Iraqi man wins $240K because of his t-shirt

[DarrinS]

WTF is this world coming to? This dude gets near a quarter million dollars because the airline made him cover his t-shirt and sit at the rear of the plane.

Does this really warrant $240,000?


http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000490/jetblue-tsa-workers-pay-240000-to-settle-t-shirt-lawsuit/




JetBlue Airways and two U.S. Transportation Security Administration officials paid $240,000 to settle a lawsuit that charged the two groups barred a man from a flight until he covered his T-shirt with an Arabic phrase.

The money was paid Friday to Raed Jarrar, a 30-year-old Iraqi-born U.S. resident who lives in Washington, D.C. and is married to an American citizen. Jarrar alleged that he was prevented from boarding an August 2006 flight to Oakland, Calif. because he was wearing a T-shirt that said, “We Will Not Be Silent” in both English and Arabic. He said he wasn’t allowed to board until he covered the shirt and was seated at the rear of the plane. “I proved my point. And now I think it’s pretty clear what they did to me was very wrong and should not be repeated with anyone,” Jarrar told the Washington Post. Jarrar was represented by the American Civil Liberties Union.

Representatives for JetBlue and the two TSA employees named in the suit, denied any wrongdoing and said they settled because of legal costs. “JetBlue continues to deny, outright, every critical aspect of Mr. Jarrar’s version of events,” airline spokeswoman Alison Croyle said in an e-mailed statement.

Discrimination suits are rare because pilots have so much latitude in choosing who does or doesn’t board the plane, civil rights attorneys said, and it’s difficult to prove discrimination if customers are offered other flights.

The settlement came as AirTran Airways publicly apologized to nine Muslim American passengers removed from a New Year’s Day flight out of Reagan Washington National Airport, and who threatened a lawsuit. The family was removed after a couple of family members began talking about the safest place to sit on the plane which allegedly disturbed other passengers.

The two cases, at least to me, show that there are limits to pilots’ latitude, especially when it appears to be based on discrimination or prejudice. Perhaps a pilot decides it best to have a family removed, or a T-shirt allegedly covered, to keep the majority of his or her passengers calm. But when does that stop becoming a safety concern and becomes more about prejudice and xenophobia? It’s the pilot’s and crew’s duty to be sensitive to different cultures, even if it means discounting other passengers’ outdated beliefs. Perhaps now, with allegations of discrimination showing how costly that behavior can be for airlines, that may happen.

[Winehole23]

Freedom of expression short of threats to safety and violence trump the "right" to feel secure.

It warrants $240,000 if Jet Blue thinks this a fair amount to make a finding of fault go away. Jet Blue either has no chance to win, or gave up.

[Galileo]

WTF is this world coming to? This dude gets near a quarter million dollars because the airline made him cover his t-shirt and sit at the rear of the plane.

Does this really warrant $240,000?


http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000490/jetblue-tsa-workers-pay-240000-to-settle-t-shirt-lawsuit/

You weren't on the jury and don't know all the facts. Your response is simply knee-jerk. Please go into the facts in more depth, then write up a detailed report of the pros & cons, then we might be interested in your complaints.

[balli]

WTF is this world coming to? This dude gets near a quarter million dollars because the airline made him cover his t-shirt and sit at the rear of the plane.

Does this really warrant $240,000?

Yes. So other racist companies know not to do the same.

In fact, I think he should get substantially more. And free air travel for life.

And... why doesn't it surprise me this was Jet Blue? Fucking mormon airline.

[doobs]

Yes. So other racist companies know not to do the same.

In fact, I think he should get substantially more. And free air travel for life.

And... why doesn't it surprise me this was Jet Blue? Fucking mormon airline.

Beautiful post.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm just amused that an Iraqi, living in America, after Saddam is no more, decides he has the balls to wear a shirt saying "We will not be silent".

[clambake]

dammit, i shoulda thought of that.

[IronMexican]

Didn't Jet Blue once make a man sit in a toilet for an entire flight?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

WTF is this world coming to? This dude gets near a quarter million dollars because the airline made him cover his t-shirt and sit at the rear of the plane.

