Tebow < VY

[CubanSucks]

Tebow might occasionally barrell over some defensive back to get that extra couple yards but Vince Young would avoid the defender all together to get that extra 20 yards! Try to argue with that florida fans. That fucking chubby faced 5 yr old haircut bitch is NO Superman, that title belongs to VY.

[dirk4mvp]

I agree. And I fucking hate Vince Young. He was also a better passer in college while not taking 3 seconds to load it up.

[Holmes_Fans]

Anyone who would even think Tebow is better than VY should kill themselves.

[tlongII]

Wgaf

[ClingingMars]

Wgaf

[dirk4mvp]

Wgaf


Do you say this because the Beavers never have a player to be in the type of discussions?

[Holmes_Fans]

Their only good players come from the bin of players Texas, Tech, OU and A&M didn't want. ('Quiz Rodgers)

[tlongII]

Wgaf

[Shastafarian]

Tebow has more national championships and a heisman.

Young's stats:

YR Comp PA Yards TD INT RushA Yds Avg TD
2003 84 143 1,155 6 7 135 998 7.4 11
2004 148 250 1,849 12 11 167 1,079 6.5 14
2005 212 325 3,036 26 10 155 1,050 6.8 12


Tebow's stats:

2006 FLA 22 33 66.7 358 5 1
2007 FLA 234 350 66.9 3286 32 6
2008 FLA 192 298 64.4 2747 30 4


2006 FLA 89 469 5.3 8
2007 FLA 210 895 4.3 23
2008 FLA 176 673 3.8 12


Not sure how anyone could say VY is far and away better...

[Holmes_Fans]

Vince Young in a road game versus the "greatest team of all time"

30/40 267 passing
19-200-3 rushing

Led nation in passing efficiency in 2005. Only QB EVER to pass for 2500 and rush for 1000. His team was also the undisputed national champion because they went undefeated and defeated the only other undefeated team.

They can both battle for who has the crappier NFL career.

[CubanSucks]

Tebow has more national championships and a heisman.

Young's stats:

YR Comp PA Yards TD INT RushA Yds Avg TD
2003 84 143 1,155 6 7 135 998 7.4 11
2004 148 250 1,849 12 11 167 1,079 6.5 14
2005 212 325 3,036 26 10 155 1,050 6.8 12


Tebow's stats:

2006 FLA 22 33 66.7 358 5 1
2007 FLA 234 350 66.9 3286 32 6
2008 FLA 192 298 64.4 2747 30 4


2006 FLA 89 469 5.3 8
2007 FLA 210 895 4.3 23
2008 FLA 176 673 3.8 12


Not sure how anyone could say VY is far and away better...

Hold the fucking phone! First, Tebow really only has 1 championship to himself, he was just another runningback his first year (Chris Leak). Second, I don't remember Vince Young giving up TWO picks in the biggest game or even letting us down by not getting a first down when we needed it like Tebow did (Ole Miss?). Third, everyone knows Vince Young should have won the heisman especially since Reggie Bush wasn't even the best player on his sidelines that game (Lendale White). And finally, VY never needed to run around on the sidelines pumping his fists and screaming like he's some junior high player to get his team "pumped up". It's all a big show and I don't buy that shit.

[Whisky Dog]

Of course, VY is far and away the most clutch college QB to ever play the game. The guy dominated the so-called greatest team of all time in a road game in that team's city by throwing the best performance of all time at the mofos, capping off one of the most impressive undefeated seasons of all time including a 70-3 raping of the Buffs in the Big XII title game.

Tebow beat Choklahoma, the same Choklahoma that lost by the same margin to the Texas team that should have been beating Tebow's ass in the title game. Tebow also lost to Ole Miss, a team VY would have beaten as a 15 year old.

[pkbpkb81]

Tebow has more national championships and a heisman.

Young's stats:

YR Comp PA Yards TD INT RushA Yds Avg TD
2003 84 143 1,155 6 7 135 998 7.4 11
2004 148 250 1,849 12 11 167 1,079 6.5 14
2005 212 325 3,036 26 10 155 1,050 6.8 12


Tebow's stats:

2006 FLA 22 33 66.7 358 5 1
2007 FLA 234 350 66.9 3286 32 6
2008 FLA 192 298 64.4 2747 30 4


2006 FLA 89 469 5.3 8
2007 FLA 210 895 4.3 23
2008 FLA 176 673 3.8 12


Not sure how anyone could say VY is far and away better...

they will say that cause your on a board full of horns homers, i bet tebow never tryes to kill himself after a bad game, also vy1-2 agains the sooner tebow 1-0

[Holmes_Fans]

As a starter Tim Tebow is 22-5. That is not as impressive as the following;

Vince Young 30-2
Matt Leinart 39- 2
Tommie Frazier 33-3
Ken Dorsey - 38-2

[CubanSucks]

they will say that cause your on a board full of horns homers, i bet tebow never tryes to kill himself after a bad game, also vy1-2 agains the sooner tebow 1-0

Let's try this again


Hold the fucking phone! First, Tebow really only has 1 championship to himself, he was just another runningback his first year (Chris Leak). Second, I don't remember Vince Young giving up TWO picks in the biggest game or even letting us down by not getting a first down when we needed it like Tebow did (Ole Miss?). Third, everyone knows Vince Young should have won the heisman especially since Reggie Bush wasn't even the best player on his sidelines that game (Lendale White). And finally, VY never needed to run around on the sidelines pumping his fists and screaming like he's some junior high player to get his team "pumped up". It's all a big show and I don't buy that shit.

