Rush: I hope Obama fails.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

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RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

Were the liberals out there hoping Bush succeeded or were they out there trying to destroy him before he was even inaugurated? Why do we have to play the game by their rules? Why do we have to accept the premise here that because of the historical nature of his presidency, that we want him to succeed? This is affirmative action, if we do that. We want to promote failure, we want to promote incompetence, we want to stand by and not object to what he's doing simply because of the color of his skin? Sorry. I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are. Well, I know, I know. I am the last man standing.
I'm happy to be the last man standing. I'm honored to be the last man standing. Yeah, I'm the true maverick. I can do more than four words. I could say I hope he fails and I could do a brief explanation of why. You know, I want to win. If my party doesn't, I do. If my party has sacrificed the whole concept of victory, sorry, I'm now the Republican in name only, and they are the sellouts. I'm serious about this. Why in the world, it's what Ann Coulter was talking about, the tyranny of the majority, all these victims here, we gotta make sure the victims are finally assuaged. Well, the dirty little secret is this isn't going to assuage anybody's victim status, and the race industry isn't going to go away, and the fact that America's original sin of slavery is going to be absolved, it's not going to happen. Just isn't, folks. It's too big a business for the left to keep all those things alive that divide the people of this country into groups that are against each other. Yes, I'm fired up about this.

Reasons number 249 and 50 why I'm not a Republican. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has been chosen to introduce Vice-President-elect Biden at a bipartisan dinner in Washington on the eve of the immaculation. Biden was one of Hagel's closest friends in the Senate. "Bipartisan dinners also held that night honoring McCain and Colin Powell. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina will introduce McCain at a dinner." So all these Republicans are being honored on the night before Obama is immaculately inaugurated, as though they're part of the Obama administration. Our presidential candidate is being honored. I can understand liberals honoring their losers, but I just -- (tearing up story)

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Ron Brownstein, National Journal, used to be the Los Angeles Times, on PMSNBC this afternoon with Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington, she said, "Ronald Brownstein, you've written about the blue wall and the politics of this, what Democrats have been able to achieve in the last election. Obama is right there in Ohio, which is one of the critical states."

BROWNSTEIN: Democrats have now won, Andrea, 18 states for at least the last five elections consecutively, plus the District of Columbia, 248 Electoral College votes. They haven't won that many states over that long a period since Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman. They also now hold, if Franken maintains his lead, 33 of the 36 Senate seats in those 18 states, over two-thirds of the House seats, two-thirds of the governorships. They have built their strongest Electoral College base since the days of Roosevelt and Truman, and that is an important foundation for Obama. It's going to be very difficult for Republicans, I think, to systematically challenge Obama and the Democrats over time if this much of the country is virtually off-limits for them.

RUSH: The Democrats own the country. There's nothing anybody can do to stop it. We should just lay down and accept it.
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Pretty ballsy of Rush. And incredibly stupid.

[sook]

Why is it the right wing always puts party interests before the interests of the country, apart from Ron Paul that party has no moral standings whatsoever, i hope they die out.

[FromWayDowntown]

:cry They never gave Bush a chance!! They NEVER gave Bush a chance!!! :cry

Hilarious, since Rush and his ilk spent the late Fall of 1992 essentially calling for Clinton's impeachment, before Clinton ever assumed office.

[spurster]

Why does Rush hate America?

[FreeMason]

I hope it all fails so people finally begin doing things the right way and we can go on from there.

[jman3000]

I was listening when he said this... what else do you expect from him?

he's a blubbering idiot who gives us all a lesson as to what true propaganda sounds like.

that's about it.

[FreeMason]

Big government will do a bunch of things...and they, along with your media, will tell you it is working.

But it will just be more temporary bullshit band-aids where the only ones making money are your government officials and their goons. And then when the shit hits the fan, it'll just hit harder.

Big whoop.

[Cry Havoc]

Big government will do a bunch of things...and they, along with your media, will tell you it is working.

But it will just be more temporary bullshit band-aids where the only ones making money are your government officials and their goons. And then when the shit hits the fan, it'll just hit harder.

Big whoop.

Yes, because Bush's policies did so much to help our economic affairs. I'd rather have a band-aid than a hatchet to the knees.

[doobs]

To hope for Obama's failure is not the same things as hoping for the failure of America. Hoping for Obama's failure can mean more than one thing.

I hope Obama succeeds at being a good president because that would be good for the country--but that means something specific to me, and I doubt most Obama supporters would agree with me as to what constitutes a good president.

So, yes, if Obama plans on implementing policies I disagree with, then I hope he fails at that. I think some conservatives perversely hope Obama fails by fucking the country up because that will give the GOP an opportunity to win some seats in 2010. That's just stupid. I just want him to encounter voter dissatisfaction and lose elections if he pursues a left-wing agenda.

Put simply, I hope he governs as I would govern, and I wish him the best. If he governs as a left-wing ideologue, then I hope he loses reelection and the GOP gains seats in 2010. What's wrong with that?

[ClingingMars]

great to see that the libs are still paying attention to the man.

-Mars

[dg7md]

"I told you so" > greater than the expansion and growth of our country as a whole

[PuttPutt]

I don't want Obama to fail, but deep down I do. I want this country to see how worthless most of our representatives in government really are. And how they do not really care about the people.

[Creepn]

I don't want Obama to fail, but deep down I do. I want this country to see how worthless most of our representatives in government really are. And how they do not really care about the people.

So if he does succeed it will convey a message that government representatives do care about the people. Which way do you want it? Do you want him to fail in bringing back America just to selfishly prove that you were right or do you want him to succeed and youll have to be man enough to admit that maybe you were wrong?

[Cry Havoc]

I don't want Obama to fail, but deep down I do. I want this country to see how worthless most of our representatives in government really are. And how they do not really care about the people.

You stay classy, San Diego.

[ChumpDumper]

I never thought it was possible for butts to hurt this badly. Do you guys have to sit on those inflatable donut things?

