Notice a trend about Parker through the season...

[magui86770]

1. Can't make his tear drop anymore.

2. His defense has taken a step back from the last few years.

Is he tiring out more? Could it be anything else?

[xtremesteven33]

ur a moron.

arrgggh.....somebody ban this guy.

[mexicanjunior]

His tear drop has been pretty reliable this year. His defense has been about the same, I think our help defense has taken a step back and not cleaned up as many penetrations by his man...

[ClingingMars]

ur a moron.

arrgggh.....somebody ban this guy.

[PURO SAN ANTO 210!]

Maybe To Much Eva At Night!!!!!!!!!

[td4mvp21]

Not one fucking thing should be said about Parker. Not one fucking thing. He carried us.

[SpursIndonesia]

Without Parker tonite, we would be demolished and become a laughing stock for the day. Parker haters are simply unreal, taking the forum IQ down each passing day, IDIOTS !!

[Manufan909]

ur a moron.

arrgggh.....somebody ban this guy.

QFT

[magui86770]

mexican...that's a thought hadn't though of concerning his defense. However, I disagree with the tear drop reliability. Others have mention the same thing to me.

[magui86770]

And his defense was brought as well on game time reaction on woai and Pop was on case about his defense a number of times at the game. Not disagreeing his offense carried the game.

[gilmor]

And his defense was brought as well on game time reaction on woai and Pop was on case about his defense a number of times at the game. Not disagreeing his offense carried the game.

What's your comments about other players? Like Tim, Manu, Bonner, Mason, etc

[magui86770]

Mason should have gotten more touches. After that clutch 3 he made in the 4th qtr I believe, they should have look for him more.

Timmy look great in the first qtr(10 points in the first) but they went away from him for 2 qtrs until the 4th. Could have gotten Howard in foul trouble.

Manu look uneven.

Think refs got into their heads.

Parker was clutch in shooting the outside shot. maybe legs fail him on the last 2 layups. both were short.

[Yorae]

There's also a trend going down here on ST.

[Slydragon]

1. Can't make his tear drop anymore.

2. His defense has taken a step back from the last few years.

Is he tiring out more? Could it be anything else?

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[lefty]

Do you think that weird missed layup will be featured in NBA 2k10 as a one of TP's signature moves?

[Ice009]

Mason should have gotten more touches. After that clutch 3 he made in the 4th qtr I believe, they should have look for him more.

Timmy look great in the first qtr(10 points in the first) but they went away from him for 2 qtrs until the 4th. Could have gotten Howard in foul trouble.

Manu look uneven.

Think refs got into their heads.

Parker was clutch in shooting the outside shot. maybe legs fail him on the last 2 layups. both were short.

Same thing happened in the last Milwaukee game. Mason hit big shots and made plays then they froze him out.

Like I said earlier tonight you won't see Sjax take 4 shots in a big game like this so either Mason has to look for his shot more himself or Pop has to get him the ball more and set up some more opportunities for him.

[leemajors]

Not one fucking thing should be said about Parker. Not one fucking thing. He carried us.

he played very shitty defense, especially on nelson. he went for every pump/head fake on nelson. dude just seems to have tp's number. he could not miss in the first three quarters though.

[m33p0]

parker does have a tendency to "forget" his teammates during stretches of a game, especially tim.

[Kori Ellis]

he played very shitty defense, especially on nelson. he went for every pump/head fake on nelson. dude just seems to have tp's number. he could not miss in the first three quarters though.

You realize that Nelson shot 7-18 and two of his baskets weren't on Tony. But yeah, he's got Tony's number :spin

[Kori Ellis]

parker does have a tendency to "forget" his teammates during stretches of a game, especially tim.

Tim got almost all his baskets from passes from Tony.

[Kori Ellis]

Tonight Tony could barely catch his breath by the 4th quarter, so yeah, he was tired. But his two baskets that he missed late, were just unfortunate misses.

If we want to start finding some fault in this game, let's start with Spurs 3-point shooting vs Magic 3-point shooting.

[Ice009]

Tonight Tony could barely catch his breath by the 4th quarter, so yeah, he was tired. But his two baskets that he missed late, were just unfortunate misses.

