James was whistled for taking an extra step while driving for a potential tying.. [Archive]

ducks

01-04-2009, 10:48 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=Agr0mSwT.4.15vzSKl_OXPm8vLYF?gid=200901 0427&prov=ap

WASHINGTON (AP)—Was it a walk?YEP

LeBron James wants the NBA to take a closer look at what he calls his “crab dribble.” The move, James insists, does not constitute traveling.

A referee disagreed Sunday.:hat:hat:hat:hat

James was whistled for taking an extra step while driving for a potential tying layup with 2.3 seconds left, and his Cleveland Cavaliers lost 80-77 to the Eastern Conference-worst Washington Wizards despite wiping out a 16-point deficit in the fourth quarter.

“Bad call,” said James, who compiled 30 points, 10 assists and six rebounds. “We all make mistakes, and I think I got the wrong end of the bargain. I watched it 10 times after the game, and it was clearly a good play.”:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope

Without raising his voice or getting particularly animated, James dissected the game’s key sequence in extensive detail—even pointing out that he felt he was fouled as he released the shot, which went in.

His biggest beef, though, was with what he considered a misunderstanding of the way he moved to the basket.

“You have your trademark play, and that’s one of my plays. It kind of looks like a travel because it’s slow, and it’s kind of a high-step, but it’s a one-two just as fluent as any other one-two in this league. I got the wrong end of it, but I think they need to look at it—and they need to understand that’s not a travel,” James said. “It’s a perfectly legal play, something I’ve always done.”

Ballin Boy

01-04-2009, 10:50 PM

oh please. lebron should be happy when everytime he gets breathed on he gets a damn call. What a bitch.

ElNono

01-04-2009, 11:38 PM

Cue in the new rule dubbed 'The Lebron traveling exception'...

Reck

01-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Wow. Ok its not a traveled because Lebron James says so.

gtfo!

JamStone

01-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Nothing personal. ducks just hating LeBron like he's supposed to.

SmellyFeet

01-04-2009, 11:45 PM

Nothing personal. ducks just hating LeBron like he's supposed to.

This thread isnt about lebron, it's about traveling.

ducks

01-04-2009, 11:55 PM

they called a traveling call on tp last game with 1:04 second left in game

but you did not see tp raise such a fess

ClingingMars

01-04-2009, 11:55 PM

This thread isnt about lebron, it's about traveling.

Ballin Boy

01-04-2009, 11:56 PM

well i guess hes like a little kid. They have let him get away with it for so long he thinks its ok now.

pawe

01-05-2009, 12:58 AM

Cant spell class without a-s-s

Borosai

01-05-2009, 01:46 AM

He probably thinks that ridiculous 3-or-4-step move against the Wizards in the 2000whatever playoffs was legit too. Those who saw it know what I'm talking about.

TheMACHINE

01-05-2009, 03:30 AM

haha obvious 3 steps lol...what a dumbass..learn to count Lebron.

TDMVPDPOY

01-05-2009, 03:36 AM

is he going to get fined for calling out the refs?

ata

01-05-2009, 03:36 AM

Problem is, that he is so often not called for traveling, that he thinks 3 steps are OK.

cobbler

01-05-2009, 03:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhv101bx9u0

He actually watched that 10 times and wants the NBA to look into it? Talk about ballsy! :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Chieflion

01-05-2009, 03:46 AM

I would not expect Lebron to say something like

"I travelled, end of discussion." Dude is still looking for drama.

m33p0

01-05-2009, 04:00 AM

:lol:lol:lol

m33p0

01-05-2009, 04:02 AM

haha obvious 3 steps lol...what a dumbass..learn to count Lebron.
"I didn't go to no college."
-Lebron James

jmard5

01-05-2009, 05:02 AM

Travel! :lol

baseline bum

01-05-2009, 05:20 AM

Bet Washington would rather have had that call the two times in the playoffs.

JPB

01-05-2009, 05:20 AM

A french ref recently said that they (the refs) didn't bare calling all the USA players travelings during the olympics, otherwise there would have have been 1000 calls by game and the crowd would have gone vrazy on them (the refs).

He notably mentioned 2 kobe's travelings in the finale in the clutch that weren't called.

Obstructed_View

01-05-2009, 06:33 AM

It's basically a jump stop but he doesn't land on both feet at the same time, which gives him an advantage above and beyond they typical jump stop. I spend as much time defending LBJ as anyone on this board, and that, my friends is a travel every day of the week.

