I hate to say it but...

[de Soto]

...the Spurs are not competitive with the best teams in NBA at this moment. Orlando won too easily regardless of the score. :(

Lets hope things turn around for the Spurs toward the end of the season.:flag:

[Punkkboy44]

I agree with you..I thought it was interesting how Orlando torched the nets from 3..while the Spurs..enuff said..Oberto..Ian...Bowen...do something already..start playing..retire..contribute..cmon

[Jayem]

yeah its the truth but the blind spurs homers here wont wanna hear it.

we're barely competitive with scrub teams. lol

unless we get another great player on the team, we arent winning shit this year.

[NFGIII]

Have to give props to Orlando for thier 3pt shooting. They hit over 60% which will not happen very often. They shoot their average and the Spurs win this one even with some of those questionable calls - Howard's obvious charge oagainst Manu and the phatom foul that gave R. Lewis 3 FTs. That's 5pts right there they shouldn't have had but as Sean said - there are nights like these. The Spurs have had these types of nights, too. All NBA teams have.

In this game we were the bug and the Magic was the windshield.

:flag:

[benefactor]

Magic...14-22 from 3. Spurs...3-13 from 3...and we were in the game the whole game and had a chance win it late.

You say the Spurs are not a competitive team...that tells me you are not a competitive poster.

[de Soto]

...and we were in the game the whole game and had a chance win it late.

Total BS. Orlando was toying with the Spurs and easily pulled ahead when it counted.



You say the Spurs are not a competitive team...that tells me you are not a competitive poster.

That's much better than an obtuse poster with his head buried deep in his own anus. There are too many of them in here.

[DarrinS]

Last night's game was competitive and we were playing one the NBA's elite teams.


What was the point of the OP again?

[xtremesteven33]

We gave one of the best teams everything they can handle on one of thier best performances of the season.

They played nearly flawlessly.

[NFGIII]

Total BS. Orlando was toying with the Spurs and easily pulled ahead when it counted.

No they weren't. As stated before - any team that shoots over 60% - 14 of 22 - from the 3 pt line and will win most of those games. The Spurs held their own in all the other stat categories. Orlando shoots their average and the Spurs win but 8 - 10 pts. Throw in those questionable calls mention earlier and it's a 15 - 20 pt W.

Orlando played great and deserves the win - the Spurs perimeter D was slow to nonexistent all night. Those 3pt shots by Orlando were virtually uncontested.

[benefactor]

Total BS. Orlando was toying with the Spurs and easily pulled ahead when it counted.

Really? Is that why we beat them in almost every statistical category except three point shooting? Two wide open, point blank misses by Parker and a defensive lapse by Mason gave them the final lead. Facts to back up your "toying" claim please.


That's much better than an obtuse poster with his head buried deep in his own anus. There are too many of them in here.
The funny thing is your statements make you look like the exact same thing that you are claiming I am except on the opposite end of the spectrum. Could we win it all if the playoffs started today? Probably not. Will we be there by the end of the season? I think we will.

[Budkin]

Give me a fucking break... we could have won this game, it's not like we got blown out. Things didn't go our way. It's early January. Get over it.

[Shastafarian]

Total BS. Orlando was toying with the Spurs and easily pulled ahead when it counted.


You should alert the league to this. I've never heard of team purposefully not playing up to their potential to "toy" with the opposition. Man, bombshell right there. Maybe some point shaving going on?

[peskypesky]

Not worried too much, since Orlando won with a freakish 3pt %.

But the weakness in post players continues to be a problem. Oberto, Bonner and Thomas are not good enough. We need another post player who is starter quality. We all know none of those guys would start on any other team in the league.

[Ditty]

Magic...14-22 from 3. Spurs...3-13 from 3...and we were in the game the whole game and had a chance win it late.

