Lebrons massive head colission with Ariza (Video) [Archive]

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 03:00 PM

he is and has always been a pussy.....but he was mugged alot last night and there were no fouls called

i agree, but i think the refs called more fouls that had contact on the hands and arms compared to fouls on the body. They let them bang yesterday but blew whistles on the shots themselves.

Fabbs

01-20-2009, 03:09 PM

Exact same play Kome did to save the *win* when DWade had the ball going for the tie a week ago.....

Thunder Dan

01-20-2009, 03:14 PM

i agree, but i think the refs called more fouls that had contact on the hands and arms compared to fouls on the body. They let them bang yesterday but blew whistles on the shots themselves.

they wouldn't call a foul because Kobe was on Lebron and they didn't want Kobe getting in foul trouble because people were not watching to see Kobe sit on the bench. That is why last night there were no fouls called. Stern didn't want anyone in foul trouble because it slows the game down and takes names out of the lineups. Last night was the worst officiating I've seen in a long time, not just against the Cavs..on both sides

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 03:14 PM

Exact same play Kome did to save the *win* when DWade had the ball going for the tie a week ago.....

yup. but Kome got stitches and didnt cry like a baby.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 03:19 PM

yup. but Kome got stitches and didnt cry like a baby.

He also did not get called for a foul.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 03:21 PM

The refs swallowed their whistles a lot last night, against both LeBron and Kobe. Kobe had a couple of drives that certainly looked like fouls. LeBron definitely got mugged a couple times and didn't get the call.

timvp

01-20-2009, 03:22 PM

That looked like it hurt about as much as a dislocated finger.

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 03:23 PM

He also did not get called for a foul.

chest pound intensity

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 03:27 PM

How can you reach in, not get the ball, headbutt someone and not be called for a foul?

Reck

01-20-2009, 03:28 PM

LOL that was priceless.

JoeTait75

01-20-2009, 03:40 PM

LeBron is like Shaq in his heyday, in that he'll never get close to every call he deserves to get.

Fabbs

01-20-2009, 03:41 PM

That looked like it hurt about as much as a dislocated finger.
:lol That made my day.
Thank you.

TheMACHINE

yup. but Kome got stitches and didnt cry like a baby.
Yeah, he just took the bogus no call to preserve the win and did not refuse stiches by the trainer. What a man, what valor. (Says the Kobebuttsniffer)

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 03:45 PM

Yeah, he just took the bogus no call to preserve the win and did not refuse stiches by the trainer. What a man, what valor. (Says the Kobebuttsniffer)

ok

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 03:47 PM

How can you reach in, not get the ball, headbutt someone and not be called for a foul?

the same way you can drive in get bumped by two guys and get a traveling call instead of a foul call. Thats how refs are.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 03:48 PM

the same way you can drive in get bumped by two guys and get a traveling call instead of a foul call. Thats how refs are.

Are you talking about when Kobe traveled throught the lane when they lost to the Spurs?

DrHouse

01-20-2009, 04:09 PM

It's kind of funny how Spur fan is the biggest Laker hater of any team.

I think it has something to do with the fact that the Lakers are 4-1 against them this decade.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 04:17 PM

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 04:18 PM

Fd1mKaxN6EY

JamStone

01-20-2009, 04:43 PM

How can you reach in, not get the ball, headbutt someone and not be called for a foul?

Because LeBron led with his right arm to shove off the defender, being the one who was creating body contact, the head butt was so slight, it was basically like incidental contact and wasn't very apparent except for the fact LeBron dove in reaction to it. It was a good no-call.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 04:52 PM

Was the Wade heatbutt a good no call as well? Nor did Lebron extend his arm. It was not crazy contact, but anything head to head has to be something, no?

Sportcamper

01-20-2009, 04:55 PM

Nobody “Mugs” LeBron…He his at least 270 lbs & lowers his head & bulls through people like Sam “Bam Bam” Cunningham…

anakha

01-20-2009, 04:56 PM

It's kind of funny how Spur fan is the biggest Laker hater of any team.

I think it has something to do with the fact that the Lakers are 4-1 against them this decade.

4-1, FAGGOT!!!

Fabbs

01-20-2009, 04:58 PM

Because LeBron led with his right arm to shove off the defender, being the one who was creating body contact,
So Lebron initiated contact and the headbutt was ever so slight? I have good Detroit used car for sale for you.

