Laker's record deceiving?

[scanry]

I've been watching them closely over the past two weeks (as a San Diego resident, their games are force fed anyways) and i haven't seen them play one good game.

Kobe's the only one who really cares on that team. Gasol is fading and fading fast. Bynum no longer is putting in the effort as he has that big contract now. Odom is really stinking.

I don't see this team winning the west. IMO the Hornets are slowly but surely catching them and they are playing a lot better than before.

Spurs are a long shot, but atleast we are improving as we're going along. Lakers on the other hand look like they are hitting a brick wall. It's still December though.:toast

[Armando]

It will even out in the end. I still think the Lakets will likely be the #1 seed in the West but it will be a tight in the end for the top seed. I think it will be Boston or Cleveland with the top overall record.

[j.dizzle]

need to play with more intensity (mostly on the defensive end) thats basically the problem..im actually happy their next 2 games are vs contenders cuz they actually try verse those teams

[scanry]

need to play with more intensity thats basically the problem..im actually happy their next 2 games are vs contenders cuz they actually try verse those teams


That's the thing with them though. They'll blow out teams like Houston, Hornets, Suns & probably the Spurs too, but lose against the weaker teams. That will surely haunt them in the Playoffs.

One thing i don't see in this team is character, and Phil for some reason doesn't care any more. BTW Bynum is getting abused in every game after he signed that big contract. I was too fond of Shaq, but he atleast wasn't MIA on too many games.

[JamStone]

It's not about the road with the Lakers, it's the competition. The Lakers have been an excellent road team.


The Lakers play well against good teams, they just play bad against bad teams.

But we can wait until the Lakers play some good teams on the road before I say I told you so. Lakers go see Miami, Orlando, Memphis and Hornets next week. If they lose any of those games, it will be to Memphis.

[Def Rowe]

Basically every Laker stat where they appear to do well is decieving.

[j.dizzle]

haha they fucking suck they only have the number 1 offense in the league..once they pick up the defensive intensity its over

[DazedAndConfused]

The Lakers have no identity right now.

Phil Jackson for whatever reason insists on starting Luke Walton. His reason for not starting Odom was because his jumpshot was poor yet he starts the player on the team with the worst jumpshot. Radmanovich has clearly outplayed him all season long and is now relegated to bench minutes. It's mind boggling what Phil and the coaching staff are doing.

If you watch the Lakers attempt to play defense they simply double team every guy that has the ball. They doubled Hakeem freaking Warrick two or three times which led to easy 3pt shots. Nobody on the team knows how to play solid team defense. Phil Jackson can't coach D, Kurt Rambis is possibly more clueless after his strong side zone got figured out, and neither Hamblen nor Cleamons have a clue.

If the Lakers want to win a ring they need to hire a defensive coordinator outside of Phil J. circle of friends. If Jeff Van Gundy could be persuaded he'd be perfect.

[JamStone]

Saying the Lakers aren't as good as their record and saying they fucking suck are two completely different things. A team can be very, very good and still not be as good as their record makes them appear.

[Allanon]

The Lakers were getting a little too cushy. I think the Lakers are better than their 22-5.

After the Lakers whup the Hornets tonight, I'll remind you that "I told you so".

[stretch]

The Lakers were getting a little too cushy. I think the Lakers are better than their 22-5.

After the Lakers whup the Hornets tonight, I'll remind you that "I told you so".

Lakers play crappy defense and rely on the three. I think the Lakers are worse than their 22-5.

After the Cavaliers whup the Lakers in the Finals (IF they get there), I'll remind you that "I told you so".

[Allanon]

Lakers play crappy defense and rely on the three.

I think you're right about the crappy defense. It's been bad lately; however, I think their defense is showing signs of improvement.



After the Cavaliers whup the Lakers in the Finals (IF they get there), I'll remind you that "I told you so".

The Cavs? The Cavs are not nearly as good as their record.