If we want to start finding some fault in this game, let's start with Spurs 3-point shooting vs Magic 3-point shooting.

So why isn't Mason getting the ball when he's our best shooter. You want to explain that one to me? Why is Tony taking 3s instead of Mason?

Why did Finley play the end of the 4th when he made as many mistakes as Mason? Mason got dragged for that Reddick three, but Fin didn't do much more to get those last few minutes ahead of Mason. Why couldn't Mason get a chance to redeem himself like Manu? What is Pop on?

[Brazil]

Without TP on this game the loss would have been a blow out

[Ice009]

Without TP on this game the loss would have been a blow out

True. TP was awesome up until the 4th quarter. Maybe he was tired I don't know, but the fact is he didn't have a very good 4th quarter. No one did though.

[Kori Ellis]

So why isn't Mason getting the ball when he's our best shooter. You want to explain that one to me? Why is Tony taking 3s instead of Mason?

I don't think Tony was taking 3's "instead" of Mason. Tony took two 3's. He made one and the other one was a broken play that he had to take.

Finley/Manu/Bonner were 1-for-9 on 3's. Some of them were open misses, but some weren't. Give some credit to Orlando's perimeter defense.

[mrspurs]

His tear drop has been pretty reliable this year. His defense has been about the same, I think our help defense has taken a step back and not cleaned up as many penetrations by his man...

Pretty sure this started last season. The ole, "that was your man not mine" scenario. Yes, even our Spurs have been doing it for awhile. And the Magic went all Spurs on us as well. They found a launch pad from the arc and lit it up. I seen alot of 3s being launched. Quite a few go in as well. Its official, since Superman beat Timmy on Timmys court. Superman is now the Man. 24 points,14 rebounds vs 18 points, 10 rebounds. TP did everything he could to help put his team on top. The Magic are not push overs anymore. Cant believe it but right now. Even Hedo looks better then Matt. If its true what Timmy says about the Spurs going with this roster for the remainder of the season. Thank God we dont play the Magic much.:wow

[Spurs Brazil]

Without TP on this game the loss would have been a blow out

Agree

TP keep us in the game in the 3rd

[George Gervin's Afro]

1. Can't make his tear drop anymore.

2. His defense has taken a step back from the last few years.

Is he tiring out more? Could it be anything else?

how dare you criticize the great one.

[1Parker1]

I predict Parker and Ginobili will have big games Wednesday against LA.

[WalterBenitez]

1. Can't make his tear drop anymore.

2. His defense has taken a step back from the last few years.

Is he tiring out more? Could it be anything else?

Hmmmmm :(

1. Tear drop probably is defended better, you know the french is very well known.

2. Defense, ah I do agree, he whispers rather than move his feet.

3. His scoring + assists are pretty good

[m33p0]

his assists are up but he still fails at:
1) reading which of teammates needs to have constant touches (Mason);
2) reading who is about to get hot (Manu & Mase);
3) getting tim the ball, especially at creating easy opportunities for tim.
he's capable at doing these things. i hope he works on them.

i know he's a shoot-first point guard. but he seems to forget that he has very capable, nay, great teammates who are just as good at getting points.

i don't care a lot about his defense at this stage of the season. if he's still lackluster at that end come march and april, then i'll be pissed.

[spursfan09]

Do you think that weird missed layup will be featured in NBA 2k10 as a one of TP's signature moves?

ok that was funny when i read it in another thread for the first time. I didn't know you were just saying that to hate on him. Wow.

[Bruno]

I notice a trend about Parker's hater.


They are still a bunch of stupid dumbasses.
Fuck you, you don't deserve to be Spurs fans. :td

[kace]

this forum is great. more than great. so are its owners.

but they are letting it wasted by these fucking TP haters. it's really getting unbearable here. Trolling is a lot more acceptable and still can lead you to be banned. but not this bullshit, even if it's totally infecting this great place games after games.

surely not easy to stop this plague without restricting the essential freedom of speech of a forum. but it's going way too far. Wasting this place.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I notice a trend about Parker's hater.


