Lebron James you are not and will never be the closer Kobe and MJ are

[Ghazi]

A better debate is who is better, a healthy Dwayne Wade or Kobe.

Neither belongs in the same breath as the King :hat

[Allanon]

That was a great shot by LeBron tonight, gotta give him props for that.

But even guys like Eduardo Najera can hit game winners once in awhile. Let's wait until LeBron does it a little more often before we change his name to King Clutch. Let's not forget he had a couple of bricks in a similar clutch situation to the Bulls just a week or two ago.

[mystargtr34]

That was a great shot by LeBron tonight, gotta give him props for that.

But even guys like Eduardo Najera can hit game winners once in awhile. Let's wait until LeBron does it a little more often before we change his name to King Clutch. Let's not forget he had a couple of bricks in a similar clutch situation to the Bulls just a week or two ago.

LeBron already has a clutch performance in the playoffs that trumps anything Kobe has done in his career. That rampage against Detroit in 06 in one of the best of all time.

[Allanon]

LeBron already has a clutch performance in the playoffs that trumps anything Kobe has done in his career. That rampage against Detroit in 06 in one of the best of all time.

That was one great performance. If Kobe had only one great performance, we wouldn't be talking about him now.

Kobe's tied MJ in game winners, but for LeBron we're talking about 1 great performance years ago and a game winner tonight for LeBron plus another one from january last year I think. Kobe's had almost 3 just this month.

Give LeBron some time to improve his clutchness. He'll get it if he works at it.

[mystargtr34]

That was one great performance. If Kobe had only one great performance, we wouldn't be talking about him now.

Kobe's tied MJ in game winners, but for LeBron we're talking about 1 great performance years ago and a game winner tonight for LeBron.

Give LeBron some time to improve his clutchness. He'll get it if he works at it.

It might be one but its one thats better than any of Kobe's. You can talk strictly game winners - but most people define clutch as the last 2 minutes of a game and overtime. LeBron has better numbers than Kobe in those situations.

I still think Kobe is more clutch, and i would rather him taking the last shot between the two - but LeBron is DOMINANT down the stretch - numbers back that up. Thats all im sayin.

[Allanon]

It might be one but its one thats better than any of Kobe's. You can talk strictly game winners - but most people define clutch as the last 2 minutes of a game and overtime. LeBron has better numbers than Kobe in those situations.

I still think Kobe is more clutch, and i would rather him taking the last shot between the two - but LeBron is DOMINANT down the stretch - numbers back that up. Thats all im sayin.

There is no doubt that LeBron is dominant.

I can even buy into the argument that he's the most dominant 43 minute player. I just think at this point, Kobe's still more clutch and if the game was on the line, I'd rather have the ball in Kobe's hands.

[Duncanoypi]

That was a great shot by LeBron tonight, gotta give him props for that.

But even guys like Eduardo Najera can hit game winners once in awhile. Let's wait until LeBron does it a little more often before we change his name to King Clutch. Let's not forget he had a couple of bricks in a similar clutch situation to the Bulls just a week or two ago.

Lebron hits a great shot! a game winner...and your counter was Eduardo Najera? COme on.:lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

Ever since that year where Lebron beat the Wizards twice in that same round in the playoffs....he has been extremely clutch. Numbers prove it. He may not hit the actual game winning shot, but he takes over down the stretch. One reason is because he is willing to pass it to guys like West with the game on the line.

[JoeTait75]

That was a great shot by LeBron tonight, gotta give him props for that.

But even guys like Eduardo Najera can hit game winners once in awhile. Let's wait until LeBron does it a little more often before we change his name to King Clutch. Let's not forget he had a couple of bricks in a similar clutch situation to the Bulls just a week or two ago.

Allanon, he had a stretch in the second period last night, when the Cavaliers were down 12, where he completely took over the game on both ends, scoring, passing, defending. An unstoppable force on one end, a total disrupter on the other. Brought them back practically single-handedly (he did have a little help from 12th man Tarence Kinsey).