Dario

01-05-2009, 07:12 AM

ElNono

01-05-2009, 07:34 AM

I've seen OJ Mayo do that and get away with it, and I've seen CP3 do that A LOT, although a little quicker and get away with it too, but at that speed, you can clearly see it's a travel.

Texas_Ranger

01-05-2009, 07:37 AM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

Allanon

01-05-2009, 07:39 AM

He actually watched that 10 times and wants the NBA to look into it?

I can understand arguing that point in the heat of the moment. But after watching it 10x he still doesn't think it's a travel?

Or maybe there might be some confusion after watching the replay once or twice. I wasn't sure the first couple times I watched it...but I "got it" on about the 4th rewind.

Not hatin' on LeBron, but c'mon, you watched that 10x.

manufor3

01-05-2009, 07:50 AM

"I didn't go to no college."
-Lebron James

:lol

stéphane

01-05-2009, 08:52 AM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

This one is worse than LBJ's. :lol
But yeah the difference is the time left on the clock I think.
Refs are kinda ok for 3 steps :
- if the ballhandler is all star
- if the play is spectacular
- if it's not a game tying/winning bucket

Zee Laker

01-05-2009, 09:31 AM

is he going to get fined for calling out the refs?

The ref will be fined for using a "normal player" rule on a "SuperStar" player.

Oh and you guys should check out the Cavs fans on other forums explainning how it was not a travel :lol

ElNono

01-05-2009, 10:39 AM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

That was NOT a travel. The problem is the camera angle and that the video frame rate is choppy. He actually bounces it off his right hand before clawing it with his left driving for the dunk. You just can't see the ball because it's obscured by his hip and you can't see the bounce because the frame rate is too choppy.
How do I know? I was at that game, sitting behind the Spurs bench. I can actually see myself in that video... LOL!

stéphane

01-05-2009, 10:48 AM

That was NOT a travel.

:lmao

Zee Laker

01-05-2009, 11:09 AM

That was NOT a travel.

After reviewing the play, the NBA has annouced it will be changing the rules. The Cavs team will be allowed to call their own travel violation, "the refs will no longer have a say in this matter" said Stu Jackson from the NBA. "if a Cavs player believe he travelled on a certain play, he will just have to raise hand and nod to one the refs to stop the game". The other team will get the ball from out of bound

The NBA is also considering letting the Cavs call other teams travel violations as well. Further information will be available on that later in the week.

Armando

01-05-2009, 11:37 AM

"I didn't go to no college."
-Lebron James

:lmao

He watched 10 times and it was not obvious he took 3 steps? BTW that was the same play in the playoffs vs the Wiz where he traveled and it was not called.

ElNono

01-05-2009, 12:49 PM

:lmao

I'm talking about the Manu video, not Lebron's.

spurs_fan_in_exile

01-05-2009, 01:04 PM

Lebron wasn't happy being upstaged by Phelps at the Olympics. As you can see he's preparing to be the first ever to win a gold in basketball and the triple jump in 2012.

JoeTait75

01-05-2009, 01:05 PM

Laugh it up, fellas. Next time he gets called for that will be in about 2012.

(It was a travel, BTW.)

peskypesky

01-05-2009, 01:27 PM

I actually understand him saying its not a travel. He does it all the time and its not called, so when the ref actually calls it he clearly thinks it wrong call. It just shows how much protection he gets from refs. If he would dunk this instead of making a layup, it wouldn't be called.

Exactly. He and Kobe get away with a LOT of travelling because the damn refs and the NBA are usually too scared to call it. I've slowed down footage of both of them so many times and seen clear travelling that wasn't called.

The other thing I wish the refs would call more is carrying the ball, which I see way too often.

Hemotivo

01-05-2009, 01:31 PM

That was NOT a travel. The problem is the camera angle and that the video frame rate is choppy. He actually bounces it off his right hand before clawing it with his left driving for the dunk. You just can't see the ball because it's obscured by his hip and you can't see the bounce because the frame rate is too choppy.
How do I know? I was at that game, sitting behind the Spurs bench. I can actually see myself in that video... LOL!

saw that play from the other angle, and i agree with you

Hemotivo

01-05-2009, 01:35 PM

Exactly. He and Kobe get away with a LOT of travelling because the damn refs and the NBA are usually too scared to call it.

shaq, cp3, deron, kobe, amare.......

