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Amuseddaysleeper
01-15-2009, 12:13 PM
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Mason Provides Exciting Ending To Spurs' Win Over Lakers
Stein

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
(Archive)

SAN ANTONIO -- He makes the big shots and gets the crunch-time call when he collides in midair with Derek Fisher.

Looks like Roger Mason is a bigger free-agent steal than the San Antonio Spurs had ever allowed themselves to believe.

So we have to talk about that first.

Remember that Mason dagger from the corner that beat Phoenix at the buzzer on Christmas Day? That was a yawn compared to the wild scenes of Wednesday night, when Mason was not only asked to replace Bruce Bowen as the Spurs' primary Kobe Bryant defender but also intersected in the final seconds with the most notorious Spurs Killer not named Kobe Bryant ... and out-Fishered him.

"Typical Spurs-Lakers stuff," Bryant said with a smile, trying to shrug off the crazy back-and-forth of a final 28.9 seconds that somehow left San Antonio clinging to a 112-111 victory.

"That's how it is," Kobe continued. "I hope they get it out of their system and there are no bullets left."

It was the first encounter for these teams since last spring's Western Conference Finals ... and it was honestly more than anyone could have hoped for. Except that the amazing ending to this game of ridiculously good execution and shot-making really wasn't so typical.

Not in this building. Not when Fisher's involved. Surely you're aware, if you've followed this Spurs-Lakers stuff with any regularity, that it's rare when the final play doesn't go Fisher's way at the AT&T Center.

Exhibit A for the forgetful: Fisher's crushing shot to beat the Spurs in Game 5 of a second-round series in 2004 after catching, spinning and shooting with four-tenths of a second on the clock. Exhibit B: Fisher landing on Brent Barry -- but avoiding a whistle -- on the last shot in Game 4 of the 2008 conference finals.

Asked to do a little reflecting after the crowd around his locker dispersed late Wednesday, Fisher conceded: "I guess I've been involved in some interesting moments here."

This, however, is January.

So ...

Sweet as it was for the Spurs to see Mason (18 points) shake free from Fisher near the baseline, gather Matt Bonner's hurried fastball pass and do what Barry couldn't -- initiate contact but also draw the foul as he banged home a long jumper that put him on the line for the decisive point -- there is only so much vengeance San Antonio can claim from a regular-season game. Even an extraordinary regular-season game during which Bryant, before Mason's magic, responded to Tim Duncan's go-ahead heave in the lane by splashing in his own 3-pointer from the left wing with 12.9 seconds remaining.

Which brings us to Part 2 of this tale.

That would be the part about the Lakers looking so good with three regulars out and dressing only eight guys Phil Jackson trusted to play on the second night of a back-to-back. (Fine: It's nine if you count Sun Yue's 82-second stint.)

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said something afterward about how "what goes around comes around," in an apparent reference to San Antonio's luck with Fisher, but Pop's words were a lot louder last week when he said of the purple and gold: "We're just not in the same league with the Lakers right now."

You have to wonder how he sees it after this.

Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic and Luke Walton are sidelined by injury. Odom isn't all the way back after rushing back this week from a bruised knee after sitting out just three games. Fisher managed to suffer a groin injury during Wednesday's busy proceedings but was cleared to return for the finish after some quickie treatment from Lakers flexibility specialist Alex McKechnie.

Yet none of that stopped the Lakers, after winning the previous night in Houston, from finding the gas to erase San Antonio's 11-point lead with 6:55 to play.

"That was a big game for us," Jackson said. "This was a game that I was proud of the guys for coming back and playing like that. [San Antonio has] been here for three days waiting for us."

So Jackson could live with the Lakers' final possession, when San Antonio forced the ball out of Bryant's hands, only for Trevor Ariza to be hit with a traveling call as he drove to the bucket. He saw no need to chastise Bryant for what turned out to be a premature rendition of Sam Cassell's infamous celebration dance, after Kobe's 3 put L.A. up 111-109. Like Popovich with Mason, Jackson clearly enjoyed having options -- such as using the long-limbed Ariza to guard Parker or putting Andrew Bynum (18 points) on Duncan -- that he didn't have in May.

