Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette seek trades out of GSW

[jmard5]

I don't know if this has been posted yet. If it is, just merge this with the other thread. Thanks.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NBA&hl=106391

Stephen Jackson told his teammates that he would happily accept being traded from the Warriors, according to ESPN.com's Ric Bucher.

Jax wasn't pleased with coach Don Nelson after being told that he was playing poorly -- he was playing with a sore hand at the time, but decided to shut it down after that conversation.

Corey Maggette's agent is also said to be exploring trade options. The likelihood of a trade is unknown, but the wheels are clearly falling off in Golden State. Dec. 24 - 9:03 am et

[itzsoweezee]

nelson is trying to sabotage that team so that he can get fired and collect his contract money without having to work.

[T Park]

Stephen Jackson?

Won't happen but......

[The Franchise]

I want both for Tracy McGrady. He is a liability at this point.

[jag]

haha Oh, how the tables have turned.

[SpursDynasty]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.

[jmard5]

And according to ESPN...

Point guard Marcus Williams is seeking a buyout.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=warriorsbucher-081223

GSW is imploding.

[T Park]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.

Kill yourself.

[ducks]

mason>jackson

[timtonymanu]

i would want S-Jax back, but it wont work out.

Screw Maggette!

[xtremesteven33]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.



:flipoff

[xtremesteven33]

mason>jackson

:nope

[ducks]

why

[ducks]

sj I can not play for anyone but pop
then he goes to the hawks

mason is better then jackson

[xtremesteven33]

Mason doesnt posses the all talent abilities that Jackson has.

If i had the choice of picking Mason or Jackson for this spurs team. Id chose Jackson in a Heartbeat.

[ducks]

jackson will want to start
mason is ok doing what is best for the team

[SpursDynasty]

How about Tim Duncan for Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Andres Biedrins, and Corey Maggette. Those 4 with Manu and Parker would win a championship.

[honestfool84]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.

you've absolutely got to be kidding man.










im positive you're being sarcastic, actually.

and i don't know how'd we balance ginobili, mason, hill, parker, finley, bowen, udoka, AND jax's playing time.

[ducks]

Mason doesnt posses the all talent abilities that Jackson has.

If i had the choice of picking Mason or Jackson for this spurs team. Id chose Jackson in a Heartbeat.

if mason was the go to guy in gs he would have scored as many points as sj

[honestfool84]

How about Tim Duncan for Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Andres Biedrins, and Corey Maggette. Those 4 with Manu and Parker would win a championship.

shut it.

[xtremesteven33]

if mason was the go to guy in gs he would have scored as many points as sj



SJAX is bigger,stronger,more clutch,better defender,better passer and has a better post up game.

The only thing Mason does better than JACK is that hes a better shooter.

[honestfool84]

SJAX is bigger,stronger,more clutch,better defender,better passer and has a better post up game.

The only thing Mason does better than JACK is that hes a better shooter.

im going to have to go with ducks, even though you do make a good point, steven.

but we need a shooter around duncan, someone who CAN make them OFTEN.

[jag]

Kill yourself.

:lmao

[ducks]

SJAX is bigger,stronger,more clutch,better defender,better passer and has a better post up game.

The only thing Mason does better than JACK is that hes a better shooter.

better shooter is alot
better iq
better teamate

mason is clutch
better dribble

[timtonymanu]

jackson will want to start
mason is ok doing what is best for the team

Jackson would start. no question. I like Mason and S-Jax but S-Jax is better.

[xtremesteven33]

Mason no doubt does fit this team good, im not denying that, but i do think that SJAX would make this team a WHOLE lot better.

[tp2021]

Even if the Spurs had something the Warriors want, I don't think Pop would trade anyone on this team to the sinking ship that is the GSW.

[romad_20]

Even if the Spurs had something the Warriors want, I don't think Pop would trade anyone on this team to the sinking ship that is the GSW.

Damn. If only Brent were still around.

[Texas_Ranger]

Vaughn for S-Jax.:rollin

[jag]

Vaughn for S-Jax.:rollin

:lol I never play along with these fantasy trade ideas...but - Vaughn and Bonner for Jax...



And at this point i'd throw in Mahinmi as well.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol I never play along with these fantasy trade ideas...but - Vaughn and Bonner for Jax...



And at this point i'd throw in Mahinmi as well.

Vaughn, Finley, Udoka and Mahinmi for SJax and filler. :downspin:

[ducks]

I would then turn and trade either mason,manu, sj, finley


spurs have no room for sj right now

[jag]

Vaughn, Finley, Udoka and Mahinmi for SJax and filler. :downspin:

I can't do it to Udoka...i still believe in him. I'm the driver of his bandwagon, i've got to have faith.

[Kori Ellis]

I can't do it to Udoka...i still believe in him. I'm the driver of his bandwagon, i've got to have faith.

Yeah but the Spurs don't need him. He's an extra swingman right now. So if they traded for SJax - they should trade two of our wings for him.

[Rogue]

How about Tim Duncan for Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Andres Biedrins, and Corey Maggette. Those 4 with Manu and Parker would win a championship.
I can't see any possobility that happens. Tim Duncan's salary is 20m/yr which is just the same amount as Monta and Maggette combined, how the hell can we get Jackson and Biedrins along the way? This trade offer would be feasible if it was last year when Biedrins and Monta were both dirt cheap.