[Laker Lanny]

Rush is just in allot of pain since his prescription ran out.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lets just hope he can run the country better than mugabe

[James Earl Ray]

Hey, the guy deserves a shot.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't believe it. You libtards read the transcript and don't understand it?

Rush wants him to fail because he does not want Obama campaign promises to become reality!


I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails."

You should really read it with those liberal blinders off. There's more. I'm just so fucking tired of pointing out the obvious to libtards.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I remember when Wild Cobra first started posting.

He went from pretending to be a moderate to slowly pretending to be an independent thinker that was *appalled* by how stupid some liberal posters could be "sometimes" to a hardliner somewhere to the right of Yoni.

I guess now he's just a fucking redneck with a confederate flag avatar and a bullshit sense of logic. Hooray.

[DarkReign]

You know who I miss?

Gtown. He was always entertaining.

[Wild Cobra]

I remember when Wild Cobra first started posting.

He went from pretending to be a moderate to slowly pretending to be an independent thinker that was *appalled* by how stupid some liberal posters could be "sometimes" to a hardliner somewhere to the right of Yoni.

I guess now he's just a fucking redneck with a confederate flag avatar and a bullshit sense of logic. Hooray.
If that's what you believe, so what. It just goes to show you cannot teach libtards anything. I have repeatedly, in the past, let my thoughts known about the civil war and states rights. You, however, see me as a redneck.

You prejudiced asshole!

[ratm1221]

If that's what you believe, so what. It just goes to show you cannot teach libtards anything. I have repeatedly, in the past, let my thoughts known about the civil war and states rights. You, however, see me as a redneck.

You prejudiced asshole!

State rights... you are an idiot. I wipe my butt with the Confederate Flag on occasion.

[Wild Cobra]

Hey, the guy deserves a shot.
I agree. For the sake of our country, I hope he does a good job. At the same time, I hope he fails to implement any of the Marxist policies he holds dear.

[RandomGuy]

:rolleyes

This isn't going to be some socialist power-grab intended to make-over the US into some form of communist dictatorship.

No grown-up really thinks that, but that kind of thing resonates with the drones who comprise Rush's audience.

Life will go on, and we have some problems to deal with. If pouty radio talk show hosts want to throw temper-tantrums, that is their perogative.

The rest of us have to get to work.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol That one whizzed right over your head, eh WC?

[ratm1221]

I think it's outrageously funny how Conservatives are always in super offense mode, but when someone says something about THEM they cry and cry about it and say they aren't treated fairly and the media loves the libs.

They remind me of the bully at school that stuffs kids in lockers and take their lunch money. They finally come across someone that pops them in the nose and then play the victim.

[ratm1221]

Hey, the guy deserves a shot.


I agree. For the sake of our country, I hope he does a good job. At the same time, I hope he fails to implement any of the Marxist policies he holds dear.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

:lol That one whizzed right over your head, eh WC?

:lol

It's not nice to make fun of slow people. They don't know they are slow. :nope

(hint: WC, google the name James Earl Ray)

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

It's not nice to make fun of slow people. They don't know they are slow. :nope

(hint: WC, google the name James Earl Ray)
So what. Does it really matter that I didn't know his name, or that I read it differently?

It doesn't change what I meant.

You guys sure get off easy...

[Winehole23]

Gotta admit WC, you teed yourself up for that one.

[ratm1221]

So what. Does it really matter that I didn't know his name, or that I read it differently?

It doesn't change what I meant.

You guys sure get off easy...

Laughs are better when they are at your expense. :lol

You don't know his name? With your abundant wealth of knowledge about State Rights, the Civil War, and history in general, I figured you'd be pretty well edjamacated about all those type of things. Keep waving that Confederate Flag.

[Wild Cobra]

Gotta admit WC, you teed yourself up for that one.
I don't remember every fact I'm ever exposed to. I'm especially bad with names. Let the asses have their laughs. No skin. I don't mind because they don't matter.

[clambake]

I don't remember every fact I'm ever exposed to. I'm especially bad with names. Let the asses have their laughs. No skin. I don't mind because they don't matter.

:lol is it your goal to be amazingly stupid?

[Wild Cobra]

:lol is it your goal to be amazingly stupid?

You don't matter, so laugh away.

[ratm1221]

You don't matter, so laugh away.

ok :lmao

[baseline bum]

:lol is it your goal to be amazingly stupid?

No way; the David Duke wanna-be does too good of a job at it for it to be on purpose.

[baseline bum]

If that's what you believe, so what. It just goes to show you cannot teach libtards anything. I have repeatedly, in the past, let my thoughts known about the civil war and states rights. You, however, see me as a redneck.

You prejudiced asshole!

Yeah, you have a rebel flag because you believe in state's rights. :lmao

Just like you're not a Republican.

[JoeChalupa]

Rush is a big joke. :lmao

[FromWayDowntown]

Is it patriotic of Rush to hope that Obama's policies fail so long as those policies are ones that he disagrees with? I mean, if I disagreed with President Bush's policies and hoped those policies failed, I would (undoubtedly) be labelled unpatriotic (or worse).

I guess my question for wholesale ideologues is whether the health and prosperity of the nation can, in some instances, be put aside in the hope of winning an ideological battle? Is patriotism wishing the health and prosperity of the nation or is it a matter of prevailing in a civil war of ideas?

[DarrinS]

I hope he succeeds beyond anyone's wildest dreams. He's MY president, regardless of his political persuasion.

Besides, my 401k is in the shitter.

[RandomGuy]

Gotta admit WC, you teed yourself up for that one.

ok post

Better:

Gotta admit WC, you made yourself an easy target for that one.

[RandomGuy]

You don't matter, so laugh away.

So you are saying that you need this guy like you need a hole in your head?

[Winehole23]

Better:

Gotta admit WC, you made yourself an easy target for that one.Eh, maybe. I had golfing in mind, but maybe that wasn't clear.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is trap setup to make him fail,

but hey, someone has to go through hell to fix it and come out to prove them wrong....