It will be Boston and the Lakers again and I suspect the results will be different this time. The only team in the East capable of beating the Celtics...the Hawks and maybe the Magic.


I think the Lakers are worse than their 22-5.

I think that will be answered on Christmas Day. If they lose, I agree. But when they win, "I told you so" :lol

[monosylab1k]

When the Mavs win tonight against Memphis, I'll remind everyone that "I told you so"

[dirk4mvp]

When the Mavs win tonight against Memphis, I'll remind everyone that "I told you so"


When the Mavs are up 8 with 12 seconds left and everyone's done trying, I don't expect Dirk to dunk the ball then look at the Grizzlies players like he's a hardass.

[dirk4mvp]

It will be Boston and the Lakers again and I suspect the results will be different this time. The only team in the East capable of beating the Celtics...the Hawks and maybe the Magic.





Besides wishful thinking, what the hell suggests the Lakers could beat the Celtics in a series?

[Allanon]

First of all, don't overlook the Grizzlies. They are a threat to make the Playoffs this year in my opinion.

As for beating the Celtics in a series, they have no backup big men. That is why the Celtics will lose.

[monosylab1k]

Besides wishful thinking, what the hell suggests the Lakers could beat the Celtics in a series?

They got great preparation for the Celtics because of all those super hard back-to-backs :cry

[dirk4mvp]

As soft as Gasol and Bynum have been playing, they don't need any backup bigmen.

Lamar Odom is a worthless piece of shit, also. He actually makes me glad we have Smokey rather than him.

[monosylab1k]

First of all, don't overlook the Grizzlies. They are a threat to make the Playoffs this year in my opinion.

When they don't get within 15 games of the 8 seed, I'll remind you that "I told you so"

[Allanon]

As soft as Gasol and Bynum have been playing, they don't need any backup bigmen.

Lamar Odom is a worthless piece of shit, also.

In a 1 gamer, you may be right. But in the course of a 7 game series, the lack of backup big men really shows.

As for Odom, he's #2 on the team in +/-. He makes the team go, but he's overlooked because he doesn't score 15 points.

[Allanon]

When they don't get within 15 games of the 8 seed, I'll remind you that "I told you so"

You're on!

OJ Mayo is easily Rookie of the Year and he has the killer instinct. If they don't make the Playoffs this year, it will be next year at the latest.

[Spur-Addict]

When the Mavs are up 8 with 12 seconds left and everyone's done trying, I don't expect Dirk to dunk the ball then look at the Grizzlies players like he's a hardass.

Being upstaged by a rookie two guard will do that to you if you are considered the best player in the game by some.


First of all, don't overlook the Grizzlies. They are a threat to make the Playoffs this year in my opinion.

As for beating the Celtics in a series, they have no backup big men. That is why the Celtics will lose.

And the Lakers do? :lol

Excuse me if I don't think Mihm is an adequate replacement. Nor will the Lamar name drop work because he was owned by powe of all the people. The so labeled "Flopper" out muscled everyone on that frontline, starter or reserve.

Bynum starts, but he isn't that impressive right now. I see most of his offense comes from direct passes when he's two feet from the rim. He is foul prone against decent frontlines which i've noticed lately.

[Allanon]

Being upstaged by a rookie two guard will do that to you if you are considered the best player in the game by some.

I just got that comment by dirk4mvp and you. The Grizz were still fouling, and on the previous play, they hit Kobe rather hard. On that last dunk, he was still being chased...so he said F this.

The better question is why were the Grizz still trying to foul Kobe hard?




And the Lakers do? :lol

Excuse me if I don't think Mihm is an adequate replacement. Nor will the Lamar name drop work because he was owned by powe of all the people. The so labeled "Flopper" out muscled everyone on that frontline, starter or reserve.

Bynum starts, but he isn't that impressive right now. I see most of his offense comes from direct passes when he's two feet from the rim. He is foul prone against decent frontlines which i've noticed lately.