You say the Spurs are not a competitive team...that tells me you are not a competitive poster.

nice its not everyday that the magic will make 14 3 pointers i thought we played well and showed alot of people we can compete now if e lost by over 10 i think u should make this stupid post but we were winning at some points of the game orlando has that starting lineup for a couple of years and the spurs have there new lineup since this year

when is ginobili going to show up?

why dosent roger mason dont show up till the critical parts of games and not during the whole game?

wednesday is a must win

[ChumpDumper]

I hate to say it but...People claim they hate it but they really love making threads like this.

[Spurminator]

Orlando won too easily regardless of the score. :(


Orlando was out-rebounded, turned the ball over more and shot the ball worse from the field, and the game was within 5 points for almost all 48 minutes... but yeah, other than that, easy win.

[beachwood]

[QUOTE=de Soto;3021820]Total BS. Orlando was toying with the Spurs and easily pulled ahead when it counted.

Now that's a BS statement. it was competitive the entire time but to Orlando's credit and regardless of the reffing, they made the big crunch time plays and Parker missed two easy shots at the end. Nelson was hitting 3's in Parker's face and was playing like he had something to prove.

[Behrooz24]

:lmao

If we make a couple of misses and not screw up on a couple rotations this thread we'd be the champs right?

[Duncan2177]

Its hard to beat a team that shoots 60%..

[peskypesky]

People claim they hate it but they really love making threads like this.

:toast

[xellos88330]

I thought last nights game was quite competitive. Just bad luck is all. Not very often a team shoots 63% from 3.

[de Soto]

Oberto, Bonner and Thomas are not good enough. We need another post player who is starter quality. We all know none of those guys would start on any other team in the league.

I tend to agree with you.

[de Soto]

Just bad luck is all.

There is no such thing as luck in the NBA.

[urunobili]

People claim they hate it but they really love making threads like this.

signs Mr Thread psychologist :lol

[Ditty]

I tend to agree with you.

me too we need camby

[EricB]

Hmm, me thinks theres some mighty gigantic fail in this thread.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ this thread..the OP clearly isn't a Spurs fan, and neither is anybody that agrees with him..either that, or you're fucking stupid..

losing to arguably the 2nd best team in the NBA by 1 possesion after Tony Parker misses 2 chip shots..despite them shooting almost 70% from 3's, and getting all the possible help from the officials..

ya, we can't compete with the great teams..give me a break..

[ClingingMars]

Hmm, me thinks theres some mighty gigantic fail in this thread.

:tu

[Austin_Toros]

spurs are one of the best teams in the league. of course they will find it hard to beat teams like orlando and lakers, but those are two of the best teams in the league.
spurs, regardless of how good they are, can finish with a high seed in the west and come playoff time, well, we know what they can do.

[SenorSpur]

I hate to admit it, but right now, at this point in the season, your assessment is true. Their occasional struggles against top teams (like Orlando) bear this out. It is a bit of a concern. Time will tell as to whether they will be able to topple mighty Fakers.

[de Soto]

I hate to admit it, but right now, at this point in the season, your assessment is true. Their occasional struggles against top teams (like Orlando) bear this out. It is a bit of a concern. Time will tell as to whether they will be able to topple mighty Fakers.

Ahhh...finally someone who seems to comprehend basic English language.

Thank you! :toast

[DarrinS]

Ahhh...finally someone who seems to comprehend basic English language.

Thank you! :toast



What about last nights game was not competitive?

[SenorSpur]

Hell, Pop even admits that himself. Fakers, Cavs and Celtics are in a different stratosphere than the rest of the league. Nothing to be embarassed about. Spurs have to remain healthy, catch a few breaks and play at a consistently high level.

[DarrinS]

Hell, Pop even admits that himself. Fakers, Cavs and Celtics are in a different stratosphere than the rest of the league. Nothing to be embarassed about. Spurs have to remain healthy, catch a few breaks and play at a consistently high level.


NBA.com apparently disagrees with you.

Their latest power rankings:

1. Cavs
2. Lakers
3. Magic
4. Spurs
5. Celtics

[BigVee]

One game means nothing. The playoffs are about locking in and prepping for one team for multiple games. Orlando would not beat the Spurs in a 7 game series. Orlando is hot right now. That is the nature of the regular season in the NBA. Do you think the Spurs would lose to the Bucks in a 7 game series?