[Kermit]

they will say that cause your on a board full of horns homers, i bet tebow never tryes to kill himself after a bad game, also vy1-2 agains the sooner tebow 1-0

Chooooooooooooookelahoma, where Nic Harris takes it up the bum...

[Shastafarian]

Hold the fucking phone! First, Tebow really only has 1 championship to himself, he was just another runningback his first year (Chris Leak).Incorrect.

Second, I don't remember Vince Young giving up TWO picks in the biggest game or even letting us down by not getting a first down when we needed it like Tebow did (Ole Miss?). I don't understand how that matters. Tebow won the "big" game. And if you're claiming Vince Young always got first downs and never lost a game, well then maybe I should just stop trying.

Third, everyone knows Vince Young should have won the heisman especially since Reggie Bush wasn't even the best player on his sidelines that game (Lendale White).Oh...you're one of those

And finally, VY never needed to run around on the sidelines pumping his fists and screaming like he's some junior high player to get his team "pumped up". It's all a big show and I don't buy that shit.
...

[Holmes_Fans]

Incorrect.

Uhm, actually correct. Tebow was 1/1 for 1 yard and 1 TD passing
10-39-1 rushing, a long of 10

People forget that Christ Leak was 25/36 passing for 213 yards and a TD.



I don't understand how that matters. Tebow won the "big" game. And if you're claiming Vince Young always got first downs and never lost a game, well then maybe I should just stop trying.
Vince young lost 2 games as a starter, Tebow has lost 5 already



Oh...you're one of those
2005 Heisman finalist
Reggie Bush
Matt Leinart
Vince Young

2007 Heisman finalist
Tim Tebow
Colt Brennan
Darren McFadden
Chase Daniel


Reggie, Matt and Young could have all won the heisman the past 2 seasons.

[pkbpkb81]

texass, where vince (i wanna kill myself) young gives it to kermit up the bum...

:lmao:blah:rollin:lmao:lmao

[pkbpkb81]

Vince young lost 2 games as a starter, Tebow has lost 5 already

.

REALLY WHO DID HE LOSE TO.



BOOMER SOONER

[Shastafarian]

Uhm, actually correct. Tebow was 1/1 for 1 yard and 1 TD passing
10-39-1 rushing, a long of 10

People forget that Christ Leak was 25/36 passing for 213 yards and a TD.Re-read what I replied to. He was not just another RB during the season.




Vince young lost 2 games as a starterSo you concede the point. Thanks.



2005 Heisman finalist
Reggie Bush
Matt Leinart
Vince Young

2007 Heisman finalist
Tim Tebow
Colt Brennan
Darren McFadden
Chase Daniel


Reggie, Matt and Young could have all won the heisman the past 2 seasons.
Are you seriously saying Tebow's 3286 passing yards, 32 passing TDs, 895 rushing yards, and 23 rushing TDs last year wouldn't have beat out VY if it was put up against Young's heisman contending season?

3286 yards vs. 3036 yards
32 passing TDs vs. 26 passing TDs
895 rushing yards vs. 1050 rushing yards
23 rushing TDs vs. 12 rushing TDs
6 INT vs. 10 INT

Young had 4 more INTs in 22 less pass attempts.
He almost doubled VY's rushing TDs.
The only category where young has him beat is rushing yards.

[pkbpkb81]

Re-read what I replied to. He was not just another RB during the season.



So you concede the point. Thanks.



Are you seriously saying Tebow's 3286 passing yards, 32 passing TDs, 895 rushing yards, and 23 rushing TDs last year wouldn't have beat out VY if it was put up against Young's heisman contending season?

3286 yards vs. 3036 yards
32 passing TDs vs. 26 passing TDs
895 rushing yards vs. 1050 rushing yards
23 rushing TDs vs. 12 rushing TDs
6 INT vs. 10 INT

Young had 4 more INTs in 22 less pass attempts.
He almost doubled VY's rushing TDs.
The only category where young has him beat is rushing yards.

lets look at it this way tebow is 6-1 or 5-2 agains there biggest rivals(fla st., ga, and tenn) vy had a loseing recored agains ou how is your biggest rival i hate tebow but he is the better collage player.