I understand what you're saying about preferring Kobe in the last couple of minutes. Can't knock it. But to me, clutch plays can happen at any time in a game. LeBron's second period was clutch. His team was struggling, they needed a spark, needed a momentum shift, and he provided it. That, to me, is clutch play, regardless of the time of the game.

[TheMACHINE]

Allanon, he had a stretch in the second period last night, when the Cavaliers were down 12, where he completely took over the game on both ends, scoring, passing, defending. An unstoppable force on one end, a total disrupter on the other. Brought them back practically single-handedly (he did have a little help from 12th man Tarence Kinsey).

I understand what you're saying about preferring Kobe in the last couple of minutes. Can't knock it. But to me, clutch plays can happen at any time in a game. LeBron's second period was clutch. His team was struggling, they needed a spark, needed a momentum shift, and he provided it. That, to me, is clutch play, regardless of the time of the game.

FAIL. Clutch play = closing time. What you are describing is just a great player playing a great second quarter. No knock on Lebron, but dont try to RE-DEFINE words.

[Cry Havoc]

FAIL. Clutch play = closing time. What you are describing is just a great player playing a great second quarter. No knock on Lebron, but dont try to RE-DEFINE words.

So define when closing time is. Is it the last two minutes? What about if there are four minutes left and a player brings his team back from 8 down?


That was one great performance. If Kobe had only one great performance, we wouldn't be talking about him now.

Kobe's tied MJ in game winners, but for LeBron we're talking about 1 great performance years ago and a game winner tonight for LeBron plus another one from january last year I think. Kobe's had almost 3 just this month.

Give LeBron some time to improve his clutchness. He'll get it if he works at it.


YOUR fanbase is the one being hypercritical here. There has been very little bashing of Kobe from legitimate posters in this thread.

I would like to say, if we're going there, that had Kobe not had Shaq on his team for several years, he wouldn't be in threads like this either. He has NEVER taken over and dominated a playoff series like LeBron did against the Pistons.

However, the reasons I bumped the thread is simple -- when LeBron hits a game winner or performs in "clutch time", whatever the hell you Lakers fans want to define that as -- this thread gets bumped.

[IronMexican]

So define when closing time is. Is it the last two minutes? What about if there are four minutes left and a player brings his team back from 8 down?




YOUR fanbase is the one being hypercritical here. There has been very little bashing of Kobe from legitimate posters in this thread.

I would like to say, if we're going there, that had Kobe not had Shaq on his team for several years, he wouldn't be in threads like this either. He has NEVER taken over and dominated a playoff series like LeBron did against the Pistons.

However, the reasons I bumped the thread is simple -- when LeBron hits a game winner or performs in "clutch time", whatever the hell you Lakers fans want to define that as -- this thread gets bumped.

WCF 2001.

[JoeTait75]

FAIL. Clutch play = closing time. What you are describing is just a great player playing a great second quarter. No knock on Lebron, but dont try to RE-DEFINE words.

Okay, so you tell me what "closing time" is. Is it the last possession? Last minute? Last five minutes? Entire fourth quarter?

How am I "re-defining" a term that has no concrete definition in the first place?

Lastly, are you telling me that clutch plays can't be made at any point in a game? I COMPLETELY disagree with that. In a one-point game, like last night's, the winning team needs EVERY play it gets, whether it's in the second quarter or the last second.

[tlongII]

LeBron is one of the most clutch players I've ever seen. Jealous Laker fan just won't admit it.

[gaKNOW!blee]

WCF 2001.

He still never had 29 out of 30 and game tying/winning shots that round. Those games really werent that close.

[TheMACHINE]

So define when closing time is. Is it the last two minutes? What about if there are four minutes left and a player brings his team back from 8 down?






Closing time is definatley not in the second quarter.




Okay, so you tell me what "closing time" is. Is it the last possession? Last minute? Last five minutes? Entire fourth quarter?

How am I "re-defining" a term that has no concrete definition in the first place?

