Matt Carroll, Dirk Nowitzki, and Jose Juan Barea for Boozer, Millsap, Brewer, Miles

[Bob Lanier]

Utah will also include Ronnie Price in the deal in exchange for a protected second round draft pick.

What do you think?

[ClingingMars]

take away Dirk, you take away the Mavs.

-Mars

[Bob Lanier]

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[Brickhouse]

I doubt Jazz would do that.

[monosylab1k]

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Then all you'd need to do is trade Deron Williams + the other 2 black guys for Nash, Dragic, & the douchebag with the ponytail....and you'd have the most popular basketball team since the 80's Celtics.

[scanry]

Then all you'd need to do is trade Deron Williams + the other 2 black guys for Nash, Dragic, & the douchebag with the ponytail....and you'd have the most popular basketball team since the 80's Celtics.


:lol:lol:lol

[ImmortalD24]

Then all you'd need to do is trade Deron Williams + the other 2 black guys for Nash, Dragic, & the douchebag with the ponytail....and you'd have the most popular basketball team since the 80's Celtics.:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Chieflion]

Man, that is racist.

[Nick, the Nazi]

Then all you'd need to do is trade Deron Williams + the other 2 black guys for Nash, Dragic, & the douchebag with the ponytail....and you'd have the most popular basketball team since the 80's Celtics.


I could easily root for this team.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Man, that is racist.

And I love it.

[angelbelow]

hahahahhaa

[balli]

Utah will also include Ronnie Price in the deal in exchange for a protected second round draft pick.

What do you think?

If I'm Utah I don't go near that deal with a ten foot pole. Brewer, Miles, Boozer and Millsap for the softest PF/biggest girl in the league? In other words you want two franchise PF's, an extremely solid SG and another extremely athletic SG who could average 20+ someday. Dream the fuck on.

[Rogue]

WTF? mavericks had better commited suicide rather than make such a damn deal. only the delusional jazz fans may come up with such trade offers.

[Girasuck]

I wouldn't trade Millsap for Dirk straight up.

[balli]

WTF? mavericks had better commited suicide rather than make such a damn deal. only the delusional jazz fans may come up with such trade offers.

Someone's delusional allright. Do you even watch basketball?

[JamStone]

wow @ serious responses to this thread.

Adolph Rupp coaching?

[Findog]

If I'm Utah I don't go near that deal with a ten foot pole. Brewer, Miles, Boozer and Millsap for the softest PF/biggest girl in the league? In other words you want two franchise PF's, an extremely solid SG and another extremely athletic SG who could average 20+ someday. Dream the fuck on.

You're a moron. And considering you're a Jazz fan, you should probably remember that time he got his teeth knocked out by Karl Malone and got back up to send your team fishing. What a fucking dumbass you are.

[Findog]

Calling Dirk not clutch is one thing, if extremely overstated. For every time he sent Phoenix and San Antonio fishing with clutch play, he played poorly against Golden State?

But soft? No fucking way he's soft by any definition.

[balli]

You're a moron. And considering you're a Jazz fan, you should probably remember that time he got his teeth knocked out by Karl Malone and got back up to send your team fishing. What a fucking dumbass you are.

Fuck Dirk. Fuck the Mavericks. I don't really know you/talk to you. Ever. And thus don't really understand why your personal beef is with me, rather than my position on the Mavs. But I assure you, it's okay that I don't like Dirk or your team; I know it's just awful for you that some random person out there dislikes them, but I'm sure you'll manage to live. Now fuck off.

[Findog]

Dirk owns Utah like Ike owned Tina Turner. Maybe that's why pussyijuana has sand in his vajayjay:

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[Findog]

Fuck Dirk. Fuck the Mavericks

u mad?



I don't really know you/talk to you. Ever.

u mad?


And thus don't really understand why your personal beef is with me, rather than my position on the Mavs. But I assure you, it's okay that I don't like Dirk or your team;

We all have our likes/dislikes. I don't care if you hate the Mavs.