Was the Wade heatbutt a good no call as well?
DPG21920, grab a Snickers bar.

And we all know how these calls would have went had Pinky Boi Kobe been on the recieving end of both headbutts.

Reck

01-20-2009, 05:00 PM

It's kind of funny how Spur fan is the biggest Laker hater of any team.

I think it has something to do with the fact that the Lakers are 4-1 against them this decade.

You're like a broken record. Dude needs to chill and realize most Spurs fans dont give a rat's ass about the past. I personally dont dwell on loses after the second day let alone shit that happened years ago.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 05:12 PM

In any given game, there can be dozens of headbutts, of varying degree of contact, during play. This one was a love tap compared to real physical contacts, and the type I would guess rarely would be called, even for superstars like LeBron.

As for LeBron not leading with his right arm, did you watch the video? I don't know how you can argue that he didn't. Not a foul on LeBron, but not a foul on Ariza either for that body contact.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 05:14 PM

Everyone "leads" with an arm, it is a natural movement. The extension is what normally gets called. He did not extend to any degree to warrant a foul at all. As I said, the contact was minimal, but reaching in is a foul on its own, let alone with any kind of head contact.

Only seems worse because it comes after the massive headbutt from Kobe to Wade that was ignored. Just wierd because I have not seen that many headbutts at all that I can remember this year. Not a big deal, but it is fun to see Laker fans complain about calls and then defend certain other things.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 05:18 PM

Well, why put words in my mouth then? I never said "extended." I said LeBron "led" with his arm, which he did. He created the contact. I just said it wasn't a foul on LeBron either. Just not a foul on Ariza for the body contact. And reaching is not a foul on its own if there isn't initiated body contact on the defender reaching. That was my point to begin with. The head contact was about as minimal as you can get and wasn't very noticeable except for LeBron's reaction. If LeBron didn't flop and dive, you wouldn't even argue the point. It was clearly a flop in an attempt to get a call.

hhml

01-20-2009, 05:36 PM

It is a flop indeed. If you look at the replay, he clearly holds his head right after he noticed the ball was about to change possession, trying to sell the foul.

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 05:37 PM

I think it is funny for a Laker fan who should not be worried about a Spurs team they have dominated to post so much garbage on a Spurs board. Maybe it has something to do with which franchise has most recently won a championship.

dude i posted a video about Lebron and Ariza and you freakin turn it into a kobe hate fest as like every other thread you post on. Your hate for Kobe runs so deep you think it was Kobe who "traveled" in the spurs game when it was Trevor Ariza.

TheMACHINE

01-20-2009, 05:38 PM

Not a big deal, but it is fun to see Laker fans complain about calls and then defend certain other things.

is fun to see Spurs fans complain about calls and then defend certain other things

ok...works both ways

DrHouse

01-20-2009, 05:45 PM

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 05:46 PM

dude i posted a video about Lebron and Ariza and you freakin turn it into a kobe hate fest as like every other thread you post on. Your hate for Kobe runs so deep you think it was Kobe who "traveled" in the spurs game when it was Trevor Ariza.

I do not hate Kobe at all. You obivously suck at reading. I know the last play of the game was called on Ariza. I was talking about during the Spurs game when Kobe clearly walked through the lane and hit a floater.

I was the one who posted the you tube video of the Ariza "travel" and said IT WAS A BAD CALL.

Fucking Pwned.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 05:47 PM

Like I said, before you try and understand what any Spur fan says you must first understand how deep their hatred for the Lakers is because the Lakers have destroyed them in the playoffs so many times this decade. Once you understand that, it's easy to see why their takes are so misguided.

How many rings do the Lakers have in the past decade? Spurs? Just because teams have a rivalry does not mean you hate everyone. I greatly admire the Lakers and show them the most respect. I post fairly. I have already explained that it is the Laker's fans that most people have a problem with.

DrHouse

01-20-2009, 05:48 PM

How many rings do the Lakers have in the past decade? Spurs?

How many victories do the Spurs have against the Lakers in the past decade? Spurs?

4-1

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 05:49 PM

1999-2009

Reck

01-20-2009, 05:50 PM

Drhouse is a complete idiot. Welcome to my ignore list. :)

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 05:51 PM

Congrats on winning the I beat the Spurs in the playoffs trophy.