They are still a bunch of stupid dumbasses.
Fuck you, you don't deserve to be Spurs fans. :td

Ok, if you aren't a parker nut hugger then you hate the spurs. nice logic.

[George Gervin's Afro]

this forum is great. more than great. so are its owners.

but they are letting it wasted by these fucking TP haters. it's really getting unbearable here. Trolling is a lot more acceptable and still can lead you to be banned. but not this bullshit, even if it's totally infecting this great place games after games.

surely not easy to stop this plague without restricting the essential freedom of speech of a forum. but it's going way too far. Wasting this place.

so then why do you post dickhead? people like you make me sick. fuck off.

[Bruno]

Ok, if you aren't a parker nut hugger then you hate the spurs. nice logic.

Sure, there is nothing between "hater" and "nut hugger"...

You're a fucking genius. :rolleyes

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sure, there is nothing between "hater" and "nut hugger"...

You're a fucking genius. :rolleyes

so can you still be a spurs fan and not a big tony parker fan? if so, then stop posting dumb shit then genius.

[Bruno]

so can you still be a spurs fan and not a big tony parker fan? if so, then stop posting dumb shit then genius.

I will do it slowly for you since you need it:

A Parker's hater : someone who always criticize Parker whatever he does.

Do you see the difference between a "hater" and someone who criticizes Parker when he plays bad ?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I will do it slowly for you since you need it:

A Parker's hater : someone who always criticize Parker whatever he does.

Do you see the difference between a "hater" and someone who criticizes Parker when he plays bad ?




I notice a trend about Parker's hater.


They are still a bunch of stupid dumbasses.
Fuck you, you don't deserve to be Spurs fans.

Again, can you not be a fan of parker's and a fan of the spurs?

[Shastafarian]

The trend I don't like is him taking the most shots on the team (especially when others are shooting well).

[George Gervin's Afro]

The trend I don't like is him taking the most shots on the team (especially when others are shooting well).

No, we need him to take games over. We need the ball in his hands 99% of the time to have a chance.

[Bruno]

Again, can you not be a fan of parker's and a fan of the spurs?

Don't you see a difference between "not being a fan" and "being a hater" ?

[leemajors]

You realize that Nelson shot 7-18 and two of his baskets weren't on Tony. But yeah, he's got Tony's number :spin

it just seemed like he was half a step slow, especially over or under screens.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Don't you see a difference between "not being a fan" and "being a hater" ?

I agree so stop with the hammering people who criticize him. I happen to think that he is selfish and not very smart.

[timvp]

:lol @ George Gervin's Afro quoting posts and not recognizing the word "hater".

[Kori Ellis]

it just seemed like he was half a step slow, especially over or under screens.

He was slower in the 4th quarter. He was gasping for breath at every time out. He was definitely tired for whatever reason.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:lol @ George Gervin's Afro quoting posts and not recognizing the word "hater".

laughing (respectively) at timvp who now defines a hater as person who uses the quote functionality..:rollin

[timvp]

New Age Spurs Fans are hilarious. Parker is once again the scapegoat after going for 31 points and six assists while shooting 13-for-24 from the floor and turning the ball over only twice. Not Duncan, who was MIA for about 70% of the game, or Ginobili, who had a team worst plus/minus and was obviously hurting more than helping. Parker takes the blame.

Amazing.

Props :tu

[timvp]

laughing (respectively) at timvp who now defines a hater as person who uses the quote functionality..:rollinAre you high? No one is calling you a hater. You are swinging at smoke, bro.

[timvp]

The trend I don't like is him taking the most shots on the team (especially when others are shooting well).

Again, throughout Spurs history, the Spurs are the best when Parker is scoring. Last night we witnessed something only seen about 20% of the time in games in which Parker scores 25+ points -- a loss. The other 80% of the time the Spurs win.

If there was any proof that Parker shooting a lot hurts the Spurs, I'd be all for him holding back. But when there's 7+ years of proof that show otherwise, that argument fails to hold water.

Plus if you happened to watch the game, you would have seen that the Magic purposely weren't leaving anyone open for Parker to pass to. They were forcing him to score rather than pass. SVG gambled that Parker couldn't win the game by himself. Until he ran out of gas, Parker was on track to make that strategy fail.