I know it's just awful for you that some random person out there dislikes them, but I'm sure you'll manage to live. Now fuck off.

You called Dirk soft. That's incorrect, so I enlightened you. Whenever someone says something that is factually incorrect, it's for the betterment of the Spurstalk community that the record get corrected. You're welcome for the enlightenment.

[balli]

Dirk owns Utah like Ike owned Tina Turner. Maybe that's why pussyijuana has sand in his vajayjay:

Like I said. I don't know you. I don't really talk to you or respond to your posts. And I seem to remember you flipping out on me, as opposed to vice-versa. I'm sorry I dislike Dirk and I'm sorry that it would compel you to act like such a little bitch. But seriously, fuck off dude, I'm just trying to enjoy my Saturday Jazz game without getting all upset at a fagbot like yourself. You want a troll war, go bug mono.

[Findog]

Like I said. I don't know you. I don't really talk to you or respond to your posts.

Which is what you're not doing now of course.


And I seem to remember you flipping out on me, as opposed to vice-versa

Your memory is hazy, so you might want to put the bong down once in a while. I like a little reefer myself, but I don't take it to the point of frontal lobe damage such as yourself. After Dirk got suspended for the shot to the head against Harpring, you flipped out, and I simply stated my opinion that it was not intentional and the result of poor body control.



I'm sorry I dislike Dirk

Like I said, I could care less if you don't like my team. But if you're going to call Dirk "soft," I will correct you. At least keep your hate coherent and in the realm of common sense.


and I'm sorry that it would compel you to act like such a little bitch.

The only bitch in this thread is you, flipping out because I pointed out with facts that Dirk is indeed not soft. Hate on him all you want, but if you call him something that he is not, I will correct you.


But seriously, fuck off dude, I'm just trying to enjoy my Saturday Jazz game without getting all upset at a fagbot like yourself. You want a troll war, go bug mono.

u definitely mad. :lmao

[balli]

that Dirk is indeed not soft. Hate on him all you want, but if you call him something that he is not
When he stops sucker punching dudes, or pushing them in the back while they're unstable, I might be willing to remove the soft label. Actually, it'll happen when after getting slapped in the face by David West again, he actually does something other than get scared look on his face while backing away.

[Findog]

When he stops sucker punching dudes, or pushing them in the back while they're unstable, I might be willing to remove the soft label. Actually, it'll happen after getting slapped in the face by David West, he actually does something other than get scared look on his face while backing away.

Considering he's never sucker-punched anybody (I do love the irony of a Jazz fan complaining about dirty play), or done anything than take a poor angle on AK near the basket, I don't know how that makes him soft. And instead of punching West or risking a suspension, he scored on him at will for the rest of that series. He was the second-best player in that series after Paul. No shame in that. Too bad for him that the Hornets as a team were much better than the Mavericks. Actually, I seem to recall that he came back from a high ankle sprain after 10 days, when that's an injury that keeps most guys out for at least 6 weeks to 2 months. The Mavs probably shouldn't have even made the playoffs last year...but he helped them clinch a playoff spot against some team, forget who it was:

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So yeah, he's soft alright. You're not very good at this.

[dirk4mvp]

Who uses the word fagbot with a straight face? I hope you get that splooge cleared out of your throat that findawg launched in there.

[Findog]

But seriously, fuck off dude, I'm just trying to enjoy my Saturday Jazz game without getting all upset at a fagbot like yourself.

Did you enjoy the game tonight, ballijuana?

[portpower_11]

:lmao
I wouldn't trade Millsap for Dirk straight up.

[Findog]

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May 3, 2001, Salt Lake City, Utah: Don Nelson and Calvin Booth celebrate after the Mavericks erased a 14-point fourth quarter deficit to defeat Karl Malone and the Jazz, 84-83, in the deciding Game Five of their first-round series. Booth scored the winning layup.

Dallas was making its first post-season appearance in 11 years and dropped the first two games in Utah to fall into an 0-2 hole. The young Mavericks then proceeded to reel off three straight wins to shock the Jazz and move on.

