trust that the Spurs are able to successfully identify a suitable, frontline running mate for him, so that he doesn't have to carry the bulk of the low-block scoring, defense, rebounding and shotblocking responsibilities, as he does now. That frontline running mate doesn't have to be a franchise-type player. Just a productive, complimentary, young bigman that can help him do some of the heavy-lifting now and eventually assume the mantle once Duncan retires.

I don't know that that player is on the roster now. If Ian could become that player - great. If the Spurs were to somehow land Chris Bosh, by some miracle - even better.

Galileo
12-16-2008, 01:40 PM
Why does everyone say Duncan is not athletic? For one thing, he was the # 1 overall draft pick. Being only 6' 11" is not a big deal, number ones are always athletic.

I remember Duncan back in the Robinson/Duncan days. Duncan played above the rim and shot over the top of everyone, and rebounded above the rim. On D, he blocked shots out of nowhere. And he had great coordination. That was 10 years ago.

Duncan was more athletic than Dwight Howard is today.

For a 32 year old at 6' 11", Duncan is easily the most athletic player in the league. Today, compared to the youngters, Duncan is still above average athletic, but he is the smartest and most skilled player in the game.

peskypesky
12-16-2008, 02:23 PM
I love how under-rated Duncan always is as an athlete, he even says he's not great. But i don't recall too many players near 7 feet that run the floor the way he has in his career or can handle the ball like he does. Timmy just is not a big leaper, but he is really great at everything else that defines a great athlete..

And what about his arm??? Have you seen some of the full-court bombs he's been throwing lately, and with pinpoint precision?? That passing ability (and I'm talking football passing here) has got to be considered when discussing his athleticism.

xtremesteven33
12-16-2008, 02:24 PM
Duncan was more athletic than Dwight Howard is today.

Duncan is easily the most athletic player in the league


-Duncan was never as athletic as Howard is
-Duncan is not even in the top 5 of most athletic players today....

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Josh Smith
5. Amare

peskypesky
12-16-2008, 02:31 PM
I love how under-rated Duncan always is as an athlete, he even says he's not great. But i don't recall too many players near 7 feet that run the floor the way he has in his career or can handle the ball like he does. Timmy just is not a big leaper, but he is really great at everything else that defines a great athlete..

With all due respect, Tim lacks speed. If you think he runs the floor well, you have to check out some footage of DRob back in the day. That dude ran the floor like a gazelle.

Tim definitely has GREAT hands. He's also a decent dribbler, although I haven't seen him do crossovers like Shaq.

So to sum it up, Duncan's physical prowess is composed of height, footwork, balance, soft hands, timing, decent amount of strength, ball-handling, shooting ability (bankshot, etc), and passing. Weak points are lack of speed and hops.

But all those skills above are not what adds up to make him a great athlete. What makes him a great athlete is the combination of the physical with the mental and the emotional. He WANTS to win and he UNDERSTANDS how to win. You add all three together, the physical, the mental and the emotional, and you have a Champion.

Spurs Brazil
12-16-2008, 02:32 PM
Finally a good article for McDonald

TD is so great that he makes everyone better, even McDonald

CubanMustGo
12-16-2008, 02:47 PM
TD is so great that he makes everyone better, even McDonald

:rollin

duncan228
12-16-2008, 02:52 PM
With all due respect, Tim lacks speed. If you think he runs the floor well, you have to check out some footage of DRob back in the day. That dude ran the floor like a gazelle.

Tim definitely has GREAT hands. He's also a decent dribbler, although I haven't seen him do crossovers like Shaq.

So to sum it up, Duncan's physical prowess is composed of height, footwork, balance, soft hands, timing, decent amount of strength, ball-handling, shooting ability (bankshot, etc), and passing. Weak points are lack of speed and hops.

But all those skills above are not what adds up to make him a great athlete. What makes him a great athlete is the combination of the physical with the mental and the emotional. He WANTS to win and he UNDERSTANDS how to win. You add all three together, the physical, the mental and the emotional, and you have a Champion.

Nicely done. :tu

Duncan is a classic case of making the most of the natural gifts you were given. He's worked his entire career at maintaining and trying to improve his skills.

I think he did show more hops before his knee surgery, that changed the jumping he did do. Although he's still the one jumping for the tip every night.

Strike
12-16-2008, 03:07 PM
This is false!

From NBA.com

Born: 08/06/65

2003:
Scored 20 points @ Orlando 1/31/03

2001-02:
scored a season-high 27 points – along with 8 boards and a season-high-tying 7 blocks – in 40 minutes at Orlando on 2/3 … had 25 points (12-19 FG, 1-1 FT) in 37 minutes at Phoenix on 2/24

2000-01:

posted his 13th career 20-20 game, finishing with 29 points and a season-best 22 rebounds in 41 minutes vs. Detroit on 1/6
scored 20 or more points 12 times with a season-high 34 vs. Dallas on 4/10


Wow... keep forgetting how good he still was in his last years... Miss him so much!

:(

Actually, what he meant was David never averaged over 20 per game in a season after turning 33. It's accurate. From the '99 lockout shortened season (he turned 33 in August '98) until his final season in '02-'03, he never averaged more than 17.8 points per game in a season.

To say he never scored 20 or more points in any game after his 33rd birthday is obviously false (based on your post), but it would be almost ludicrous to say that a player of his caliber would never pull it off in 5 seasons.

Yorae
12-16-2008, 09:26 PM
I remember there is a player back in the 80s I think that got injured and lost his explosiveness but still became very dominant on his return because he did what's Duncan doing now...can't find him...

dbreiden83080
12-16-2008, 09:36 PM
With all due respect, Tim lacks speed. If you think he runs the floor well, you have to check out some footage of DRob back in the day. That dude ran the floor like a gazelle.

Compare anyone to D-Rob from a pure athlete point of view at that size and he wins. The man was a freak on nature in that department.. Duncan's the better basketball player though. But Timmy at 6'11 roughly 260 pds, hell yeah he is fast especially in his youth. Watch footage of him in 99 finals with the knicks, lighting quick spin moves to the baseline, running the floor finishing alley-oops. For example, living in NY i watched Ewing play up close his whole career and he never moved like Tim, had his coordination or ball handling ability. Tim has awesome hands, but also his hand-eye coordination is that of a NFL Tight-End..


"Tim definitely has GREAT hands. He's also a decent dribbler, although I haven't seen him do crossovers like Shaq"

LOL, Shaq other than goofing off in an all star game is not much of a ball handler. Timmy brings it all the way up court and goes through his legs all the time with total ease.