The comeback, even in defeat, might have made a louder statement about L.A.'s well-chronicled depth than anything we've seen all season. The rally actually gathered steam when Kobe found himself running side pick-and-rolls in crunch time with the little-used Josh Powell on back-to-back possessions ... both of them ending with Powell leaving his hand in the air to punctuate a drained mid-range jumper after rolling into daylight and getting the ball from the blitzed Bryant.

Let's be clear here: San Antonio should get a tangible boost from pulling this one out. Manu Ginobili scored a season-high 27 points -- which included a buzzer-beating 3 to cap an equally chaotic final minute of the third quarter -- with the sort of power in his legs that we never saw when the teams met in the playoffs. Duncan had two big buckets in the final 1:15 and quietly flirted with a triple-double (20 points, 10 rebounds and eight assists). The Spurs also indoctrinated rookie George Hill to the rivalry with 14 quality minutes and wound up enhancing Mason's growing reputation to the point that no one even remembered to ask Popovich why Bowen received only six minutes off the bench.

Yet it's no secret in NBA front-office circles that the Spurs, in spite of their limited trade assets, hope to acquire at least one more quality player before the Feb. 19 trade deadline. It would be tough, on this evidence, to dispute the theory that they'll need another big man or another scoring threat to move into what Pop is now referring to as the Lakers' league.

That's especially true if the Lakers -- given all of their health issues -- can bank on the following claim from Bryant as L.A. prepares for two more immediate challenges: Orlando visits Staples Center on Friday, followed by Cleveland on Monday.

Before racking up 29 points, 10 assists and seven boards in defeat, when asked in a pregame chat if he can withstand L.A.'s wave of injuries, Kobe said: "I feel as good as I've felt in a long time."



Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

Bruno
01-15-2009, 12:30 PM
Yet it's no secret in NBA front-office circles that the Spurs, in spite of their limited trade assets, hope to acquire at least one more quality player before the Feb. 19 trade deadline. It would be tough, on this evidence, to dispute the theory that they'll need another big man or another scoring threat to move into what Pop is now referring to as the Lakers' league.

If Spurs aren't ready to take a player with a post 2010 contract, they will have a hard time turning lead into gold. Anyway, we wills see what will happens but it won't be easy for Spurs to do a significant (and good!) trade.

tav1
01-15-2009, 12:37 PM
If Spurs aren't ready to take a player with a post 2010 contract, they will have a hard time turning lead into gold. Anyway, we wills see what will happens but it won't be easy for Spurs to do a significant (and good!) trade.

Here's a question: who are the Spurs willing to part with. We assume Udoka and Vaughn. Bowen? Oberto? Mahinmi? Will teams ask for Hill? That's still not much in terms of tradeable assets.

TheMACHINE
01-15-2009, 12:38 PM
oh man..i forgot.....Orlando and Cleveland up next....sheesh....tuff week.

LA24
01-15-2009, 12:41 PM
oh man..i forgot.....Orlando and Cleveland up next....sheesh....tuff week.

Not to mention we play the Spurs again next Sunday !! Well, at least it'll be in LA this time.

Amuseddaysleeper
01-15-2009, 12:51 PM
Not to mention we play the Spurs again next Sunday !! Well, at least it'll be in LA this time.

Lakers will def. win next Sunday

cool hand
01-15-2009, 01:03 PM
ass kissing lakers lovers. the spurs weren't out for revenge, they were out to win a game. nothing more/nothing less. like always.

koriwhat
01-15-2009, 01:18 PM
"That was a big game for us," Jackson said. "This was a game that I was proud of the guys for coming back and playing like that. [San Antonio has] been here for three days waiting for us."

it's always excuses when mr. coat tail riding pj loses.