I also want such a trade because Tim is not as good as he used to be, at least those four warriors are gonna a lot more than Tim can do. Don also want this trade to come true in order to get fired by the warriors, but David Stern isn't gonna permit such a satantic trade.
:ihit Tim will go nowhere else.

[jag]

Yeah but the Spurs don't need him. He's an extra swingman right now. So if they traded for SJax - they should trade two of our wings for him.

I don't wanna hear logic right now...i'm an Ime homer.

[Biggems]

Vaughn, Finley, Udoka and Mahinmi for SJax and filler. :downspin:

Imagine if GSW were super dumb enough to do this......SJax and Randolph or Wright would be awesome compensation for Vaughn, Finley, Udoka, Mahinmi, and a 2009 2nd.

Bring up Hairston and resign Ahearn

C - Bonner, Oberto, Thomas
PF - Duncan, Randolph/Wright, Tolliver
SF - SJax, Bowen
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Ahearn

[Kori Ellis]

Imagine if GSW were super dumb enough to do this......SJax and Randolph or Wright would be awesome compensation for Vaughn, Finley, Udoka, Mahinmi, and a 2009 2nd.

Yeah GSW isn't that dumb. But I figured if we were making up trades to get Jack back, it should at least be logical from the Spurs side. :)

[SenorSpur]

nelson is trying to sabotage that team so that he can get fired and collect his contract money without having to work.

This is why Nelson is a damn fool

[Ice009]

Vaughn, Finley, Udoka and Mahinmi for SJax and filler. :downspin:

lol done. I'll call up Nelson now. Maybe he can do Pop a favor?

Seriously this is awesome if true. I'd love it if the Spurs could get S-Jax back.

Ducks, he can start at SF with Mason at SG. No problem with the starting 5 there.

[Biggems]

BTW Kori....that trade wouldnt work moneywise.

Jax makes over 7 million. The 4 Spurs players together make 5.5 million.

[Kori Ellis]

BTW Kori....that trade wouldnt work moneywise.

Jax makes over 7 million. The 4 Spurs players together make 5.5 million.

I thought closer to $6M (for the Spurs players), but either way.... we could make it work if we had to :lol give them some cash and Splitter's rights. :downspin:

[urunobili]

Jax for Bonner + Udoka + Oberto + JV

[benefactor]

This is all fun speculation and everything but our roster is pretty much set. I would love to have Capt. Jack as much as the next man, but it would mean giving up Finley, Mason or one of the big three as bait and that is not going to happen. Finley has Pop's heart and chemistry is starting to build with Mason and the rest of the offense.

And for the record...I'd take Capt. Jack over Mason without hesitation. The reasons shouldn't have to be explained.

[T Park]

Vaughn, Finley, Udoka and Mahinmi for SJax and filler. :downspin:

Write it up :lol

[mrspurs]

Maybe some of them NBA players who have played and succeeded on other teams, are now getting a taste of what Ive always thought Nellie is. Not an NBA type coach. How he has remained in this league through so many years is funny stuff. Like Ive said jokingly, Nellie has something on someone like Stern or close. Gotta play defense to win the whole thing in just about every league in any sport I know. Maybe old age is catching up to him as well. Lets see if he makes thru this year. And I mean this year not this season.

[Biggems]

Finley has to ok any and all trades, and you know he won't accept a trade to a noncontender this late in his career.

I would prefer Wright, but we have a greater chance to get Randolph than we do Wright.........even if we have no chance of getting Randolph either.

So here is the trade that could work moneywise
Thomas, Udoka, Vaughn, Mahinmi, Splitter's rights for SJax and Randolph.

After the trade, re-sign Ahearn and try to sign Courtney Sims and Mutombo.

C - Bonner, Mutombo, Sims
PF - Duncan, Randolph, Oberto
SF - Jackson, Bowen, Tolliver
SG - Mason, Manu, Finley
PG - Parker, Hill, Ahearn

[Ice009]

If Finley was included in a trade couldn't we do a Brent Barry, Antonio McDyess type of trade and Finley gets bought out?

[spurspokesman]

If Finley was included in a trade couldn't we do a Brent Barry, Antonio McDyess type of trade and Finley gets bought out?

No more guards. We need post help. We have enough guards to start a security firm. Just get duncan some help. Randolph is a beast but he's allergic to defense and could be lazy at times he's oil and the spurs is water.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Captain Jack was my favorite all time option for defending Novitzki.

Damn, I miss that guy...:depressed

[Chieflion]

No more guards. We need post help. We have enough guards to start a security firm. Just get duncan some help. Randolph is a beast but he's allergic to defense and could be lazy at times he's oil and the spurs is water.

Playing defense in the Warriors system automatically grants you a permanent seat on the bench.

[T Park]

No more guards. We need post help. We have enough guards to start a security firm. Just get duncan some help. Randolph is a beast but he's allergic to defense and could be lazy at times he's oil and the spurs is water.

Where is the team with the mythical group of big men that are available to trade.

[Biernutz]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/Gifffs1234/worflaugh.gif

[Spurs Brazil]

I'd love to see Jax back

Too bad we have nothing to offer

[lefty]

Jax ? yes yes yes

Magettette ? no no no no

[DynastyBuilder]

How about this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=378~2805~866~874&teams=24~9~9~9&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=378%7E2805%7E866%7E874&teams=24%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s305/usaidwhat/bringsjaxback.png?t=1230176428
obviously this wouldn't happen for a number of reasons, but it works :)

[angelbelow]

maggette is pathetic. hes not even playing right now, what does he have to complain about.

