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dbreiden83080
12-25-2008, 06:58 PM
Merry Christmas guys, got this from Sherdog, anaylsis of the fight and MMA pro's make their picks.. Could this one be any harder to call??


http://sherdog.com/news/articles/analyzing-silva-jackson-iii-15586



Analyzing Silva-Jackson III



"When they meet for the third time Saturday night, Wanderlei Silva and Quinton Jackson will write the third act of what has proven an exceptionally violent rivalry. With Silva’s destructive pair of wins providing the highlight reel teaser leading up to this match, the trilogy itself is a rarity given the fact that one guy has already won both fights, leading some to ask why the match is happening.

Simple: Pride is past, the UFC is the present, and both men’s careers in the light heavyweight division in the sport’s sole major promotion fit nicely into this equation.

Silva, 1-1 in the UFC and 32-8-1 (1 NC), made an impressive albeit losing debut in the UFC on a decision setback to Chuck Liddell, then took out Keith Jardine in a 36-second blowout that instantly resurrected comparisons to his vintage form. Jackson, fresh off his title-losing decision to Forrest Griffin in July, needs the kind of win over a proven commodity to get a title shot. With Griffin defending against Rashad Evans on the same card, continuity of contenders is assured.

On top of it all, a third fight between these two, despite the vicious wins by Silva, still carries a bodaciously high rating on the Potential Trainwreck scale. You know it’s going to be a solid fight at worst and potentially an epic struggle at best, as their styles will make for the exact kind of fight the UFC needs, especially in a bad economy where fans would be otherwise loathe to part with pay-per-view bucks unless readily tempted (along those lines, the card is probably the best in several years, featuring Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira-Frank Mir and Forrest Griffin-Rashad Evans as well).

Whatever happens, there are some subtle changes in the mix with this matchup, much of them due to different rules in the UFC versus the defunct Pride organization where the two first met, as well as the personal factors now different with both men. Every dog has his day, and both of them know it too well given the various ups and down in their careers.

Here’s a look at five factors that could play a role in Silva-Jackson III, based on their past two bouts and the UFC setting where the drama will unfold.

Find the correct range

Jackson’s potent strength has played a role in shaping his style. He can power out of submission attempts, shuck off takedown attempts with a simple turn of his body and unload punches that land with the impact of a man swinging a nightstick. In most cases, Rampage is exceptionally dangerous when in close range, be it dirty boxing or smothering an opponent on the ground, where he pounds the body with thumping elbows before unleashing shots to the head.

The sheer physicality of his style overshadows his technique -- look at the trouble he gave Dan Henderson during their five-round bout, which had extensive tie-ups and takedowns scored by both. And in his first fight with Chuck Liddell, Jackson’s ability to stand in the pocket -- requiring considerable nerve given the incoming fire -- was nothing less than stellar.

Yet for all these stylistic advantages, in both fights with Silva, Jackson was at a clear deficit against “The Axe Murderer.” It happens. Sometimes the tools and timing a guy brings to the dance card are irrevocably disrupted by the other guy’s. Whether it’s Joe Frazier running smack-dab into the gleeful bombs of George Foreman or Tito Ortiz’s takedown-based game foiled by Liddell’s sprawl-and-brawl defense, every fighter has that nemesis that can blunt your best tactics. Jackson will have to either stay at long range where he can fire off punches -- his kicks have rarely been a factor in fights -- or smother Silva in close. In both previous fights, Silva’s ability to use chopping kicks and quick tie-ups allowed him to knee Jackson into oblivion.

For Silva, he’ll have to find that middle range, staying clear of Jackson’s home-run punches, yet defending against Quinton’s exceptional upper-body strength should the ex-UFC champ get close enough to force a chest-to-chest clinch, where he is almost impossible to dislodge. A mix of short, smart punches and precise kicks -- both of which Silva excels at -- will be the right tools, along with lateral movement and constantly forcing Jackson to reset and change angles, which Forrest Griffin did.



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Pros Picks: Silva vs. Jackson III

Sherdog.com asked dozens of professional fighters and trainers who they think will win. Which of the pros have the inside track and will predict the fight the most accurately? Read on and find out.

CB Dollaway: Well, Wanderlei has won convincingly twice, so I gotta go with him versus Rampage.

Krzysztof Soszynski: (Groans) That’s a tough one. See, it’s in a cage and not a ring so things change just a little bit. But the matchup in styles just favors Wanderlei. He’s so into the pocket and swinging for the fences. Rampage likes to stay in the pocket as well so I think it might just go down the same way as the other two have and with Wanderlei knocking out Rampage with either knees or punches.