[2centsworth]

Is it patriotic of Rush to hope that Obama's policies fail so long as those policies are ones that he disagrees with? I mean, if I disagreed with President Bush's policies and hoped those policies failed, I would (undoubtedly) be labelled unpatriotic (or worse).

I guess my question for wholesale ideologues is whether the health and prosperity of the nation can, in some instances, be put aside in the hope of winning an ideological battle? Is patriotism wishing the health and prosperity of the nation or is it a matter of prevailing in a civil war of ideas?

I have been saying this very exact thing over the past 8 years. For the record, I hope Obama goes down as one of the best presidents ever. We shall see.

[RandomGuy]

I don't remember every fact I'm ever exposed to. I'm especially bad with names. Let the asses have their laughs. No skin. I don't mind because they don't matter.

No sense in having all sorts of useless facts ricocheting around in your head.

[RandomGuy]

Eh, maybe. I had golfing in mind, but maybe that wasn't clear.

I'm sure your next post will be a bullseye...

[RandomGuy]

No way; the David Duke wanna-be does too good of a job at it for it to be on purpose.

I think that is his general aim.

[RandomGuy]

I do feel a little sorry for WC getting caught in the crossfire.

[Cry Havoc]

Is it patriotic of Rush to hope that Obama's policies fail so long as those policies are ones that he disagrees with? I mean, if I disagreed with President Bush's policies and hoped those policies failed, I would (undoubtedly) be labelled unpatriotic (or worse).

I guess my question for wholesale ideologues is whether the health and prosperity of the nation can, in some instances, be put aside in the hope of winning an ideological battle? Is patriotism wishing the health and prosperity of the nation or is it a matter of prevailing in a civil war of ideas?

Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?

[RandomGuy]

http://www.blockbuster.co.uk/bbimages/UK/Glossy/June06/DreamTeam/TheMask.jpg


ooooh somebody stop me...

[byrontx]

So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?

[Crookshanks]

In response to Rush's monologue all I can say is - Ditto!!

[2centsworth]

Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?


As much as I disagree with Rush, I'm very happy their is loyal opposition to Obama. My contention is that over the past 8 years that not only were liberals loyal opposition, but they also hoped that Bush failed even before decisions were made.

nevertheless, i agree that it's time to put that behind us now and get back to work.

[RandomGuy]

Rush doesn't say, "I hope Obama's policies alone fail, or are voted down," he wishes for Obama to fail as a president. Considering the current state of America right now, and how much the people are suffering, you would think any patriot would be hoping for relief for this country, no matter who brings it or in what medium. Rush was a staunch supporter of the last 8 years of Bush in office, and how did that go for everyone? Clearly, Mr. Limbaugh has a good idea of what this country needs. That's why the man he supported took us to the cleaners.

You'd think he'd man up and say, "Well, if Obama can help this country, it would sure help a lot of needy families and people out there." But that would be too positive of a message to send to other human beings who are obviously so different from himself that he can never wish them well. Plus, it may piss off a lot of his listeners who are chomping at the bit for stark condemnation of Obama. So we're left with this tripe, and it saddens me. Whatever happened to country before party?


Yup.

Paying attention to Rush is a bit like watching Kabuki theater in that you know there is a stock of well-worn characters that will be trotted out and held aloft like bait for the suckerfish that comprise his audience.

X is a liberal, so therefore X is (insert emotionally negative adjective here)

X is a liberal, so therefore X will do (insert wild exaggeration about something scary to conservatives here)

X is a liberal, so therefore X said and meant (insert 1/2 truth strawman here)

:sleep

[2centsworth]

So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?

I would be in favor of that as long as they don't come begging other states/the federal government to bail them out.

[RandomGuy]

So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions? Or legalizing marijuana? Or against nuclear waste storage? How about physician assisted suicide? Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?

or for state's rights when they legalized gay marriage?

WC wants a federal constitutional amendment banning that if memory serves, so that the silly states can't do anything so crass as to decide for themselves about such things.

[Ignignokt]

Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.

Some of you like Cry Havoc are probably shitting yourselves for finally finding out there is such things as partisanship. In fact some of you like FWD and Cry Havoc are probably having a reaction much like this one;

"Partisanship no f'n way....
Oh noes!! for Real!!! OMF'n @#$@#%! and you mean to also tell me that those DQ employees can defy gravity when they dip and make those chocolotes ice cream cones!!!! Whooah!! I bet nowadays there's technology far advanced to where your phone can be your time watch and your planner at the same time!!! Oh my!! somebody get me a glass of water.

They're probably going to include camera and a music library in your phone in the future after Obama brings forth change!

Si se puede!!

Si se puede!!"

[clambake]

In response to Rush's monologue all I can say is - Ditto!!

you need summers eve. you stank.

[FromWayDowntown]

Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.

I'm not quickly pointing out anything or forgetting anything. I'm simply noting that for the last 8 years, anyone who questioned the sitting President's policies or had the temerity to hope aloud that those policies would fail was automatically labeled unpatriotic. I'm just wondering if the same is true of Rush, who is, as of this moment, questioning and hoping aloud that the sitting President's policy choices will fail, or more directly that the President himself will fail. Is he unpatriotic? If not, why were those who questioned the last President unpatriotic when Rush (as an example) is not?

Frankly, I think that anyone who actively wishes for the President to fail is a self-involved jackass and definitely has put his or her interests above the welfare of the nation. I disagreed with much that the last President did, but that didn't mean that I actively hoped for his choices to fail.

[Winehole23]

Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



"the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." --Rep. Tom Davis(VA)

[Cry Havoc]

Random Guy and FWD seem to be the quickest to point out the limbaughs real quick and selectively forget about the Nation Mag, people like NBadan, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc all wishing that Bush would fail as prez so that their ideology prevails.