[td4mvp21]

I still want SJax back.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol jackson doesnt fit into our 2010 plans, since he just sign an extention

[ducks]

I still want SJax back.

I would rather david robinson play 20 minutes a game then sj

[td4mvp21]

I would rather david robinson play 20 minutes a game then sj

Yeah well I don't think we have that option at this point.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if he comes back...then hill has to give up his no.3 jersey....

unless Sj LIKES NO.1

[Ice009]

I would rather david robinson play 20 minutes a game then sj

Why do you not like Sjax?

[ducks]

sj was ok
manu is better
mason is just as good as sj and a better teamate

[Biggems]

sj was ok
manu is better
mason is just as good as sj and a better teamate

how is SJ a bad teammate...he has gotten into tons of trouble going out of his way for his teammates.

[Biggems]

if he comes back...then hill has to give up his no.3 jersey....

unless Sj LIKES NO.1

can't he be 03

[DMX7]

Kill yourself.

lol.

[Man In Black]

Without Mike Brown to handle him, would SJax still fit? Mike's mentorship kept SJax in check.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Manu for SJax and Maggette and yes i am serious. Throw in a filler to make it work.

[K-State Spur]

Would I take Sjax back if we didn't have to give up too much? Absolutely.

Does he win the award for most overrated former Spur on this board? Hands down.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Would I take Sjax back if we didn't have to give up too much? Absolutely.

Does he win the award for most overrated former Spur on this board? Hands down.

overrated to what extent?

he has totally change since getting out of the pacers, and taken on a leadership role at the warriors, and has been rewarded with an extention. CANT blame him for the slump the warriors are in atm, injuries and no frontcourt...small ball will always get exposed. But his still putting up good numbers imo.

[samikeyp]

Stephen Jackson?

Won't happen but......

true but it would be nice.

[Bruno]

Just look at their contracts :
Maggette : $50M/5 years
Jackson : $43M/5 years

Both players have some qualities but both have also some serious flaws. I highly doubt Spurs are interested in getting one of them given their contracts.

These big contracts also significantly lowered their trade value. If a team is ready to roll the dice and make the financial gamble, this team will eb able to get one of them without giving a lot of assets.

[K-State Spur]

overrated to what extent?

he has totally change since getting out of the pacers, and taken on a leadership role at the warriors, and has been rewarded with an extention. CANT blame him for the slump the warriors are in atm, injuries and no frontcourt...small ball will always get exposed. But his still putting up good numbers imo.

overrated in the sense that many posters remember him as being more than just a good role player.

the only good numbers he's putting up this year are points. his shooting has been terrible (38% from the floor, 28% from 3). he's rebounding worse than finley. he's also terribly overpaid for what he actually gives you.

posters here remember the big threes he hit in the two game 6s, but they forget that he was very streaky (and not a great shooter overall), had questionable shot selection, was a turnover machine, and had attitude issues here that - while not being insurmountable - have not been present in any Spur since.

now, if you could get him without giving up anything more than spare parts - he would be an upgrade over finley (although finley has actually played better this year so far). but there would be questions about how well he could fit into a role on this team. would he be able to adjust to being the 4th or 5th option on the floor at any given time? would he be okay with his shot attempts being cut in half?

those who think mason is a better fit for this offense - they are right.

[Ice009]

Well don't the Spurs need a SF?

Stephen Jackson could come in and start at SF for us. Pop will make sure he doesn't take stupid shots and his teammates will too. Also, not to forget his defense is probably more valuable to us than his offense. He could really help with guarding guys like Dirk.

Stephen was probably overrated by me and lots of other fans for the 2003 season, but he still hit those shots for us and played hard. He did turnover the ball and had questionable shot selection, but I think he is definitely a lot better player now than when he first signed that MLE type contract in the Hawks/Pacers sign and trade. He contract would definitely be a lot more attractive now though if he didn't sign that extension earlier this season.

It really depends on what the Spurs think a starting SF is worth to them? or do you guys think Sjax can't play SF and is more of a SG?

[Ice009]

overrated in the sense that many posters remember him as being more than just a good role player.

the only good numbers he's putting up this year are points. his shooting has been terrible (38% from the floor, 28% from 3). he's rebounding worse than finley. he's also terribly overpaid for what he actually gives you.

posters here remember the big threes he hit in the two game 6s, but they forget that he was very streaky (and not a great shooter overall), had questionable shot selection, was a turnover machine, and had attitude issues here that - while not being insurmountable - have not been present in any Spur since.

now, if you could get him without giving up anything more than spare parts - he would be an upgrade over finley (although finley has actually played better this year so far). but there would be questions about how well he could fit into a role on this team. would he be able to adjust to being the 4th or 5th option on the floor at any given time? would he be okay with his shot attempts being cut in half?

those who think mason is a better fit for this offense - they are right.

How about you actually start looking at the defensive side of the ball. Stephen Jackson is probably a better defender than most of the players we have on the team in the SG/SF position. The Spurs are a defensive team, not an offensive team. IMO that is the area you should be looking at first, then how he fits on offense.

