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ChumpDumper
12-21-2008, 09:55 PM
Box Score (http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=2020800076)

Toros Run Away From Vipers For Sixth Straight Win

AUSTIN, TX, Dec. 21 -- Malik Hairston and Andre Brown each posted 22 points as the Austin Toros erased a 15-point third-quarter deficit and notched their sixth straight win with Sunday's 102-89 victory over the visiting Rio Grande Valley Vipers on Sunday.

Austin went on an 11-0 run late in the third and then outscored Rio Grande Valley by 18 in the final frame to cruise to the win.

Marcus Williams contributed with 21 points, while Brown added 14 rebounds and two blocks to his stellar statistical afternoon.

Smush Parker paced the Vipers, who have lost two straight, with a game-high 23 points and Trent Strickland chipped in with 19. The two combined to bury six 3-pointers.

The Toros controlled a major advantage on the glass (55-38) and a small, but significant, gap on steals (10-7).

"We did a great job in the second half defensively that carried over to the offensive end," Toros head coach Quin Snyder said. "It was a tough game to have before Christmas but now we can enjoy the holidays."

Austin will seek its seventh consecutive triumph when it hosts Tulsa on Friday, while Rio Grande Valley will hope for a rebound performance when it hosts Los Angeles that same night.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20081221/RGVAUS/recap.html

The Toros looked like complete crap in the first half -- especially when Squeaky Johnson went out with his third foul. Quin is still trying to find someone to back him up, but both Robert McKiver and Tack Minor were yanked after a few ineffective minutes. Hairston and Ezra Williams were bringing up the ball when Squeaky was out, but I can't really say they were playing point guard. Ezra especially was taken out of his offensive game while handling the ball. He was only 1-12 from the field, though he was a perfect 7-7 from the free throw line and grabbed 10 boards.

The major players' roles seem to be more clearly defined now that Ahearn and Tolliver are gone.

Marcus Williams: Manly a jump shooter on offense, primary perimeter defender and fireman when someone on the opposing team gets hot. He started out guarding Smush Parker and was switched to Stanley Asumnu and Alpha Bangura when they got hot.

Malik Hairston: Attacks the basket on offense, though he breaks out his three pointer later in games when defenders back off him a bit. That has helped keep his 3pt percentage at a ridiculous 60%. Gets to the line a lot due to his penetrations. Defense can be a little streaky, as can his foul totals, but he can be counted on for an athletic block almost every game.

Andre Brown: Primary post scorer. Good in the low or high post, but not much range beyond about 10-12 feet. Not an NBA shot blocker, but at least keeps his arms up on D. Excellent rebounder. Strong, but had a little trouble with the much heaver Alton Ford tonight. The Toros even started sending Brown some help covering him before Ford fouled out.

Charles Gaines: Becoming a bit more of a garbage man since Brown gets more touches and defensive attention, but that hasn't lowered his effort lever at all. Decent athlete but undersized. Streaky rebounder. Runs the floor very well.

Ezra Williams and Serge Angounou are as good as a D-League team without NBA players can hope to have in sixth and seventh men. There is still a huge hole at backup point that needs to be filled.

The Toros' record is a little deceiving since they just game off a three game stint against the basket case Albuquerque Thunderbirds -- whom they only squeaked by twice after the first dominating win with NBA players on the roster. They still need to work on their defense, as they will have to rely on it more than they have scoring with Ahearn and Tolliver. Still, their first place in the division is well-deserved.

ChumpDumper
12-21-2008, 09:55 PM
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Reck
12-21-2008, 09:57 PM
Nice pics man. Thanks for sharing.

tp2021
12-21-2008, 09:57 PM
Smush Parker is in the D-League? Damn! :lol

Amuseddaysleeper
12-21-2008, 10:01 PM
Malik needs to sign with the Spurs.

timtonymanu
12-21-2008, 10:05 PM
Smush Parker is in the D-League? Damn! :lol

after being a starter for the Lakers.:lmao

Austin_Toros
12-21-2008, 10:25 PM
thanks for the pics!!



Malik needs to sign with the Spurs.

i agree, as long as marcus williams is signed as well :blah
he had yet another solid performance tonight

T Park
12-21-2008, 11:26 PM
Malik needs to sign with the Spurs.

Not ready yet.

When his defense is better, then he will be ready.