Lastly, are you telling me that clutch plays can't be made at any point in a game? I COMPLETELY disagree with that. In a one-point game, like last night's, the winning team needs EVERY play it gets, whether it's in the second quarter or the last second.

OMG man. You're like a second grader. YES i am telling you that CLUTCH plays CANT be made anytime during the game. There is a reason why its called CLUTCH.

With your logic, I can say "Kobe is the best closer because he had a great 1st quarter." Doesnt make any sense.

[TheMACHINE]

LeBron is one of the most clutch players I've ever seen. Jealous Laker fan just won't admit it.

I guess you havent seen the last regular season game Kobe had against you guys in 2004.

[JoeTait75]

Closing time is definatley not in the second quarter.

You can't say what ISN'T closing time, because you can't say what IS. It's a buzzword with absolutely no real definition. It's also a convenient way for Kobe homers to trivialize the impact LeBron has on a game. Sure, he carried his team for 47 minutes and 59 seconds, but he didn't get the job done in that last second, so he isn't clutch. That's bullshit.

Clutch plays, winning plays, can be made at ANY point in a game. Only a "second grader" would think only one play at the end of the game matters. The ENTIRE game matters.

[Banzai]

Who cares?

[TheMACHINE]

You can't say what ISN'T closing time, because you can't say what IS. It's a buzzword with absolutely no real definition. It's also a convenient way for Kobe homers to trivialize the impact LeBron has on a game. Sure, he carried his team for 47 minutes and 59 seconds, but he didn't get the job done in that last second, so he isn't clutch. That's bullshit.

Clutch plays, winning plays, can be made at ANY point in a game. Only a "second grader" would think only one play at the end of the game matters. The ENTIRE game matters.


Im wasting my time with you. I guess, CLUTCH and CLOSING means "entire" game. Front is back, left is right, dumb is smart.

You're from Cleveland, based on your city's sports history, you guys don't know what clutch is. I cant blame you.

[IronMexican]

He still never had 29 out of 30 and game tying/winning shots that round. Those games really werent that close.

He asked for a series Kobe took over, and I gave him one.

[JoeTait75]

Im wasting my time with you. I guess, CLUTCH and CLOSING means "entire" game. Front is back, left is right, dumb is smart.

You're from Cleveland, based on your city's sports history, you guys don't know what clutch is. I cant blame you.

If you can't handle a contrary opinion, just say so. Don't be a fucking crybaby. You babble on and on about a word you can't even define, then your response when I pin you down is to run city smack. Up your game.

[TheNextGen]

If you can't handle a contrary opinion, just say so. Don't be a fucking crybaby. You babble on and on about a word you can't even define, then your response when I pin you down is to run city smack. Up your game.


Wow...you should be a lawyer if you can actually convince people that "closer" or "clutch" can be defined by gameplay in the first, second or let alone third quarter.

[TheMACHINE]

If you can't handle a contrary opinion, just say so. Don't be a fucking crybaby. You babble on and on about a word you can't even define, then your response when I pin you down is to run city smack. Up your game.

Pin me down?!

You said that a closer or clutch can happen anytime in a game. I dont think i even need to argue this anymore. Your words are enough to make you lose this arguement.

i never knew you can close out the game in the second quarter, but then again, Cavs fans say the last game against the Lakers was a "close" one. :lol

[Kobe™]

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/kobeowen126/jamescelts.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

Closing time is definatley not in the second quarter.

Ok, hot shot. When IS closing time? Since obviously you have no idea.

If you are unable to define a word, don't make the attempt to be so haughty as to look down on those who's definition is not in line with yours.

So how about it? When is closing time? Keep in mind that as soon as you tell me I'm going to be looking up LeBron's stats in that time frame.

[mystargtr34]

Pin me down?!

You said that a closer or clutch can happen anytime in a game. I dont think i even need to argue this anymore. Your words are enough to make you lose this arguement.

i never knew you can close out the game in the second quarter, but then again, Cavs fans say the last game against the Lakers was a "close" one. :lol

God damn your a whiny crybaby little runt ay.