[Danny.Zhu]

Bonner+Vaugh+Udoka+Finley for SJ? Does it work?

[TDMVPDPOY]

stephen jackson on the spurs will bring alot to the table.......









a fkn gun hahahahahaha

[K-State Spur]

How about you actually start looking at the defensive side of the ball. Stephen Jackson is probably a better defender than most of the players we have on the team in the SG/SF position. The Spurs are a defensive team, not an offensive team. IMO that is the area you should be looking at first.

outside of a 6 game series with Dallas 2 years ago - Sjax hasn't played a lot of defense since going to GSW.

he's better than finley. but despite his length, i'm not sure he's much of a defensive upgrade over manu or mason at this point. now, maybe if he came here he would revert back to form, but I don't think that's something that you could bank on happening.

[Ice009]

Bonner+Vaugh+Udoka+Finley for SJ? Does it work?

Bonner is actually playing pretty good. The only way I think the Spurs would trade Bonner is if we get a big in return.

[K-State Spur]

Bonner+Vaugh+Udoka+Finley for SJ? Does it work?

the problem with adding bonner to the deal is that the spurs really need him to be on the roster and playing well in order to have a chance at the title. it may be asking for too much, but it's what they're face with.

there, you slightly upgrade the 3 spot, but downgrade the already weak 5 spot at the same time.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem with adding bonner to the deal is that the spurs really need him to be on the roster and playing well in order to have a chance at the title. it may be asking for too much, but it's what they're face with.

there, you slightly upgrade the 3 spot, but downgrade the already weak 5 spot at the same time.

why dont we just keep bonner, and throw in mahinmi to trade.....

[Ice009]

why dont we just keep bonner, and throw in mahinmi to trade.....

To make the salary match. I assume the person that posted that matched the salaries.

[BobEX]

These big contracts also significantly lowered their trade value. If a team is ready to roll the dice and make the financial gamble, this team will eb able to get one of them without giving a lot of assets.

Exactly why this would be a great opportunity for the Spurs. GS is not going to get anybody significant in return for Jackson. Spurs can offer expiring/1-year contracts and a future draft pick, which is about the same as what other teams will offer. GS gets out of Jackson's contract, grabs some future prospects, and rebuilds.

I do think the Spurs need to make some kind of move to contend this year. I like the team's new players (Bonner/Mason/Hill), but I'm not sold on Finley holding up to 30 min/night over the whole season and playoffs.

[baseline bum]

It would be nice to have our SF back. I'd be open to anything outside of Duncan, Parker, Ginobili to get him (which really isn't saying much :lol ).

[Buddy Holly]

Ime, Finley and Bonner for Jax works contract wise. Ime and Finley are on their last year and Bonner whose stock is at its highest ever only has one more season after this.

That could be pretty attractive to a team like GS looking to break away from Jax contract.

[Bruno]

Exactly why this would be a great opportunity for the Spurs.

It's far from sure that Spurs consider that getting back S-Jax is a "great opportunity".

In 03, they let him go by refusing to give him a big contract.
Five years later, he is basically the same player except that his contract is significantly bigger that what Spurs were ready to give him in 03. Spurs also want to have some cap space in 2010.

S-Jax brings a lot of good memories to Spurs' fans but Spurs' staff hasn't that emotional approach. I don't see Spurs investing $43M and canceling their 2010 plan for a player that has some qualities but who is also an inconsistent, inefficient scorer with a questionable attitude.

BTW, welcome on the board. :toast

[Sean Cagney]

better shooter is alot
better iq
better teamate

mason is clutch
better dribble

LOL anyone has a better dribble than Jax, even here he had the worst handles I had seen ever!!!!!!!!! He is a clutch shooter and a very good player, but his handles are and have always been horrible.

[bostonguy]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2367~3227~1021~378&teams=9~9~9~2&te=&cash=

:drunk

[venitian navigator]

bonner / finley / vough and a 2^ ch. for either jackson or maggette

the numbers work...in both cases!

then sign mutombo

[TDMVPDPOY]

but but but stephen jackson is the ultimate team mate......at leasts his not injury prone like a certain someone on this team.....GINOBOLIIII

[Austin_Toros]

adding jackson would seriously make us a better team- no doubt.
maggette is a dog who wanted to chase money instead of wins and now he's paying the price- good riddens to him

jackson can shoot and i see him as a good fit with us
dont know how we would deal our players for him though

[ceds]

outside of a 6 game series with Dallas 2 years ago - Sjax hasn't played a lot of defense since going to GSW.


Cant agree with that...

From SG's to even some PF's Jax sticks everybody.

Clearly the No.1 defender and draws the top assignment on that GS team

[boutons_]

SJax is a low-IQ chucker who does nothing else but chuck at a low percentage.

[Biggems]

Ime, Finley and Bonner for Jax works contract wise. Ime and Finley are on their last year and Bonner whose stock is at its highest ever only has one more season after this.

That could be pretty attractive to a team like GS looking to break away from Jax contract.

Finley has a trade restriction. He can only be traded if he chooses. Do you think he will let the Spurs trade him to GS who is going nowhere, this late in his career? Heck no. I can only see him going to the Lakers, Cavs, or Celtics if he were to permit a trade, and we aren't trading to any of those teams.

[Biggems]

SJax is a low-IQ chucker who does nothing else but chuck at a low percentage.