Does this really warrant $240,000?


http://industry.bnet.com/travel/1000490/jetblue-tsa-workers-pay-240000-to-settle-t-shirt-lawsuit/

You're missing the point. Its not about what the man gets, or why he got it. Its about making the airline pay for blatant fucking discrimination. You think anything less than a few million dollars is going to teach a multi-million dollar company that freedom of speech is universal?? If anything Jet Blue got off easy. Plain and simple.

[Clandestino]

shit... he got fucked!!! if he had been black he wouldve been awarded 240 MILLION!!!

[DarrinS]

For 240K, I would wear a t-shirt that said "I love Kobe" and would let a flight attendant take a dump on my chest.


My point was not that the airline wasn't at fault, just that the amount awarded was too high, IMO.


These are the kind of rulings that make people want to "slip and fall" at Wallmart and hire one of these local d-bag injury lawyers.


Don't be surprised if someone else copies this man just for financial gain.


By the way, someone in this thread stated that freedom of expression trumps the public's right to safety. I challenge you to walk into your local movie theater and scream "FIRE!".


EDIT> My bad. I see you did qualify that statement


Freedom of expression short of threats to safety and violence trump the "right" to feel secure.

[ChumpDumper]

The amount wasn't awarded, it was settled upon.
I'm just amused that an Iraqi, living in America, after Saddam is no more, decides he has the balls to wear a shirt saying "We will not be silent".What does that mean?

Iraqis should be silent?

I think people are jumping to conclusions about the meaning of the shirt, and that's what caused all this idiocy in the first place.

[Winehole23]

My point was not that the airline wasn't at fault, just that the amount awarded was too high, IMO.Not for Jet Blue. Good thing there was no determination of fault, or it could have been much more expensive for them.


Don't be surprised if someone else copies this man just for financial gain.I wouldn't be so surprised if this guy did it for the money. The motive doesn't matter IMO. We're talking 1st amendment. If companies don't want to pay off free speech chiselers, the solution is easy: don't pick on protected expression. Surely it's not so hard to discriminate between some jackass with a conspicuous t-shirt and an actual terrorist threat.

[doobs]

forget it

[ChumpDumper]

The government was involved in this case.

Any lawyer could see that.

[Rockhound]

What does that mean?

Iraqis should be silent?


That he is living in AMERICA and Sadam is dead...

NOW you have the balls to "not be silent"? Brave man. <---Sarcasm

[ChumpDumper]

That he is living in AMERICA and Sadam is dead...

NOW you have the balls to "not be silent"? Brave man. <---SarcasmAgain, does anyone even know what the shirt means?

[Rockhound]

Again, does anyone even know what the shirt means?

Ah, I thought you meant what did Snakeboy mean.


I have no idea wtf that shirt means :lol

[Winehole23]

forget itC'mon doobs. Silence implies consent. Out with it already, you're the ace pleader around here.

[SnakeBoy]

What does that mean?

It means that I find it amusing that Iraqi's living in the US, after Saddam is removed from power suddenly find the courage to be outspoken.


Iraqis should be silent?

If that's the only way they can express their gratitude then yes.


I think people are jumping to conclusions about the meaning of the shirt, and that's what caused all this idiocy in the first place.

http://thecriticalvoice.org/order/

They're protesting the "illegal" invasion of Iraq because they believe in freedom from oppression. Like I said, it's amusing.

[ChumpDumper]

It means that I find it amusing that Iraqi's living in the US, after Saddam is removed from power suddenly find the courage to be outspoken.Do you know anything about this man's story? I don't.




If that's the only way they can express their gratitude then yes.So you don't like freedom of speech. Understood.




http://thecriticalvoice.org/order/

They're protesting the "illegal" invasion of Iraq because they believe in freedom from oppression. Like I said, it's amusing.We're the ones who are supposed to believe in it, but you don't. What does that make you?

Well, this little fracas gave their cause more publicity than they ever could have generated by themselves. Congratulations to all of us.

[Rockhound]

Do you fairies think it is discrimination to search Arab looking people at Airports?

Some Americans are so worried about hurting others feelings that they remain ignorant on their own safety imo.

[ChumpDumper]

This isn't about screening. I'm sure they screened the shit out of him.