"At halftime, we just said 'Stay positive', and we did all the way."

- Steve Nash

[Bob Lanier]

Calvin Booth looks like Sarah Jessica Parker after she's fallen asleep on the beach for eight hours.

[Brickhouse]

Calvin Booth looks like Sarah Jessica Parker after she's fallen asleep on the beach for eight hours.

That's not fair to Calvin.

[Mister Sinister]

Calvin Booth looks like Sarah Jessica Parker after she's fallen asleep on the beach for eight hours.


That's not fair to Calvin.
I lol'd. I lol'd hard.

[Sportstudi]

Considering he's never sucker-punched anybody (I do love the irony of a Jazz fan complaining about dirty play), or done anything than take a poor angle on AK near the basket, I don't know how that makes him soft. And instead of punching West or risking a suspension, he scored on him at will for the rest of that series. He was the second-best player in that series after Paul. No shame in that. Too bad for him that the Hornets as a team were much better than the Mavericks.


Exactly. He would have gotten a suspension. There was no sense to risk that. Thus he tried his best to help the team, but unfortunately New Orleans was better. If Ballijuana calls him soft due to his decision not to slap West in the face, he is a moron. Yeah, slap him in the face, get ejected, your team has no chance anymore without you, but you protected your image has a hard guy. Very good! You are simply dumb if you can't understand Dirk's decision! :bang

[endrity]

Dirk was in the top three in PER during the playoffs last year, that's how good he played in that series. People who call him soft have no idea what they are talking about.

[ElNono]

Dirk was in the top three in PER during the playoffs last year, that's how good he played in that series. People who call him soft have no idea what they are talking about.

Being soft has nothing to do with playing well, or extremely well for that matter. IE: Gasol is a soft bitch, and he can put up good numbers.
Dirk is soft, and that's my opinion. We had this conversation many, many times before and most Mavs fans here do not agree. Fine, I have no problem with that.

[monosylab1k]

I didn't realize Jazz fans were such cheesedicks. No wait, yes I did.

[endrity]

Being soft has nothing to do with playing well, or extremely well for that matter. IE: Gasol is a soft bitch, and he can put up good numbers.
Dirk is soft, and that's my opinion. We had this conversation many, many times before and most Mavs fans here do not agree. Fine, I have no problem with that.

Well Gasol doesn't put up nearly Dirk's numbers. And he shied away from the big moment in the Finals. Dirk doesn't do that, with exception of the GS series (which is completely another debate) he has always played well when it counts, for the Mavs or for Germany. He comes back from injuries, and plays hurt, like almost no other player in the NBA today.

So if he isn't soft in that way, than you have to define what soft means. Because just like "choking" has become completely synonimous with losing, same thing is quickly happening with "soft". You have to give me a clear definition.

[ElNono]

Well Gasol doesn't put up nearly Dirk's numbers. And he shied away from the big moment in the Finals. Dirk doesn't do that, with exception of the GS series (which is completely another debate) he has always played well when it counts, for the Mavs or for Germany. He comes back from injuries, and plays hurt, like almost no other player in the NBA today.

So if he isn't soft in that way, than you have to define what soft means. Because just like "choking" has become completely synonimous with losing, same thing is quickly happening with "soft". You have to give me a clear definition.

Why is it another debate?

[monosylab1k]

Dirk is definitely tough, but you can still call him "soft" in some ways. Mavs fans make the mistake of thinking that just because he can come back from a high ankle sprain in record time, it mean's he's not "soft". But they don't understand what "soft" means.

Soft is resorting to off balance fadeaways instead of taking it to the rim, especially at the end of a game. Soft is hearing how you need a post game year after year but never developing one. Soft is taking a shot to the mouth from Shaq and never getting within 10 feet of the hoop for the rest of the series. Soft is letting Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Nellie punk you time after time and never doing anything about it.