Dex

01-05-2009, 01:56 PM

Um....he takes a dribble, then four steps (counting the jump off), then the shot.

How is that not a travel?

Just because one of those steps is kind of a shimmy doesn't make it not a step.

Hemotivo

01-05-2009, 01:57 PM

Um....he takes a dribble, then four steps (counting the jump off), then the shot.

How is that not a travel?

Just because one of those steps is kind of a shimmy doesn't make it not a step.

lebron play or manu play?

BlackSwordsMan

01-05-2009, 02:00 PM

european two step> crab dribble

DaDakota

01-05-2009, 02:03 PM

hhv101bx9u0

About time they started calling it...that is 3 steps.

DD

Jeremy

01-05-2009, 02:10 PM

It's two steps. He never puts his right foot down at the end.

BlackSwordsMan

01-05-2009, 02:12 PM

hhv101bx9u0

About time they started calling it...that is 3 steps.

DD

lol@ the announcer
''it may not make up for the times it happened in the playoffs''

Mister Sinister

01-05-2009, 02:14 PM

Gimme three steps.

pauls931

01-05-2009, 02:18 PM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

I counted 3 steps. NBA allows 4.

turiaf for president

01-05-2009, 02:20 PM

It's two steps. He never puts his right foot down at the end.

are u blind? he takes off, off of his right foot. if wut u say is correct he jumpstopped with one foot like a pogostick....

TheMACHINE

01-05-2009, 02:33 PM

It's two steps. He never puts his right foot down at the end.

haha...count it again, he took one step before he did the hop then took 2 steps when he landed.

Jeremy

01-05-2009, 02:33 PM

are u blind? he takes off, off of his right foot. if wut u say is correct he jumpstopped with one foot like a pogostick....

Yes, that's exactly what he did.

TheMACHINE

01-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Yes, that's exactly what he did.

eye exam

peskypesky

01-05-2009, 02:35 PM

I counted 3 steps. NBA allows 4.

LeBron gets 5.

pauls931

01-05-2009, 02:37 PM

LeBron gets 5.

Only if he carries the ball before the first 2 steps.

In all fairness, just about every guard I see in the NBA carries the ball, even Nash. Everyone does this andOne dribble where you have the ball come up and briefly palm it from the side to create that pause that lets you juke people... I think Iverson has the patent even though the move has been in use for some time.

JoeTait75

01-05-2009, 02:45 PM

The ref will be fined for using a "normal player" rule on a "SuperStar" player.

Oh and you guys should check out the Cavs fans on other forums explainning how it was not a travel :lol

Most of the people on the Cavs boards I frequent know it was a travel, and they also know LeBron travels quite a bit. I know it.

I'm fine with it, though. I consider every call LBJ gets away with, every triple-dribble he's allowed to take, to be karmic retribution for what this man did to us for years and years:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-04/37931867.jpg

peskypesky

01-05-2009, 02:48 PM

Most of the people on the Cavs boards I frequent know it was a travel, and they also know LeBron travels quite a bit. I know it.

I'm fine with it, though. I consider every call LBJ gets away with, every triple-dribble he's allowed to take, to be karmic retribution for what this man did to us for years and years:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-04/37931867.jpg

:lmao

:toast

Hemotivo

01-05-2009, 02:53 PM

good one

JoeTait75

01-05-2009, 02:54 PM

:lmao

:toast

That picture was probably on LeBron's bedroom wall when he was a kid. :bang

Armando

01-05-2009, 02:58 PM

JoeTait75

01-05-2009, 03:02 PM

:lol

Your not the only team that fell to his Bulls teams.

93 Suns

I know, but we had to play the fucker six times a year, plus the annual playoff nut-punch. We were MJ's first, last and eternal bitch.

E20

01-05-2009, 03:34 PM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

LMAO I remember that. I laughed out loud, Manu took 4 steps LMAO.

Armando

01-05-2009, 03:39 PM

I know, but we had to play the fucker six times a year, plus the annual playoff nut-punch. We were MJ's first, last and eternal bitch.

You are preaching to the choir. Have you seen the Suns troubles with the Spurs?

z0sa

01-05-2009, 04:17 PM

LMAO I remember that. I laughed out loud, Manu took 4 steps LMAO.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

turiaf for president

01-05-2009, 10:03 PM

this should clear things up

EGiBXYJiTF8

Red Hawk #21

01-05-2009, 10:57 PM

I can't believe Lebron actually got called for a travel

Kobe™

01-05-2009, 11:57 PM

http://i42.tinypic.com/2zp6nhc.gif

Spurtacus

01-06-2009, 12:08 AM

Crab dribble. :pound:

Lebron is a fantastic basketball player. Everything else, including lying and being a human being, he flat out sucks at.