[Shastafarian]

lets look at it this way tebow is 6-1 or 5-2 agains there biggest rivals(fla st., ga, and tenn) vy had a loseing recored agains ou how is your biggest rival i hate tebow but he is the better collage player.

Let's even say Tebow isn't far and away better. It's so damn ridiculous to say VY is far and away better.

[stretch]

Are you seriously saying Tebow's 3286 passing yards, 32 passing TDs, 895 rushing yards, and 23 rushing TDs last year wouldn't have beat out VY if it was put up against Young's heisman contending season?

3286 yards vs. 3036 yards
32 passing TDs vs. 26 passing TDs
895 rushing yards vs. 1050 rushing yards
23 rushing TDs vs. 12 rushing TDs
6 INT vs. 10 INT

Young had 4 more INTs in 22 less pass attempts.
He almost doubled VY's rushing TDs.
The only category where young has him beat is rushing yards.

And wins. They were undefeated with a fairly tough schedule, unlike the cakewalk that Florida had this year, yet still lost to fucking ole miss.

[Holmes_Fans]

Are you seriously saying Tebow's 3286 passing yards, 32 passing TDs, 895 rushing yards, and 23 rushing TDs last year wouldn't have beat out VY if it was put up against Young's heisman contending season?

Uhm yes. You can't just look at stats. Tebow was the only one getting the ball down by the goal line, so of course he got all the TDs. VY had long runs in clutch situations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMEr3eVdIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91cuqTv1TI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f9k8ebErU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28GAMybBj-s
Thread over

[stretch]

lets look at it this way tebow is 6-1 or 5-2 agains there biggest rivals(fla st., ga, and tenn) vy had a loseing recored agains ou how is your biggest rival i hate tebow but he is the better collage player.

you're a fucking dumbass. thats what an oklahoma education will do to ya.

[Shastafarian]

And wins. They were undefeated with a fairly tough schedule, unlike the cakewalk that Florida had this year, yet still lost to fucking ole miss.

Besides the title game itself, what game(s) were against difficult opponents in 2005? And take a look at Florida's schedule from last year.

[Holmes_Fans]

they will say that cause your on a board full of horns homers, i bet tebow never tryes to kill himself after a bad game, also vy1-2 agains the sooner tebow 1-0

Vince Young didn't even start the '03 OU game. Chance Mock did. He was 1-1 vs. Oklahoma dipshit

[Shastafarian]

Uhm yes. You can't just look at stats. Tebow was the only one getting the ball down by the goal line, so of course he got all the TDs. VY had long runs in clutch situations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMEr3eVdIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91cuqTv1TI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f9k8ebErU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28GAMybBj-s
Thread over

haha I forgot QBs are supposed to get the ball in goal line situations and score 23 TIMES. How do you account for the 6 less passing touchdowns and 250 fewer passing yards in a conference where defense is actually played? You think because you post a few highlights that means, "Oh this guy I'm jizzing my pants over must be the best if I can find some random highlights."

[Shastafarian]

ekE4NkJLX6w

I'd like to see Vince Young try to do that and not wind up crying on the sidelines.

[Holmes_Fans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM

Ya, I saw so much awesome defense. Must be really good to fall or a jab step and leave a WR streaking down field wide open.

I stopped 3 minutes in and only saw 1 rushing TD outside of 15 yards. An old lady could have ran half of those runs in. If you are going to nut yourself over stats it's relevant.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsditoWmwNM

Ya, I saw so much awesome defense. Must be really good to fall or a jab step and leave a WR streaking down field wide open.

I stopped 3 minutes in and only saw 1 rushing TD outside of 15 yards. An old lady could have ran half of those runs in.

Gee I wonder what Vince Young's TDs look like. Go to the 4:30 mark.

[Holmes_Fans]

I'd like to see Vince Young try to do that and not wind up crying on the sidelines.
He wouldn't have needed to run him over, he would of just juked to the right and continued on for a lot more yards. As seen multiple times in the Rose Bowl highlight video.

[CubanSucks]

ekE4NkJLX6w

I'd like to see Vince Young try to do that and not wind up crying on the sidelines.

:lmao:lmao:lmao
Wow, it's like talking to a child with a short memory. Again, Vince Young wouldn't truck someone to get about 2 extra yards but rather avoid the defender all together to get about 20 extra yards. All I saw in that video was a potential injury that could have been avoided with some athleticism.

[CubanSucks]

Besides the title game itself, what game(s) were against difficult opponents in 2005? And take a look at Florida's schedule from last year.

OSU in the Horseshoe?

[Shastafarian]

:lmao:lmao:lmao
Wow, it's like talking to a child with a short memory. Again, Vince Young wouldn't truck someone to get about 2 extra yards but rather avoid the defender all together to get about 20 extra yards. All I saw in that video was a potential injury that could have been avoided with some athleticism.