[clambake]

Do you fairies think it is discrimination to search Arab looking people at Airports?
do you?


Some Americans are so worried about hurting others feelings that they remain ignorant on their own safety imo.
if that's how you feel, why limit searches to airports.

[SnakeBoy]

We're the ones who are supposed to believe in it, but you don't.

How did you get to the conclusion that I don't believe in it? Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?

[ChumpDumper]

How did you get to the conclusion that I don't believe in it?I think it was when you said you didn't.
Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?I believe they fucked up in this particular case.

[SnakeBoy]

I think it was when you said you didn't.

Show me the quote.


I believe they fucked up in this particular case.

Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?

[ChumpDumper]

Show me the quote.
If that's the only way they can express their gratitude then yes.


Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?Which Iraqis?

In what way?

[SnakeBoy]

If that's the only way they can express their gratitude then yes.

How is believing an Iraqi who left their own country should be grateful to American soldiers for doing what they were unwilling to do the same as not believing in freedom from opression?


Which Iraqis?

In what way?

Your choice. Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?. It's a simple question, if you don't want to answer it for some reason then just say so.

[ChumpDumper]

How is believing an Iraqi who left their own country should be grateful to American soldiers for doing what they were unwilling to do the same as not believing in freedom from opression?You want him to be silent, so freedom of speech is something that's not terribly important to you. You are free to believe that -- that's what's great about this country.



Your choice. Do you believe the US is oppressing the Iraqi's?. It's a simple question, if you don't want to answer it for some reason then just say so.It's a very complicated question seeing as there are millions of Iraqis and just as many forms of oppression. There are many reasons that Iraqis could be pissed about the invasion and occupation, so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about this one individual.

[Blake]

That he is living in AMERICA and Sadam is dead...

NOW you have the balls to "not be silent"? Brave man. <---Sarcasm

if he such a die hard Iraqi in that sense, then why is he living in America flying around on JetBlue?

I wonder if he screams "American infidel pigs" while riding Space Mountain at Disneyworld

just a hunch, but I'm betting he's not a fan of Saddams......

[Bigzax]

new tshirt-

"will be silent 4 cash"

[balli]

How is believing an Iraqi who left their own country should be grateful to American soldiers for doing what they were unwilling to do the same as not believing in freedom from opression?

Grateful? We ripped their fucking country to shreds. Hundreds of thousands of people are no longer alive because of us. You're fucking ignorant man.

[Winehole23]

new tshirt-

"will be silent 4 cash"Too threatening. It's an implicit demand for money.

Personally, I'd be tempted to pay off to not even hear word one if the price were reasonable.

[DarrinS]

Totally unrelated, but one time I was in Louisianna driving back to San Antonio. I stopped at some hole in the wall place to get a po boy. I was eating it in my car when I realized I was choking on something. I had to pull over and self-administer the heimlic maneuver. You know what was in that po boy? A fucking 8 inch strand of some chick's hair extension!!


Now, my first amendment "feelings" didn't get hurt, but I could've been killed by that sandwhich of death. Where's my mofuckin quarter mil?


Again, am I the only one that would let the flight attendant take a dump on me for $240K?

[ChumpDumper]

Now, my first amendment "feelings" didn't get hurt, but I could've been killed by that sandwhich of death. Where's my mofuckin quarter mil?Did you sue?

[Oh, Gee!!]

was the restaurant in question insured?

[DarrinS]

Did you sue?


No, that's not how I roll.

[Winehole23]

Now, my first amendment "feelings" didn't get hurt, but I could've been killed by that sandwhich of death. Where's my mofuckin quarter mil?Are you within two years of the incident? Do you have documentation of your pain and suffering, plus expenses?



Again, am I the only one that would let the flight attendant take a dump on me for $240K?I believe this makes twice you've advertised your price!

Good luck with that..


It already sent my imagination a postcard, so thanks for the keepsake, D.:smchode:

[DarrinS]

Are you within two years of the incident? Do you have documentation of your pain and suffering, plus expenses?



I would consider my case a frivolous lawsuit. I think our society is entirely too litigious. America needs more scientists and engineers and fewer lawyers. No offense, if you are one.