But yeah, let's just simplify it by looking at the box score and pointing to Parker's FGAs and saying that he needed to transfer some of his shots over to Mason and Bonner. We'll ignore that neither were open and that Pop wasn't calling plays for either of those players.

[Shastafarian]

New Age Spurs Fans are hilarious. Parker is once again the scapegoat after going for 31 points and six assists while shooting 13-for-24 from the floor and turning the ball over only twice. Not Duncan, who was MIA for about 70% of the game, or Ginobili, who had a team worst plus/minus and was obviously hurting more than helping. Parker takes the blame.

Amazing.

Props :tu

Are you saying you thought his late game shot selection was good? And no I'm not blaming him for the loss.

[George Gervin's Afro]

New Age Spurs Fans are hilarious. Parker is once again the scapegoat after going for 31 points and six assists while shooting 13-for-24 from the floor and turning the ball over only twice. Not Duncan, who was MIA for about 70% of the game, or Ginobili, who had a team worst plus/minus and was obviously hurting more than helping. Parker takes the blame.

Amazing.

Props :tu

I hope your not referring to me as a new age spurs fan. I went to my share of Spurs games at Hemisphere arena and will test my knowledge against ANYONE on this board. Duncan has been playing well as of late and he does take some bad shots so he is not immune to criticism. My problem lies with TP not involving his teamates and taking dumb shots. Well let's include Manu and TD for taking dumb shots. Better now?

[ClingingMars]

Are you saying you thought his late game shot selection was good? And no I'm not blaming him for the loss.

yes, those shots normally fall

-Mars

[Shastafarian]

Again, throughout Spurs history, the Spurs are the best when Parker is scoring. Last night we witnessed something only seen about 20% of the time in games in which Parker scores 25+ points -- a loss. The other 80% of the time the Spurs win.

The Spurs are best if Tony's scoring comes from open shots and good penetration i.e. not driving into more defenders and throwing up stupid shots. Manu does it too but Tony does it more frequently. Obviously if a player scores a bunch of points and he has Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili on his team, the trend is they're going to win. I'm looking at shot selection. Sometimes Tony had good shot selection. But recently it has been subpar.

[timvp]

Are you saying you thought his late game shot selection was good? And no I'm not blaming him for the loss.Uh, yeah it was excellent. Two layups that he hits about 75% of the time? What more do you want?

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs are best if Tony's scoring comes from open shots and good penetration i.e. not driving into more defenders and throwing up stupid shots. Manu does it too but Tony does it more frequently. Obviously if a player scores a bunch of points and he has Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili on his team, the trend is they're going to win. I'm looking at shot selection. Sometimes Tony had good shot selection. But recently it has been subpar.

His shot selection can't be that poor. He shoots 50 percent from the field. Don't act like he's Iverson or Arenas.

[Shastafarian]

If there was any proof that Parker shooting a lot hurts the Spurs, I'd be all for him holding back. But when there's 7+ years of proof that show otherwise, that argument fails to hold water.Maybe I was too vague. Him taking ill-advised shots is a trend I don't like seeing. Tim had several last night too.


Plus if you happened to watch the game, you would have seen that the Magic purposely weren't leaving anyone open for Parker to pass to. They were forcing him to score rather than pass. SVG gambled that Parker couldn't win the game by himself. Until he ran out of gas, Parker was on track to make that strategy fail.

But yeah, let's just simplify it by looking at the box score and pointing to Parker's FGAs and saying that he needed to transfer some of his shots over to Mason and Bonner. We'll ignore that neither were open and that Pop wasn't calling plays for either of those players.
Do you know what a trend is?

[Shastafarian]

His shot selection can't be that poor. He shoots 50 percent from the field. Don't act like he's Iverson or Arenas.

I'm not. I'm saying his FG% would be even higher if he didn't think he was superman or something. I counted 3 times last night (at least) where he went into the lane against more than one defender and threw up a stupid shot. He needs to realize if it's not there he needs to back it out. And yes there were people open on those plays.