Killakobe81
01-15-2009, 01:24 PM
No excuses good win ...there were funny calls BOTH ways but the SPurs breaks came late ...

Bruno
01-15-2009, 01:43 PM
Here's a question: who are the Spurs willing to part with. We assume Udoka and Vaughn. Bowen? Oberto? Mahinmi? Will teams ask for Hill? That's still not much in terms of tradeable assets.

A player by player breakdown :

Duncan, Ginobili, Parker : I highly doubt Spurs are even considering trading one.

Hairston : He can't be traded before the deadline by CBA rules.

Finley : He must agreed before being traded. He has a low trade value and Pop likes him. So Finley being traded seems to be a really long shot.

Mason : Fit really well with the team and hasn't a that high trade value. He should be quite safe.

Bowen : I don't think he will traded unless Spurs have no other choices to include him in a trade to match salaries.

Hill : The question is, can he play SG on a consistent basis ? If Spurs thinks that he can't, his playoff playing time will be limited at 10-12mpg. If a rebuilding team see him as their future starting PG and are ready to give up a lot for him, trading him makes a lot of sense. If Spurs don't have really good offers for him and/or if Spurs thinks he can play SG against a lot of teams, he will stay.

Mahinmi : I doubt a team will offer something for an unproven injured player. If Spurs have given up on him, he could be included as a filler in a trade. If Spurs have still some hope, keeping him is smarter than trading him for nothing.

Oberto, Bonner, Thomas : If Spurs do a trade for a big, at least one of them should be gone. I don't really think one is more on the trading block than the others but teams could be more interested in Oberto because of his contract that is only 50% guaranteed in 2009-2010.

Vaughn, Udoka : Both are out of the rotation. Both have friendly expiring contracts. While Spurs have no reason to trade them, they are perfect trade fillers.

Ed Helicopter Jones
01-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Why don't they say the Spurs were short-handed last night? After all, Mahinmi is hurt and Oberto is not 100%.

If the Lakers were without Bryant or Gasol I'd of given them credit for being short handed. Heck, 8 healthy players? That would be one more than Mike D'Antoni would need for an entire playoff run.

easjer
01-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Why don't they say the Spurs were short-handed last night? After all, Mahinmi is hurt and Oberto is not 100%.

If the Lakers were without Bryant or Gasol I'd of given them credit for being short handed. Heck, 8 healthy players? That would be one more than Mike D'Antoni would need for an entire playoff run.

:lol

Excellent point.

tmtcsc
01-15-2009, 02:07 PM
Lakers will def. win next Sunday

That's a bullshit thing to say. The Spurs can play much better defense than they did last night. It will be tough but the Spurs may put it together and win on the road.

tmtcsc
01-15-2009, 02:12 PM
"Fisher managed to suffer a groin injury during Wednesday's busy proceedings but was cleared to return for the finish after some quickie treatment from Lakers flexibility specialist Alex McKechnie."

He looked just fine. They were without Sasha, Farmar and Walton but the bench did a great job filling in. Only 5 can play at one time and we pretty much played without Bruce and Oberto.And Powell...Where did that guy come from ? Let's face it, even Powell was heard muttering "Who the fuck am I ?" when he entered the game.

The_Game
01-15-2009, 03:18 PM
Why don't they say the Spurs were short-handed last night? After all, Mahinmi is hurt and Oberto is not 100%.

If the Lakers were without Bryant or Gasol I'd of given them credit for being short handed. Heck, 8 healthy players? That would be one more than Mike D'Antoni would need for an entire playoff run.

because those players you mentioned are garbage

sasha, walton and farmer are better than the two of the spurs.

iggypop123
01-15-2009, 03:25 PM
is oberto even in the rotation? the guys we were missing all play. if it had been radmanovic and powell hurt nobody would even mention it

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 03:28 PM
This is the same group of fans who continually whine about Ginobili being hurt last season. Hypocrites.