Some of you like Cry Havoc are probably shitting yourselves for finally finding out there is such things as partisanship. In fact some of you like FWD and Cry Havoc are probably having a reaction much like this one;

"Partisanship no f'n way....
Oh noes!! for Real!!! OMF'n @#$@#%! and you mean to also tell me that those DQ employees can defy gravity when they dip and make those chocolotes ice cream cones!!!! Whooah!! I bet nowadays there's technology far advanced to where your phone can be your time watch and your planner at the same time!!! Oh my!! somebody get me a glass of water.

They're probably going to include camera and a music library in your phone in the future after Obama brings forth change!

Si se puede!!

Si se puede!!"

Really? Everyone wanted Bush to fail?

Please explain the former president's 90+% approval rating post 9/11. That does not seem to me like a nation divided by partisanship, one hoping that the man who doesn't follow their political desires will fail. Heck, I was on the verge of buying, "I support Bush" merchandise, something I've never done for any president from either political party (besides, "Vote Perot" because it made people laugh).

Bush had the highest approval rating in history, on both sides of the political fence, and pissed it away.

Now, the republican supporters have a chance to not only show the country that they support their president, but that they are capable of rooting for a guy that they didn't vote for. It's what this country -- as a whole -- used to do. And yet I see more and more, those who voted for McCain are still completely, utterly convinced that Obama doesn't belong in the White House. I have ZERO problems with you demanding that he earn your respect, however, you must give him a chance to earn it. Sadly, I don't think many republican supporters will ever do that. I just hope they continue to sound as fanatical as Whottt does, because it makes it pretty easy for me to decide who I'm going to vote for in 2012 unless there is a drastic turn-around from that party.

[Ignignokt]

Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



"the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." --Rep. Tom Davis(VA)

qouting someones post does not constitute reading and comprehending ones point.

[Ignignokt]

Bush did fail and the other side has prevailed.

Blaming bad mouthers for this turn of events is infantile and a failure of integrity. I thought real conservatives owned up to their shortcomings and took responsibility for their failures. Instead, typically, you preach accountability for me but not for thee.

Do you get how pathetic it sounds to blame the press, Ig? The GOP had all three branches of government. They had the whole world -- and the whole country -- behind them after 9/11. They had MSM in their pocket too, for about three years. And they still blew it.



"the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." --Rep. Tom Davis(VA)

post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.


I'm not quickly pointing out anything or forgetting anything. I'm simply noting that for the last 8 years, anyone who questioned the sitting President's policies or had the temerity to hope aloud that those policies would fail was automatically labeled unpatriotic. I'm just wondering if the same is true of Rush, who is, as of this moment, questioning and hoping aloud that the sitting President's policy choices will fail, or more directly that the President himself will fail. Is he unpatriotic? If not, why were those who questioned the last President unpatriotic when Rush (as an example) is not?

Frankly, I think that anyone who actively wishes for the President to fail is a self-involved jackass and definitely has put his or her interests above the welfare of the nation. I disagreed with much that the last President did, but that didn't mean that I actively hoped for his choices to fail.

post that does.

it simple.

and then you have Cry Havoc.

any asshole can post posts, qoute qoutes, and point out points, but it takes a real whiny poster like cry havoc to cry havoc. Nothing personal against Cry Havoc. He is just doing what his screen name suggest he supposed to do. No surprises here.

[koriwhat]

i hope rush dies from a fuckin' coke overdose or maybe a hotdog getting lodged in his throat. fuck that fat fuckin' cunt!

[Ignignokt]

i hope rush dies from a fuckin' coke overdose or maybe a hotdog getting lodged in his throat. fuck that fat fuckin' cunt!

i never wish death on anybody. But while you're here mr bar bunny, why don't you get me some buffalo wings, peanuts, and some shiner. Make yourself useful to this board.

[Winehole23]

post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.Twitting me for being off topic?

Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.

[Ignignokt]

Twitting me for being off topic?

Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.

Net ettiquette lol!! oh wow, don't make excuses. If you're qouting my post, then the most sensible thing to do is respond to what i actually said and not try to decipher my thoughts or lump me in with a group of people you detest.

No netiquette required here, just basic understanding.

[DarkReign]

Twitting me for being off topic?

Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I had no idea netiquette was enforced in ST.


Net ettiquette lol!! oh wow, don't make excuses. If you're qouting my post, then the most sensible thing to do is respond to what i actually said and not try to decipher my thoughts or lump me in with a group of people you detest.

No netiquette required here, just basic understanding.

Winehole, meet Gtown.

Gtown, Winehole.

[Ignignokt]

Winehole, meet Gtown.

Gtown, Winehole.

Winehole reminds me a little of Extra Stout.

[Cry Havoc]

post that doesn't pertain to the subject matter.

post that does.

it simple.

and then you have Cry Havoc.

any asshole can post posts, qoute qoutes, and point out points, but it takes a real whiny poster like cry havoc to cry havoc. Nothing personal against Cry Havoc. He is just doing what his screen name suggest he supposed to do. No surprises here.

Yes, because calling someone out on their username is well-played, considering that yours is from a late night adult-swim cartoon. You've got me trumped there. Shakespeare really can't compete with Aqua Teen. You're just doing what you do, waddling around in your 2D universe firing lasers at people. :rolleyes

It IS humorous though. You think I'm whining. I'm actually quite glad that we're seeing this reaction to Obama being elected. It's like watching an idiot shoot himself in the foot with a gun and then inspect the barrel with his eyes to see what went wrong. The republican party (or at least their high-profile pundits) are showing their true colors and destroying their reputation in doing so.

I am GRATEFUL for this ability to so easily discern patriots from people who just want to have their way or else start moaning about the inadequacy of the "other" and then doing every attention-seeking thing possible when a single election doesn't go like they planned (see my original post for a fantastic example of this).