ChumpDumper
12-21-2008, 11:31 PM
I'm fine with calling up any player that is showing promise for a tryout. That's what spot #15 is for. Hairston is right up there with any SG playing in the D-League now.

T Park
12-21-2008, 11:33 PM
I think the problem is there's no playing time with the Spurs for him right now.

If Finley or one of the other SGs went down, I gaurantee you he would get called up.

Blackjack
12-21-2008, 11:46 PM
I'm fine with calling up any player that is showing promise for a tryout. That's what spot #15 is for. Hairston is right up there with any SG playing in the D-League now.

:tu

Besides, Hairston's defensive consistency could improve, but that's not what's keeping him from getting called up.

Like it or not, in Pop's eyes, the minutes just aren't there for Malik at the moment. Unless there's an injury, trade, or player that completely falls out of Pop's favor, It's hard to see Malik getting the call-up.

ChumpDumper
12-21-2008, 11:46 PM
It's not so much about PT this season. It's more about seeing who might contribute in the future. I agree it's kind of a nebulous guessing game, but it's what they have to work with.

Blackjack
12-21-2008, 11:56 PM
It's not so much about PT this season. It's more about seeing who might contribute in the future.

From the Spurs' perspective, it's probably better for his development to be playing big minutes with the Toro's instead of sitting their bench.

I'd personally like to see the Spurs lock-up his rights in order to not lose him, (since I believe he is a present and future prospect) but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Indazone
12-22-2008, 12:05 AM
So is Hairston NBA ready?

ChumpDumper
12-22-2008, 12:38 AM
From the Spurs' perspective, it's probably better for his development to be playing big minutes with the Toro's instead of sitting their bench.

I'd personally like to see the Spurs lock-up his rights in order to not lose him, (since I believe he is a present and future prospect) but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.Well, they'd have to call him up to do that, so....

Blackjack
12-22-2008, 01:44 AM
Well, they'd have to call him up to do that, so....

That's what I'd personally like to see, but I'm not holding my breath.(for reasons already mentioned)

It's really going to be disappointing if, because of a #'s game, we miss out on a nice young prospect.:depressed

timvp
12-22-2008, 02:35 AM
Awesome work on the report and the pix, CD. :tu

From your pix, it looks like Hairston continues to slim down. Williams still has that lopsided hand placement on the ball when he shoots ... and it looks like his elbow still sticks out. Is his form in real time any less funky?

Brown's lack of shot blocking talent keeps me from being overly excited about him. Good athlete, very good rebounder, pretty good offensively but a horrible shot blocker. Watching him play, it's amazing that he is a substantially worse shot blocker than Matt Bonner.

With Oberto out, it'd make some sense to sign and call up Brown and play him some spot minutes to see if he's a player who fits. His ability to rebound and run the floor very well could make him a solid energy big for the Spurs. If Tolliver can't get over his NBA yips and start hitting threes and Mahinmi can't get healthy, Brown is probably good enough to be a 5th big in the NBA.

benefactor
12-22-2008, 06:55 AM
I think the problem is there's no playing time with the Spurs for him right now.

If Finley or one of the other SGs went down, I gaurantee you he would get called up.
Finley is getting a lot of minutes right now...which I can't say I am entirely comfortable with in the long run. With Udoka firmly entrenched in the dog house and not showing any real signs of wanting to come out, I don't see why they couldn't at least give Hairston few games to see where he is on the NBA level.

With Oberto out, it'd make some sense to sign and call up Brown and play him some spot minutes to see if he's a player who fits. His ability to rebound and run the floor very well could make him a solid energy big for the Spurs. If Tolliver can't get over his NBA yips and start hitting threes and Mahinmi can't get healthy, Brown is probably good enough to be a 5th big in the NBA.
Agreed. I don't see why we need two Matt Bonners anyway. He looks to be stronger than Tolliver and if he can play respectable defense and pull down some boards I would be for giving him a shot.

ilovethaspurs09
12-22-2008, 12:42 PM
Smush Parker is in the D-League? Damn! :lol

LOL Dude u took tha words right out of my mouth I said the same damn thing!! I was wondering what happened to him!!

ChumpDumper
12-22-2008, 06:43 PM
Williams still has that lopsided hand placement on the ball when he shoots ... and it looks like his elbow still sticks out. Is his form in real time any less funky?No, it's just as weird in person. The results have been ok this year, but he should really consider overhauling it next summer. The main problem I have with it is that it takes forever for him to get the shot off.