Well I agree he would avoid contact at all costs. But I fail to see how he could've dodged contact when his feet were held and the defender was directly in front of him. Maybe I should start wearing some burnt orange colored glasses.

[Shastafarian]

OSU in the Horseshoe?

haha funny. Claiming a game against a big ten team is difficult.

[CubanSucks]

haha funny. Claiming a game against a big ten team is difficult.

Fiesta Bowl champs. Troy Smith. In the Horseshoe.

[Shastafarian]

Fiesta Bowl champs. Troy Smith. In the Horseshoe.

Oh no not Troy Smith!!!!!!

[CubanSucks]

Well I agree he would avoid contact at all costs. But I fail to see how he could've dodged contact when his feet were held and the defender was directly in front of him. Maybe I should start wearing some burnt orange colored glasses.

Then I guess you haven't seen his highlights. He never had a defender hanging on to his feet, NEVER.

[pkbpkb81]

you're a fucking dumbass. thats what an oklahoma education will do to ya.

instead of acting like a bitch why dont you point out what you disagreed with.
you cant becuse it is fact, all your doing is make your self look foolish

[CubanSucks]

And here is another argument. Considering the amount of punishment they would give guys like Javorski Lane and Stephen McGee, I'd like to see tebow try to truck ANYONE on that 2005 Texas defense. And yes I'm even talking about the secondary with Aaron Ross, Michael Griffin, Michael Huff, and Tarell Brown. I guarentee you he'd start to think twice about lowering his shoulders

[pkbpkb81]

Vince Young didn't even start the '03 OU game. Chance Mock did. He was 1-1 vs. Oklahoma dipshit

i was at that game and vy played way more than good ol chance mock did but thats fine in the 3 years vince (i wanna kill myself cause i cant beat out a drunk for a starting qb job young) was at texas his team was 1-2 agains ou. by the best part of the 03 game was vy fumbleing on the 1 yard line and takeing points away from his team.

[CubanSucks]

instead of acting like a bitch why dont you point out what you disagreed with.
you cant becuse it is fact, all your doing is make your self look foolish

No, you're a dumbass because he was really 1-1 against OU and lost to the team that went to the championship game.

[CubanSucks]

i was at that game and vy played way more than good ol chance mock did but thats fine in the 3 years vince (i wanna kill myself cause i cant beat out a drunk for a starting qb job young) was at texas his team was 1-2 agains ou. by the best part of the 03 game was vy fumbleing on the 1 yard line and takeing points away from his team.

OK but he didn't have the luxury of a real starting qb like tebow had chris leak so comparing the freshman years is totally unfair

[Shastafarian]

OK but he didn't have the luxury of a real starting qb like tebow had chris leak so comparing the freshman years is totally unfair

:lol

"Waaaah! Stop making good points or I'm telling!"

[Holmes_Fans]

Each players stats in bowl games as a full time starter.


Vince Young

46/68 68% 447 yards 1 TD 1 INT
40 rushes for 392 yards(9.8 avg), 7 touchdowns, long of 60 in 04 and long of 45 in 05
VY 2-0, beat Michigan who was 9-2, also beat 12-0 and the "greatest team of all time" who was on a 34 game win streak playing at home in Cali.
839 total yards, 8 touchdowns


Tim Tebow

35/63 55% 385 yards, 5 TD 2 INT
38 rushes 166 yards(4.3 avg), 1 touchdown, longs of only 19 and 15
Tim Tebow LOST to the Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State(on the way to a 9-4 season) and then beat a 12-1 OU team whose spot in the game was debatable and was on a 7 game win streak.
551 yards, 6 touchdowns.

[pkbpkb81]

OK but he didn't have the luxury of a real starting qb like tebow had chris leak so comparing the freshman years is totally unfair

botht qb's for texas sucked that day and mock was benched after the first drive of the game

[CubanSucks]

Each players stats in bowl games as a full time starter.


Vince Young

46/68 68% 447 yards 1 TD 1 INT
40 rushes for 392 yards(9.8 avg), 7 touchdowns, long of 60 in 04 and long of 45 in 05
VY 2-0, beat Michigan who was 9-2, also beat 12-0 and the "greatest team of all time" who was on a 34 game win streak playing at home in Cali.
839 total yards, 8 touchdowns


Tim Tebow

35/63 55% 385 yards, 5 TD 2 INT
38 rushes 166 yards(4.3 avg), 1 touchdown, longs of only 19 and 15
Tim Tebow LOST to the Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State(on the way to a 9-4 season) and then beat a 12-1 OU team whose spot in the game was debatable and was on a 7 game win streak.
551 yards, 6 touchdowns.

My point exactly. Vy was a playmaker during the most clutch times. And before you start referencing his pro career which hasn't even been that bad for a rookie, and all of his "mental problems" which have been blown WAY out of proportion, there's no way you can deny that given the choice of VY or tebow from their junior season's, any sensible coach would pick VY to lead his team.