I personally know several staunch republicans who wish Obama well if it means the betterment of our country. They're a good example of patriotism in action. Sadly, the higher up in the party I go, the less I see that. 56% of republicans in Congress and the House thought Bush did a good job. That's all I need to know when thinking about who they nominate for their next candidate. So, I thank them for making my job as as an American much easier. I was around 50/50 on voting before the primaries, thinking maybe Bush was just a one-shot mistake. Now I feel that party is a laughingstock, and I'm happy that they continue to crystallize the situation for me.

[implacable44]

I second Rush -- motion passed and carried. Here is to hoping Obama fails as President in his attempt to finish what Woodrow Wilson and FDR started..

[Ignignokt]

Yes, because calling someone out on their username is well-played, considering that yours is from a late night adult-swim cartoon. You've got me trumped there. Shakespeare really can't compete with Aqua Teen. You're just doing what you do, waddling around in your 2D universe firing lasers at people. :rolleyes

It IS humorous though. You think I'm whining. I'm actually quite glad that we're seeing this reaction to Obama being elected. It's like watching an idiot shoot himself in the foot with a gun and then inspect the barrel with his eyes to see what went wrong. The republican party (or at least their high-profile pundits) are showing their true colors and destroying their reputation in doing so.

I am GRATEFUL for this ability to so easily discern patriots from people who just want to have their way or else start moaning about the inadequacy of the "other" and then doing every attention-seeking thing possible when a single election doesn't go like they planned (see my original post for a fantastic example of this).

I personally know several staunch republicans who wish Obama well if it means the betterment of our country. They're a good example of patriotism in action. Sadly, the higher up in the party I go, the less I see that. 56% of republicans in Congress and the House thought Bush did a good job. That's all I need to know when thinking about who they nominate for their next candidate. So, I thank them for making my job as as an American much easier. I was around 50/50 on voting before the primaries, thinking maybe Bush was just a one-shot mistake. Now I feel that party is a laughingstock, and I'm happy that they continue to crystallize the situation for me.


Considering Shakespeare might have been a plaigerizer, yeah maybe being the laser shooting mooninite isn't such a bad idea.

But, yeah okay Cry Havoc, you're right. Extreme partisanship was born here on this date 1.20.09.

[FromWayDowntown]

I second Rush -- motion passed and carried. Here is to hoping Obama fails as President in his attempt to finish what Woodrow Wilson and FDR started..

So is implacable unpatriotic?

Would implacable have called me unpatriotic for having uttered identical hopes for the Bush Presidency?

[Winehole23]

Net ettiquette lol!! oh wow, don't make excuses. If you're qouting my post, then the most sensible thing to do is respond to what i actually said and not try to decipher my thoughts or lump me in with a group of people you detest.

No netiquette required here, just basic understanding.It's more than possible I got you wrong. If so, my bad.

OTOH, you're not exactly a paragon of clarity....

[DarkReign]

Winehole reminds me a little of Extra Stout.

Extremely similar. Both very smart and both have a unique command of the language.

Give him a chance, G. Hes cool beans.

[DarkReign]

OTOH, you're not exactly a paragon of clarity....

:lmao

So true.

[implacable44]

So is implacable unpatriotic?

Would implacable have called me unpatriotic for having uttered identical hopes for the Bush Presidency?

No sir I would not have... I wish Bush would have failed with all of his bail outs and his reluctance to protect the border.

[DarkReign]

So is implacable unpatriotic?

According to the standard those who questioned Bush were subject to, yes.


Would implacable have called me unpatriotic for having uttered identical hopes for the Bush Presidency?

Absolutely. Which is why they should be reminded of that fact by as many people as often as possible. But they should also understand it is being said in jest, and that no one actually believes they are unpatriotic for that reason alone.

Its just to point out the bizzaro world people lived in during the Bush Reign who had the audacity to question his leadership and decision-making.

[Crookshanks]

If a person is diametrically and adamently opposed to Obama's views and policies, then why wouldn't they wish he would fail? I don't want national healthcare, I don't want Gitmo closed, I don't want any and all restrictions removed from abortion on demand, and I don't want the government taking over everything they can get their hands on - so yes - I want Obama to fail.

[FromWayDowntown]

If a person is diametrically and adamently opposed to Obama's views and policies, then why wouldn't they wish he would fail? I don't want national healthcare, I don't want Gitmo closed, I don't want any and all restrictions removed from abortion on demand, and I don't want the government taking over everything they can get their hands on - so yes - I want Obama to fail.

So you'll be disappointed if the implementation of Obama's policies means a reversal in the economy and no dramatic change or even an improvement in our security?

[RandomGuy]

It's more than possible I got you wrong. If so, my bad.

OTOH, you're not exactly a paragon of clarity....

You might want to try this little thread where Ikantnot(whatever) stepped on his dick and very explicitly showed both his bias and his ignorance at the same time. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91934)

It is one of my favorites.

[DarkReign]

If a person is diametrically and adamently opposed to Obama's views and policies, then why wouldn't they wish he would fail? I don't want national healthcare, I don't want Gitmo closed, I don't want any and all restrictions removed from abortion on demand, and I don't want the government taking over everything they can get their hands on - so yes - I want Obama to fail.

nvm

[implacable44]

So you'll be disappointed if the implementation of Obama's policies means a reversal in the economy and no dramatic change or even an improvement in our security?

it will not reverse our economy -- you want to get out of debt by spending more money ?

He offers no improvement for our borders or our security. We will be a weaker nation.

[FromWayDowntown]

it will not reverse our economy -- you want to get out of debt by spending more money ?

He offers no improvement for our borders or our security. We will be a weaker nation.

Those are your concerns.

What I'm asking is this: if Obama's policies make a positive difference on the economy and if Obama's policies preserve the status quo from a security standpoint, will you be disappointed?

[implacable44]

Those are your concerns.

What I'm asking is this: if Obama's policies make a positive difference on the economy and if Obama's policies preserve the status quo from a security standpoint, will you be disappointed?

at what cost ? nationalizing everything ? then yes i will be disappointed. Capitalism please...