[ChumpDumper]

No, that's not how I roll.That's why you don't get any money.

[Oh, Gee!!]

That's why you don't get any money.

holla

[Winehole23]

I would consider my case a frivolous lawsuit. I think our society is entirely too litigious. America needs more scientists and engineers and fewer lawyers. No offense, if you are one.None taken. I'm not.

[doobs]

C'mon doobs. Silence implies consent. Out with it already, you're the ace pleader around here.

No, I just think this is stupid. I started to write something, but then I realized that understanding what's going on in this case would require some reading, and I just don't care enough. I will say this: I'm all for freedom of expression, but this doesn't seem to be a speech issue. More of a racial discrimination issue. Yawn.

[Winehole23]

No, I just think this is stupid. I started to write something, but then I realized that understanding what's going on in this case would require some reading, and I just don't care enough. I will say this: I'm all for freedom of expression, but this doesn't seem to be a speech issue. More of a racial discrimination issue. Yawn.Fair enough. Everyone's free to change the channel. I was curious about your view, is all. Thanks for weighing in.

[SnakeBoy]

You want him to be silent

Since you're big on reading comprehension skills...

If the only way the Iraqi man can express his gratitude is to be silent then he should be silent.

The main idea of this sentence is:
a. The Iraqi man should be grateful.
b. The Iraqi man should be silent.
c. The Iraqi man flies on crappy airlines.
d. The Iraqi man found a hair extension in his food.



It's a very complicated question seeing as there are millions of Iraqis and just as many forms of oppression. There are many reasons that Iraqis could be pissed about the invasion and occupation, so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about this one individual.

It's really not but I'll take that as an indication that you don't want to answer.

[balli]

It's really not [complicated]
I think that sort of willingness to disregard reality sums up pretty well why the Republicans fucked this war up so badly. Too bad nothing's changed.

[leo_d]

isn`t Jet Blue a private company?

[balli]

isn`t Jet Blue a private company?
:wow
Please tell me you have Down's Syndrome.

[SnakeBoy]

I think that sort of willingness to disregard reality

If you want to answer the question feel free.

[ChumpDumper]

Since you're big on reading comprehension skills...

If the only way the Iraqi man can express his gratitude is to be silent then he should be silent.

The main idea of this sentence is:
a. The Iraqi man should be grateful.
b. The Iraqi man should be silent.
c. The Iraqi man flies on crappy airlines.
d. The Iraqi man found a hair extension in his food.You made the foolish assumption that he is required to feel and express gratitude for the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. Very faulty reasoning.




It's really not but I'll take that as an indication that you don't want to answer.It is quite complicated, but I'll take that as an indication that you can't explain yourself or understand nuance.

[balli]

If you want to answer the question feel free.

I've been skimming and don't even know the fucking question you guys are arguing about. All I know is that your contention is, that nothing bad enough could have happened to this guy, that he shouldn't be grateful to America.

And that's some stupid fucking bullshit right there. How do you know anything about this dude that you could say something like that? You have no clue as to what he has or has not been through at the hands of a foreign invader. And to sit there and say the only thing he should be allowed to express is gratitude, is beyond dumb. It's fucking retard logic. Go fuck yourself retard.

[Blake]

Totally unrelated, but one time I was in Louisianna driving back to San Antonio. I stopped at some hole in the wall place to get a po boy. I was eating it in my car when I realized I was choking on something. I had to pull over and self-administer the heimlic maneuver. You know what was in that po boy? A fucking 8 inch strand of some chick's hair extension!!



I'm not sure, but I think in Lousiana you have to specify if you want a hair free burger or not.

If you don't say anything, then they go ahead and through it in for free.

[Winehole23]

Beautiful post.Everybody's supposed to respect the faith of others, but it's still ok to pick on the Mormons. I'm getting tired of this motif, too.

I thought this country was still safe for religious weirdos. I guessed wrong.

[balli]

Everybody's supposed to respect the faith of others, but it's still ok to pick on the Mormons. I'm getting tired of this motif, too.

Well, try living amongst them sometime and then get back to me. I have no problem admitting my bigotry as it pertains to these cult-members.