EricB
01-15-2009, 03:38 PM
This is the same group of fans who continually whine about Ginobili being hurt last season. Hypocrites.

Then don't fucking come around.

EricB
01-15-2009, 03:39 PM
That's a bullshit thing to say. The Spurs can play much better defense than they did last night. It will be tough but the Spurs may put it together and win on the road.


It's amused's MO.

td4mvp21
01-15-2009, 03:41 PM
This is the same group of fans who continually whine about Ginobili being hurt last season. Hypocrites.

Right and Lakers fans dismissed it. So why can't we dismiss the Laker injuries? Just out of curiosity.

tmtcsc
01-15-2009, 03:44 PM
Ginobili's injury = Farmar, Sasha and Walton ? He's got more game than all 3 combined.

Please.

ClingingMars
01-15-2009, 05:17 PM
Ginobili's injury = Farmar, Sasha and Walton ? He's got more game than all 3 combined.

Please.

Drom John
01-15-2009, 05:23 PM
Splitter?

Draft picks?

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 05:26 PM
And you fail to mention the Lakers were missing Bynum and Ariza who collectively make more of an impact on the game than Ginobili. So again, you fail.

EricB
01-15-2009, 05:30 PM
And you fail to mention the Lakers were missing Bynum and Ariza who collectively make more of an impact on the game than Ginobili. So again, you fail.


How many all star games and playoff victories have those two contributed to again?

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 05:33 PM
How many all star games and playoff victories have those two contributed to again?

So you need to have made the All-Star game and been in the playoffs to contribute in the NBA? In that case WTF do you expect Roger Mason to do for you?

What an incredibly weak and horrible argument. I'm sorry but if the Lakers called up the Spurs and said they would trade Bynum+Ariza for Manu the Spurs wouldn't even think twice. Hell they wouldn't think twice if the Lakers only offered Bynum.

z0sa
01-15-2009, 05:37 PM
So you need to have made the All-Star game and been in the playoffs to contribute in the NBA? In that case WTF do you expect Roger Mason to do for you?

What an incredibly weak and horrible argument. I'm sorry but if the Lakers called up the Spurs and said they would trade Bynum+Ariza for Manu the Spurs wouldn't even think twice. Hell they wouldn't think twice if the Lakers only offered Bynum.

:lmao in your dreams, even for both of them.

Nathan Explosion
01-15-2009, 05:52 PM
Bynum and Ariza do not contribute more than Gino. That's just plain stupid to say. Gino is part of the big 3 for the Spurs. He's a 3-time champion and a gold medalist. He was the best player on that gold medal team.

Bynum and Ariza can't be mentioned in the same breath as Gino. Only a big Laker homer would say something that dumb.

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 05:56 PM
Bynum and Ariza collectively make more of an impact than Manu Ginobili.

The Spurs front office wouldn't think twice if that deal was on the table. You have a distorted view of what Manu is actually worth at this stage of his career, the Spurs couldn't even get half that for him right now.

DieMrBond
01-15-2009, 06:16 PM
Bynum and Ariza collectively make more of an impact than Manu Ginobili.

The Spurs front office wouldn't think twice if that deal was on the table. You have a distorted view of what Manu is actually worth at this stage of his career, the Spurs couldn't even get half that for him right now.

Yeah, they wouldn't think twice about saying no.

EricB
01-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Bynum and Ariza collectively make more of an impact than Manu Ginobili.

The Spurs front office wouldn't think twice if that deal was on the table. You have a distorted view of what Manu is actually worth at this stage of his career, the Spurs couldn't even get half that for him right now.


Points combined, who scored more.

Ariza and Bynum, or Ginobili.

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 06:33 PM
:lmao. Talk about delusional fans.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

DrHouse
01-15-2009, 06:34 PM
Points combined, who scored more.

Ariza and Bynum, or Ginobili.

Right because pts scored is the only way you can impact a game. Are you seriously this dumb?