[timvp]

I hope your not referring to me as a new age spurs fan. I went to my share of Spurs games at Hemisphere arena and will test my knowledge against ANYONE on this board. Duncan has been playing well as of late and he does take some bad shots so he is not immune to criticism. My problem lies with TP not involving his teamates and taking dumb shots. Well let's include Manu and TD for taking dumb shots. Better now?

How do you involve teammates who happen to be stand-still shooters when the Magic are not sending any help and Pop isn't calling plays for said teammates? There's only so much Parker is in control of. It's not like he was ignoring open teammates ... they Magic specifically weren't leaving those teammates open.

If you wanted those teammates more involved, in the Magic game that's more on Pop than TP.

[Shastafarian]

Uh, yeah it was excellent. Two layups that he hits about 75% of the time? What more do you want?

How much time was left on the shotclock on each possession? How many defenders were within 5 feet of him?

[EricB]

Wow....

[timvp]

The Spurs are best if Tony's scoring comes from open shots and good penetration i.e. not driving into more defenders and throwing up stupid shots.Link? Scoring is scoring in the history books ... unless you can show me otherwise.


I'm looking at shot selection. Sometimes Tony had good shot selection. But recently it has been subpar.What specific shots are you questioning? A point guard can't shoot 50%+ and have too poor of shot selection.

[EricB]

How much time was left on the shotclock on each possession? How many defenders were within 5 feet of him?


So he should pass up layups now?

wow....

[Shastafarian]

So he should pass up layups now?

wow....

WHEN THEY"RE CONTESTED AND YOU NEED TO RESET YES!!!!!

[timvp]

Maybe I was too vague. Him taking ill-advised shots is a trend I don't like seeing. Tim had several last night too.


Do you know what a trend is?Name the shots.


I'm saying his FG% would be even higher if he didn't think he was superman or something.
How how would his FG% be if he took only Shastafarian approved shots? 60%? 70%?

[Shastafarian]

Link? Scoring is scoring in the history books ... unless you can show me otherwise.That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that if he scores on one of the contested layups, he'll miss on the next 3 or 4. That one score is outweighed by his continued shot selection.


What specific shots are you questioning? A point guard can't shoot 50%+ and have too poor of shot selection.
Actually they can. Or do you not understand percentages?

[EricB]

WHEN THEY"RE CONTESTED AND YOU NEED TO RESET YES!!!!!

I sat right at the hoop for Parker's two missed layups.

They were hardly contested. He just missed them.

Your wrong, deal with it.

[EricB]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that if he scores on one of the contested layups, he'll miss on the next 3 or 4. That one score is outweighed by his continued shot selection.


Actually they can. Or do you not understand percentages?


You do know that 50% shooting for a guard is good.

Right?

[Shastafarian]

Name the shots.Oh ok. That one in the first quarter. And then again in the second. Oh and there was one near the end of the that one game from a while ago. I'm gonna watch the Laker game and write down every time he takes a stupid shot just for you.



How how would his FG% be if he took only Shastafarian approved shots? 60%? 70%?
Hard to say. Would you be hanging all over his nuts like you are now?

[Shastafarian]

I sat right at the hoop for Parker's two missed layups.

They were hardly contested. He just missed them.

Your wrong, deal with it.

His second missed shot might not have been but the first one was.

[EricB]

His second missed shot might not have been but the first one was.


Wrong, he broke free on the baseline, it literally happened right in front of me.

Hardly contested.

Keep crawdading in your hate spewage though.

[timvp]

How much time was left on the shotclock on each possession? How many defenders were within 5 feet of him?You seriously have a problem with Parker's last two shots? I can see you being angered that he missed but those were great attempts that he almost always makes. That last one was a simple blown layup that you won't see him miss more than a couple times per season.

And what does the time on the shotclock have to do with anything? There was under a minute to go in the game. The Spurs were down by multiple possessions. The best possible scenario is to get an easy shot at the rim ASAP. Parker got that twice ... he just happened to miss both. Hate the miss, not the attempt.

So basically you think easy shots Parker always makes were ill-advised? And you were against him taking quick shots with under a minute to go in the game with the Spurs down multiple possessions?

Really?