I think Odom is the big difference. Last year, Odom was the full time Power Forward (no Bynum). Odom was constantly going up against Perkins and KG. Now he only has to deal with Powe primarily and I think Lamar's a much better player than Powe.

I also think Lamar is better than Perkins but Perk is too big for him to play against.

Lamar > Perkins
Lamar > Powe
Josh Powell > Big Baby
Chris Mihm > Scalabrine
mBenga > Patrick O'Bryant

[monosylab1k]

Lamar > Powe

I agree. LA's third best player is slightly better than Boston's seventh best player.


Josh Powell > Big Baby
Chris Mihm > Scalabrine
mBenga > Patrick O'Bryant

:lmao, if any of these matchups happen in the Finals, it's only going to be because Boston has a 25 point lead with 2 minutes left in the game. But hey, you won the benchwarmers matchup!

[Spur-Addict]

I just got that comment by dirk4mvp and you. The Grizz were still fouling, and on the previous play, they hit Kobe rather hard. On that last dunk, he was still being chased...so he said F this.

The better question is why were the Grizz still trying to foul Kobe hard?




I think Odom is the big difference. Last year, Odom was the full time Power Forward (no Bynum). Odom was constantly going up against Perkins and KG. Now he only has to deal with Powe primarily and I think Lamar's a much better player than Powe.

Lamar > Powe
Josh Powell > Big Baby
Chris Mihm > Scalabrine
mBenga > Patrick O'Bryant

Are you seriously going to play the "foul" card? He's a vet, considered the best by most, man up pussy. Mayo was killing and they couldn't stop him. Gay was eating too, and Warrick was really frustrating Lamar. Not to mention Darko was all in Bynum and Pau so memphis was giving them a hell of a time so don't act like L.A didn't luck up. If Gay and Mayo hadn't sat for mass minutes they wouldn't have had that scoring drought when they got back in.

Do you honestly think Scal and Patty O are going to see the court much? Come on bro, get real. While Lamar is a better player than Powe, can he own Powe? I think not. Powe will still eat on the boards with Lamar in, nothing will change there because Lamar isn't a physical player in that regard. Powe doesn't do a bad job guarding him either. It's a bad matchup for Lamar in the physicality department.

And don't sit here and act like Boston won't add a vet big toward the end of the year, come on man stop trying to deny/jinx the situation, you know what's going on.

[Allanon]

I agree. LA's third best player is slightly better than Boston's seventh best player.

:lmao, if any of these matchups happen in the Finals, it's only going to be because Boston has a 25 point lead with 2 minutes left in the game. But hey, you won the benchwarmers matchup!

I think it's going to be alot like the Magic game. Bynum and Pau got Dwight Howard into early foul trouble and he had to sit alot through the game.

The problem was DHo also got Bynum into foul trouble with his offense. Perkins isn't the offensive force that DHo is so I'm guessing either KG or Perk will be sitting on the bench quite a bit against Bynum/Pau.

We'll see alot of Powe vs Bynum/Pau or one of those other guys since Powe is only 6'8. After Perkins/KG the Celtics have no size, I think they're like 6'9 and below.

That's why they're trying to get Mutumbo, I hope somebody else snatches him up because that's the Lakers edge right there.

[monosylab1k]

I think it's going to be alot like the Magic game. Bynum and Pau got Dwight Howard into early foul trouble and he had to sit alot through the game.

The problem was DHo also got Bynum into foul trouble with his offense. Perkins isn't the offensive force that DHo is so I'm guessing either KG or Perk will be sitting on the bench quite a bit against Bynum/Pau.

We'll see alot of Powe vs Bynum/Pau or one of those other guys since Powe is only 6'8. After Perkins/KG the Celtics have no size, I think they're like 6'9 and below.

That's why they're trying to get Mutumbo, I hope somebody else snatches him up because that's the Lakers edge right there.