[Cry Havoc]

it will not reverse our economy -- you want to get out of debt by spending more money ?

He offers no improvement for our borders or our security. We will be a weaker nation.

:lmao

Incredible. When was the last time we had a surplus? With "tax and spend" Clinton. How about that.

I'm glad you have a crystal ball that unequivocally says Obama will fail. Must be nice to live in a universe that you're splashing around so omnisciently in.

[FromWayDowntown]

at what cost ? nationalizing everything ? then yes i will be disappointed. Capitalism please...

So you'd rather that the economy fail than see policies you disagree with implemented, even if those policies brought success?

It's little wonder our political society is so polarized. Its not about the success of the nation any more -- it's about prevailing in the war of ideas, first and foremost.

[implacable44]

So you'd rather that the economy fail than see policies you disagree with implemented, even if those policies brought success?

It's little wonder our political society is so polarized. Its not about the success of the nation any more -- it's about prevailing in the war of ideas, first and foremost.

Yes - I would rather stay America -- than surrender all my rights, opportunities and property than become china or russia - and nationalize industry. Capitalism sir.. Capitalism and the Constitution.

[FromWayDowntown]

Yes - I would rather stay America -- than surrender all my rights, opportunities and property than become china or russia - and nationalize industry. Capitalism sir.. Capitalism and the Constitution.

So even if Obama stops short of the socialism you fear -- and there's no way he's going to get close to what you fear -- you still hope that he fails? Better that the Republicans be right than that America flourish with a Democrat in office!?!?

[Cry Havoc]

Yes - I would rather stay America -- than surrender all my rights, opportunities and property than become china or russia - and nationalize industry. Capitalism sir.. Capitalism and the Constitution.

And this is why McCain lost the election. Because his supporters make statements like this that show how idiotic they are. There is absolutely no way to even begin to have rational discourse with you. If I wanted to hear someone repeat this tired, dogmatic, pathetic driveling excuse for political posturing, I would listen to Sean Hannity or Pat Robertson.

[Bartleby]

Capitalism sir.. Capitalism and the Constitution.

Bush has shown a remarkable ability to botch up the former and a complete disregard for the latter, but hey, keep drinking that Kool Aid. It's easier than thinking.

[implacable44]

And this is why McCain lost the election. Because his supporters make statements like this that show how idiotic they are. There is absolutely no way to even begin to have rational discourse with you. If I wanted to hear someone repeat this tired, dogmatic, pathetic driveling excuse for political posturing, I would listen to Sean Hannity or Pat Robertson.

Mccain lost the election because he had no conservative base. He was the lesser of two evils. There were two democrats running this year - one of them just had on sheeps clothing. Don't kid yourself.

bartleby - Capitalism works - Capitalism is why we are the most prosperous nation on the planet even today... capitalism is why a VCR cost $1,381 dollars in 1981 and now it costs $50 at wal-mart.

We need to get back to the constitution and if you are stupid enough to believe Bush is solely responsible for things then :
1. You are an idiot
2. You must admit he is the most intelligent..most persuasive man on the planet

Both parties brought us here -- alongwith more than a few foreign dollars. Clintons love that Chinese money eh....

[FromWayDowntown]

We need to get back to the constitution and if you are stupid enough to believe Bush is solely responsible for things then :
1. You are an idiot
2. You must admit he is the most intelligent..most persuasive man on the planet

Both parties brought us here -- alongwith more than a few foreign dollars. Clintons love that Chinese money eh....

Wait -- then why wish for Obama to fail?

Any such failure won't be Obama's, at least not according to the logic that you just used to absolve President Bush.

[implacable44]

I am not absolving President Bush.. I said he is not solely responsible for this mess. You can go back to Wilson where this all began - FDR - ...Clintons selling our country to the Chinese. Bush nationalizing industry - congress allowing it. -

[FromWayDowntown]

I am not absolving President Bush.. I said he is not solely responsible for this mess. You can go back to Wilson where this all began - FDR - ...Clintons selling our country to the Chinese. Bush nationalizing industry - congress allowing it. -

But if things don't get fixed, it's Obama's failure?

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm also curious to know what, constitutionally, would change the economy?

[ChumpDumper]

implacable just hates America like all the board Republicans now do.

[implacable44]

But if things don't get fixed, it's Obama's failure?

no - -your question references his policies. - my response was I was not willing to sacrifice rights, property etc.. national soveriegnty or what we have left of it for the economy.

[implacable44]

implacable just hates America like all the board Republicans now do.

dung you hate america -- I was watching big love last night and I couldn;t help but see how you and Albie are the same.

[ChumpDumper]

dung you hate america -- I was watching big love last night and I couldn;t help but see how you and Albie are the same.I'm not the one hoping for America to fail, you are. You hate America. I took a shit this morning and i couldn't help but notice that you and a big turd are the same.

[implacable44]

I don't want America to fail. I dont want to be a socialist nation on my way to communism - nor do I want to be a citizen of the world.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't want America to fail. I dont want to be a socialist nation on my way to communism - nor do I want to be a citizen of the world.Too bad you are already a citizen of the world -- and America will never be a communist nation. You just like feeling artificially afraid and oppressed. Lots of white folk do.

[implacable44]

no I don't . Wilson tried it - FDR tried it -- Obama will try it.

[ChumpDumper]

no I don't . Wilson tried it - FDR tried it -- Obama will try it.No they didn't.

Those guys saved capitalism so idiots like you could spend their time and money scaring themselves and whining about nonexistent oppression.

[FromWayDowntown]

no - -your question references his policies. - my response was I was not willing to sacrifice rights, property etc.. national soveriegnty or what we have left of it for the economy.

No, my question is one of results. If Obama is successful, you'll be unhappy because (presumably) the policies used to achieve success will be at odds with your philosophical bent.