Lakers_55

01-20-2009, 06:10 PM

I had to watch the video 4 times before I could be sure if there was any contact. Also, I can't tell who would be at fault.

2 things though, he didn't react to it until the ball was turned over, and the score wasn't close. I don't remember what the announcers said about it, I was channel surfing around this time to catch a bit of the Lost marathon on Sci-Fi. So, looks like a good non-call.

Purple & Gold

01-20-2009, 06:25 PM

Congrats on winning the I beat the Spurs in the playoffs trophy.

The Lakers will win the Team of the Decade Title too :toast

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 06:52 PM

The Lakers will win the Team of the Decade Title too :toast

Except the Spurs have more championships in the last 10 years and the best winning % out of any sports franchise in the United States. Good try though.

Purple & Gold

01-20-2009, 06:58 PM

If the Lakers win one more they will win Team of the Decade. spurs would just win the best winning % trophy.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:00 PM

If the Lakers win one more they will win Team of the Decade. spurs would just win the best winning % trophy.

If the Lakers win one more it will be 4-4 with the winning % going to the Spurs. How will they be considered the team of the decade and bump the Spurs out?

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:01 PM

Spurs since their first chip have not had any tank years. They have always won 50+ games .

JamStone

01-20-2009, 07:03 PM

Spurs were knocked out in the first round in the 2000 playoffs, after their first chip.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:04 PM

Spurs were knocked out in the first round in the 2000 playoffs, after their first chip.

I edited that bc I remember Duncan was hurt that playoffs.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 07:05 PM

If the Lakers win one more it will be 4-4 with the winning % going to the Spurs. How will they be considered the team of the decade and bump the Spurs out?

1999 is not in the 2000 decade.

ginobili's bald spot

01-20-2009, 07:05 PM

Interesting how the pain doesn't set in until after he loses the ball.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:08 PM

1999 is not in the 2000 decade.

I thought we were referring to the last decade, as in the last 10 years.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 07:10 PM

When people analyze the history of the NBA and the greatness of teams, do they ask questions like, "who was the best team from 1967 to 1977?" Or do they ask questions like, "who was the best team of the 80s or the 90s?"

Purple & Gold

01-20-2009, 07:12 PM

If the Lakers win one more it will be 4-4 with the winning % going to the Spurs. How will they be considered the team of the decade and bump the Spurs out?

Because the 3peat is the tiebreaker and I'm even being nice and including your 1999 strike shortened Title.

Purple & Gold

01-20-2009, 07:13 PM

Yeah a decade is 70's, 80's, 90's etc. That's pretty much for all sports.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:19 PM

When saying a decade and acknowledging the time from when the Spurs got Duncan, it would seem that where I was coming from made sense. Obviously the Lakers have more history.

But fair enough. Even if we keep it only in the 2000's, it is not clearly the Lakers. Although the Lakers 3-peated (which is amazing) the Spurs have been more consistent in always competing for a title and winning titles in the same time frame.

sook

01-20-2009, 07:28 PM

puhs eee

IronMexican

01-20-2009, 07:31 PM

Lakers with more head to head wins.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:33 PM

Lakers with more head to head wins.

You can point to teams the Lakers have worse records than compared to the Spurs.

That would be like saying the Warriors are better than the Mavs because of head to head. A bad match up does not = better.

Purple & Gold

01-20-2009, 07:35 PM

IronMexican

01-20-2009, 07:38 PM

So head to head wins mean nothing? Jesus. I wont even waste my time.

JamStone

01-20-2009, 07:40 PM

You can point to teams the Lakers have worse records than compared to the Spurs.

That would be like saying the Warriors are better than the Mavs because of head to head. A bad match up does not = better.

Sure it does, when it means that bad match-up is the result of one team beating the other team head-to-head.

The Warriors were the better team than the Mavs in 2007.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:49 PM

3peat is the tiebreaker the spurs can't even win back to back.

The Lakers had 3 sub 50 win seasons in a row (05,06,07), got knocked out of the first round twice (06,07) and did not even make the playoffs once (05) which was a season in which they had a losing record.

The Spurs have never won less than 53 games and have only not made it out of the first round once (when Duncan did not play).

I do not know how you can weight the 3 peat more than that.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:50 PM

So head to head wins mean nothing? Jesus. I wont even waste my time.

Who said it means nothing? I said that is not the end all be all.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:50 PM

Sure it does, when it means that bad match-up is the result of one team beating the other team head-to-head.