[CubanSucks]

botht qb's for texas sucked that day and mock was benched after the first drive of the game

And because florida had chris leak, tebow was never thrust into the starting spot against there biggest rival who played in the national championship as a freshman like VY was

[Shastafarian]

My point exactly. Vy was a playmaker during the most clutch times. And before you start referencing his pro career which hasn't even been that bad for a rookie, and all of his "mental problems" which have been blown WAY out of proportion, there's no way you can deny that given the choice of VY or tebow from their junior season's, any sensible coach would pick VY to lead his team.

He's not a rookie. He got benched for an over-the-hill QB with a history of drinking problems. You're either 1) very dumb to think a coach would not have a tough decision in VY versus Tim Tebow or 2) you're doing this to rile people up. I sincerely hope it's the latter.

[Kermit]

He's not a rookie. He got benched for an over-the-hill QB with a history of drinking problems. You're either 1) very dumb to think a coach would not have a tough decision in VY versus Tim Tebow or 2) you're doing this to rile people up. I sincerely hope it's the latter.

WTF? Chance Mock was a drunk and old? And to add something to the argument, I think the Tebow supporters are forgetting his most valuable asset, the ability to circumcise young boys. The OU retard and Shasta have to be getting a stiffy over that one. Praise Tebow!!!

[doobs]

Tim Tebow is a gimmick QB in a gimmick offense. (His most notable predecessor under Meyer is Alex Smith.) Why is Tebow returning to Florida next season? Maybe it's because of his slow, slow, slow release and his inability to properly read defenses. Maybe it's because he'd be a second round pick this year, and wants to improve his status. Maybe it's because he knows he'll get clobbered by NFL defenses, and injured severely, if he doesn't improve his overall game.

Vince Young, on the other hand, is a stud. He's mobile, he has a quick release, and he's hugely clutch. His biggest weakness has been his mental anguish this year over God-knows-what. (I would gladly trade places with him.) But since leaving college, he's been drafted in the first round, gone to the Pro Bowl, led his team to the playoffs, and won the offensive rookie of the year. He'll be back next season.

I'm fairly confident that, five years from now, Vince Young will have a Super Bowl ring, a Super Bowl MVP, and several Pro Bowl appearances. Tim Tebow will be riding the pine for the Eagles, or something.

[Kermit]

I'm fairly confident that, five years from now, Vince Young will have a Super Bowl ring, a Super Bowl MVP, and several Pro Bowl appearances. Tim Tebow will be riding the pine for the Eagles, or something.

Seriously? I love VY, but seriously? Seriously?


Seriously?


I think my head is about to explode.

[Shastafarian]

WTF? Chance Mock was a drunk and old? And to add something to the argument, I think the Tebow supporters are forgetting his most valuable asset, the ability to circumcise young boys. The OU retard and Shasta have to be getting a stiffy over that one. Praise Tebow!!!

Wow you're dumb. Go back and re-read.

[Shastafarian]

Tim Tebow is a gimmick QB in a gimmick offense. (His most notable predecessor under Meyer is Alex Smith.) Why is Tebow returning to Florida next season? Maybe it's because of his slow, slow, slow release and his inability to properly read defenses. Maybe it's because he'd be a second round pick this year, and wants to improve his status. Maybe it's because he knows he'll get clobbered by NFL defenses, and injured severely, if he doesn't improve his overall game.

Vince Young, on the other hand, is a stud. He's mobile, he has a quick release, and he's hugely clutch. His biggest weakness has been his mental anguish this year over God-knows-what. (I would gladly trade places with him.) But since leaving college, he's been drafted in the first round, gone to the Pro Bowl, led his team to the playoffs, and won the offensive rookie of the year. He'll be back next season.

I'm fairly confident that, five years from now, Vince Young will have a Super Bowl ring, a Super Bowl MVP, and several Pro Bowl appearances. Tim Tebow will be riding the pine for the Eagles, or something.

:rollin:rollin:rollin

thanks man I needed a good laugh

[Kermit]

Wow you're dumb. Go back and re-read.


No thank you. Stupid Tebow > VY posts only require one reading and a good laugh.

[Holmes_Fans]

Ok I'm not going to go as far and say VY will win a super bowl, I'm not that ignorant, but this is about college anyways


He's not a rookie. He got benched for an over-the-hill QB with a history of drinking problems. You're either 1) very dumb to think a coach would not have a tough decision in VY versus Tim Tebow or 2) you're doing this to rile people up. I sincerely hope it's the latter.

VY is just the leader that Tebow is. They are both very vocal and throw their arms up on the sideline. Did you see how loose Vince was before the biggest game of his career? No coach is going to take a 4 yard FB dive play over the ability to break a 60 yard run at any moment.

[Shastafarian]

No thank you. Stupid Tebow > VY posts only require one reading and a good laugh.

Tebow must be laughing with his 2 titles and heisman.