[kingmalaki]

Did someone just say LeBron isn't clutch? I can't think of a more feared player come playoff time over the last two seasons. Wasn't it his Cavs that came the closest to knocking off last years champs, with him deuling with Pierce in Game 7? Wasn't it LeBron who steamrolled through Detroit in the previous playoffs, with one of the greatest closing games we have ever seen? Anyone that says he can't close games needs to put the pipe down.

On the flip side, did Kobe just not blow a Finals series last year, while giving up a 20 point lead on his home court (Game 4) and getting drubbed by a near record defeat in Game 6...when he basically gave up? Did he not also choke/quit on his team in that Game 7 against Phoenix....blowing a 3-1 lead? Or what about the pathetic Finals showing against the Pistons in 04? If any other player (i.e. Dirk or anyone else) had these kind of showings, we would label them the biggest chokers on the planet.

I think it's a tossup between LeBron and Kobe, as far as who is better. But please save the LeBron can't close garbage. He has just as many recent playoff examples of stepping his game up and carrying his squad as Kobe does of blowing huge series leads and quitting on his team.

[TheMACHINE]

Ok, hot shot. When IS closing time? Since obviously you have no idea.

If you are unable to define a word, don't make the attempt to be so haughty as to look down on those who's definition is not in line with yours.

So how about it? When is closing time? Keep in mind that as soon as you tell me I'm going to be looking up LeBron's stats in that time frame.

You're a dumbass if you think Closing time doesnt come at the END of games...and if your like Joe who thinks CLOSING time is at the second quarter, you better go back to school and learn your fractions. THERES A FUCKING REASON ITS CALLED "CLOSING".

If you read my post, I did not DISS Lebron, i am argueing the fact that JOE says clutch and closing can be anytime during the game. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KOBE or LEBRON.

Closing time is OBVIOUSLY at the end of the game. Keep arguing that closing time is at the second quarter. Keep looking like a dumbass.

[Cry Havoc]

You're a dumbass if you think Closing time doesnt come at the END of games...and if your like Joe who thinks CLOSING time is at the second quarter, you better go back to school and learn your fractions. THERES A FUCKING REASON ITS CALLED "CLOSING".

If you read my post, I did not DISS Lebron, i am argueing the fact that JOE says clutch and closing can be anytime during the game. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KOBE or LEBRON.

Closing time is OBVIOUSLY at the end of the game. Keep arguing that closing time is at the second quarter. Keep looking like a dumbass.

If all you are going to do is put words in my mouth and throw names around, I am not going to do you the honor of responding to you until you can learn to post like an adult with the capacity for rational discourse. :rolleyes

[TheMACHINE]

If all you are going to do is put words in my mouth and throw names around, I am not going to do you the honor of responding to you until you can learn to post like an adult with the capacity for rational discourse. :rolleyes

fine. This is my arguement. Answer this question.

Do you agree with JoeTait that you can be a "closer" or be called "clutch" at the 2nd quarter of a game? Yes or No?

[Cry Havoc]

And for the record:

1:44 LeBron James makes two point shot (Mo Williams assists) 98-93

The last FG for the Cavs tonight. Also the FG that gave them a 5 point lead late.

[Cry Havoc]

fine. This is my arguement. Answer this question.

Do you agree with JoeTait that you can be a "closer" or be called "clutch" at the 2nd quarter of a game? Yes or No?

Closer and clutch are different things. If you are unwilling to define the term, you have no business getting so irate at JoeTait for having an opinion that differs from yours. It's an indefinite term and therefore has no specific value.

If we're going to go by Princeton's definition: (n) clutch (a tense critical situation) "he is a good man in the clutch"

Then it would appear that it is quite open to debate when "clutch" occurs. A three pointer to end the half could very well be a clutch shot in a close game. A single shot like that can change the momentum and entire attitude of a half of basketball. I think "closer" as the title of this thread suggests is much more focused on the very end of the game.