[Shastafarian]

You do know that 50% shooting for a guard is good.

Right?

It feels like I'm talking to a wall. Yes I understand he shoots a good %. I don't see why that would absolve him from criticism on his shot selection. Or are you gonna tell me that airball he threw up was just unlucky?

[timvp]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that if he scores on one of the contested layups, he'll miss on the next 3 or 4. That one score is outweighed by his continued shot selection. That doesn't sound like a 50%+ shooter to me.


Actually they can. Or do you not understand percentages?So you don't want to name the shots?

[Kori Ellis]

It feels like I'm talking to a wall. Yes I understand he shoots a good %. I don't see why that would absolve him from criticism on his shot selection. Or are you gonna tell me that airball he threw up was just unlucky?

Come on, man. You are going to bitch about the airball? He had hit like six straight shots. That was just a heat check. :lol

[timvp]

Oh ok. That one in the first quarter. And then again in the second. Oh and there was one near the end of the that one game from a while ago. I'm gonna watch the Laker game and write down every time he takes a stupid shot just for you.So you can't name the shots. If it's such a trend, shouldn't this be a simple task?


Hard to say. Would you be hanging all over his nuts like you are now?:lol Another non answer. And if "hanging on his nuts" consists of not getting mad at TP shooting wide open attempts at the rim when the Spurs are down multiple possessions, then yeah I guess you have it right.

[Shastafarian]

That doesn't sound like a 50%+ shooter to me.

So you don't want to name the shots?

How am I supposed to name the shots? You think I have a catalog of all of Tony's missed shots that I keep for such an occasion? What I find funny is that I merely comment that I don't like the trend of him taking the most shots on team (those 0 assists in the second half were helpful) and I get pounced on like I just spoke ill of jesus christ. As I said, I don't blame him for the loss. But I do question his shot selection at certain times in certain games.

[Shastafarian]

Come on, man. You are going to bitch about the airball? He had hit like six straight shots. That was just a heat check. :lol

I know. I'm not bitching about it. It's just I get absolutely blasted any time I question the lord and savior Tony Parker. He's good and maybe even great. But he's not perfect and he does take stupid shots (as do all of the Spurs). The difference with him is that he's supposed to run the team, not dribble around for a while, not pass to anyone, and then take a jump shot (actually happened last night).

[timvp]

His second missed shot might not have been but the first one was.Yeah, Parker only makes that shot about 70% of the time. He should have pulled the ball back out and reset and looked for a better shot. Who cares about being down multiple possessions with under a minute to go?

[Shastafarian]

So you can't name the shots. If it's such a trend, shouldn't this be a simple task?
Please explain how I'm supposed to name specific shots.

:lol Another non answer. And if "hanging on his nuts" consists of not getting mad at TP shooting wide open attempts at the rim when the Spurs are down multiple possessions, then yeah I guess you have it right.

You want me to answer a stupid ad-hominem question? If he took my approved shots he'd shoot 150%. There ya go.

[Shastafarian]

Yeah, Parker only makes that shot about 70% of the time. He should have pulled the ball back out and reset and looked for a better shot. Who cares about being down multiple possessions with under a minute to go?

Really? Can you get me a link to that statistic?

[timvp]

How am I supposed to name the shots? You think I have a catalog of all of Tony's missed shots that I keep for such an occasion? What I find funny is that I merely comment that I don't like the trend of him taking the most shots on team (those 0 assists in the second half were helpful) and I get pounced on like I just spoke ill of jesus christ. As I said, I don't blame him for the loss. But I do question his shot selection at certain times in certain games.Link to where I blasted you for saying he's taking the most shots on the team? I'm just correcting your woefully bad analysis of those final two misses.

And guess who led the Spurs in shot attempts in both the regular season and the playoffs in 2007?

[timvp]

I know. I'm not bitching about it. It's just I get absolutely blasted any time I question the lord and savior Tony Parker.:lol @ you going emo. TP is the most bashed of the Big Three ... by far. Don't try to pretend you are the first one to wrongfully criticize him.