[Blake]

I'm fairly confident that, five years from now, Vince Young will have a Super Bowl ring, a Super Bowl MVP, and several Pro Bowl appearances. Tim Tebow will be riding the pine for the Eagles, or something.

you gotta be kidding.

[doobs]

Seriously? I love VY, but seriously? Seriously?


Seriously?


I think my head is about to explode.

I may be wrong about Tebow, but I definitely believe Vince Young will win a Super Bowl, be a Super Bowl MVP, and go to several Pro Bowls. The Titans are a really good team. Vince Young, when healthy, is a much better quarterback than Kerry Collins.

If the Titans win the Super Bowl sometime in the next five years, you can pretty much expect that Vince Young will get the MVP. It's really not that far-fetched--heck, Eli Manning has won a Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP award.

And I think Tebow will be pretty mediocre-to-bad as an NFL quarterback. Maybe he'll start for a shitty team, but I think he'll be spending most of his time fishing and performing circumcisions.

[Holmes_Fans]

I love how Shastafarian doesn't even respond to the stats in each players 2 biggest game they have played so far :lol

[Shastafarian]

Each players stats in bowl games as a full time starter.


Vince Young

46/68 68% 447 yards 1 TD 1 INT
40 rushes for 392 yards(9.8 avg), 7 touchdowns, long of 60 in 04 and long of 45 in 05
VY 2-0, beat Michigan who was 9-2, also beat 12-0 and the "greatest team of all time" who was on a 34 game win streak playing at home in Cali.
839 total yards, 8 touchdownsThe win against USC was impressive. Against a shitty big ten team? No. Wonderful TD/INT ratio he has there.



Tim Tebow

35/63 55% 385 yards, 5 TD 2 INT
38 rushes 166 yards(4.3 avg), 1 touchdown, longs of only 19 and 15
Tim Tebow LOST to the Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State(on the way to a 9-4 season) and then beat a 12-1 OU team whose spot in the game was debatable and was on a 7 game win streak.
551 yards, 6 touchdowns.What if you include when these guys weren't full time starters? Then what do the numbers look like? Also, what team should've been in the title game over OU? I'm guessing you're going to say Texas. That's the point where I laugh and point out Texas could barely get by Ohio State.

[Blake]

If the Titans win the Super Bowl sometime in the next five years, you can pretty much expect that Vince Young will get the MVP. It's really not that far-fetched--heck, Eli Manning has won a Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP award.


Vince has to win a starting job first.

[Holmes_Fans]

The win against USC was impressive. Against a shitty big ten team? No. Wonderful TD/INT ratio he has there.


Uhm, Texas played a shitty Michigan team that was 9-2 going into the game with losses to D1 teams. UF lost to a shitty Michigan team that was 8-4 going into the game with a loss to APPALACHIAN STATE, and they lost :lol:lol:lol

[Shastafarian]

Uhm, Texas played a shitty Michigan team that was 9-2 going into the game with losses to D1 teams. UF lost to a shitty Michigan team that was 8-4 going into the game with a loss to APPALACHIAN STATE, and they lost :lol:lol:lol

It was also Lloyd Carr's last game as head coach. If you think Michigan wasn't ready to beat anyone in that game then you're sorely mistaken. When you look at the actual game it was Florida's defense that lost it. Tebow was 17/33 for 154 yards and 3 touchdowns + 57 yards and 1 rushing touchdown. Harvin had 165 rushing yards and 1 touchdown. Florida's defense let the team down.

[Kermit]

Tebow must be laughing with his 2 titles and heisman.

Don't forget the necklace of foreskins.

Bless us Tebow!!!

[Holmes_Fans]

It was also Lloyd Carr's last game as head coach. If you think Michigan wasn't ready to beat anyone in that game then you're sorely mistaken. When you look at the actual game it was Florida's defense that lost it. Tebow was 17/33 for 154 yards and 3 touchdowns + 57 yards and 1 rushing touchdown. Harvin had 165 rushing yards and 1 touchdown. Florida's defense let the team down.

Ok. If you wanna go that route. The defense lost them that game.

But they won the game against OU stopping them inside the red zone TWICE

[dirk4mvp]

I'm fairly confident that, five years from now, Vince Young will have a Super Bowl ring, a Super Bowl MVP, and several Pro Bowl appearances. Tim Tebow will be riding the pine for the Eagles, or something.

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What the fuck? You fucking retarded faggot. What has convinced you of this stupid ass assumption?

[Kermit]

http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/3.jpg

[CubanSucks]

He's not a rookie. He got benched for an over-the-hill QB with a history of drinking problems. You're either 1) very dumb to think a coach would not have a tough decision in VY versus Tim Tebow or 2) you're doing this to rile people up. I sincerely hope it's the latter.

:rollin You don't watch the NFL much do you? Kerry Collins may be over the hill in age but judging from this season his ability was far from it. And I was talking about his rookie season because that is where a lot of the criticism comes from for no good reason.