And who is going to stop Pierce? Kobe? :lmao
Who is going to stop Ray Allen? Vujacic? :lmao

[Spur-Addict]

And who is going to stop Pierce? Kobe? :lmao
Who is going to stop Ray Allen? Vujacic? :lmao

Add on the much improved play of Rondo. It looks like Perk is being under estimated as well. I look and Laker fans are still over estimating Bynum at this point in time. He is foul prone against decent Bigs while getting the majority of his buckets on direct looks for "oops", or lay ups. That soft as footwork gets exposed because dude is predictable, he isn't polished enough to where his predictability doesn't matter.

[Allanon]

And who is going to stop Pierce? Kobe? :lmao
Who is going to stop Ray Allen? Vujacic? :lmao

Trevor "Stealth" Ariza will stop Paul Pierce
Kobe "Bean" Bryant will stop Ray Allen

Raaaajon Rondo doesn't scare me. The Lakers will make him into a jumpshooter. Bombs away Raaaajon.

And are you guys saying the Lakers will lose to the Celtics on Christmas? :)

[JoeTait75]

And who is going to stop Pierce? Kobe? :lmao
Who is going to stop Ray Allen? Vujacic? :lmao

LeBron will stop Pierce.

Sasha Pavlovic will stop Shuttlesworth. :toast

[Spur-Addict]

Trevor "Stealth" Ariza will stop Paul Pierce
Kobe "Bean" Bryant will stop Ray Allen

Raaaajon Rondo doesn't scare me. The Lakers will make him into a jumpshooter. Bombs away Raaaajon.

And are you guys saying the Lakers will lose to the Celtics on Christmas? :)

Are you watching the same basketball that I am? That will be an awesome coaching move having your best player run around chasing Ray Allen for forty plus. Additionally, running through screens will open you up to fouls, plus you have to deal with head fakes while recovering. Not. Smart.

And Trevor? Please.

[Spur-Addict]

Nor will Walton have any luck on pierce in a series; seeing as how he's getting alot of minutes now. If he can't guard Gay, he can't guard Pierce.

[monosylab1k]

LeBron will stop Pierce.

Sasha Pavlovic will stop Shuttlesworth. :toast

That's a far more plausible theory than the one Allanon posted :toast

[Allanon]

Nor will Walton have any luck on pierce in a series; seeing as how he's getting alot of minutes now. If he can't guard Gay, he can't guard Pierce.

Luke will probably get killed by Paul Pierce. But I think Ariza can do a great job on Pierce. Ariza is in my opinion, one of the best defenders in the NBA and he's a bit longer and quicker than Pierce too. You'll rarely see the guy Ariza is guarding have a great night.

Kobe has traditionally guarded Ray Allen and Ray's not as springy as he used to be.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Fisher on Ray and Kobe on Rondo.

[Spur-Addict]

Luke will probably get killed by Paul Pierce. But I think Ariza can do a great job on Pierce. Ariza is in my opinion, one of the best defenders in the NBA and he's a bit longer and quicker than Pierce too. You'll rarely see the guy Ariza is guarding have a great night.

Kobe has traditionally guarded Ray Allen and Ray's not as springy as he used to be.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see some Fisher on Ray and Kobe on Rondo.

I don't know what you think great means, but he will have spot minutes on him anyways. It won't take Paul long to figure him out if there is a period of such. He isn't a lock down guy. Although, he does play good defense.

[Allanon]

I don't know what you think great means, but he will have spot minutes on him anyways. It won't take Paul long to figure him out if there is a period of such. He isn't a lock down guy. Although, he does play good defense.

I think Ariza can keep Paul Pierce to 15 points a night with no Great games like he had last year. Paul Pierce killed the Lakers last year and they had nobody to guard him. Pierce was unstoppable in the Finals. Odom vs Pierce would have been ideal last year but the Lakers had no quality Power Forward so Odom couldn't spend time at SF.