[Kori Ellis]

I know. I'm not bitching about it. It's just I get absolutely blasted any time I question the lord and savior Tony Parker. He's good and maybe even great. But he's not perfect and he does take stupid shots (as do all of the Spurs). The difference with him is that he's supposed to run the team, not dribble around for a while, not pass to anyone, and then take a jump shot (actually happened last night).

Most of the time when he dribbles around and doesn't pass to anyone, that's when Pop has called an iso for him. Anyway, of course, he puts up bad shots sometimes - he's not perfect. But he shouldn't always be the scapegoat for every loss. Especially when 3-point shooters aren't getting open and when he's doing what he's instructed by his coach (i.e. get a quick layup, shoot ~20 times a game, etc).

[Shastafarian]

Link to where I blasted you for saying he's taking the most shots on the team? I'm just correcting your woefully bad analysis of those final two misses.My mistake for wanting a better shot than a running tear drop when he was outnumbered.


And guess who led the Spurs in shot attempts in both the regular season and the playoffs in 2007?Who is leading the team this year?

[leemajors]

New Age Spurs Fans are hilarious. Parker is once again the scapegoat after going for 31 points and six assists while shooting 13-for-24 from the floor and turning the ball over only twice. Not Duncan, who was MIA for about 70% of the game, or Ginobili, who had a team worst plus/minus and was obviously hurting more than helping. Parker takes the blame.

Amazing.

Props :tu

you have any idea why timmy sat for so long in the second? i know he played basically the entire third, but it just seemed odd.

[timvp]

Please explain how I'm supposed to name specific shots.By watching the games and remembering all the bad shots he took. For example, you can say: "I thought that last wide open layup was a bad shot. He took it with way too much time on the shotclock."

Oh wait, you already said that . . .


You want me to answer a stupid ad-hominem question? If he took my approved shots he'd shoot 150%. There ya go.You can't even make a legitimate guess? If the 50%+ shooting point guard only took shots you thought were good, he must potentially have the ability to lead the league in FG% ... if not break all-time records.

[Shastafarian]

Most of the time when he dribbles around and doesn't pass to anyone, that's when Pop has called an iso for him. Anyway, of course, he puts up bad shots sometimes - he's not perfect. But he shouldn't always be the scapegoat for every loss. Especially when 3-point shooters aren't getting open and when he's doing what he's instructed by his coach (i.e. get a quick layup, shoot ~20 times a game, etc).

I'm not making him the scapegoat. I'm saying I don't like it when he plays well in the first half and then forgets he has teammates in the second. Oh lemme guess. Someone's gonna jump on that last statement for not being true.

[timvp]

My mistake for wanting a better shot than a running tear drop when he was outnumbered. The 70% shot wasn't good enough? What exactly did you want in that situation?


Who is leading the team this year?Parker. Which is a good omen if you would have answered the last question.

[timvp]

running tear drop As opposed to a stand-still tear drop ...

[I Love Me Some Me]

I, too, sometimes question Tony's shot selection. Not just at the end of games, but throughout the game. More often than not, he'll make the right play...but it's frustrating when he doesn't, because we know he's capable of better.

I was okay with last night's selection, but the execution of the final two was atrocious. I mean, he flat out blew an open layup.

[Shastafarian]

By watching the games and remembering all the bad shots he took. For example, you can say: "I thought that last wide open layup was a bad shot. He took it with way too much time on the shotclock."

Oh wait, you already said that . . . How would you like me to reference said bad shots? Should I tape every game and say, "at the 4:30 mark in the second, Tony hiccuped and took a bad jumper"?


You can't even make a legitimate guess? If the 50%+ shooting point guard only took shots you thought were good, he must potentially have the ability to lead the league in FG% ... if not break all-time records.

I guess I'm the first person to question a player's shot selection. Man you sure got me. 75%. No no 80%. No wait, some days I like him taking more shots. 55%. Well then again I get mad when he takes stupid jump shots while he's covered. So maybe 62%. 69%. 94%?

[timvp]

you have any idea why timmy sat for so long in the second? i know he played basically the entire third, but it just seemed odd.
That's a good question. With as much as Duncan was rolling in the first, that might have gotten him out of rhythm. He usually doesn't sit for eight minutes in a row ... especially when not in foul trouble.

