Yes, Kobe is a cocky boy, but he does derseve it

[Rapper]

No one can be compared with him except Timmy

[Rogue]

Dirk is the best PF in the west, or even the whole league. Please don't kiss Timmy's ass, that'll only provoke him if you kiss his ass unless you were his wife.

[j-money24]

hahaa wasn't it you that said, pau was more "Valuable to the lakers"

[xtremesteven33]

1. Kobe

2. Lebron

[turiaf for president]

Dirk is the best PF in the west, or even the whole league. Please don't kiss Timmy's ass, that'll only provoke him if you kiss his ass unless you were his wife.

GTFO. 4 rings to none....... i would take duncan, garnett, bosh, and amare over dirk

[dirk4mvp]

GTFO. 4 rings to none....... i would take duncan, garnett, bosh, and amare over dirk

Rogue's a spurfan.

Good thing you don't have a gm job.

[td4mvp21]

Dirk better than Duncan :lmao

[tonylongoriafan]

No one can be compared with him except Timmy

wade, lebron, cp3, nowitzki, carmelo, amare, bosh, garrnet, peirce, arenas, mcgrady, nash, etc.

[YellowFever]

wade, lebron, cp3, nowitzki, carmelo, amare, bosh, garrnet, peirce, arenas, mcgrady, nash, etc.

Maybe, Probably, fail, fail, FAIL, FAIL, fail, FAIL, Major FAIL, Major FAIL, LAUGH OUT LOUD FAIL, ditto, etc.

[turiaf for president]

Rogue's a spurfan.

Good thing you don't have a gm job.

lets see. garnett is a defense force and a champion, bosh and amare are in their mid 20's. i bet cuban would trade dirk for bosh or amare right now

[j-money24]

tim duncan is the 2nd best PF of all time.. Karl Malone is the best PF of all time..

[YellowFever]

lets see. garnett is a defense force and a champion, bosh and amare are in their mid 20's. i bet cuban would trade dirk for bosh or amare right now


The operative word in that sentence is "Cuban".

He just might be dumb enough to do that trade.

[YellowFever]

tim duncan is the 2nd best PF of all time.. Karl Malone is the best PF of all time..

I'd give the nod to TD.

[ClingingMars]

tim duncan is the 2nd best PF of all time.. Karl Malone is the best PF of all time..

:lmao

that was a good joke

-Mars

[dirk4mvp]

lets see. garnett is a defense force and a champion, bosh and amare are in their mid 20's. i bet cuban would trade dirk for bosh or amare right now



Garnett's a second fiddle to Pierce. And no, he wouldn't. Dirk's better at everything basketball wise than Amare except for dunking.

[tonylongoriafan]

tim duncan is the 2nd best PF of all time.. Karl Malone is the best PF of all time..

karl malone is a distant 2nd...SCOREBOARD

[ClingingMars]

Garnett's a second fiddle to Pierce. And no, he wouldn't. Dirk's better at everything basketball wise than Amare except for dunking.

+1

except for choking but Amare's never really had the chance to choke.

-Mars

[dirk4mvp]

+1

except for choking but Amare's never really had the chance to choke.

-Mars



Besides that one playoff series against the Spurs, which he still lost, Amare's done next to nothing in the playoffs.

[tonylongoriafan]

Maybe, Probably, fail, fail, FAIL, FAIL, fail, FAIL, Major FAIL, Major FAIL, LAUGH OUT LOUD FAIL, ditto, etc.

in terms of being cocky and "derseving" it (and no one compares) NOT FAIL

[scanry]

Dirk >>>>> Bosh & Amare.

BTW Amare just picked up his 4th foul just into the 3rd quarter today (which isn't surprising tbh). Now that guy has a Basketball IQ off the charts.

[Rapper]

If you emphasize that there are some players who are better than Duncan in NBA, please tell me some strong evidence to support your sayings,

as a random guy mentioned, "four to none"

and you see that the spurs has been ranking NO:1 to No :3 in the western conference every season since the spurs selected Tim Duncan in 1997 NBA draft

11 time all star, 11 time All first team, 4 time championships, 3 time Final MVP. 2 time MVP of regular season. his average statistics of per season are double-double

Man please tell me what Dirk did in his past seasons

[YellowFever]

in terms of being cocky and "derseving" it (and no one compares) NOT FAIL

Cocky....?
Sure, Kobe is probably the most cocky sumbitch in the NBA.