WayOutWest
01-15-2009, 06:48 PM
Right because pts scored is the only way you can impact a game. Are you seriously this dumb?

May I answer that question? :lol

phyzik
01-15-2009, 06:54 PM
:lmao. Talk about delusional fans.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

Would you trade Kobe for Kurt Thomas and George Hill?

DannyT
01-15-2009, 06:59 PM
"Fisher managed to suffer a groin injury during Wednesday's busy proceedings but was cleared to return for the finish after some quickie treatment from Lakers flexibility specialist Alex McKechnie."





he was suffering from something because at the 3 minute mark when he came back in he was stretching the shit outta his groin and then Tony P asked him if he was ok...so they knew he was fucked up...

nkdlunch
01-15-2009, 07:05 PM
You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

:lol hell no!!

is this for real??? ARiza has not proven shit yet. actually last night he proved he is not ready for prime time. and Bynum.... :lol overpayed, overweight and overrated

drhouse whatever shit you are smoking, is some good shit

HarlemHeat37
01-15-2009, 07:10 PM
Bynum is an above average player with a huge contract..he isn't as good as he showed vs. the Spurs, he hasn't been nearly that good this season..24% of his points are dunks, and 90% of them are assisted..the fact that he plays with Kobe and even Gasol, is huge for him..

the Lakers got him for defense and rebounding..he's disappointed in both categories, especially defensively..he adds offense to a team that didn't need any more offense..you can talk all the bullshit about him allowing Pau to play his natural position..it's true, but what he's doing isn't worth nearly the amount he was paid..he's a soft, overrated player..sorry to break it to you..

Ariza is a good role player, he would help our team.

hater
01-15-2009, 07:21 PM
:lol hell no!!

is this for real??? ARiza has not proven shit yet. actually last night he proved he is not ready for prime time. and Bynum.... :lol overpayed, overweight and overrated

drhouse whatever shit you are smoking, is some good shit

Thompson
01-15-2009, 07:25 PM
Here's a question: who are the Spurs willing to part with. We assume Udoka and Vaughn. Bowen? Oberto? Mahinmi? Will teams ask for Hill? That's still not much in terms of tradeable assets.

The Clippers have a glut of big men and are going nowhere, and it has been mentioned before they'd like to get rid of one of them. If they get desperate enough just to dump salary, they might go for something like this.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=

We might throw in a 2nd rounder and maybe even some cash to help buy Bowen out; Bowen could then return to S.A., hopefully, on a contract ending in time for 2010. Oberto's contract has a team option on it this summer, I think, and Vaughn's ends after this season. L.A. would have a lot of cap room for this offseason.

Here's another trade I might consider, but probably only if the Spurs can't bring Splitter over this summer or next.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=866~3233~3416&teams=22~22~24&te=&cash=

This would get us the long SF we've been wanting, and Portland as a younger team can afford to wait on Splitter; he might be especially useful to them, as they are going to have trouble paying all of their talented young players (especially after Miles plays another game) in the coming years. In addition to a good, cheap big man, they get their veteran Udoka back, whom they seemed to like (just not enough to match the huge bluff offer his agent said he had).

nkdlunch
01-15-2009, 07:28 PM
camby in the spurs next to duncan. wow. that would be sick

Baseline
01-15-2009, 08:43 PM
You guys realize that at this time last year, the Lakers gave up Kwame, Crittenden, and a pick to Memphis for Pau Gasol.

That is the equivalent of the Spurs trading Vaughn (a third string PG), Oberto (a rotation big), and a pick to the Lakers right now for Gasol.

Well, that would be the dumbest trade in NBA history.

So, Memphis' trade last year was the dumbest in NBA history. So dumb, in fact, that it reaked of conspiracy. No wonder Pop - who never says anything about anything - actually said something about it.