[Shastafarian]

I, too, sometimes question Tony's shot selection. Not just at the end of games, but throughout the game. More often than not, he'll make the right play...but it's frustrating when he doesn't, because we know he's capable of better.

I was okay with last night's selection, but the execution of the final two was atrocious. I mean, he flat out blew an open layup.

OH NOOOOOOO. You're questioning the lord and savior! How dare you question his shot selection! Especially on those last two drives. I mean, we all know he was perfect on those and always is.

[Kori Ellis]

The 70% shot wasn't good enough? What exactly did you want in that situation?

Parker. Which is a good omen if you would have answered the last question.

Let's go take a nap, I'm bored with this thread.

(Warning to Spurs fans, someone usually gets traded if we take a nap at this time. Ask Malik and Rasho.)

[timvp]

I'm not making him the scapegoat. I'm saying I don't like it when he plays well in the first half and then forgets he has teammates in the second. Oh lemme guess. Someone's gonna jump on that last statement for not being true.:lol Even your own keyboard knows you are just making things up now.

[timvp]

OH NOOOOOOO. You're questioning the lord and savior! How dare you question his shot selection! Especially on those last two drives. I mean, we all know he was perfect on those and always is.Can you read? He says he blew an open layup. Not that he shouldn't have taken the open layup ... as you so brightly ascertained.

But yeah, I'd love for someone to answer what TP would shoot percentage-wise if he had good shot selection.

[Shastafarian]

:lol Even your own keyboard knows you are just making things up now.

How many assists did he have in the second half?

[timvp]

Let's go take a nap, I'm bored with this thread.Sounds like a plan. I'm sure I won't be missing the final misguided TP bashfest in SpursTalk history :bking

[I Love Me Some Me]

Can you read? He says he blew an open layup. Not that he shouldn't have taken the open layup ... as you so brightly ascertained.

But yeah, I'd love for someone to answer what TP would shoot percentage-wise if he had good shot selection.

I did, however, think the teardrop was a bad shot. He didn't have numbers, took it from a bad angle, and rushed it. There was enough time at that point to run a set play, and get a better look.

[George Gervin's Afro]

OH NOOOOOOO. You're questioning the lord and savior! How dare you question his shot selection! Especially on those last two drives. I mean, we all know he was perfect on those and always is.

Don't worry man there are many of us out there who agree with you. I know a bad shot when I see one and Tony parker seems to pick the worst times to take contested shots. For those who refuse to acknowledge that he takes ill advised highy contested shots at bad times they will never agree. I used to count how many wasted possessions the we had ecause of his need to dominate the ball but now it really doesn't matter. There are too many people here who want to 'own' you rather than acknowledge that you jhave a legit post. Don't worry man!

[Shastafarian]

But yeah, I'd love for someone to answer what TP would shoot percentage-wise if he had good shot selection.
Probably about the same %. Lemme know if you need me to explain why that's so.

[Shastafarian]

I did, however, think the teardrop was a bad shot. He didn't have numbers, took it from a bad angle, and rushed it. There was enough time at that point to run a set play, and get a better look.

Just stop it man. Stop. You're going straight to hell. You don't know basketball like timvp. You're a mental midget. We all are. We're all wrong and he's always right.

[timvp]

Probably about the same %. Lemme know if you need me to explain why that's so.So he hits the same percentage of shots whether they are advised or ill-advised? You just owned your own damn self :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Kori Ellis]

I did, however, think the teardrop was a bad shot. He didn't have numbers, took it from a bad angle, and rushed it. There was enough time at that point to run a set play, and get a better look.

There was under a minute left. They were going for a quick shot. It was a fast break and they were down multiple possessions. It wasn't the perfect shot, but it wasn't horrible.

I have seen Tony have bad shot selection before. I just don't think those last two shots were it. They were about as good as it gets when you are trying to score a few buckets with under a minute to go.

[Shastafarian]

So he hits the same percentage of shots whether they are advised or ill-advised? You just owned your own damn self :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

So the team automatically wins if players shoot good percentages?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Kori Ellis]

The sarcasm is just way too annoying on both sides.
This thread is done.