Deserving what, though?

[dirk4mvp]

If you emphasize that there are some players are better than Duncan, please tell me some strong evidence to suport your sayings,

as a roandom guy mentioned, "four to none"

and you see that the spurs has been ranking NO:1 to No :3 in the western conference every season sice the spurs selected Tim Duncan in 1997 NBA draft

11 time all star, 11 time All first team, 4 time championships, 3 time Final MVP. 2 time MVP of regular season. his average statistics of per season are double-double

Man please tell me what Dirk did in his past seasons


Besides the one guy who is spurfan who changed his team the the Mavericks as a joke, who is comparing Duncan and Dirk? What the hell do they teach you in China?

[ClingingMars]

Besides that one playoff series against the Spurs, which he still lost, Amare's done next to nothing in the playoffs.

and it's not hard to dunk the ball when you've had one of the best passing PGs in the league for a while now.

-Mars

[j-money24]

karl malone is a distant 2nd...SCOREBOARD
Malone>>>Duncan
and not even close.

[ClingingMars]

Malone>>>Duncan
and not even close.

keep drinking that kool-aid :hat

-Mars

[YellowFever]

Malone>>>Duncan
and not even close.

I don't know if you really believe that or you're just trying to piss off the nice little spurs fans but, dude, every game TD plays here on end, it's just that much more distance he's putting between himself and Malone.

[scanry]

wade, lebron, cp3, nowitzki, carmelo, amare, bosh, garrnet, peirce, arenas, mcgrady, nash, etc.

The only player atm that deserves to be compared to Duncan & Shaq in terms of career achievements is Kobe. However when it's all said and done Duncan will have a far better career stats than Kobe.

Duncan's:

1996-97 NCAA AP Player of the Year
1996-97 NCAA John R. Wooden Award
1996-97 NCAA Naismith Men's College Player of the Year Award
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USBWA_College_Player_of_the_Year)1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) Rookie of the Year
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) League MVP
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) Finals MVP
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) League MVP
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) Finals MVP
1998-2009 11 Time All-Star (Starting)
1994-95 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1995-96 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1996-97 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-NBA (1st)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-Rookie (1st)
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) All-Defensive (1st)
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) All-NBA (1st)
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2000-01 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001.html) All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
2003-04 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004.html) All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html) All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html) All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html) All-NBA (2nd)

Now that is one impressive stat stuffer. :wow:wow:wow

[Rapper]

The only player atm that deserves to be compared to Duncan & Shaq in terms of career achievements is Kobe. However when it's all said and done Duncan will have more impressive resume than Kobe.

Duncan's:

1996-97 NCAA AP Player of the Year
1996-97 NCAA John R. Wooden Award
1996-97 NCAA Naismith Men's College Player of the Year Award
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USBWA_College_Player_of_the_Year)1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) Rookie of the Year
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) Finals MVP
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-Star Game MVP
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) League MVP
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) Finals MVP
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) League MVP
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) Finals MVP
1998-2009 11 Time All-Star (Starting)
1994-95 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1995-96 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1996-97 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-NBA (1st)
1997-98 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html) All-Rookie (1st)
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) All-Defensive (1st)
1998-99 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999.html) All-NBA (1st)
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2000.html) All-NBA (1st)
2000-01 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2000-01 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2001.html) All-NBA (1st)
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002.html) All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html) All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
2003-04 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004.html) All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2004-05 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html) All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html) All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html) All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html) All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html) All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html) All-NBA (2nd)

Now that is one impressive stat stuffer. :wow:wow:wow


Nice statistics

[j-money24]

well in my opinion, if u put the duncan's spurs in the 1990s.. they would not have won any championships, they would be just like the jazz, getting beat by the bulls, just look at the difference between the spurs had to face and jazz who had to face...malone had to play the best team ever in jordan bulls.
spurs last 3 nba finals where against the nets, pistons and the cavs. and also against the 8th seed in 1999. only the pistons were a championship-calibar team. and i do think the suns where the better team in 2007, but again i dont hate duncan or anything. i think hes a great player but in my opinion Malone beats him for the best PF of all time.