[Winehole23]

Well, try living amongst them sometime and then get back to me. I have no problem admitting my bigotry as it pertains to these cult-members.Good for you. You're welcome to it, ballijuana.

[DarrinS]

All I know is that damn t-shirt was a great investment. If I were him, I'd frame it.

[SnakeBoy]

I've been skimming and don't even know the fucking question you guys are arguing about.

It's very simple. I found it amusing that this guy left his country (pre or post Saddam, it doesn't matter), then chose the US as his new home, then chose to protest the US for oppressing the country he left while still choosing to live in the US instead of returning to Iraq or moving somewhere else. And yes, I feel he should have some sense of gratitude that he is in a country that gives him $240k for voicing his opinion instead of sticking him a meat grinder (that's somewhat amusing also).

ChumpDumper does not find any amusement in the story took exception to my comment and apparently feels that the US is oppressing the Iraqi people but doesn't want to say it.

Simple.

[balli]

ChumpDumper does not find any amusement in the story took exception to my comment and apparently feels that the US is oppressing the Iraqi people but doesn't want to say it.
I'll say it. The US is oppressing the Iraqi people. We never should have gone in there and we should get the fuck out ASAP. They were better off with Saddam. You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO. Because that's what I consider the US invasion of Iraq to be- mass murder.

[doobs]

I'll say it. The US is oppressing the Iraqi people. We never should have gone in there and we should get the fuck out ASAP. They were better off with Saddam. You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO. Because that's what I consider the US invasion of Iraq to be- mass murder.

Wow. :wow

[Blake]

I'll say it. The US is oppressing the Iraqi people. We never should have gone in there and we should get the fuck out ASAP. They were better off with Saddam. You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO. Because that's what I consider the US invasion of Iraq to be- mass murder.

quick poll: how many of us that (mistakenly) voted for Bush knew that he wanted to get Saddam and that by voting for Bush, you in effect were going to hell?

What would Kerry have done.....wwkd?

[doobs]

quick poll: how many of us that (mistakenly) voted for Bush knew that he wanted to get Saddam and that by voting for Bush, you in effect were going to hell?

What would Kerry have done.....wwkd?

I'm confused.

[balli]

I'm confused.

He's asking whether or not he should be condemned to hell as a consequence of mistakenly voting Bush. I'd say no. But it was a pretty fucking big mistake. And actually, the damage Bush has done to the world and our country is probably just deserts enough for those who mistakenly supported him.

[leo_d]

:wow
Please tell me you have Down's Syndrome.

I don`t.

But I do think that the private company have the right to put some ground rules to political expresions inside the airplane. If somebody doesn`t like can chose another airline.

Or would you let someone with a t-shirt that says "fuck ballijuana" enter into your home?

[doobs]

He's asking whether or not he should be condemned to hell as a consequence of mistakenly voting Bush. I'd say no. But it was a pretty fucking big mistake. And actually, the damage Bush has done to the world and our country is probably just deserts enough for those who mistakenly supported him.

Still confused.

Are you saying someone who voted for Bush in 2000, but now regrets it, is free from sin, but someone who voted for Bush in 2004 is condemned to hell because they ratified his decision to go to war?

We went to war in 2003 (mass murder, right?). In 2004, we went to vote. Both major candidates supported the invasion into Iraq, but differed over the management of the war and when to end the occupation. It seems to me you need to account for Kerry voters, too. Are they going to hell, too? Or an extended stay in purgatory? Limbo?

[balli]

Or would you let someone with a t-shirt that says "fuck ballijuana" enter into your home?
My home isn't a public venue. And whether or not Jet Blue is a private company, that airplane, once he bought his ticket was a public venue. And besides, where do you draw the line. Should Jet Blue have been allowed to cut off this guys head and hands before stuffing his body in the lavatory, all in the name of a private companies right to do so, once he boarded the confines of their plane?

And lest we get into a huge argument over private ownership vs. public venue, (like happened with the smoking ban thread) I'll just say this:

There's more than enough legal precedent that says private companies have to respect constitutionally mandated, individual rights. Y'know, just a tad.

[SnakeBoy]

I'll say it. The US is oppressing the Iraqi people. We never should have gone in there and we should get the fuck out ASAP. They were better off with Saddam. You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO. Because that's what I consider the US invasion of Iraq to be- mass murder.