He rebounds, passes, and plays some defense. He brings toughness, killer instinct, will go the extra mile to defend his teammates, and has a huge hunger to win.

But thank you for your in depth analysis of his game. it was quite useless in deed.

[boutons_]

Look at SJax's career stats to for very low RB, AST, Blocks, in spite of his height and athleticism. His TOs are high. He's a stupid, inefficient chucker/rebound generator/brawler/night-clubber not offset by his few big 3s he hit for the Spurs.

[lotr1trekkie]

Doesn't Jax make like 10 mill more than Mason. I guess we can expect Manu to take a cut or maybe Tony? What abour plan 2010? Let's buy out Splitter's contract first?

[xtremesteven33]

It would be sweet to have jackson though its not gonna happen:

Parker/Hill
Ginobili/Mason
Jackson/Bowen
Duncan/Bonner
Oberto/Thomas

thats a sweet lineup

[TDMVPDPOY]

you can blame the slump on nellieball,

and jax playin with a wrist injury......

small ball is shit, that team basically has no frontcourt help at all...beidrins/turiaf/randolf << inexperience frontcourt cmon.

they are in tank mode basically.

jax + turiaf <<< i like this.

[completely deck]

Well, unfortunately I don't see the Spurs trading for him, but Jackson might be a solution to when we get into those really bad scoring droughts.

[baseline bum]

It's far from sure that Spurs consider that getting back S-Jax is a "great opportunity".

In 03, they let him go by refusing to give him a big contract.
Five years later, he is basically the same player except that his contract is significantly bigger that what Spurs were ready to give him in 03. Spurs also want to have some cap space in 2010.

S-Jax brings a lot of good memories to Spurs' fans but Spurs' staff hasn't that emotional approach. I don't see Spurs investing $43M and canceling their 2010 plan for a player that has some qualities but who is also an inconsistent, inefficient scorer with a questionable attitude.

BTW, welcome on the board. :toast

Capspace is bullshit, and there's no way the Spurs will do shit with it when they'll be competing against New York, Brooklyn, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and Portland, not to mention the unattractive cities with huge capspace like Sacramento, Oklahoma City, Detroit, Minneapolis, etc. Even in a perfect situation in 03 with a young championship core and room to sign anyone all they could land is that scrub Nesterovic. Now they're going to land someone better than Jackson competing against the big markets? I don't see it. The 2010 plan is the stupidest shit this organization could ever do, and I hope RC gets strung up off the Tower of Americas from his balls if he goes down with the ship all the way to 2010 with this asinine idea.

[baseline bum]

Look at SJax's career stats to for very low RB, AST, Blocks, in spite of his height and athleticism. His TOs are high. He's a stupid, inefficient chucker/rebound generator/brawler/night-clubber not offset by his few big 3s he hit for the Spurs.

The Spurs easily get upset by Phoenix in '03 without Jackson.

[K-State Spur]

He rebounds

Not really. This year, Finley is rebounding as well as SJax has.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The Spurs easily get upset by Phoenix in '03 without Jackson.

spurs wouldve beated the lakers in 03/04 with jax instead of hedo or whoever we signed that year....:bang

shouldve given malik rose contract to steph instead :ihit

[z0sa]

spurs wouldve beated the lakers in 03/04 with jax instead of hedo or whoever we signed that year....:bang

shouldve given malik rose contract to steph instead :ihit

we did beat LA in 03 and i agree with 04

[mountainballer]

people are naive if they think Sjax would be a huge upgrade.
he's in fact one of the more overrated players on this board. (and overall)people look at his numbers and say great, but ignore the fact that this numbers are a result of a lot of minutes (he would never play with the Spurs) and tons of shots he gets from Nelson.
if he was a Spur, he would be our 4th option (something he will have problems to acept), play 30 MPG and get 10 shots.
and he will look very very average in this role.
and I can't see the Spurs want to pay 7 million for that impact. well, maybe 7 million for this year, but are they willing to pay 10 million for a 34 years old Sjax? I do have my doubts.

[baseline bum]

people are naive if they think Sjax would be a huge upgrade.
he's in fact one of the more overrated players on this board. (and overall)people look at his numbers and say great, but ignore the fact that this numbers are a result of a lot of minutes (he would never play with the Spurs) and tons of shots he gets from Nelson.
if he was a Spur, he would be our 4th option (something he will have problems to acept), play 30 MPG and get 10 shots.
and he will look very very average in this role.
and I can't see the Spurs want to pay 7 million for that impact. well, maybe 7 million for this year, but are they willing to pay 10 million for a 34 years old Sjax? I do have my doubts.

:lol

Jackson proved pretty convincingly that he can be a very good player with this core when he was the team's most valuable role player in a title run.

[Thomas82]

we did beat LA in 03 and i agree with 04

I think he meant the 03-04 season.

[Yorae]

How about screwing finley to get sjax....hehe...