Dirk is a physically tough guy, but he absolutely plays the game "soft". Not always, but the large majority of the time he does. There's been flashes of tough play (like the and-1 against the Spurs) but for the most part, Dirk has always resorted to weak shit like fadeaways when the game is on the line. I don't think it's one bit unfair to call Dirk soft in that regard. He doesn't have that killer mentality that guys like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and so on have.

[endrity]

Why is it another debate?

Because one series should not define a player's career, especially when the other series show completely another trend, of a player playing even better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season.
Because that one series, has many other culprits besides Dirk, who with an heroic game 5 pushed it to 6 to begin with.

[balli]

Did you enjoy the game tonight, ballijuana?

Nope. I didn't even watch 90% of it. Like I said 20 hours ago when I tried to stop this conversation in the first place- I got better things to do on a Saturday night than sit around arguing with your dumb ass. Considering how much you tried to keep talking to/about me, in this and the two other threads I didn't even post in, I can only assume you didn't. That sucks.

[endrity]

Dirk is definitely tough, but you can still call him "soft" in some ways. Mavs fans make the mistake of thinking that just because he can come back from a high ankle sprain in record time, it mean's he's not "soft". But they don't understand what "soft" means.

Soft is resorting to off balance fadeaways instead of taking it to the rim, especially at the end of a game. Soft is hearing how you need a post game year after year but never developing one. Soft is taking a shot to the mouth from Shaq and never getting within 10 feet of the hoop for the rest of the series. Soft is letting Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Nellie punk you time after time and never doing anything about it.

Dirk is a physically tough guy, but he absolutely plays the game "soft". Not always, but the large majority of the time he does. There's been flashes of tough play (like the and-1 against the Spurs) but for the most part, Dirk has always resorted to weak shit like fadeaways when the game is on the line. I don't think it's one bit unfair to call Dirk soft in that regard. He doesn't have that killer mentality that guys like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and so on have.

Dirk will never ever have a good post game. NEVER! He is not physically strong enough, and never will be. He doesn't have a strong back to do that. It is silly to ask him to do that. How many 7 footers in the world can play basketball to begin with? Few, and even less have a post game. The mistake that some people do is that they think since Duncan, Shaq have strong post games as 7 footers than everyone should. Yet many big man never were physically strong enough to develop one. We are especially tough on the big man in basketball, because we think of them as invincible forces, yet we often forget that it's remarkable that at this height they can move around in a basketball court.

It is a testament to Dirk's greatness that while never being a naturally strong person, he developed such a unique and unmatchable game. You say he should go to the rim more often, yet very often he does and doesn't finish. Some think it's because Dirk simply doesn't get calls. But the other truth is that Dirk doesn't have a high jump, and is often easily blocked close to the rim. It is not very smart for him to do that. On the other hand, his jumper is extremely accurate, and he has won many games with it. And while you say Dirk never went to the rim again in the Finals, look at the end of Game 5 again where all his plays were near the rim.

[Mad_Hatter]

i :lmao at jazz fans

[scanry]

Dirk owns Utah like Ike owned Tina Turner. Maybe that's why pussyijuana has sand in his vajayjay:

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Every fucking team will rather have Deron than Dirk. Even though Dirk is a good and sometimes a great player, i would rather have Deron on my team.:toast

BTW for some reason Deron always owns CP3, and almost single handedly beat the Lakers the last post season. If Boozer hadn't chocked, they may well have beaten them.:wow

So when you say Dirk owns the Jazz, this :lol is all i can think of.

[Findog]

Every fucking team will rather have Deron than Dirk. Even though Dirk is a good and sometimes a great player, i would rather have Deron on my team.:toast


He's like 7 years younger. Thanks for chiming in with a completely obvious statement.

[Findog]

Nope. I didn't even watch 90% of it. Like I said 20 hours ago when I tried to stop this conversation in the first place- I got better things to do on a Saturday night than sit around arguing with your dumb ass. Considering how much you tried to keep talking to/about me, in this and the two other threads I didn't even post in, I can only assume you didn't. That sucks.