[scanry]

well in my opinion, if u put the duncan's spurs in the 1990s.. they would not have won any championships, they would be just like the jazz, getting beat by the bulls, just look at the difference between the spurs had to face and jazz who had to face...malone had to play the best team ever in jordan bulls.
spurs last 3 nba finals where against the nets, pistons and the cavs. and also against the 8th seed in 1999. only the pistons were a championship-calibar team. and i do think the suns where the better team in 2007, but again i dont hate duncan or anything. i think hes a great player but in my opinion Malone beats him for the best PF of all time.

Neither would the Lakers.

However Malone is a chock artist and unlike Duncan, he never really carried the Jazz. It was always Stockton who made big shots when they were down, or even defensive stops.

David West (less talent i might add) is exactly what Malone was and without Stockton, Malone wouldn't be nearly as effective.

Malone also never made his teammates better.

[YellowFever]

well in my opinion, if u put the duncan's spurs in the 1990s.. they would not have won any championships, they would be just like the jazz, getting beat by the bulls, just look at the difference between the spurs had to face and jazz who had to face...malone had to play the best team ever in jordan bulls.
spurs last 3 nba finals where against the nets, pistons and the cavs. and also against the 8th seed in 1999. only the pistons were a championship-calibar team. and i do think the suns where the better team in 2007, but again i dont hate duncan or anything. i think hes a great player but in my opinion Malone beats him for the best PF of all time.

Valid points but on the flip side of that coin, I don't think even a Jordan lead Bulls team would have won 6 titles facing the Lakers earlier this decade or TD lead spurs of this decade. I don't think TD is on the same level as a fit Shaq or a Jordan (please spurs fans....no whining...) but he did win rings in what I think was a much harder road than what the Bulls faced in the ninties.

Name one memorable team while the Bulls were winning those rings?

TD faced his tough competition and came out ahead.
Malone wilted under the pressure.

[dav4463]

tim duncan is the 2nd best PF of all time.. Karl Malone is the best PF of all time..

Even Malone would tell you Duncan is the best PF of all time.

[j-money24]

i think the 00-02 lakers where better than any spurs team this decade. i wouldnt say the lakers would have beaten the bulls every time but i agree with you that they wouldn't have 6 championships if they had to face the lakers.

[Rapper]

well in my opinion, if u put the duncan's spurs in the 1990s.. they would not have won any championships, they would be just like the jazz, getting beat by the bulls, just look at the difference between the spurs had to face and jazz who had to face...malone had to play the best team ever in jordan bulls.
spurs last 3 nba finals where against the nets, pistons and the cavs. and also against the 8th seed in 1999. only the pistons were a championship-calibar team. and i do think the suns where the better team in 2007, but again i dont hate duncan or anything. i think hes a great player but in my opinion Malone beats him for the best PF of all time.

Kinda disagreed.

The 2002 nets, 2004 pistons and 2007 cavs were absolutely the best teams or at least the most competitive teams at that time. can you guarantee that Jordan would have beat those teams if they had played against each other in the same time?

And how can you think that a player who doesn't have a ring is the best PF in NBA of all time?

No persuasiveness at all

[scanry]

Valid points but on the flip side of that coin, I don't think even a Jordan lead Bulls team would have won 6 titles facing the Lakers earlier this decade or TD lead spurs of this decade. I don't think TD is on the same level as a fit Shaq or a Jordan (please spurs fans....no whining...) but he did win rings in what I think was a much harder road than what the Bulls faced in the ninties.

Name one memorable team while the Bulls were winning those rings?

TD faced his tough competition and came out ahead.
Malone wilted under the pressure.


Didn't TD bitch slap your team the very next year (2003). BTW Duncan posted better numbers than Shaq when they met in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, should i continue with the rest.

[cobbler]

Didn't TD bitch slap your team the very next year (2003). BTW Duncan posted better numbers than Shaq when they met in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, should i continue with the rest.

Kobe was usually the Spurs killer. Not Shaq.

[YellowFever]

Didn't TD bitch slap your team the very next year (2003). BTW Duncan posted better numbers than Shaq when they met in 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, should i continue with the rest.