My sole point in discussing this with you has been to test your logic; I think it's interesting that you'd place victory in the battle of ideas ahead of the national welfare. When people did that during the Bush administration, they were deemed unpatriotic by those who most vigorously supported the President. So I wondered aloud whether the same nonsensical name-calling would apply to someone who was generally sympathetic to the right was willing to go on record with that sort of hope.

I've tried to figure out whether that's what you actually hope for -- a failing national welfare to win the battle of ideas -- and you've proven that to be your agenda. Beyond that, I've simply quarreled with your reasoning. If Bush isn't to blame for where we are, I don't see how you can forecast that anything that happens in the next 4 years can be categorized as a success or failure by Obama, given that what has come before has put him in this situation.

Of course, I happen to think that most of the Bush Presidency, save the absence of further domestic terrorist attacks, can be deemed a failure and I frankly think that Obama will succeed if he can undo even a small portion of the failure that the Bush administration has wrought. And if he succeeds in that, I think it will be good for America -- but I'd think that true no matter who the President is.

The bottom line matters; we're all better off if Obama succeeds, just as we all would have been better off if Bush had succeeded.

[Cry Havoc]

no - -your question references his policies. - my response was I was not willing to sacrifice rights, property etc.. national soveriegnty or what we have left of it for the economy.

:lmao


No, my question is one of results. If Obama is successful, you'll be unhappy because (presumably) the policies used to achieve success will be at odds with your philosophical bent.

My sole point in discussing this with you has been to test your logic; I think it's interesting that you'd place victory in the battle of ideas ahead of the national welfare. When people did that during the Bush administration, they were deemed unpatriotic by those who most vigorously supported the President. So I wondered aloud whether the same nonsensical name-calling would apply to someone who was generally sympathetic to the right was willing to go on record with that sort of hope.

I've tried to figure out whether that's what you actually hope for -- a failing national welfare to win the battle of ideas -- and you've proven that to be your agenda. Beyond that, I've simply quarreled with your reasoning. If Bush isn't to blame for where we are, I don't see how you can forecast that anything that happens in the next 4 years can be categorized as a success or failure by Obama, given that what has come before has put him in this situation.

Of course, I happen to think that most of the Bush Presidency, save the absence of further domestic terrorist attacks, can be deemed a success and I frankly think that Obama will succeed if he can undo even a small portion of the failure that the Bush administration has wrought. And if he succeeds in that, I think it will be good for America -- but I'd think that true no matter who the President is.

The bottom line matters; we're all better off if Obama succeeds, just as we all would have been better off if Bush had succeeded.

Extremely well-put.

[Darrin]

We have common ground to judge in history. If we continue to believe that all we have is our own belief system to view the world then how small do you think the average American mind has become?

[Wild Cobra]

I do feel a little sorry for WC getting caught in the crossfire.
What crossfire? All I see is shit flying that is far off target. No worries.

[Wild Cobra]

So, WC, you are for states rights when California decides to pass laws compelling auto manufacturers to lower emissions?

I have no problems if it doesn't affect the cost of cars to other states.



Or legalizing marijuana?

Fine with me. I smoke it myself from time to time.



Or against nuclear waste storage?

No problems. However, they would be hard pressed to do so if they used nuclear power.



How about physician assisted suicide?

We have that in Oregon. I'm fine with it.



Or issuing id cards to illegal immigrants?

Problems there since the constitution specifically grants congress immigration powers.

[DrHouse]

###### ###### ###### ###### ######

Rush would have accomplished the same thing had he said just that. It's what 99% of his audience is thinking anyways.

[doobs]

###### ###### ###### ###### ######

Rush would have accomplished the same thing had he said just that. It's what 99% of his audience is thinking anyways.

Wow.

First of all, what makes you think it's acceptable to write that word? I don't care what race you are, that word is vile and shouldn't be spoken or written.

Second of all, what makes you so sure 99% of Rush's audience is racist? That just shows how bigoted and stupid you really are. After all, you're the one throwing around the n-word.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow.

First of all, what makes you think it's acceptable to write that word? I don't care what race you are, that word is vile and shouldn't be spoken or written.

Second of all, what makes you so sure 99% of Rush's audience is racist? That just shows how bigoted and stupid you really are. After all, you're the one throwing around the n-word.

I just about made a similar remark, but sometimes, utter stupidity should just be ignored.

[Shastafarian]

I just about made a similar remark, but sometimes, utter stupidity should just be ignored.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=8523&dateline=1231797908

[ClingingMars]

I hope he succeeds beyond anyone's wildest dreams. He's MY president, regardless of his political persuasion.

Besides, my 401k is in the shitter.

+1

the problem is, i don't believe his policies WILL succeed. hoping something succeeds and it actually WORKING are two very different things.

-Mars

[ClingingMars]

###### ###### ###### ###### ######

Rush would have accomplished the same thing had he said just that. It's what 99% of his audience is thinking anyways.

what a shocker. a liberal throwing out the n word. :rolleyes predictable. and an idiot Laker fan to boot.

-Mars

[RandomGuy]

What crossfire? All I see is shit flying that is far off target. No worries.

It was a pun. A riff off the meme where you didn't recognize the assassin of Dr. MLK on MLK day.

You suck, and that's sad. :depressed

[Wild Cobra]

It was a pun. A riff off the meme where you didn't recognize the assassin of Dr. MLK on MLK day.

You suck, and that's sad. :depressed
Just because I didn't remember a name.

Wow...

What expectations.

[Winehole23]

Just because I didn't remember a name.

Wow...

What expectations.American history. You should get friendly with it sometime, WC. Do you read history?

[Winehole23]

Hell, newspapers?

[Winehole23]

Ever watch the History Channel, WC?

[Wild Cobra]

American history. You should get friendly with it sometime, WC. Do you read history?


Hell, newspapers?


Ever watch the History Channel, WC?
Why are you being an ass over this?

My God man... You act as if I should be perfect. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Get over it.

[doobs]

Why are you being an ass over this?

My God man... You act as if I should be perfect. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Get over it.