[TheMACHINE]

Closer and clutch are different things. If you are unwilling to define the term, you have no business getting so irate at JoeTait for having an opinion that differs from yours. It's an indefinite term and therefore has no specific value.

If we're going to go by Princeton's definition: (n) clutch (a tense critical situation) "he is a good man in the clutch"

Then it would appear that it is quite open to debate when "clutch" occurs. A three pointer to end the half could very well be a clutch shot in a close game. A single shot like that can change the momentum and entire attitude of a half of basketball. I think "closer" as the title of this thread suggests is much more focused on the very end of the game.


I would have to disagree with you. A three pointer to end the half, imo, isnt clutch. Like you expressed, clutch occurs in a tense critical situation. Knowing that there is another half of basketball to play isnt a critical situation. You still have plenty of time to make moves to get the win. In the final minutes, when the game is on the line is Clutch. Lebron made a clucth shot against GS last night. Kobe made a clutch shot last week against the spurs...problem is, so did Mason. Noone is going to say that Manu's 3 free throws at the end of the half (when he was fouled by Ariza) was clutch shots. Do you agree?

[Cry Havoc]

Thread bump for a game that was completely dominated by James.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

I feel as if it was put together by LeBron and the Cavs. It just didn't have the feeling that Kobe's did, where it was just happening. I'm curious to hear what the "experts" have to say about it.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

LeBron was going to actually try to out-duel Kobe, which he did try to. That's the thing that I don't like, he actually tried to outduel Kobe instead of just playing his game. These were the Cavs of last season and the season before that, not the Cavs of this season.

The only way to truly settle this is to have Kobe go back to Madison Square Garden and instead of just coming out on fire and going with it, he needs to just go all out and become Mr. 81 again.

But still, impressive. And in the end, Kobe is in the Madison Square Garden record books as the most points ever scored there.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

LeBron was going to actually try to out-duel Kobe, which he did try to. That's the thing that I don't like, he actually tried to outduel Kobe instead of just playing his game. These were the Cavs of last season and the season before that, not the Cavs of this season.

I feel as if it was put together by LeBron and the Cavs. It just didn't have the feeling that Kobe's did, where it was just happening. I'm curious to hear what the "experts" have to say about it.

:lol I think you're overextrapolating and projecting too much into this game.. I can see what your'e saying, and it's possible the conpiracy theory that the Cavs and Lebron gathered to gether to steal the spotlight over Kobe's 61, is a little wacky.

It was a great game, individual performance, 52 points and a triple double to boot. It's not always about Kobe, Lebron was hot at the beginning of the game, the game was close and they won.
If Lebron was "aware of Kobe's 61" so be it. Other players used others as motivations for their own game all the time. Larry and Magic did it.

[Juanobili]

Boohoo

Lebron Tried To Show Off

Boohoo

[monosylab1k]

52/10/11 > 61/0/3

[Cry Havoc]

LeBron was going to actually try to out-duel Kobe, which he did try to. That's the thing that I don't like, he actually tried to outduel Kobe instead of just playing his game. These were the Cavs of last season and the season before that, not the Cavs of this season.

The only way to truly settle this is to have Kobe go back to Madison Square Garden and instead of just coming out on fire and going with it, he needs to just go all out and become Mr. 81 again.

But still, impressive. And in the end, Kobe is in the Madison Square Garden record books as the most points ever scored there.

:rollin

You Lakers fans are a trip. Seriously.

[stretch]

LeBron was going to actually try to out-duel Kobe, which he did try to. That's the thing that I don't like, he actually tried to outduel Kobe instead of just playing his game. These were the Cavs of last season and the season before that, not the Cavs of this season.

The only way to truly settle this is to have Kobe go back to Madison Square Garden and instead of just coming out on fire and going with it, he needs to just go all out and become Mr. 81 again.

But still, impressive. And in the end, Kobe is in the Madison Square Garden record books as the most points ever scored there.

he didnt try to outduel kobe. he actually tried to contribute in ways other than scoring.

[FreeMason]

How old is Lebron?