[Nathan Explosion]

To answer the question about why Mason didn't play. Pop probably thought he wasn't the best option. Or, pop was probably trying to see what this lineup would do. Like it or not as Spurs fans, Pop cares more about testing his lineups, learning about the team and improving more than he does with winning at this point in the season.

Pop would rather lose by two, but show a big improvment from game to game than win by 20 and regress. He's that type of guy. When it gets close to the playoffs, the Spurs should be hitting their stride, and we will definitely know everything we have to about this team.

And besides, in the last 19 games, this is only their 4th loss, right?

[de Soto]

NBA.com apparently disagrees with you.

Their latest power rankings:

1. Cavs
2. Lakers
3. Magic
4. Spurs
5. Celtics


IMO, people can shove their rankings and stats up their rectums. The only thing that counts is winning.:ihit

Winning -ultimately- when it counts, that is.

[DAF86]

I'm so sick and tired of this emo threads. Chill people, if we face the Magic in the Finals we'd probably sweep them like we did with the Cavs two years ago.

[de Soto]

I'm so sick and tired of this emo threads. Chill people, if we face the Magic in the Finals we'd probably sweep them like we did with the Cavs two years ago.

I'd like to think so. :flag:

But I saw NO indication of that last night.:(

[DAF86]

I'd like to think so. :flag:

But I saw NO indication of that last night.:(

I didn't see any indication either that we were going to sweep the Cavs in the '07 finals in the two regular losses that we had against them that season, but we did.

The only two teams that the Spurs need to worry about are the Lakers and Celtics.

[de Soto]

I didn't saw any indication either that we were going to sweep the Cavs in the '07 finals in the two regular losses that we had against them that season, but we did.

True. The Spurs way. :toast



The only two teams that the Spurs need to worry about are the Lakers and Celtics.

I dunno. If the Spurs get past the Lakers, nothing or nobody will stop them. Mark my words.

[beachwood]

I didn't saw any indication either that we were going to sweep the Cavs in the '07 finals in the two regular losses that we had against them that season, but we did.

The only two teams that the Spurs need to worry about are the Lakers and Celtics.

The 07 Cavs were no where near as good as the Magic are now. The Magic are a legit TEAM.

[DAF86]

I dunno. If the Spurs get past the Lakers, nothing or nobody will stop them. Mark my words.

I also think that if we get past the Lakers the Championship is ours but I added the Celts just in case.

[DAF86]

The 07 Cavs were no where near as good as the Magic are now. The Magic are a legit TEAM.

Instead of a sweep it'll be a 4-1 series then. Do you really think that a team with Hedo Turkoglu as the go to guy will beat the Spurs in a 7 G series?

[de Soto]

Do you really think that a team with Hedo Turkoglu as the go to guy will beat the Spurs in a 7 G series?

Hmmm...I feel much better now...it is :toast:toast:toast -time! :flag:

[DAF86]

Hmmm...I feel much better now...it is :toast:toast:toast -time! :flag:

You're welcome :lol

[de Soto]

You're welcome :lol

:toast:toast:toast:toast:toast:toast Later!

[beachwood]

Instead of a sweep it'll be a 4-1 series then. Do you really think that a team with Hedo Turkoglu as the go to guy will beat the Spurs in a 7 G series?

I think we could win beat them in a 7 game series, but i won't underestimate the Magic. I was really impressed with the way they played as a team. Everyone on their team contributed to last night's win.

And it's a little naive to think that players can't develop. Yes, Hedo was soft when he was a Spur, but I won't completely write him off as a player today.

[EricB]

Hedo is a good player but he still has his choking tendancies, that was shown in the playoffs against Detroit last year when he as expected curled up into a ball.