This year with Bynum, Powell and Mihm, the Lakers can afford to use Odom on Pierce to give him a different look as well.

The Lakers can throw Ariza/Odom/Luke/Radmanovic at him. Much better in my opinion.

[monosylab1k]

Kobe has traditionally guarded Ray Allen and Ray's not as springy as he used to be.

except during critical moments in the Finals

ewt_9R-3qes

[Spur-Addict]

I think Ariza can keep Paul Pierce to 15 points a night with no Great games like he had last year. Paul Pierce killed the Lakers last year and they had nobody to guard him. Pierce was unstoppable in the Finals. Odom vs Pierce would have been ideal last year but the Lakers had no quality Power Forward so Odom couldn't spend time at SF.

This year with Bynum, Powell and Mihm, the Lakers can afford to use Odom on Pierce to give him a different look as well.

The Lakers can throw Ariza/Odom/Luke/Radmanovic at him. Much better in my opinion.

Luke and Rad should never guard him; the only way they will be successful is if he settles for a bad jumpshot.

15 points a game? You are vastly over estimating the capability of some players. Paul Pierce is one of the best players at getting to the line and Lamar definetly will not stop that. Trevor may provide a hiccup but he will not lock him down CONSISTENTLY like you would like to believe.

[Spur-Addict]

They will not be able to continually funnel Pierce to the baseline. When it does happen, the Celtics can stretch the floor. Plus they have players that can finish inside.

[Allanon]

except during critical moments in the Finals

ewt_9R-3qes

This is why Laker fans were crying to have Ariza back healthy. Without Ariza/Bynum... Kobe had to "guard" Pierce.

[monosylab1k]

This is why Laker fans were crying to have Ariza back healthy. Without Ariza/Bynum... Kobe had to "guard" Pierce.

And what makes you think they're both locks to be healthy for the Finals when neither has proven capable of staying healthy for an entire season yet?

[Allanon]

Luke and Rad should never guard him; the only way they will be successful is if he settles for a bad jumpshot.

15 points a game? You are vastly over estimating the capability of some players. Paul Pierce is one of the best players at getting to the line and Lamar definetly will not stop that. Trevor may provide a hiccup but he will not lock him down CONSISTENTLY like you would like to believe.

We shall see in 2 days, no need to "debate" it right now.

So dear Laker doubters, the Question is, will the Lakers lose to the Celtics in 2 days?

[Allanon]

And what makes you think they're both locks to be healthy for the Finals when neither has proven capable of staying healthy for an entire season yet?

Well that is certainly a good question. I try not to think about injuries until they happen.

[dirk4mvp]

We shall see in 2 days, no need to "debate" it right now.

So dear Laker doubters, the Question is, will the Lakers lose to the Celtics in 2 days?

They've lost to both teams in FLA, and barely got out of Memphis with a win. The Celtics are much better than the Lakers, the game won't be that close.

[monosylab1k]

We shall see in 2 days, no need to "debate" it right now.

So dear Laker doubters, the Question is, will the Lakers lose to the Celtics in 2 days?

Boston 109
Lakers 95

[Spur-Addict]

We shall see in 2 days, no need to "debate" it right now.

So dear Laker doubters, the Question is, will the Lakers lose to the Celtics in 2 days?

1 game does not a series make.

[Allanon]

1 game does not a series make.

Your cohorts have already thrown down the guantlet. Don't be "soft like Bynum" and give me a damn prediction for the Christmas day game already :D

[Spur-Addict]

Your cohorts have already thrown down the guantlet. Don't be "soft like Bynum" and give me a damn prediction for the Christmas day game already :D

Cohorts? :lol I'm not sure i'll go that far.

But a prediction, that I can do.

Boston by three points. Watch out for Jesus.

[Allanon]

You guys have nutted up, I can respect that.

And I won't hold you guys to the spread, win or lose, we'll find out.