You previously said all you wanted to do was enjoy your Saturday night Jazz game. I was simply inquiring as to whether or not it turned out to be an enjoyable experience for you. It's nice to know that it doesn't take much to activate the manic part of your psychological profile. :lol

[monosylab1k]

Dirk will never ever have a good post game. NEVER! He is not physically strong enough, and never will be. He doesn't have a strong back to do that. It is silly to ask him to do that. How many 7 footers in the world can play basketball to begin with? Few, and even less have a post game. The mistake that some people do is that they think since Duncan, Shaq have strong post games as 7 footers than everyone should. Yet many big man never were physically strong enough to develop one. We are especially tough on the big man in basketball, because we think of them as invincible forces, yet we often forget that it's remarkable that at this height they can move around in a basketball court.

It is a testament to Dirk's greatness that while never being a naturally strong person, he developed such a unique and unmatchable game. You say he should go to the rim more often, yet very often he does and doesn't finish. Some think it's because Dirk simply doesn't get calls. But the other truth is that Dirk doesn't have a high jump, and is often easily blocked close to the rim. It is not very smart for him to do that. On the other hand, his jumper is extremely accurate, and he has won many games with it. And while you say Dirk never went to the rim again in the Finals, look at the end of Game 5 again where all his plays were near the rim.

And in Game 5, if Dirk had done more of that before the end of the game, the Mavs win. He was terrible for the majority of the game. Dirk's biggest shot in Game 5 was also a fadeaway over Shaq. Great job that he made it, but you could certainly question his shot selection there.

If you say that's the player Dirk is, great. He's a spectacular finesse player, but that still doesn't make his game any less soft. And it's Mark Cuban's fault for putting all his faith in a guy whose game isn't conducive to winning championships.

[ElNono]

Because one series should not define a player's career, especially when the other series show completely another trend, of a player playing even better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season.
Because that one series, has many other culprits besides Dirk, who with an heroic game 5 pushed it to 6 to begin with.

How about two series?

[ElNono]

Dirk is definitely tough, but you can still call him "soft" in some ways. Mavs fans make the mistake of thinking that just because he can come back from a high ankle sprain in record time, it mean's he's not "soft". But they don't understand what "soft" means.

Soft is resorting to off balance fadeaways instead of taking it to the rim, especially at the end of a game. Soft is hearing how you need a post game year after year but never developing one. Soft is taking a shot to the mouth from Shaq and never getting within 10 feet of the hoop for the rest of the series. Soft is letting Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Nellie punk you time after time and never doing anything about it.

Dirk is a physically tough guy, but he absolutely plays the game "soft". Not always, but the large majority of the time he does. There's been flashes of tough play (like the and-1 against the Spurs) but for the most part, Dirk has always resorted to weak shit like fadeaways when the game is on the line. I don't think it's one bit unfair to call Dirk soft in that regard. He doesn't have that killer mentality that guys like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and so on have.

Couldn't have written it better myself. Findog said a few days ago that Dirk is a 1.5 player. Not a number 1 or a number 2, just somebody in between. And I think part of what makes him a 1.5 player is exactly that, playing 'soft' and not wanting to change his ways about it year after year.

[diego]

i agree with the view that dirk is what he is, a very very good player, and its not that he is a wimp or uncompetitive, but his style isn't a winning style. he'd be better off playing 2nd option and i think he's yet to have a coach/team that maximizes his strengths.

what sucks is that from interviews i read, dirk comes off as a genuine bball addict and i think he sees his flaws but he cant shake them.

another thing about dirk- i cant think of another superstar with as many sloshed-at-a-bar pics online. theres probably someone worse in american sports but dirk's pics are too funny.

[Brickhouse]

I will agree that many times Dirk is too passive, which I guess could be "soft" and that sometimes physicality gets to him.

BUT

Dirk will never be a great post player, it's not his game, he has worked on it and gotten significantly better, but few players are dominant at everything. So you either build the right team around him or let him be Robin at this point in his career. Neither of which has been done.