[SPURS vs NBA media]

wow wow wow

[Yorae]

The true level of an NBA team appears only on playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

let's look at our games vs. .500 teams..I hope people actually read this post.

vs. Phoenix..lost by 1 possession where Timmy missed a 3(we should have took a timeout, but whatever)..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Portland..lost by Finley missing a wide open 15-footer at the buzzer..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Dallas..blowout..we were missing Manu, but we just got blown out here..competitive? no..

vs. Miami..blowout..we were missing Ginobili and that's when TP got injured in the 1st quarter..competitive? no..

vs. Houston..win without Parker and Ginobili..impressive as hell..competitive? clearly, we won..

vs. Denver..lost handily..no Parker and Ginobili..competitive? no..

vs. Utah..blowout win without Parker and Ginobili..competitive? yes..

vs. Houston..blowout loss..Parker and Ginobili in only their 2nd game back..competitive? no..

vs. Detroit..loss..we had control for 3 quarters, but lost it in the 4th..Manu and Parker's 3rd game back..competitive? yes..

vs. Denver..blowout win..

vs. Dallas..OT win..

vs. Atlanta..win..

vs. New Orleans..loss..we had control for 3 and a half quarters, despite our shooters missing wide open shots all night..Hornets take lead when David West makes 2 3's to take the lead..competitive..

vs. Orlando..blowout loss on a back to back where the team got in at 3AM after a tough game in New Orleans..

vs. Phoenix..buzzer beater win..

vs. Miami win..

vs. Orlando..loss by 1 possession where Tony Parker missed 2 chip shots he usually makes..Magic shoot 70% from 3's, and get tremendous help from the officiating..clearly competitive..

so looking at these 17 games..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..that would put us at 7-5..not great, but not bad..then consider the losses outside of those..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly competitive and SHOULD have won..a virtually impossible game to win vs. Orlando..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

when you consider the circumstances, it really doesn't sound that bad..most real Spurs fans know this though..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..

[Yorae]

If Olrando didn't shoot the lights out on three they could not have won this one. If we could lose to scrub teams, we could lose to good teams too,right?

[peskypesky]

Please don't ###### up this thread. Thank you.

:ban:

[Ice009]

:ban:

What did he mean by that? Surely that wasn't a racist comment was it?

[anakha]

yeah its the truth but the blind spurs homers here wont wanna hear it.

we're barely competitive with scrub teams. lol

unless we get another great player on the team, we arent winning shit this year.

After all, the Spurs had no chance of winning the title in 2007, right? :rolleyes

[Cry Havoc]

I petition the rest of this thread to call for the bannination of de Soto.

[rascal]

let's look at our games vs. .500 teams..I hope people actually read this post.

vs. Phoenix..lost by 1 possession where Timmy missed a 3(we should have took a timeout, but whatever)..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Portland..lost by Finley missing a wide open 15-footer at the buzzer..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Dallas..blowout..we were missing Manu, but we just got blown out here..competitive? no..

vs. Miami..blowout..we were missing Ginobili and that's when TP got injured in the 1st quarter..competitive? no..

vs. Houston..win without Parker and Ginobili..impressive as hell..competitive? clearly, we won..

vs. Denver..lost handily..no Parker and Ginobili..competitive? no..

vs. Utah..blowout win without Parker and Ginobili..competitive? yes..

vs. Houston..blowout loss..Parker and Ginobili in only their 2nd game back..competitive? no..

vs. Detroit..loss..we had control for 3 quarters, but lost it in the 4th..Manu and Parker's 3rd game back..competitive? yes..

vs. Denver..blowout win..

vs. Dallas..OT win..

vs. Atlanta..win..

vs. New Orleans..loss..we had control for 3 and a half quarters, despite our shooters missing wide open shots all night..Hornets take lead when David West makes 2 3's to take the lead..competitive..

vs. Orlando..blowout loss on a back to back where the team got in at 3AM after a tough game in New Orleans..

vs. Phoenix..buzzer beater win..

vs. Miami win..

vs. Orlando..loss by 1 possession where Tony Parker missed 2 chip shots he usually makes..Magic shoot 70% from 3's, and get tremendous help from the officiating..clearly competitive..

so looking at these 17 games..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..that would put us at 7-5..not great, but not bad..then consider the losses outside of those..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly competitive and SHOULD have won..a virtually impossible game to win vs. Orlando..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

when you consider the circumstances, it really doesn't sound that bad..most real Spurs fans know this though..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..