The Warriors were the better team than the Mavs in 2007.

You are saying the Warriors would beat more teams overall than the Mavs that year?

JamStone

01-20-2009, 07:53 PM

You are saying the Warriors would beat more teams overall than the Mavs that year?

No, what I'm saying is that the Warriors beating the Mavs in a playoff series made them the better team.

KidCongo

01-20-2009, 07:54 PM

LeBron has always been soft when it comes to head/facial contact.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 07:56 PM

No, what I'm saying is that the Warriors beating the Mavs in a playoff series made them the better team.

That is what I disagree with. It is about teams that are good and can compete for a title. Just because the Lakers have been a bad match up for the Spurs does not automatically make them a better team.

The Bucks are the only team in the league over the last 10 years with a winning record against the Spurs. If the Bucks (hypothetically) beat the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs, would you really think they are better?

JamStone

01-20-2009, 08:18 PM

That is what I disagree with. It is about teams that are good and can compete for a title. Just because the Lakers have been a bad match up for the Spurs does not automatically make them a better team.

The Bucks are the only team in the league over the last 10 years with a winning record against the Spurs. If the Bucks (hypothetically) beat the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs, would you really think they are better?

Yes. Because if the Bucks were facing the Spurs in the first round, then the Spurs wouldn't have been winning championships.

But, with what you've been discussing anyway, the Lakers versus the Spurs, your examples of Mavs/Warriors and Spurs/Bucks are not at the root of the point of contention anyway. With the Lakers and the Spurs, one team isn't a perennial 50-60 win team and multiple championship winner and the other an on-and-off again lottery team that hasn't won anything and got lucky once in the playoffs.

The Lakers and the Spurs have both won multiple championships over the last 10 years and both have been powerhouse regular season teams, with the Lakers dropping off for a couple years. But, they have similar resumes over the last 10 years. Without that discrepancy you see between the Warriors and the Mavs and the Spurs and the Bucks, something like how the two teams have fared in head-to-head playoff match-ups does carry a great deal of weight when determining and evaluating which is the better team over the course of a given period of time.

Lakers_55

01-20-2009, 08:33 PM

Re: Team of he decade: decade goes from 2000-01 season to 2009-10 season. At this point, too close to call.

Spurs have 3 titles, Lakers 2., but 4 finals appearances. 2 full seasons to fight it out yet. Detroit Pistons can stake a claim if they can win this year, next, or both. Doubtful the Heat can, they weren't consistent this decade.

That's my opinion on how it stands.

Allanon

01-20-2009, 11:06 PM

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Wow.

DPG21920

01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

anakha

01-21-2009, 12:20 AM

4-1, FAGGOT!!!

peskypesky

01-21-2009, 12:37 AM

Warning: Not for the faint of heart

_lTMyK90fCc

:lmao

WayOutWest

01-21-2009, 12:50 PM

The Lakers had 3 sub 50 win seasons in a row (05,06,07), got knocked out of the first round twice (06,07) and did not even make the playoffs once (05) which was a season in which they had a losing record.

The Spurs have never won less than 53 games and have only not made it out of the first round once (when Duncan did not play).

I do not know how you can weight the 3 peat more than that.

The 3peat weighs 1 BILLION times more than that...how many teams in ALL of NBA history have won 3 in a row? Think about it...it's not even close.

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 01:05 PM

The 3peat weighs 1 BILLION times more than that...how many teams in ALL of NBA history have won 3 in a row? Think about it...it's not even close.

How many teams in history have had that many 50+ win seasons along with consecutive playoff apperances and titles in the same time span?

LEONARD

01-21-2009, 01:09 PM

B-ball players are pussies...

ClingingMars

01-21-2009, 01:13 PM

B-ball players are pussies...

so are Laker fans..."uh we beat you 4-1...so we get the WE BEAT THE SPURS PRIZE!"

-Mars

DrHouse

01-21-2009, 01:17 PM

How many teams in history have had that many 50+ win seasons along with consecutive playoff apperances and titles in the same time span?

Who the fuck cares about 50 win seasons and playoff appearances? It's all about titles, that's the only thing that matters IMHO.

The bottom line is for all the greatness of the Spurs this decade they have yet to repeat. And don't act like there was great competition after the Lakers disintegrated in '04. The biggest threats in the WC were the Mavs and the Suns for God sakes.