[endrity]

And in Game 5, if Dirk had done more of that before the end of the game, the Mavs win. He was terrible for the majority of the game. Dirk's biggest shot in Game 5 was also a fadeaway over Shaq. Great job that he made it, but you could certainly question his shot selection there.

If you say that's the player Dirk is, great. He's a spectacular finesse player, but that still doesn't make his game any less soft. And it's Mark Cuban's fault for putting all his faith in a guy whose game isn't conducive to winning championships.

Yet he made every possible play at the end of Game 5 to win it, while DWhistle was hitting FTs on the other end. You can't ask anymore out of your superstar.

And that fadeway, which was a thing of beauty, was THE best option. How many people can go straight at Shaq in 2006 and score????? Duncan maybe, and that's it. We don't have Duncan, that's too bad, we have Dirk who has proven that with a good cast can take you far.

[endrity]

How about two series?

If you mean the Finals you are completely off base.

[ElNono]

If you mean the Finals you are completely off base.

No, I mean the Hornets series.

[Findog]

No, I mean the Hornets series.

Dirk was great in the Hornet series.

[timvp]

I don't think Dirk is soft. Then again, he kills the Spurs so my view is a bit skewed.

But really, say he got to play as Shaq's sidekick back when Shaq was in his prime. Dirk wouldn't have anyone calling him soft because defenses wouldn't be able to focus on him and he'd be free to play the assassin role.

The only thing I'd call soft about Dirk's current game is that he for some reason shoots jumpers even if he has a point guard switched off onto him. Outside of that, Dirk taking a midrange jumpers is usually a good shot. I can't really blame the best jumpshooting 7-footer in NBA history taking jumpshots.

[Findog]

I don't think Dirk is soft. Then again, he kills the Spurs so my view is a bit skewed.

But really, say he got to play as Shaq's sidekick back when Shaq was in his prime. Dirk wouldn't have anyone calling him soft because defenses wouldn't be able to focus on him and he'd be free to play the assassin role.

The only thing I'd call soft about Dirk's current game is that he for some reason shoots jumpers even if he has a point guard switched off onto him. Outside of that, Dirk taking a midrange jumpers is usually a good shot. I can't really blame the best jumpshooting 7-footer in NBA history taking jumpshots.

He's got such a high-release point on his jumper that very few guys can alter his shot. A 7-footer with such a pure shot is a nightmare matchup for most teams that don't have a long 3.

[timvp]

teams that don't have a long 3.

:depressed:depressed:depressed:depressed

[td4mvp21]

Finley is our long three!

[monosylab1k]

He's got such a high-release point on his jumper that very few guys can alter his shot. A 7-footer with such a pure shot is a nightmare matchup for most teams that don't have a long 3.

A layup is still a higher percentage shot than a 17 footer. Sorry, but I might actually have to use some SpursDynasty "wisdom" because anybody can get on a streak and hit some jumpers, but it takes a special kind of player to relentlessly attack the basket. And Dirk just doesn't consistently have that in him. As big a matchup nightmare as Dirk creates, that storm can still be weathered by most teams, mainly due to the fact that Dirk can't consistently get himself easy buckets, he's gotta work for every point he gets.

[mystargtr34]

Every fucking team will rather have Deron than Dirk. Even though Dirk is a good and sometimes a great player, i would rather have Deron on my team.:toast
BTW for some reason Deron always owns CP3, and almost single handedly beat the Lakers the last post season. If Boozer hadn't chocked, they may well have beaten them.:wow

So when you say Dirk owns the Jazz, this :lol is all i can think of.

Right now, Dirk >>> Deron.

But if your starting a franchise then year, the age difference makes Deron the obvious choice.

Every single GM would probably take Chris Bosh over Tim Duncan too.

[baseline bum]

Utah will also include Ronnie Price in the deal in exchange for a protected second round draft pick.

What do you think?

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[Kamnik]

Dirk is a superstar. If he wouldnt be a white blondish euro noone would call him soft.