If you eliminate the losses without Parker and Ginobili you have to eliminate the wins without them also. You cannot pick and choose which variables to drop to make it look the way you want it to look. Also if you consider dropping the close loses as games that they could have won then you also have to consider the close wins as games they could have lost.

Overall the spurs do not look like an elite championship caliber team so far. they have struggled against almost everyone and they have not done well overall against the better teams.


The front court is just too weak.

Can the spurs compete (in a sense of giving a hard fought effort) with the better teams Yes. Can they win a title with this team No.

The spurs overall record is inflated because of their weak schedule so far.
It will start to come back down to reality when the schedule gets tougher and as the season moves on then everyone will get a better read of how good they are.

[rascal]

I petition the rest of this thread to call for the bannination of de Soto.

We should ban you. Because you don't agree with him ban him?
Go and cry.

[rascal]

After all, the Spurs had no chance of winning the title in 2007, right? :rolleyes

This is 2009. Stop living in the past. There has been many changes in the league since 2007.

[Hollinger]

Can the spurs compete (in a sense of giving a hard fought effort) with the better teams Yes. Can they win a title with this team No.

The spurs overall record is inflated because of their weak schedule so far.
It will start to come back down to reality when the schedule gets tougher and as the season moves on then everyone will get a better read of how good they are.

That's what I was saying in my article. (Great minds think alike).

[anakha]

This is 2009. Stop living in the past. There has been many changes in the league since 2007.

I was referring to the nimrod's proclamation that the Spurs were dead and buried then, yet still won the title.

Just showing others how much stock they should take in his opinions.

And your defense of his stupidity still makes me :lol.

[Yorae]

Knicks just whooped new orleans ass. Too bad celtics still managed to win in OT against the raptors.

[ducks]

does boston look like title contenders right now
spurs will look like it in march still jan

[Yorae]

Here's a photo to commemorate the loss

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090113/capt.57bad37896ed42cfbfb6f186d1cbd578.knicks_horne ts_basketball_laab112.jpg

West: Eww, this ball looks so dirty, I won't play with this shit!

[Yorae]

Here's CP3 and Harrington "sizing" up each other

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090113/capt.818e342839274cfdb3164df469f8cac4.knicks_horne ts_basketball_laab111.jpg

Al: What the fuck, why the hell is your's so small?
Chris: OOOOh that's a big one you got there!

[HarlemHeat37]

If you eliminate the losses without Parker and Ginobili you have to eliminate the wins without them also. You cannot pick and choose which variables to drop to make it look the way you want it to look. Also if you consider dropping the close loses as games that they could have won then you also have to consider the close wins as games they could have lost.

no, it doesn't work that way..

the fact that we won without Parker and Ginobili vs. Houston and Utah proves we can beat elite teams either way..there's no reason to think we wouldn't have won those games if our 2nd and 3rd best players were in the lineup..

it doesn't work that way..

also, the fact that we barely beat some teams is irrelevant, because the question was whether or not we can compete with the top teams..a close game is competing either way, and obviously when you win it's the same..

the fact that we've been competitive in most of the games vs. elite teams despite the injuries, and the fact that these games have been in December/January(where we usually don't care) shows that we have room to grow..


Overall the spurs do not look like an elite championship caliber team so far. they have struggled against almost everyone and they have not done well overall against the better teams.

like I said..we aren't elite..but I've clearly proved we can compete with better teams..and LOL @ "struggled against almost everyone"..you're an idiot..