[Biggems]

people are naive if they think Sjax would be a huge upgrade.
he's in fact one of the more overrated players on this board. (and overall)people look at his numbers and say great, but ignore the fact that this numbers are a result of a lot of minutes (he would never play with the Spurs) and tons of shots he gets from Nelson.
if he was a Spur, he would be our 4th option (something he will have problems to acept), play 30 MPG and get 10 shots.
and he will look very very average in this role.
and I can't see the Spurs want to pay 7 million for that impact. well, maybe 7 million for this year, but are they willing to pay 10 million for a 34 years old Sjax? I do have my doubts.

if it were the trade I was proposing......he would be absolutely and undoubtedly a huge upgrade. Udoka, Vaughn, Thomas, Mahinmi and rights to Splitter for Jackson and Randolph. I am not saying GS would ever do this, but you cannot tell me that replacing Udoka with Jax wouldn't be a huge upgrade. It would be foolish to think it wouldn't be.

Bonner, Duncan, Jax, Mason, and Parker would be a killer starting lineup.

Randolph, Tolliver, Bowen, Manu, and Hill would make a very nice second unit.

[Biggems]

How about screwing finley to get sjax....hehe...

we cant. Finley has a clause in his contract where he can decide if he will allow himself to be traded and to whom.

[ducks]

we cant. Finley has a clause in his contract where he can decide if he will allow himself to be traded and to whom.

proof please

[Biggems]

proof please

go to ESPN.com and look it up. I believe it says so on the trade generator.

[Bartleby]

SJax is going off on the Celtics right now.

[Biggems]

Jax is abusing the Celtics.....he has made back to back tough shots, a 3 and a 2. He is finding the open man. He just fouled out Ray Allen (always a plus) while shooting a 3.

I love how he plays the game like an assassin. He shows no compassion to the opponent. I would be so excited if we could get him back in silver and black.

[T Park]

This is why, if offered a trade for Jackson, you do whatever it takes to get him.

One of the best big game shooting forward/guards I've ever seen.

[Ice009]

Yep Jax is doing it.

You've got to be crazy not to want Jax on the team.

[Ice009]

Warriors gotta get Jax some open looks here.

[Biggems]

proof please

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=242~2805~866~874~378&teams=9~9~9~9~24&te=&cash=

read what it says about finley.

[Biggems]

Warriors gotta get Jax some open looks here.

belinelli needs to stop chucking up 3s.

[Yorae]

I could use my voodoo magic and finley so he'll decide to be traded.....

[Biggems]

I could use my voodoo magic and finley so he'll decide to be traded.....

but I want to keep Finley.

I would love to put Bonner, Jax, Finley, Manu, and Mason all on the floor at the same time and play some small ball.

[Bartleby]

GS may actually pull this one off.

[Yorae]

but I want to keep Finley.

I would love to put Bonner, Jax, Finley, Manu, and Mason all on the floor at the same time and play some small ball.

That is greedy!!!!

[Ice009]

Warriors up 9 with 1:23 left.

Jax has been great. I still want to see his teammates look for him a little more right now.

[Ice009]

Get the ball to Jackson. Come on.

[Yorae]

GS got this, heh.

[Bartleby]

Jax the giant killer.

[Ice009]

Jackson has played a great game. Huge 4th quarter.

[Yorae]

I wonder how Celtics nuthugger medias are feeling right now.

[Bartleby]

Garnett picking on a guard. Typical.

[Ice009]

Garnett talking shit. Try that with Sjax KG. Try that shit with SJax.

[Biggems]

garnett is a punk, always has been. he can get physical and it is ok...but if anyone gets slightly physical with him, he gets a bitchy and tries to start shit

[Yorae]

Mess with sjax and you'll think Bonner is an angel.

[xellos88330]

Just finished watching the game. Garnett picking on a guard... grow some damn balls.

[dallaskd]

Jax for Stack..

[Yorae]

Now I really want SJax for finley, time for some voodoo magic....

[xellos88330]

I love the warriors fans. they are so friggin loud!!

[xtremesteven33]

Now I really want SJax for finley, time for some voodoo magic....



in a heartbeat.

Not possible though. Jacksons contract is WAY too big

[Biggems]

Jax for Stack..

like Nellie would take that piece of garbage....and we know he wont be helping Cuban anytime soon.

[Yorae]

Then I will voodoo sjax too and make him less greedy.

[Biggems]

in a heartbeat.

Not possible though. Jacksons contract is WAY too big

That is why we should offer them

Udoka, Vaughn, Thomas, and Splitter and for Jax and Randolph. If we have to, we can throw in a 2nd.

We help GS by giving them 2 expiring contracts, some low post veteran muscle, and a future low post prospect (who they dont have to pay right now). We also take Jax, his contract, and his sour state away from the Warriors.

Randolph is just a low post prospect we can try to nurture....since apparently Nellie doesn't want him.

[Ice009]

I doubt the Warriors would want to trade him anymore ;).

[Yorae]

That is why we should offer them

Udoka, Vaughn, Thomas, and Splitter and for Jax and Randolph. If we have to, we can throw in a 2nd.

We help GS by giving them 2 expiring contracts, some low post veteran muscle, and a future low post prospect (who they dont have to pay right now). We also take Jax, his contract, and his sour state away from the Warriors.

Randolph is just a low post prospect we can try to nurture....since apparently Nellie doesn't want him.


Remove Splitter from there, there's still hope (at least according to my crystal ball).

[Biggems]

Remove Splitter from there, there's still hope (at least according to my crystal ball).

i'll leave him in the trade. I am still hopeful that Mahinmi will come around.....and if Randolph did too, that would give us Bonner, Mahinmi, Randolph and Tolliver as young bigs we can count on.