Maybe then I can get some stroking around here :D

[galvatron3000]

The Lakers have no identity right now.

Phil Jackson for whatever reason insists on starting Luke Walton. His reason for not starting Odom was because his jumpshot was poor yet he starts the player on the team with the worst jumpshot. Radmanovich has clearly outplayed him all season long and is now relegated to bench minutes. It's mind boggling what Phil and the coaching staff are doing.

If you watch the Lakers attempt to play defense they simply double team every guy that has the ball. They doubled Hakeem freaking Warrick two or three times which led to easy 3pt shots. Nobody on the team knows how to play solid team defense. Phil Jackson can't coach D, Kurt Rambis is possibly more clueless after his strong side zone got figured out, and neither Hamblen nor Cleamons have a clue.

If the Lakers want to win a ring they need to hire a defensive coordinator outside of Phil J. circle of friends. If Jeff Van Gundy could be persuaded he'd be perfect.



Why is Luke Walton even in the League, surely there are D-Leaguers better than that guy and honestly what team not running the triangle offense could he even make as an inactive reserve?

[Spur-Addict]

You guys have nutted up, I can respect that.

And I won't hold you guys to the spread, win or lose, we'll find out.

Maybe then I can get some stroking around here :D

I don't stroke people. I still won't care even if L.A wins b/c 1 game does not a series make. But it will be entertaining and there is no coincidence that it is at L.A. You would do well in believing that.

[Allanon]

I'd actually prefer to have some strokes from Mono and Dirk4MVP because I know they hate to see the Lakers doing well.

But I'll take a few licks if that makes you feel better.

[dirk4mvp]

I'd actually prefer to have some strokes from Mono and Dirk4MVP because I know they hate to see the Lakers doing well.

But I'll take a few licks if that makes you feel better.


You wanting strokes from other dudes is pretty fucking gay.

And I couldn't care less about how the Lakers do, but it'd be easier to read this forum if you'd stop pretending like Bynum in the best big in the league and the way the Lakers can beat the Celtics in a series is the main event matchup of Mihm vs Scalabrine.

[Allanon]

You wanting strokes from other dudes is pretty fucking gay.

I thought you were a chick, you whine about sand in your vagina all the time.



And I couldn't care less about how the Lakers do, but it'd be easier to read this forum if you'd stop pretending like Bynum in the best big in the league and the way the Lakers can beat the Celtics in a series is the main event matchup of Mihm vs Scalabrine.

Talking shit is the best part of sports.

[dirk4mvp]

I was looking through some of the scheduling and I think the Lakers have BY FAR, the worst back to back schedule of ANY team. :cry



I think the scheduler hates the Lakers...I think the scheduler is a Spur or Celtic fan. :cry



If you think your team has a tougher back to back schedule than this, let me know. :cry



The Lakers schedule has not been easy. One of the harder ones so far. Not as hard as the Blazers but still difficult. :cry



The other ones are pretty difficult, no gimmes. And the Lakers get Hou+SA TWICE-B2B-On the Road... that's craziness, I've never seen that before.

I also found the 4 games in 5 nights on the road against good teams right before the Boston Celtics game on Christmas a bit fishy. :cry



Show me any other western conference team that has B2B's like that bitch. :cry



Find me a team with a harder B2B schedule. Until then, I am right, my friend. :cry



The Pacers have a couple of hard B2B sets but overall not as difficult as the Lakers. :cry



I still haven't seen any team with a harder B2B schedule. :cry

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111640

[dirk4mvp]

Talking shit is the best part of sports.

talking shit and being a complete dumbass like you've been are two different things.

[Allanon]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111640

Hahah, touché. :lol

[Allanon]

talking shit and being a complete dumbass like you've been are two different things.

If you had Kobe on your team, you'd be talking shit too.

[Spur-Addict]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111640

WooOOoOOoooOOOoooOOooooOOoooOOOOOoOOooW.

:lol

That's an extensive list of crying.