The spurs overall record is inflated because of their weak schedule so far.It will start to come back down to reality when the schedule gets tougher and as the season moves on then everyone will get a better read of how good they are.

poor argument, considering we were missing our 2nd and 3rd best player for a long time..are you saying that Boston would continue to play well without Pierce and Allen? LA without Gasol and Bynum? Cleveland without Williams and Z?..

[Armando]

Yes I know the Spurs are old and done. Every year is the same story yet they are always there in the end. Just ask New Orleans and Phoenix.

[Cry Havoc]

We should ban you. Because you don't agree with him ban him?
Go and cry.


Please don't ###### up this thread. Thank you.

How about you read the thread so you know what you're talking about instead of just being a bitch?

[raspsa]

I think a better gauge of the Spurs will come during the Rodeo Road Trip.

[Ditty]

Here's CP3 and Harrington "sizing" up each other

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090113/capt.818e342839274cfdb3164df469f8cac4.knicks_horne ts_basketball_laab111.jpg



Al: What the fuck, why the hell is your's so small?
Chris: OOOOh that's a big one you got there!

:lol

[Dre_7]

We should ban you. Because you don't agree with him ban him?
Go and cry.

I think he should be banned for his racism. Not his basketball opinions.

[DarrinS]

I'm so sick and tired of this emo threads. Chill people, if we face the Magic in the Finals we'd probably sweep them like we did with the Cavs two years ago.


No shit. That's ok. Kori has been doing a fine job of closing these dumbass threads.

[Rogue]

I hate to say it but the truth tells us everything even if no one says it. The spurs are not as good as they were, now even the rockets and hornets are considered better than them. Their four rings have become history and now the only way in front them is just to rebuild their stained team. It's better to rebuild a team before it totally collapse than after acquiring the worst stats of the league.

[anakha]

The spurs are not as good as they were, now even the rockets and hornets are considered better than them.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[ClingingMars]

Yes I know the Spurs are old and done. Every year is the same story yet they are always there in the end. Just ask New Orleans and Phoenix.

please listen to the Suns fans. sometimes I think they're better experts on the Spurs then us fans.

-Mars

[ClingingMars]

I hate to say it but the truth tells us everything even if no one says it. The spurs are not as good as they were, now even the rockets and hornets are considered better than them. Their four rings have become history and now the only way in front them is just to rebuild their stained team. It's better to rebuild a team before it totally collapse than after acquiring the worst stats of the league.

when will Rogue stop with his idiocy?

-Mars

[de Soto]

..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..

..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly competitive and SHOULD have won..

..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

Injuries...should have won...officials...

If the Spurs were the ONLY team affected by these ills, your argument would merit some consideration. But they aren't.



..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..

I mostly agree there, I guess.

[EricB]

let's look at our games vs. .500 teams..I hope people actually read this post.

vs. Phoenix..lost by 1 possession where Timmy missed a 3(we should have took a timeout, but whatever)..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Portland..lost by Finley missing a wide open 15-footer at the buzzer..we were missing Manu..competitive? clearly..

vs. Dallas..blowout..we were missing Manu, but we just got blown out here..competitive? no..

vs. Miami..blowout..we were missing Ginobili and that's when TP got injured in the 1st quarter..competitive? no..

vs. Houston..win without Parker and Ginobili..impressive as hell..competitive? clearly, we won..

vs. Denver..lost handily..no Parker and Ginobili..competitive? no..

vs. Utah..blowout win without Parker and Ginobili..competitive? yes..

vs. Houston..blowout loss..Parker and Ginobili in only their 2nd game back..competitive? no..

vs. Detroit..loss..we had control for 3 quarters, but lost it in the 4th..Manu and Parker's 3rd game back..competitive? yes..

vs. Denver..blowout win..

vs. Dallas..OT win..

vs. Atlanta..win..

vs. New Orleans..loss..we had control for 3 and a half quarters, despite our shooters missing wide open shots all night..Hornets take lead when David West makes 2 3's to take the lead..competitive..

vs. Orlando..blowout loss on a back to back where the team got in at 3AM after a tough game in New Orleans..