ClingingMars

01-06-2009, 12:20 AM

:lmao

:toast

also from youtube:

That wasnt a travel, that was a journey

-Mars

peskypesky

01-06-2009, 12:38 AM

this should clear things up

EGiBXYJiTF8

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peskypesky

01-06-2009, 12:40 AM

http://i42.tinypic.com/2zp6nhc.gif

:lmao

lefty

01-06-2009, 12:59 AM

FWIW, I like Lebron.

It's refreshing seeing a superstar not getting a superstar call in crunch time

Good job refs :tu

NBA Junkie

01-06-2009, 10:26 AM

It's funny how the refs finally nail LeBron for this against Washington in the regular season, but completely ignored his obvious travels on his GW shots in games 3 and 5 against the Wiz in the 2006 playoffs. :rolleyes

Spurs Brazil

01-06-2009, 07:39 PM

LeBron not convinced he walked

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3814635

Reck

01-06-2009, 07:43 PM

For fucks sake, the dude is stil crying about that?

Grow a fucking pair and move the fuck on James!!

bdubya

01-06-2009, 07:46 PM

Join the club, Bron. I got pulled over today for a rolling stop at a 4-way, and the officer didn't buy my "crab stop" story...

JoeTait75

01-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Join the club, Bron. I got pulled over today for a rolling stop at a 4-way, and the officer didn't buy my "crab stop" story...

:lol

Allanon

01-06-2009, 07:51 PM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

Hahah, I just watched this again and realized Manu was damn near the 3 point line when he picked up the ball. He covered 20 feet without dribbling, no travel call and made a Top 10 Countdown.

:lmao:lmao

IronMexican

01-06-2009, 07:56 PM

Any Laker fans remember Vlad's 5 steps for a dunk near the end of game 2 in the Finals?

Obstructed_View

01-06-2009, 08:52 PM

This one is nice!

nntRXAXrIvE

Seems like I've seen this one from another angle, and I'm pretty sure he dribbles the ball one more time that you can't see before he takes the steps. We had a discussion about this one a long time ago. This may not be the same play, though, because it just looks like he took the extra step. The Spurs get so few dunks that the refs might have swallowed the whistles out of pity.

ElNono

01-06-2009, 09:21 PM

Seems like I've seen this one from another angle, and I'm pretty sure he dribbles the ball one more time that you can't see before he takes the steps. We had a discussion about this one a long time ago. This may not be the same play, though, because it just looks like he took the extra step. The Spurs get so few dunks that the refs might have swallowed the whistles out of pity.

He does. I already explained that earlier. Notice how NOBODY from Philadelphia complains after the play... and we actually lost this game :(

tp2021

01-07-2009, 02:53 AM

this should clear things up

EGiBXYJiTF8

According to that video, you can move your pivot foot as long as you get rid of the ball before it touches the ground again. I thought that picking up your pivot foot is a travel unless both feet leave the ground at the same time, or your non-pivot foot is airborne first...

?

peskypesky

01-07-2009, 03:36 AM

According to that video, you can move your pivot foot as long as you get rid of the ball before it touches the ground again. I thought that picking up your pivot foot is a travel unless both feet leave the ground at the same time, or your non-pivot foot is airborne first...

?

well that ad is all f-ed up, so it is confusing. it starts off saying "a player who receives the ball while standing still" but shows footage of Lebron in motion, not standing still. and i think you're right. if you're standing still and have one foot established as your pivot foot you can't lift it in the air while the other one is on the ground, because that would be switching your pivot foot. so i think they switch in mid-stream to talk about a player in motion. whatever. just enjoy the lovely footage of Lebron taking the extra steps that are his Kingly right.

Texas_Ranger

01-07-2009, 09:26 AM

Only if he carries the ball before the first 2 steps.

In all fairness, just about every guard I see in the NBA carries the ball, even Nash. Everyone does this andOne dribble where you have the ball come up and briefly palm it from the side to create that pause that lets you juke people... I think Iverson has the patent even though the move has been in use for some time.

Here you can see that LeBron can make 3 steps before putting the ball on the court.

hH73R9GIbXg