[stretch]

kobe fans are actually more insecure than shaq x 100

[TheMACHINE]

When people say who scored the most in MSG, who will they say?

[monosylab1k]

When people say who scored the most in MSG, who will they say?

Patrick Ewing

[stretch]

When people say who scored the most in MSG, who will they say?

no one will give a shit because mj > kobe

[Xylus]

52/10/11 has to be the best statline anyone's put up this season.

[Rogue]

Lebron James you are not and will never be the closer Kobe and MJ are
It's extreamly stupid and unbelievably foolish to place Kobe with MJ, nomatter whether it's Jordan or Magic.

Kobe is as good as you are, but neither of you is or will be as good as either Jordan or Magic Johnson.

Kobe earns tons of dollars per year while you are miles away from Kobe in wealth. but I bet you're a good person, which makes you more valuable as a person than Kobe. Kobe's dollars can't and will never be able to redeem his sins.


I hate Kobe with all my heart. Believe
me..

I just recognize greatness when i see it. Lebron is a great player just not as great as Kobe. Not now at least.
I don't know why you hate Kobe so much, maybe you are the victim of his rape case...

I have nothing against Kobe personally and it's not fair to say Kobe is not a good player, but a good player isn't guaranteed to be a good person. Just take Halle Berry as an example... Lebron knows it's not a good habit to suck his fingers which is contaminated with bacterias, but he still accept that because it doesn't make him an unacceptable person, at least Lebron has never eaten shit. tmac is just a shit compared to Kobe but tmac either has never eaten shit though he himself is a shit.

Lebron has enough potential to make himself as great as whichever Hall of famer. but Kobe has prove that he can be as "great" as whoever we can think of.

[TheMACHINE]

no one will give a shit because mj > kobe

When people say who scored the most in MSG, who will they say?

[stretch]

It's extreamly stupid and unbelievably foolish to place Kobe with MJ, nomatter whether it's Jordan or Magic.

Kobe is as good as you are, but neither of you is or will be as good as either Jordan or Magic Johnson.

Kobe earns tons of dollars per year while you are miles away from Kobe in wealth. but I bet you're a good person, which makes you more valuable as a person than Kobe. Kobe's dollars can't and will never be able to redeem his sins.


I don't know why you hate Kobe so much, maybe you are the victim of his rape case...

I have nothing against Kobe personally and it's not fair to say Kobe is not a good player, but a good player isn't guaranteed to be a good person. Just take Halle Berry as an example... Lebron knows it's not a good habit to suck his fingers which is contaminated with bacterias, but he still accept that because it doesn't make him an unacceptable person, at least Lebron has never eaten shit. tmac is just a shit compared to Kobe but tmac either has never eaten shit though he himself is a shit.

Lebron has enough potential to make himself as great as whichever Hall of famer. but Kobe has prove that he can be as "great" as whoever we can think of.

:rollin:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:lma o

[monosylab1k]

When people say who scored the most in MSG, who will they say?

Patrick Ewing

[TheMACHINE]

Patrick Ewing


ok..you can deny it all you want.

[stretch]

:lmao

[Findog]

Patrick Ewing


I love that song

http://www.amazon.com/Voyager-Space-Needle/dp/B000003YRN

[monosylab1k]

ok..you can deny it all you want.
Deny what? It's in the record books...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/leaders_career.html

23,655 points scored as a Knick....I'd hazard a guess that approximately half of those were scored in Madison Square Garden.

So who has scored more than 11,827 points in MSG?

[Pelicans78]

Patrick Ewing

[JoeTait75]

It's extreamly stupid and unbelievably foolish to place Kobe with MJ, nomatter whether it's Jordan or Magic.

Kobe is as good as you are, but neither of you is or will be as good as either Jordan or Magic Johnson.

Kobe earns tons of dollars per year while you are miles away from Kobe in wealth. but I bet you're a good person, which makes you more valuable as a person than Kobe. Kobe's dollars can't and will never be able to redeem his sins.