I think they're riding you so hard because of the confederate battle flag. James Earl Ray killed a man who fought against the oppression of blacks, which is what that flag represents to many.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I understand that there are people who can love the flag without being racist. Some people just love their Southern heritage. And some people just love the spirit of rebellion. The confederate battle flag is not the swastika.

But you have to expect some people giving you a hard time. Especially when you start displaying the flag around the time when our first black president is inaugurated.

[Winehole23]

I think they're riding you so hard because of the confederate battle flag. James Earl Ray killed a man who fought against the oppression of blacks, which is what that flag represents to many.I ride WC hard because he talks out of his ass, pompously ridicules others for what he only imagines they say, and obstinately refuses all correction.

I started to ride WC long before he adopted the confederate battle standard as an avatar, and I will continue to long after he puts it away. WC is a bully, profane, ignorant and rude to people. My feeling about southern men and their quaint attachment to symbols of lost causes has nothing to do with it.


Not to beat a dead horse, but I understand that there are people who can love the flag without being racist. Some people just love their Southern heritage. And some people just love the spirit of rebellion. The confederate battle flag is not the swastika.God forbid some genteel agrarian humanist or free mind, oblivious to the insult his banner gives others, should get singed by the flames. That would be very unfortunate.


But you have to expect some people giving you a hard time. Especially when you start displaying the flag around the time when our first black president is inaugurated.The timing is rather provocative. Do you guess WC picked his spot out of mischief or ignorance or both, doobs?

[doobs]

I ride WC hard because he talks out of his ass, pompously ridicules others for what he only imagines they say, and obstinately refuses all correction.

I started to ride WC long before he adopted the confederate battle standard as an avatar, and I will continue to long after he puts it away. WC is a bully, profane, ignorant and rude to people. My feeling about southern men and their quaint attachment to symbols of lost causes has nothing to do with it.

God forbid some genteel agrarian humanist or free mind, oblivious to the insult his banner gives others, should get singed by the flames. That would be very unfortunate.

The timing is rather provocative. Do you guess WC did picked his spot out of mischief or ignorance or both, doobs?

Well, I was trying to gently scold him. I have no idea why he chose to display the confederate battle flag. And, yes, his timing is strange.

[Cry Havoc]

It's HILARIOUS how FWD completely shut the haters up in this thread.

[Wild Cobra]

I think they're riding you so hard because of the confederate battle flag. James Earl Ray killed a man who fought against the oppression of blacks, which is what that flag represents to many.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I understand that there are people who can love the flag without being racist. Some people just love their Southern heritage. And some people just love the spirit of rebellion. The confederate battle flag is not the swastika.

But you have to expect some people giving you a hard time. Especially when you start displaying the flag around the time when our first black president is inaugurated.
I agree. However they will not admit their prejudice. When they realize it does not stand for slavery, I will consider taking it down. Until then, as long as I see these racist threads about whites...

Fuck them!

Someone has to stand up for rights.

How many things in peoples signatures offend others? Should they all be removed?

[Wild Cobra]

Well, I was trying to gently scold him. I have no idea why he chose to display the confederate battle flag. And, yes, his timing is strange.
My timing yes, is on purpose.

I'm tired of racism against whites!

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm tired of racism against whites!

:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Poor, oppressed whitey.

[DarkReign]

My timing yes, is on purpose.

I'm tired of racism against whites!

WC, just....stop. Stop now and let this thread die.

Old saying "Choose your hill to die on."

This isnt it, trust me.

[Winehole23]

Racism is now officially dead. Except of course for racism against whites.



Wave that victim flag, WC. Maybe your oppressed buddies will wave back.

[Winehole23]

Has Obama delivered on the four big things outlined in his first inaugural? Jonathan Chait says yes:


The conservative view of President Obama has straddled two difficult-to-reconcile portraits. One indicts him as a “Reagan of the left (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-obama-unbound/2013/01/24/10d43996-6660-11e2-9e1b-07db1d2ccd5b_story.html),” fundamentally (and, in their view, disastrously) altering the shape of the state. The other casts him as a hapless mediocrity, a Jimmy Carter redux (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/03/bobby-jindal-says-obama-worse-than-jimmy-carter/). At the moment, the latter view is more in evidence — just in the last week, columns have appeared with headlines like “Is It Too Late for Obama to Rescue His Legacy? (http://theweek.com/article/index/262484/is-it-too-late-for-obama-to-rescue-his-legacy#axzz33hVZ6SoS)” and “The Failed Presidency of Barack Obama (http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/04/the-failed-presidency-of-barack-obama/).”


On January 20, 2009, when Obama delivered his inaugural address (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics/20text-obama.html?pagewanted=all) as president, he outlined his coming domestic agenda in two sentences summarizing the challenges he identified: “Homes have been lost, jobs shed, businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly, our schools fail too many, and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.” Those were the four major areas of domestic reform: economic recovery measures, health-care reform, a response to climate change, and education reform. (To the justifiable dismay of immigration advocates, Obama did not call for immigration reform at the time, and immigration reform is now the only possible remaining area for significant domestic reform.) With the announcement of the largest piece of his environmental program last Monday, Obama has now accomplished major policy responses on all these things. There is enormous room left to debate whether Obama’s agenda in all these areas qualifies as good or bad, but “ineffectual” seems as though it should be ruled out at this point.http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/obama-has-now-fulfilled-his-4-big-promises.html

[SnakeBoy]

So you'd rather that the economy fail than see policies you disagree with implemented, even if those policies brought success?

It's little wonder our political society is so polarized. Its not about the success of the nation any more -- it's about prevailing in the war of ideas, first and foremost.

[spurraider21]

Im not rooting for trump policies to fail. I'm rooting for his policies to not get implemented because I think they will fail.

But once they're in effect? Yeah, I hope they'll succeed. I'm going to be in the job market by the end of his first year. I also hope climate change turns out to be a Chinese hoax. I just have my doubts