Marcus Davis: I think it’s time for Rampage to win this. The third time’s the charm for Rampage. He’s going to come out with a good plan, he’s going to execute it and the rules of the UFC are going to compliment him a little better if he goes in there with a good plan.

Kit Cope: Some matchups will always have the same outcome. Wandy just has Q's number. The fact that Rampage refuses to work on his muay Thai doesn't help him.

Pete Sell: Got to go with Wanderlei. He already knocked him out twice.

Cung Le: Rampage by decision.

John Hackleman: Rampage by left hook.

Marvin Eastman: Rampage (by) decision.

Nick Thompson: I think that the vicious KO Silva gave Rampage last time has got to be in the back of Rampage's mind. This may cause Rampage to be more tentative than usual. A tentative Rampage is a less dangerous Rampage. Silva via KO.


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Most of the pros think
Silva will continue
to have Jackson's number.Zac George: Silva uses a scary staredown to clinch Rampage, knee his face up and win the decision.

Din Thomas: I think a more focused and determined Rampage beats Silva. I think he's the more talented of the two that just happened to drop the first two fights. We all know the more talented guy won't always win in an MMA fight. But since Rampage lost the prior meetings, hopefully he worked on why he's lost and will make it different this time. I say Rampage by decision.

Micah Miller: Tough pick. Before I saw the Griffin fight I would have said Rampage but we will have to see how he performs changing camps before such a tough fight.

Travis Lutter: That is a tough one to pick. Both guys are so tough. My prediction is a back and forth war that could go either way.

Luigi Fioravanti: Silva by knockout in round one.

Shawn Tompkins: Silva by KO late in the second round.

Randy Couture: I believe there are several questions surrounding Rampage right now (and) most importantly his training situation with the change in camp and head trainer. I think the W goes to Wanderlei but don't blink in this one either way.

Scott Lighty: Silva. I met him and he is a nice guy.

Mike Dolce: Rampage by pure brutal aggression. As Quinton's personal nutritionist I have to admit my bias, but when he steps on the scale Dec. 26 and stares right through the eyes of Wanderlei Silva, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about... Wanderlei is going to wish he were back fighting in Japan!

Kevin Burns: It's going to be a war but Silva has had his number in the past so I'll pick him, but the cage was not a factor in all the previous bouts.

Matt Lindland: History tends to repeat but Rampage is due. Great fight and even though I've seen it twice, I'll tune in. Both are great champions but I'll pick Wand.

Guy Mezger: Tough one but my gut feeling says Rampage.

Ricardo Liborio: Silva by TKO in the second.

Cub Swanson: I think Silva will crush Rampage because he has his number.

Mike Whitehead: Silva by KO round two.

Eddy Millis: I'm rooting for Rampage by left hook.

Stephane Vigneault: I think the result is going be the same as their two fights in Japan --Wand would KO Jackson again. I think Wand just has the number of Jackson and if they fight 20 times Wand would KO him 20 times. I don’t (know) what Rampage wants but man when you get KOed bad two times by the same guy, what (do) you search for fighting him a third time -- you want to die! It’s like Rampage don’t understand he can beat everybody but Wand has his number -- bottom line. Wand KO in round three.

Pete Spratt: I am gonna go with Rampage in this one. Hopefully he's back mentally. If not Wand wins by KO again. If he is and fights smart I think he will beat Wand by decision. Granted he has two KO losses to Wand, I think in a cage he will be able to press Wand against the cage and utilize his wrestling ability. That's the only way I see him winning. Make it a boring wrestling match.

James Thompson: Third time lucky for Rampage. I think he can settle the score, he has the tools. Hope he's switched on, as Wand will be up for this and ready. This has got fight of the night written all over it. Rampage by decision.

James Zikic: Rampage's boxing has improved since the Pride days and the rules of the UFC will suit him better. I don't think Wand is the same killer anymore. Rampage by split decision.

Gabe Ruediger: I’m not sure on this one. I want to say Wand beating Rampage twice would make the third already decisive, but that’s not the case. I’m not sure how Rampage’s camp has been and if he is mentally ready for this task either. Wand is such a great competitor and fighter, I’ll go with him for the win. If Rampage won I wouldn’t be surprised though.

Gary Goodridge: Silva... He has Rampage’s number. He has done it two times before and will do it again.

Rick Roufus: Wanderlei wins a decision.

Mac Danzig: Well, according to Quinton himself, he is actually God. So if that's true, he wins any way he wants. But in the real world, I pick Wanderlei. (Mac Danzig is an incredibly big asshole)

Nate Marquardt: That's a tough one to call. Rampage looked bad his last fight and Silva looked great. If Rampage is in good shape I say it's 50/50.