I don't know why you hate Kobe so much, maybe you are the victim of his rape case...

I have nothing against Kobe personally and it's not fair to say Kobe is not a good player, but a good player isn't guaranteed to be a good person. Just take Halle Berry as an example... Lebron knows it's not a good habit to suck his fingers which is contaminated with bacterias, but he still accept that because it doesn't make him an unacceptable person, at least Lebron has never eaten shit. tmac is just a shit compared to Kobe but tmac either has never eaten shit though he himself is a shit.

Lebron has enough potential to make himself as great as whichever Hall of famer. but Kobe has prove that he can be as "great" as whoever we can think of.

Your sig picture is fascinating.

[Cry Havoc]

52/10/11 has to be the best statline anyone's put up this season.

I dunno, Hairston had 1 block in 1 minute of play a couple of games back. You could extrapolate that to 48 blocks in a single game. That's gotta be up there. :flag:

[m33p0]

interestingly enough, the record kobe broke wasn't held by michael jordan. bernard king held that honor when he scored 60.

[DAF86]

LeBron was going to actually try to out-duel Kobe, which he did try to. That's the thing that I don't like, he actually tried to outduel Kobe instead of just playing his game. These were the Cavs of last season and the season before that, not the Cavs of this season.

The only way to truly settle this is to have Kobe go back to Madison Square Garden and instead of just coming out on fire and going with it, he needs to just go all out and become Mr. 81 again.

But still, impressive. And in the end, Kobe is in the Madison Square Garden record books as the most points ever scored there.

So Lebron tried to out-duel Kobe and yet he got 11 assts, but Kobe was just trying to get the W with 3 assts?

They both were going for his'. The differnce is that Lebron stopped that in the 2nd quarter, and it shows in the stats.

[DAF86]

I came across this and I thought here would be a good place to put it.

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

It looks like the guy that isn't and will never be the closer that MJ and Kobe are, shoots a better % when it comes to last second shots than at least one of them.

[exstatic]

Aparently you don't remember several of the series where Kobe torched the Spurs on their way to the 3 peat.

Really? The Kobe vs Jordan stuff yet again? Same ole broken record... :bang
Lakerfan fails to recognize that their Shaq induced three-peat is as irrelevant to the current NBA landscape as Jordan's heroics. Ironic, isn't it?

[TheMACHINE]

So Lebron tried to out-duel Kobe and yet he got 11 assts, but Kobe was just trying to get the W with 3 assts?

They both were going for his'. The differnce is that Lebron stopped that in the 2nd quarter, and it shows in the stats.


hahah yah the way he was trying to devour the last rebound was "stopping at the 2nd quarter."

[Cry Havoc]

What's this?

Ah.

A thread that needs to be bumped.

*ding*

Theeeeere we go. :toast

[Cry Havoc]

Something wicked goes bump in the night.

[lil_penny]

back from the dead

[KidCongo]

It wasn't the best thing to say considering LBJ has another 8+ years in the game to play at an elite level.

[Rogue]

It wasn't the best thing to say considering LBJ has another 8+ years in the game to play at an elite level.
But he has to gain some rings to make it closer to the double MJs, obviously the Cavs are not the team with which Lebron can win it. Mavs is the team Lebron has been eager to join since he joined this league, imagine how awesome our team will be with Lebron in blue.

[BandWagon Cavs Fan]

http://i43.tinypic.com/20koqs7.jpg

[LnGrrrR]

52/10/11 > 61/0/3

+1

[TampaDude]

Kobe is the best player on the planet.

LeBron can't hit a walk away game winning shot. Kobe has done it hundreds of times.

Welcome to Failtown...population YOU. :lmao

[redzero]

LeBron will never be as good a closer as MJ and Kobe? Whenever he has a ball in the paint, that's automatic free throws. If he can become a better free throw shooter, he will be the best closer ever.

[jacobdrj]

If Kobe = MJ, James = Magic.

[resistanze]

I chug on Kobe's dong and type in bold.

Good example on why people hate Laker (Kobe) Fan.