Whoever watched him playing on German NT knows is a true warrior. And in the NBA he pulled a team of douchebags to the finals and rightly won a regular season MVP.

Maybe Cuban, Terry and a bunch of others are idiots but Dirk is a great guy.

[scanry]

Right now, Dirk >>> Deron.

But if your starting a franchise then year, the age difference makes Deron the obvious choice.

Every single GM would probably take Chris Bosh over Tim Duncan too.

I beg to differ, Deron is one of the premier point guards in the NBA (at worst the second best).

Deron alone gave the Lakers all they could handle in the WCSF last year. :wow


Now that's why you're not a GM.

[ElNono]

Dirk put great numbers in the Hornet series.

Fixed.

[Girasuck]

:lmao

My comment wasn't intended to be funny. Why would I want to see us giving up a STUD for the 2nd biggest pussy in the league when we're still dealing with the 1st biggest pussy in the league?

No thanks. I'll keep Millsap and his younger age, better future, and cheaper contract over that German fuck.

[ElNono]

I don't think Dirk is soft. Then again, he kills the Spurs so my view is a bit skewed.

He consistently plays well against us, but kill us? I mean, it took more than just Dirk's play to take us down in 2006, and before and after that I think we've done pretty well against Dallas (not coincidentally, when the players around him started to decline, we started to beat them more often).



But really, say he got to play as Shaq's sidekick back when Shaq was in his prime. Dirk wouldn't have anyone calling him soft because defenses wouldn't be able to focus on him and he'd be free to play the assassin role.


I agree he would be a great second fiddle to a true superstar. That said, he was put as the centerpiece on a team, and he obviously doesn't have what it takes to carry a team all the way. My Gasol comment comes to mind.



The only thing I'd call soft about Dirk's current game is that he for some reason shoots jumpers even if he has a point guard switched off onto him. Outside of that, Dirk taking a midrange jumpers is usually a good shot. I can't really blame the best jumpshooting 7-footer in NBA history taking jumpshots.

But it's not like he's bad when he puts the ball on the floor and attacks the basket. He more often than not either gets the bucket or an and 1. And both you and I know that breaking down defenses like that makes a lot more happen than taking a jumpshot, no matter how good a percent jumpshooter you are.

[sonic21]

I agree he would be a great second fiddle to a true superstar. That said, he was put as the centerpiece on a team, and he obviously doesn't have what it takes to carry a team all the way. My Gasol comment comes to mind.


i disagree.
Dirk proved in 2006 he can carry a team all the way, he had good stats in the finals but the combination of other mavs choking and really bad officiating would be too much to overcome for any superstar in the league.

do you really think mavs didn't deserve to win in 2006?

[endrity]

great to see so many reasonable spurs fans!

I have said it before and say it again, if Dirk was ever traded I want to see him play next to Duncan.

[ElNono]

i disagree.
Dirk proved in 2006 he can carry a team all the way, he had good stats in the finals but the combination of other mavs choking and really bad officiating would be too much to overcome for any superstar in the league.


I think it's a disservice to other players in that team to pin in all on Dirk, even more so now that we have hindsight. JHo was playing All-Star level basketball back then, and as much as Mavs fans want to dog on Devin Harris, he single handedly broke down our defense with his penetration more times than Tony did to theirs. And as much as I hate to say it, Stackhouse was a stud coming off the bench. Above all, they played excellent defense, something you have to put entirely on Avery's shoulders.



do you really think mavs didn't deserve to win in 2006?

I think that team deserved to be in the Finals. I think the best team always wins.

[Findog]

i disagree.
Dirk proved in 2006 he can carry a team all the way, he had good stats in the finals but the combination of other mavs choking and really bad officiating would be too much to overcome for any superstar in the league.

do you really think mavs didn't deserve to win in 2006?

+1

Tim Duncan had two All Stars by his side. KG had Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Between Jason Terry and Josh Howard, Dirk had one All Star injury replacement selection by his side.