[CubanSucks]

The win against USC was impressive. Against a shitty big ten team? No. Wonderful TD/INT ratio he has there.


What if you include when these guys weren't full time starters? Then what do the numbers look like? Also, what team should've been in the title game over OU? I'm guessing you're going to say Texas. That's the point where I laugh and point out Texas could barely get by Ohio State.

THAT'S NOT EVEN A FAIR COMPARISON!!! Again, Tebow had chris leak playing in front of him his freshman year and if you're saying that having an all american playing in front of you doesn't take a HUGE load of pressure off of you then you're too naive to be arguing on this thread. VY was thrown into the fire his freshman year.

[Shastafarian]

THAT'S NOT EVEN A FAIR COMPARISON!!! Again, Tebow had chris leak playing in front of him his freshman year and if you're saying that having an all american playing in front of you doesn't take a HUGE load of pressure off of you then you're too naive to be arguing on this thread. VY was thrown into the fire his freshman year.

"Waaaaaaaah" is all I hear while reading this.

[CubanSucks]

"Waaaaaaaah" is all I hear while reading this.

great argument:wakeup

[CubanSucks]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9068356/Florida's-Tebow-has-shoulder-surgery

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And he hasn't even gone pro yet! I can only imagine how his body is gonna hold up after his first season in the pros.

[Holmes_Fans]

I heard he performed the surgery himself.

[Holmes_Fans]

--------Comp Att Yards TDs Int -- Att Yds Avg TD
Young 84 143 1,155 6 7 -- 135 998 7.4 11

Tebow 22 33 358 5 1 -- 89 29 5.3 469 8


VY had a shitty TD/INT ratio, but he was THE passer and didn't have a QB throwing for 2950 yards in front of him either. Even as the starting full back Tebow didn't have more rushing touchdowns.

[johngateswhiteley]

they are both great college players. and both, gimmick quarterbacks.

[Shastafarian]

they are both great college players. and both, gimmick quarterbacks.

Bingo.

[Holmes_Fans]

they are both great college players. and both, gimmick quarterbacks.

Doesn't change the fact that
Young > Leinart
Tebow > Leinart

[IronMexican]

Doesn't change the fact that
Young > Leinart
Tebow > Leinart

Neither of the three will amount to shit in the NFL anyways. And you have the weakest takes in the college section out of the whole forum.

[CubanSucks]

they are both great college players. and both, gimmick quarterbacks.

:lol It's ok. Your team wasn't the only team that couldn't stop the original college superman.

[Holmes_Fans]

Neither of the three will amount to shit in the NFL anyways. And you have the weakest takes in the college section out of the whole forum.
Who gives a shit about their careers in the nfl? This is about what they did in college.

[johngateswhiteley]

Who gives a shit about their careers in the nfl? This is about what they did in college.

thats funny, cause Leinart had a better college career than vyoung. and as for the Pros?...we know vyoung sucks, we know much less about Matt.

[Shastafarian]

Who gives a shit about their careers in the nfl? This is about what they did in college.

So what would you base your rankings on?

[IronMexican]

They are based on how UT homers want them to be based on.

[dirk4mvp]

thats funny, cause Leinart had a better college career than vyoung. and as for the Pros?...we know vyoung sucks, we know much less about Matt.


Both of them suck due to holding a clipboard for two old guys.

[Holmes_Fans]

thats funny, cause Leinart had a better college career than vyoung. and as for the Pros?...we know vyoung sucks, we know much less about Matt.
Eh not really. VY didn't have another heisman runner running the ball and forcing defenses in. They both have 1 championship. VY will be in everyones list of top 10 greatest players ever while Leinart is not even mentioned.


So what would you base your rankings on?
How about all the stats I have posted. You have yet to show any backing on why Tebow is better.

You yet again conveniently miss my post with their freshman stats. The stats where VY rushes for more yards and touchdowns than Tebow.

[Shastafarian]

--------Comp Att Yards TDs Int -- Att Yds Avg TD
Young 84 143 1,155 6 7 -- 135 998 7.4 11

Tebow 22 33 358 5 1 -- 89 29 5.3 469 8


VY had a shitty TD/INT ratio, but he was THE passer and didn't have a QB throwing for 2950 yards in front of him either. Even as the starting full back Tebow didn't have more rushing touchdowns.

So why were these left out from the first post?

[Shastafarian]

How about all the stats I have posted. You have yet to show any backing on why Tebow is better.

You yet again conveniently miss my post with their freshman stats. The stats where VY rushes for more yards and touchdowns than Tebow.

Yet you ignore Tebow's stats that are superior to Young's.

[CubanSucks]

Yet you ignore Tebow's stats that are superior to Young's.

:rolleyes
I really hope you're joking. If not then go back a couple pages and look at the stats posted.