Johny Hendricks: I would say Silva is starting to fight like he was in Pride and Rampage has been looking really good as well. But Silva is up two and I think that is hard to overlook just like (Rampage) and the Iceman [Chuck Liddell]. I wanted the Iceman to win but sometimes things never change.

Final tallies:
Pros who picked Rampage: 10
Pros who picked Silva: 20
Pros who couldn’t decide: 5

djohn14
12-25-2008, 07:11 PM
Mac Danzig: Well, according to Quinton himself, he is actually God. So if that's true, he wins any way he wants. But in the real world, I pick Wanderlei. (Mac Danzig is an incredibly big asshole)

LOL Thanks man

dbreiden83080
12-25-2008, 07:13 PM
Mac Danzig: Well, according to Quinton himself, he is actually God. So if that's true, he wins any way he wants. But in the real world, I pick Wanderlei. (Mac Danzig is an incredibly big asshole)

LOL Thanks man

:lol

Sorry, Djohn don't know if you are a fan of his but i'm not and he always has something dumb to say.. For Brock and Randy he said somthing like "I go with Randy, Brock has a DICK ON his chest, that can't be helpful:..:rolleyes

djohn14
12-25-2008, 07:42 PM
:lol

Sorry, Djohn don't know if you are a fan of his but i'm not and he always has something dumb to say.. For Brock and Randy he said somthing like "I go with Randy, Brock has a DICK ON his chest, that can't be helpful:..:rolleyes

I wouldnt say Im a fan of him, but Im not not a fan of him. I liked him in the house because he was there to win, and stayed out of trouble with his humming birds. Weird, maybe, but wise.

dallaskd
12-25-2008, 09:36 PM
Silva by murder, via axe

BlackSwordsMan
12-25-2008, 11:37 PM
wanderlei
everyone else can suck it

desflood
12-26-2008, 08:51 AM
Question - any reason this couldn't have gone into the already existing UFC 92 thread?

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 10:28 AM
Question - any reason this couldn't have gone into the already existing UFC 92 thread?

It could have but if you want to get new people to come bye, new threads are needed and this one had good info..

desflood
12-26-2008, 02:39 PM
Ah... I assume then that updating pre-existing threads does not have the same effect.

ATRAIN
12-26-2008, 02:44 PM
You two behave hahahah it works either way :). DB watch yourself before Des knocks you out.

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 02:59 PM
Ah... I assume then that updating pre-existing threads does not have the same effect.

Well gee why don't we just reload the news and notes thread like we did in other sports, sound good?? :rolleyes

Spend some time in the Spurs section, to get a sense of how many threads get started

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 03:01 PM
You two behave hahahah it works either way :). DB watch yourself before Des knocks you out.

My sister will take care of it.. :hat

desflood
12-26-2008, 03:04 PM
Well gee why don't we just reload the news and notes thread like we did in other sports, sound good?? :rolleyes
Any particular reason you get defensive and sarcastic when somebody asks an honest question?

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 03:05 PM
Any particular reason you get defensive and sarcastic when somebody asks an honest question?

Your response was sarcastic to a resonable response by me..

desflood
12-26-2008, 03:09 PM
Actually, that wasn't sarcastic in the least. I really didn't know and was asking you. Now that you've made me feel like a total asshole, however, and shown yourself to be one in the process, I guess next time I'll seek answers elsewhere.

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 03:12 PM
Actually, that wasn't sarcastic in the least. I really didn't know and was asking you. Now that you've made me feel like a total asshole, however, and shown yourself to be one in the process, I guess next time I'll seek answers elsewhere.

You can feel however you want, don't put that on me champ.. Your intent in regards to your response i don't believe i misinterpreted at all, if i did i apologize but i don't believe that to be the case.. I'm done with this..

djohn14
12-26-2008, 05:14 PM
dammit...we are friends...this constant fighting is tearing us apart!

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 05:32 PM
dammit...we are friends...this constant fighting is tearing us apart!

LOL, it's fine Djohn..:toast

djohn14
12-26-2008, 06:11 PM
just making sure...i love you guys!!!!!!

dbreiden83080
12-26-2008, 06:21 PM
just making sure...i love you guys!!!!!!

;)

desflood
12-26-2008, 06:32 PM
Reefer madness! REEFER MADNESS!!

ATRAIN
12-27-2008, 08:24 AM
Group hug

dbreiden83080
12-27-2008, 08:44 AM
Group hug

:hat:drunk:p:

dbreiden83080
12-28-2008, 11:39 AM
John Hackleman: Rampage by left hook.

A+ :toast

angelbelow
12-29-2008, 03:41 PM
well i love wandy and have been a fan of his for years. but he lost straight up, no excuses. even for a diehard fan like me i have to wonder if hes done..