Oh geez, this is what I get for trying to defend TD.

No....why don't you post all the stats from that year, Spurs Fan.

Obviously I'm too lazy (or couldn't give a flying f**k) to look up the individual stats for those years.

And yes, the spurs bitch-slapped the Lakers that year.
Just as the Lakers bitch-slapped the spurs two time previously.

You want stats?

How's this: MJ wouldn't be anywhere near top 5 all time player is you look at stats...how's that?

[scanry]

Oh geez, this is what I get for trying to defend TD.

No....why don't you post all the stats from that year, Spurs Fan.

Obviously I'm too lazy (or couldn't give a flying f**k) to look up the individual stats for those years.

And yes, the spurs bitch-slapped the Lakers that year.
Just as the Lakers bitch-slapped the spurs two time previously.

You want stats?

How's this: MJ wouldn't be anywhere near top 5 all time player is you look at stats...how's that?

That's because he's right at the top dickweed. :rollin

[YellowFever]

Kobe was usually the Spurs killer. Not Shaq.

And that's another thing, while I'm at it.

How come you spurs fans keep saying Kobe rode Shaq's coat-tail to those three rings?

We all know those battles with the spurs were the REAL championship games.

The Sixers and the Pacers and the Nets were just after thoughts when there were no REAL challenges and shaq just walked all over them.

Who had more impact on those Lakers/Spurs battles?

[scanry]

Kobe was usually the Spurs killer. Not Shaq.

That i agree. Shaq never dominates a game on both sides of the floor. That's why he never really dominated Duncan, and the same goes to Duncan. However Duncan plays far superior defense.

[YellowFever]

That's because he's right at the top dickweed. :rollin

LoL....

"dickweed"...I like that.

I'll take that as a sign I won this one.

[IronMexican]

Shaq's prime vs Duncan's = 3-2.

[timtonymanu]

funny how the thread title talks about Kobe, but all the posts are about the best PF's.

[JoeTait75]

:nope

You guys still dont get it.

1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. CP3
4. James

You can never be the best player in the leauge when you are 6'9 with no post up game, and teams defensive plan is to force you to shoot jumpers.

What a shame. A nice thread celebrating the greatness of Kobe Bryant, and some idiot has to come along and pop off.

[lil_penny]

Malone>>>Duncan
and not even close.

X2

[turiaf for president]

What a shame. A nice thread celebrating the greatness of Kobe Bryant, and some idiot has to come along and pop off.

while i dont agree with his rankings, your sig made me laugh. must suck having to put 1 conference championship in the last 30 years

[JoeTait75]

while i dont agree with his rankings, your sig made me laugh. must suck having to put 1 conference championship in the last 30 years

It ain't much, but it's ours, and I'm gonna represent it.

I have a feeling I'll be adding a little more to my sig before too long, though...

[hater]

wade, lebron, cp3, nowitzki, carmelo, amare, bosh, garrnet, peirce, arenas, mcgrady, nash, etc.

:lmao

Arenas? Mcgrady? Nash? Garnett? Bosch??? :lmao

[Medvedenko]

I just read that after the Sunday game Kobe passed MJ as the player to have the most points ever while being coached by Phil Jackson.....it took him longer of course 8 years instead of 7 years. But it's still an interesting stat.

[TheMACHINE]

It ain't much, but it's ours, and I'm gonna represent it.

I have a feeling I'll be adding a little more to my sig before too long, though...

ur gonna add: 2009 Best record in the East ?

[de Soto]

Regardless of what people think of Kobe personally, on basketball court he's the shit.

[DrHouse]

Kobe is an adulterer.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Most clutch performer in the nba today, enough said!!

[manufor3]

Malone>>>Duncan
and not even close.

:lol:lol:lol

good joke, okay now lets get serious

[Rogue]

kobe is a virago

[spursfan09]

I like Kobe. He's not too bad. I've seen players with less accomplishments act very cocky and act as though they are entitled to something *cough*ChrisPaul*cough* ahem. Anyway. Also I like to point out the fact that Kobe has less c-ships than Tim D, and has not won one without Shaq, so until then, I still seem Tim with the edge.