[Shastafarian]

:rolleyes
I really hope you're joking. If not then go back a couple pages and look at the stats posted.

Like Tebow having more passing touchdowns and yards than Young?

[CubanSucks]

thats funny, cause Leinart had a better college career than vyoung. and as for the Pros?...we know vyoung sucks, we know much less about Matt.

Who the fuck invited you you fucking usc faggot? Leinart isn't even in the same discussion. We know VY sucked in the pros? Really? Last I remember he got rookie of the year and is now replaced by a veteran who has done great. Jeff Fischer has even said he's gonna be their qb for the future.

[Shastafarian]

Who the fuck invited you you fucking usc faggot? Leinart isn't even in the same discussion. We know VY sucked in the pros? Really? Last I remember he got rookie of the year and is now replaced by a veteran who has done great. Jeff Fischer has even said he's gonna be their qb for the future.

Not sure I'd call 12 TDs, 7 INTs, a QB rating of 80.2, and a prompt exit from the playoffs once his star RB went down "great".

[johngateswhiteley]

Who the fuck invited you you fucking usc faggot? Leinart isn't even in the same discussion. We know VY sucked in the pros? Really? Last I remember he got rookie of the year and is now replaced by a veteran who has done great. Jeff Fischer has even said he's gonna be their qb for the future.

have you ever heard of Kurt Warner?

[johngateswhiteley]

Eh not really. VY didn't have another heisman runner running the ball and forcing defenses in. They both have 1 championship. VY will be in everyones list of top 10 greatest players ever while Leinart is not even mentioned.

hmm, i'm confused. Leinart has 2 titles (you can ignore it all you want, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen) to vyoung's 1. Leinart has a heisman...vyoung doesn't. i would also argue Leinart had better stats.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

We know VY sucked in the pros? Really?

Yes, really.

Still time for him, but he's looked like dogshit as a passer in the NFL thus far.

[samikeyp]

thats funny, cause Leinart had a better college career than vyoung. and as for the Pros?...we know vyoung sucks, we know much less about Matt.

No, we know that so far Leinart sucks in the pros too. That could change, as it could for VY but as of right now, they both have pretty shitty pro careers.

Now, back to the thread....

If Tebow and the Gators win it next year, the edge would go to Tebow. I don't care for the guy too much but he is talented. I think he will make a decent pro but I am not convinced yet that he will have a good or great pro career.

[Holmes_Fans]

So why were these left out from the first post?
What first post? I never posted season stats. I posted bowl games stats with each player as the full year starter.


Vince Young

46/68 68% 447 yards 1 TD 1 INT
40 rushes for 392 yards(9.8 avg), 7 touchdowns, long of 60 in 04 and long of 45 in 05
VY 2-0, beat Michigan who was 9-2, also beat 12-0 and the "greatest team of all time" who was on a 34 game win streak playing at home in Cali.
839 total yards, 8 touchdowns


Tim Tebow

35/63 55% 385 yards, 5 TD 2 INT
38 rushes 166 yards(4.3 avg), 1 touchdown, longs of only 19 and 15
Tim Tebow LOST to the Michigan team that lost to Appalachian State(on the way to a 9-4 season)
551 yards, 6 touchdowns.


Like Tebow having more passing touchdowns and yards than Young?
Tebow never lead the nation in passing efficiency.

[johngateswhiteley]

No, we know that so far Leinart sucks in the pros too. That could change, as it could for VY but as of right now, they both have pretty shitty pro careers.

outside of setting the rookie record in passing yards for a game, Leinart hasn't been that great. but to say he has sucked in the pros is premature. he was injured, had a very good QB behind him (whom is playing at a very high level at the moment), and hasn't even played one year as a starting QB. why is that so hard to understand?

the situation is much less clear for Leinart than young.

[samikeyp]

outside of setting the rookie record in passing yards for a game, Leinart hasn't been that great. but to say he has sucked in the pros is premature. he was injured, had a very good QB behind him (whom is playing at a very high level at the moment), and hasn't even played one year as a starting QB. why is that so hard to understand?

the situation is much less clear for Leinart than young.

I understood what you said perfectly, I just don't agree with you. I wasn't saying who had the worse career, I was saying that they both are not have a good career but as I also said, that can change and yes, it is way too early to say for sure but I didn't.

It doesn't matter really because Leinart v. Young is irrelevant in a Tebow v. Young thread.

[johngateswhiteley]

It doesn't matter really because Leinart v. Young is irrelevant in a Tebow v. Young thread.

true. tell that to the t-sips who brought it up.

remember this, Leinart will have a much better pro career than young. watch.

[samikeyp]

true. tell that to the t-sips who brought it up.

I was telling that to everyone.

[Holmes_Fans]

That's the point where I laugh and point out Texas could barely get by Ohio State.
So that makes OU look SOOO much better, the fact that they lost to a team who barely got my OSU....