[Ice009]

Who's our big if you trade away Thomas? I don't think I want Thomas traded or Splitter.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

S-Jax does fit SA perfectly, he defends basically everyone the Spurs can't defend. He'd be their best Kobe defender IMO, whenever LA plays SA this season Popovich is going to be more tempted to make a move if Kobe goes off against them.

I'd be surprised if Boston doesn't try to go after him. No cap space for 2010 anyway and they need a Posey replacement, Jackson is as close as they come.

[Biggems]

Who's our big if you trade away Thomas? I don't think I want Thomas traded or Splitter.

Duncan, Bonner, Oberto, Randolph, Tolliver.

[Ice009]

Duncan, Bonner, Oberto, Randolph, Tolliver.

Who's going to guard Shaq, Bynum, Ming or the host of other big men in the West?

[Killakobe81]

Id trade Luke walton & mihm for Stephen Jackson

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'd be surprised if Boston doesn't try to go after him. No cap space for 2010 anyway and they need a Posey replacement, Jackson is as close as they come.

his contract extention goes past 2010 i think

10m per season also....spurs cant afford that, unless they get rid of the 2010 plan of going after a FA, i doubt guys like bosh, wade, lebron or JJ would come here for whatever we have to offer i think around 10m

[Biggems]

I love this trade machine.....it is like a video game for us wannabe GMs...hehehe

SA gets: Stephen Jackson, Anthony Randolph, Jason Thompson
Sac gets: Corey Maggette, Ian Mahinmi, Jacques Vaughn, Kurt Thomas
GS gets: John Salmons, Mikki Moore, Fabricio Oberto, Ime Udoka, Sheldon Williams

Spurs gut their roster but end up with this younger and more athletic lineup

C: Bonner, Thompson
PF: Duncan, Randolph, Tolliver
SF: Jackson, Bowen
SG: Mason, Manu, Finley
PG: Parker, Hill

Then we can sign Mutombo to give us that veteran big at the end of the bench, or keep with the youth and sign Courtney Sims.

[Biggems]

Id trade Luke walton & mihm for Stephen Jackson

id trade both for a can of pringles......

[Yorae]

I still think our future is a twin tower of Splitter and Mahinmi......I'm a daysleeper.

[Biggems]

I still think our future is a twin tower of Splitter and Mahinmi......I'm a daysleeper.

i would love it....just very doubtful

btw, all my trade scenarios are just hot air. I know there are several factors involved besides salary. Length of contract, chemistry issues, work ethic of players, age and health of players, skillset, team needs.....etc.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is the salary stephen is on

08/09 7.14m
09/10 7.65m
10/11 8.45m
11/12 9.26m
12/13 10.06m

[Yorae]

Mahinmi, Splitter, ?,mason,hill = future.

[Yorae]

this is the salary stephen is on

08/09 7.14m
09/10 7.65m
10/11 8.45m
11/12 9.26m
12/13 10.06m

he's getting more greedy as the years goes by? (someone fucking fix my english)

[TDMVPDPOY]

he's getting more greedy as the years goes by? (someone fucking fix my english)

the last 3 years on his contract i think the warriors just gave him an extention to his contract this season....30m/3yr i believe.

[T Park]

That is why we should offer them

Udoka, Vaughn, Thomas, and Splitter and for Jax and Randolph. If we have to, we can throw in a 2nd.

We help GS by giving them 2 expiring contracts, some low post veteran muscle, and a future low post prospect (who they dont have to pay right now). We also take Jax, his contract, and his sour state away from the Warriors.

Randolph is just a low post prospect we can try to nurture....since apparently Nellie doesn't want him.


Why the hell would you want randolph?!?! Good god.


Just Udoka, Finley, Mahinmi, whatever the hell else they want

[TDMVPDPOY]

Why the hell would you want randolph?!?! Good god.


Just Udoka, Finley, Mahinmi, whatever the hell else they want

if they ask for splitters rights?

i would demand to have turiaf part of the trade also.....gives us another banger down low, and his contract looks reasonable too....

[Biggems]

he's getting more greedy as the years goes by? (someone fucking fix my english)

greedier?

[raspsa]

he's getting more greedy as the years go by? (someone fucking fix my english)

Done.

[50 cent]

Please offer Manu for SJax. That would be the best thing to ever happen to this team.

I've been saying this for quite some time. See under my username.

[50 cent]

Ginobili for Sjax and Randolph works.

Get it done Pop.

[Shastafarian]

Please offer Manu for SJax. That would be the best thing to ever happen to this team.

I've been saying this for quite some time. See under my username.

My head hurts after reading this nonsense.

[SpurAddict561]

we'll take Maggette, that's it

even though he's injury prone

but who would we trade away?

[50 cent]

My head hurts after reading this nonsense.

There is nothing nonsense about getting value for a great player that is on the downslope of his career, has lost a step, and appears to be injury prone.

Check out their stat comparisons. SJax has the clutch factor that Manu has as well.

What's nonsense is Spurs fans blind love for Ginobili that they won't open their fucking eyes to realize what might be better for the long term of the Spurs franchise.

[Shastafarian]

There is nothing nonsense about getting value for a great player that is on the downslope of his career, has lost a step, and appears to be injury prone.

Check out their stat comparisons. SJax has the clutch factor that Manu has as well.