vs. Phoenix..buzzer beater win..

vs. Miami win..

vs. Orlando..loss by 1 possession where Tony Parker missed 2 chip shots he usually makes..Magic shoot 70% from 3's, and get tremendous help from the officiating..clearly competitive..

so looking at these 17 games..let's eliminate the losses without Ginobili and/or Parker, since that's clearly the smart thing to do..that would put us at 7-5..not great, but not bad..then consider the losses outside of those..choke jobs against Detroit and New Orleans, where we were clearly competitive and SHOULD have won..a virtually impossible game to win vs. Orlando..the other Orlando game being seriously altered by the officials..

when you consider the circumstances, it really doesn't sound that bad..most real Spurs fans know this though..nobody is saying our team is on the elite level, we definitely aren't at this point..but we can compete with the better teams..


Great points, this is a team that has only played together semi whole for about 2 weeks TOPS.

I think Ginobili is not all the way back yet hes still at 80% maybe.


The time to judge this team as always is in middle or end of march.

Even then its not a great indicator, IE, 2007.

[EricB]

We should ban you. Because you don't agree with him ban him?
Go and cry.


Uhm, so your ok with the N word being dropped in this thread?

Doesn't speak alot to your standing my friend.

[EricB]

If you eliminate the losses without Parker and Ginobili you have to eliminate the wins without them also. You cannot pick and choose which variables to drop to make it look the way you want it to look. Also if you consider dropping the close loses as games that they could have won then you also have to consider the close wins as games they could have lost.

Overall the spurs do not look like an elite championship caliber team so far. they have struggled against almost everyone and they have not done well overall against the better teams.


The front court is just too weak.

Can the spurs compete (in a sense of giving a hard fought effort) with the better teams Yes. Can they win a title with this team No.

The spurs overall record is inflated because of their weak schedule so far.
It will start to come back down to reality when the schedule gets tougher and as the season moves on then everyone will get a better read of how good they are.


Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

[EricB]

Injuries...should have won...officials...

If the Spurs were the ONLY team affected by these ills, your argument would merit some consideration. But they aren't.




I mostly agree there, I guess.


Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

[Cry Havoc]

Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

Bobcats. :hat

[rascal]

Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

2007 is a long time ago in terms of the nba. Teams have changed since then and what worked then may not work now.

Do not look to the past as an indicator of future success. You will be disappointed if you really think the spurs are going to win this year with their current roster as it is.

The spurs caught breaks in the playoffs in 2007. They were not the best team going into the playoffs that year but were closer to being near the top in 2007 then they are now.

[rascal]

Name me another top team that didn't have their top 2 players for about 15 games?

Duncan is the top player.

[HarlemHeat37]

that's irrelevant..

are you actually telling me that Orlando, Cleveland, LA and Boston would have the same records they do now if you took off Turkoglu, Nelson, Williams, Z, Gasol, Bynum, Allen, and Pierce? can you actually tell me that? Boston has been slumping WITH their guys, imagine without them for 15+ games..

[rascal]

Didn't you spout this same tired, and incorrect rhetoric in 2007?


Or are you gonna use excuses for why you were wrong then too?

Didn't you say the Spurs would beat the Lakers in 2008?

[rascal]

Uhm, so your ok with the N word being dropped in this thread?

Doesn't speak alot to your standing my friend.

Doesn't necessary mean someone is a racist. You don't know him neither do I.

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

[WayOutWest]

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

After the comment he made how can you drop the racist card? His comment had NOTHING to do with basketball, all he did was drop the "N" word.

Don't know how you can defend that idiotic comment.

[Cry Havoc]

Doesn't necessary mean someone is a racist. You don't know him neither do I.

What I do know is you do not agree with his basketball views so that plays into this whole racist accusation. Put the racist card away.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3022963&postcount=55

Keep talking, rascal.

[de Soto]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3022963&postcount=55

Keep talking, rascal.

"Just graduated"...hmmm...you didn't seem to LEARN anything, though.