Well, at least your honest. :toast

[balli]

Both major candidates supported the invasion into Iraq, but differed over the management of the war and when to end the occupation. It seems to me you need to account for Kerry voters, too.

Excuse me (and I'm paraphrasing someone else here). He didn't support the invasion. He supported a resolution that said as a last resort we are going to give you, sheriff George Bush, a badge and a gun, that's not saying that he supported the notion that Bush would go in there blasting away at the first sign of trouble after kicking Hans Blix out pre-maturely.


Are they going to hell, too? Or an extended stay in purgatory? Limbo?
I didn't say anybody was going to hell. I'm not God... but if they aren't going to hell, I fucking should be.

[DarrinS]

I'll say it. The US is oppressing the Iraqi people. We never should have gone in there and we should get the fuck out ASAP. They were better off with Saddam. You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO. Because that's what I consider the US invasion of Iraq to be- mass murder.



Good example of that mental disorder called moral equivalence.

[leo_d]

If the ticket (the contract) says that the company reserves the right to control political expresions inside the airplane, they souldn`t paid a dime. If it doesn`t im sure they will add something like that in the future.

And if i own a bar with a big smoking sign in the entrance i can asure you that you would be violating my constitutional rights if you try to close it.

[doobs]

I didn't say anybody was going to hell. I'm not God... but if they aren't going to hell, I fucking should be.

Really?



You yourself, if you voted for Bush in 2004, deserve to rot in hell for murder IMO.

OK. So what happens to Kerry supporters?

[balli]

Good example of that mental disorder called moral equivalence.
I see nothing about 'moral equivalence' in the DSM-IV.

[SnakeBoy]

Excuse me (and I'm paraphrasing someone else here). He didn't support the invasion. He supported a resolution that said as a last resort we are going to give you, sheriff George Bush, a badge and a gun, that's not saying that he supported the notion that Bush would go in there blasting away at the first sign of trouble after kicking Hans Blix out pre-maturely.


I always love that one from the democrats. Our military was poised to attack, Bush says "hey can you guys authorize this war", they say "sure ok", and then they say "Duh, I didn't know what I was voting for" when things go to shit.

[balli]

If it doesn`t im sure they will add something like that in the future.
No. Because that would be illegal. Again:


There's more than enough legal precedent that says private companies have to respect constitutionally mandated, individual rights.
Especially regarding rights that fall under the first amendment.

[leo_d]

No. Because that would be illegal. Again:


Especially regarding rights that fall under the first amendment.

Maybe, but that doesn`t mean it is right.

[balli]

Maybe, but that doesn`t mean it is right.

okay Stalin

[leo_d]

okay Stalin

hey you are the one talkin about public venues and limited rights over private property, you are way more close to Stalin than I am

[doobs]

Especially regarding rights that fall under the first amendment.

Just so we're clear, you're really only talking about anti-discrimination laws, which are passed by Congress and state legislatures. The Constitution does not forbid Jet Blue from restricting your right to speech or expression or religion. The First Amendment only applies to the government. (Some people think it only applies to Congress, in fact.)

[Winehole23]

Maybe, but that doesn`t mean it is right.Quite right. But consider:

If the supreme law of the land isn't supreme, and can be trumped by the changing moral consensus (what is right), why have a constitution at all?

[leo_d]

Quite right. But consider:

If the supreme law of the land isn't supreme, and can be trumped by the changing moral consensus (what is right), why have a constitution at all?

I don`t beleive i have rights because they are writen in the Constitution, and i don`t beleive that my rights are bounded to the majority or the moral consensus.

[Winehole23]

The Constitution does not forbid Jet Blue from restricting your right to speech or expression or religion.Still, they paid almost a quarter mil to make the t-shirt guy go away. If their case is so solid, I wonder why they paid off.

Just curious, does Jet Blue curtail speech, expression or religion? Do we waive our rights when we buy the ticket?

[Winehole23]

I don`t beleive i have rights because they are writen in the Constitution, and i don`t beleive that my rights are bounded to the majority or the moral consensus.Lemme guess, natural rights (http://www.bartleby.com/65/na/natrlrig.html) then?