What's nonsense is Spurs fans blind love for Ginobili that they won't open their fucking eyes to realize what might be better for the long term of the Spurs franchise.

You're right. I'd rather have a headcase who is careless with the ball than one of the most clutch players in Spurs history who is careless with the ball. Bang up job soon-to-be GM. :tu

[superbigtime]

Tony Parker for Stephen Jackson.

Fuck that man. Have you gone mad?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can't believe people wouldn't want Buckets back. Have you been paying attention to Bowen at the SF spot this year? He ain't going to keep his DPOY caliber defense going much longer.

Get Buckets and that shores up the SF spot the rest of the Tim Duncan era.

Trade any of:

Finley
Udoka
Vaughn
Ian
rights to Sanikidze
future draft picks
cash

to make it happen.

Parker
Mason
Jax
Bonner
Duncan

with a second unit of
Hill
Manu
Bowen
Thomas

to back them up. Buckets solves so many defensive problems for us, and gives us more versatility at the 3. Hell, he'd even be a better small ball PF than Finley.

Wishful thinking though, I suspect...

[Shastafarian]

Can't believe people wouldn't want Buckets back. Have you been paying attention to Bowen at the SF spot this year? He ain't going to keep his DPOY caliber defense going much longer.

Get Buckets and that shores up the SF spot the rest of the Tim Duncan era.

Trade any of:

Finley
Udoka
Vaughn
Ian
rights to Sanikidze
future draft picks
cash

to make it happen.

Parker
Mason
Jax
Bonner
Duncan

with a second unit of
Hill
Manu
Bowen
Thomas

to back them up. Buckets solves so many defensive problems for us, and gives us more versatility at the 3. Hell, he'd even be a better small ball PF than Finley.

Wishful thinking though, I suspect...
:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lol

Hey, it is Nellie. Tell him Viktor's a chucker Euro baller and he'd be all about it. But thanks for the thoughtful response. And seeings your reading comprehension is lacking (well, seeings I am throwing out an idea counter to yours I expected the silly response), the rights to Sanikidze would be a mere throwin. The other players/picks would be the heart and soul of the deal.

[Shastafarian]

Hey, it is Nellie. Tell him Viktor's a chucker Euro baller and he'd be all about it. But thanks for the thoughtful response. And seeings your reading comprehension is lacking (well, seeings I am throwing out an idea counter to yours I expected the silly response), the rights to Sanikidze would be a mere throwin. The other players/picks would be the heart and soul of the deal.

Please don't criticize my reading comprehension. I was laughing at the notion that the rights to Sanikidze are worth anything. Teams would ask for cash before asking for his rights.

[Buddy Holly]

Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Oberto, Tiago, Picks, Cash for Jax and Belinelli.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Please don't criticize my reading comprehension. I was laughing at the notion that the rights to Sanikidze are worth anything. Teams would ask for cash before asking for his rights.

Normally I would agree with you but you have to take into account we're now in a league where Houston can get Ron Artest for a bag of chips and a guided tour of NASA and the Lakers can get Gasol (I'm going to pretend this was actually on the up and up) for a couple of practice squad players and an autographed Laker girls calendar.

[T Park]

Normally I would agree with you but you have to take into account we're now in a league where Houston can get Ron Artest for a bag of chips and a guided tour of NASA and the Lakers can get Gasol (I'm going to pretend this was actually on the up and up) for a couple of practice squad players and an autographed Laker girls calendar.

So the old man got excited over a hot LA girl signing her name.

Cut him some slack.

[DAF86]

Turiaf would be nice! Splitter is going to be a much better scorer but RT is what we are missing a tuff guy inside who can rebound and block shots. At 4 mil pr year I dont see why the spurs dont inquire about him. Nelson has no use for him!

Turiaf for Vaughn, Udoka and Finley

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2789~242~866~874&teams=24~9~9~9&te=&cash=

[layupdrill]

Marcus Williams has talent, he just was stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time...

http://layupdrill.com/2008/12/marcus-williams-got-game/

[mystargtr34]

Why the hell would you want randolph?!?! Good god.


Just Udoka, Finley, Mahinmi, whatever the hell else they want

Because he is a long 6'10" guy who just turned 19, and can handle and pass the ball well.

Why wouldnt you want him.

Randolph > Mahinmi.

[Ice009]

I wouldn't trade Kurt Thomas, but I might be willing to put Bonner back into the mix.

[Chieflion]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=242~2774~2805~3276~874~3190~37 8~3455&teams=9~9~9~9~9~24~24~24&te=&cash=

I traded Tolliver, Finley, Vaughn, Mahinmi and Oberto for Stephen Jackson, Bellinelli and Randolph.

[Texas_Ranger]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=242~2774~2805~3276~874~3190~37 8~3455&teams=9~9~9~9~9~24~24~24&te=&cash=

I traded Tolliver, Finley, Vaughn, Mahinmi and Oberto for Stephen Jackson, Bellinelli and Randolph.


With Tolliver, Oberto and Mahinmi out, we've got no big man!

[TDMVPDPOY]

some of us better get back to reality.......

[Chieflion]

With Tolliver, Oberto and Mahinmi out, we've got no big man!

Ok, lets leave Mahinmi out of the deal and give them of Udoka.


On reality: Keep dreaming.

[layupdrill]

some of us better get back to reality.......
That pretty much sums it all up:blah