Cry Havoc
01-15-2009, 08:52 PM
:lmao. Talk about delusional fans.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

Who, exactly, is Ariza again? What the hell would he do for the Spurs that Manu doesn't?

Bynum would be okay to have.... as a 4th or 5th scoring option on the team. Two completely unproven players for one of the most clutch performers in Spurs history? Crazy. If we were in a rebuilding year, you would have a point, because we would get younger and have a big to go with it. We aren't. We're in title contention year. Just wait to see Duncan in the playoffs, when he embarrasses Gasol and Bynum in the post. You think he's playing at 100%? Laugh. He didn't even try on defense yesterday.

Lakers fans would SALIVATE if they got Manu. Kobe and Manu on the court together? No team in the NBA would slow those two down.

Lakers homers are just hilarious.

ElNono
01-15-2009, 09:39 PM
:lmao. Talk about delusional fans.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

Ariza who?

tmtcsc
01-16-2009, 12:01 AM
:lmao. Talk about delusional fans.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't trade Ginobili for Bynum and Ariza right now? Are you fucking kidding me?

You got to be out yo mutha fuckin mind if you think we'd trade the white pimp for those two jakes. You don't get it. Manu IS OUR KOBE. He's a killa. Those 2 dudes haven't done shit in their short careers. Not even a question.

End of URBAN VERNACULAR here.

DrHouse
01-16-2009, 12:05 AM
You are not being rational.

There is no way on this planet the Spurs would refuse an offer of Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza for Manu Ginobili. Manu maybe has 1-2 seasons left to perform at this level assuming he manages to stay injury free (which is no guarantee).

Andrew Bynum is just barely scratching the surface of what he's capable of. The Spurs would basically have Duncan's replacement waiting in the wings. Ariza is a stellar player and would fit right into SAS's defensive philosophy. He could do Bowen's job acceptably.

Like I said before, your FO would do the trade even if it was just Bynum. There is absolutely no way they turn that down. Absolutely no way.

tmtcsc
01-16-2009, 01:06 AM
You are not being rational.

There is no way on this planet the Spurs would refuse an offer of Andrew Bynum and Trevor Ariza for Manu Ginobili. Manu maybe has 1-2 seasons left to perform at this level assuming he manages to stay injury free (which is no guarantee).

Andrew Bynum is just barely scratching the surface of what he's capable of. The Spurs would basically have Duncan's replacement waiting in the wings. Ariza is a stellar player and would fit right into SAS's defensive philosophy. He could do Bowen's job acceptably.

Like I said before, your FO would do the trade even if it was just Bynum. There is absolutely no way they turn that down. Absolutely no way.

Nope, they would not do that. I don't think you realize how important Manu is to this team. Before last season, Kobe wanted to ship Bynum out of town and Ariza was a young, often injured player with alot of POTENTIAL.

Manu Ginobili is the real deal with hardware to prove it. He's in the top 5 at his position. The Spurs philosophy is WIN NOW. Potential is over rated.

DrHouse
01-16-2009, 01:41 AM
Nope, we're gonna have to agree to disagree here guys.

Bynum and Ariza would make the Spurs competitive now and in the future. They could start:

PG: Parker
SG: Finley
SF: Ariza
PF: Duncan
C: Bynum

That's the makings of one hell of a defensive lineup.

anakha
01-16-2009, 01:59 AM
Nope, we're gonna have to agree to disagree here guys.

Bynum and Ariza would make the Spurs competitive now and in the future. They could start:

PG: Parker
SG: Mason
SF: Ariza
PF: Duncan
C: Bynum

That's the makings of one hell of a defensive lineup.

FIFY

Brutalis
01-16-2009, 04:46 AM
What an incredibly weak and horrible argument. I'm sorry but if the Lakers called up the Spurs and said they would trade Bynum+Ariza for Manu the Spurs wouldn't even think twice. Hell they wouldn't think twice if the Lakers only offered Bynum.

:rollin

These dumb asses never cease to amaze me. Fakers at their best as usual.