[leo_d]

Still, they paid almost a quarter mil to make the t-shirt guy go away. If their case is so solid, I wonder why they paid off.

Just curious, does Jet Blue curtail speech, expression or religion? Do we waive our rights when we buy the ticket?

Im not sure about the rights of expression, but you do waive the right to walk out once you are in the air.

[leo_d]

Lemme guess, natural rights (http://www.bartleby.com/65/na/natrlrig.html) then?

yeap

[ChumpDumper]

It's very simple. I found it amusing that this guy left his country (pre or post Saddam, it doesn't matter), then chose the US as his new home, then chose to protest the US for oppressing the country he left while still choosing to live in the US instead of returning to Iraq or moving somewhere else. And yes, I feel he should have some sense of gratitude that he is in a country that gives him $240k for voicing his opinion instead of sticking him a meat grinder (that's somewhat amusing also).

ChumpDumper does not find any amusement in the story took exception to my comment and apparently feels that the US is oppressing the Iraqi people but doesn't want to say it.

Simple.I find amusement in your sheer idiocy. You're a complete dolt and don't understand the most basic concepts.

Simple.

[LnGrrrR]

Grateful? We ripped their fucking country to shreds. Hundreds of thousands of people are no longer alive because of us. You're fucking ignorant man.

That 'grateful' line always reminds me of Family Guy, when Stewie talks about how America freed the slaves... "We wrote a pretty big check for you guys"... lol

[ClingingMars]

lol, fuck the ACLU

-Mars

[doobs]

Still, they paid almost a quarter mil to make the t-shirt guy go away. If their case is so solid, I wonder why they paid off.

Just curious, does Jet Blue curtail speech, expression or religion? Do we waive our rights when we buy the ticket?

I never said their case was solid. I was only pointing out that Jet Blue is under no constitutional obligation to respect your right to expression. The First Amendment is applicable to government, only. But you also enjoy certain statutory rights regarding discrimination, and those rights are created by Congress and state legislatures.

So, in response to your general question: no, you don't waive your First Amendment rights when you buy a ticket. You still have them, they just don't protect you from private discrimination.

The TSA is another matter, I suppose.

[Blake]

Still, they paid almost a quarter mil to make the t-shirt guy go away. If their case is so solid, I wonder why they paid off.


Jet Blue didn't want the negative publicity in a dragged out case.

I think JB would have won the lawsuit, but sometimes it's just better to apologize, pay a few bucks and move on.

Corporations do it all the time.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It's very simple. I found it amusing that this guy left his country (pre or post Saddam, it doesn't matter), then chose the US as his new home, then chose to protest the US for oppressing the country he left while still choosing to live in the US instead of returning to Iraq or moving somewhere else. And yes, I feel he should have some sense of gratitude that he is in a country that gives him $240k for voicing his opinion instead of sticking him a meat grinder (that's somewhat amusing also).

ChumpDumper does not find any amusement in the story took exception to my comment and apparently feels that the US is oppressing the Iraqi people but doesn't want to say it.

Simple.

You are one complete and utter fucking idiot, you know that? Do you live in cloud nine of shitville? What the fuck does it matter where he is from??

[SnakeBoy]

What the fuck does it matter where he is from??

Now you're just trying to follow in Chumps footsteps by asking me to explain a joke to you. Unfortunately I'm busy today so I can't take the time to fuck with you for asking such a stupid question.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol you're following in your own footsteps not being able to explain what your bullshit has to do with anything.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm just amused that an Iraqi, living in America, after Saddam is no more, decides he has the balls to wear a shirt saying "We will not be silent".


What does that mean?



And just so Manumaniac doesn't spend too much time scratching his head...

A british man moves to the US and then protests the war in Iraq by wearing a shirt that says we will not be silent. - See there isn't anything humorous or ironic about that so it does matter where he's from.


:lol you're following in your own footsteps not being able to explain what your bullshit has to do with anything.

Bingo! The little light bulb in your head finally came on. I never commented on the Jet Blue case.

[ChumpDumper]

Except this is the cause of the JetBlue case.

You still have no idea what you are talking about.