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 01:20 PM

DrHouse

01-21-2009, 01:22 PM

No one respects your opinion, especially when you try and discredit the absolute consistency of the Spurs. If it is about titles, then once again the Spurs and Lakers have the same amount in this decade. The Spurs were always competiting for a title in this decade, you cannot say that about the Lakers.

Yes because the Lakers had to rebuild midway. And it only took them 3 seasons.

You'll appreciate how fast the Lakers were able to do just that when you watch your Spurs become a cellar dwellar for the next decade or so as they try and pick up the pieces post Duncan.

WayOutWest

01-21-2009, 01:27 PM

B-ball players are pussies...

No more evident then when they "fight", if you can call it fighting. My 8 and 9 year olds look more prepared for an actual fight than 99% of NBA players.

WayOutWest

01-21-2009, 01:31 PM

Yes because the Lakers had to rebuild midway. And it only took them 3 seasons.

You'll appreciate how fast the Lakers were able to do just that when you watch your Spurs become a cellar dwellar for the next decade or so as they try and pick up the pieces post Duncan.

I think Spurs fans are lucky that they went from one Hall of Fame franchise player, DRob, to another, TD, without skipping a beat. Unless they land another one the Spurs and their fans are in for a rude "rebuilding" awakening. While the Lakers were competetive and fun to watch between the departure of Magic and the arrival of Shaq/Kobe, they were not a championship contender, the Celtics on the other hand were tough to watch most years between titles. Not sure how the Spurs will handle the post Duncan rebuild.

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 01:36 PM

What a terrible argument. Without a terrible trade for Gasol, the Lakers would still be in rebuilding mode.

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 01:37 PM

And ya, that 20+ million in cap space when Duncan's contract is up, along with a smart front office spells diaster for the Spurs.

bdubya

01-21-2009, 01:42 PM

The 3peat weighs 1 BILLION times more than that...how many teams in ALL of NBA history have won 3 in a row? Think about it...it's not even close.

The 3-peat is very impressive, but there's also that issue of being steamrolled twice in the Finals (including being the doormat in the upset of the decade). Kinda takes a little of the shine off the 3-peat, IMHO.

DrHouse

01-21-2009, 02:29 PM

And ya, that 20+ million in cap space when Duncan's contract is up, along with a smart front office spells diaster for the Spurs.

Who was the last major FA to sign with the San Antonio Spurs?

Face it, your city is not an attractive destination for NBA players and with Popovich gone there won't be much of a reason for a top tier FA to want to come to the Spurs.

And what exactly has your FO done since getting Parker and Manu? Everything since then has been a spectacular failure (i.e. letting Scola go for nothing, the whole Splitter disaster). Face it, the Spurs can't mine for gold in Europe and South America anymore.....the rest of the league is well aware of the international talent now. It's going to take some lucky lotto balls for the Spurs to be able to rebuild a true championship contender. It may take 2 decades to do just that like it did the Celtics.

Duncanoypi

01-21-2009, 02:48 PM

Is Jamstone the new Laker boy?lol

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 03:34 PM

Who was the last major FA to sign with the San Antonio Spurs?

Face it, your city is not an attractive destination for NBA players and with Popovich gone there won't be much of a reason for a top tier FA to want to come to the Spurs.

And what exactly has your FO done since getting Parker and Manu? Everything since then has been a spectacular failure (i.e. letting Scola go for nothing, the whole Splitter disaster). Face it, the Spurs can't mine for gold in Europe and South America anymore.....the rest of the league is well aware of the international talent now. It's going to take some lucky lotto balls for the Spurs to be able to rebuild a true championship contender. It may take 2 decades to do just that like it did the Celtics.

What more do you have to do when you are constanly winning 50+ games and winning titles every other year while staying under the salary cap? What have the Lakers done since the 3 peat? What moves have they made that won them another chip? How much is their payroll?

DrHouse

01-21-2009, 03:39 PM

What more do you have to do when you are constanly winning 50+ games and winning titles every other year while staying under the salary cap? What have the Lakers done since the 3 peat? What moves have they made that won them another chip? How much is their payroll?

Nice how you didn't address a single point in my rebuttal.

The Lakers don't need to prove that they can rebuild to become a top tier franchise to anyone. They've done so in nearly every decade with different sets of players.

We'll see how well the Spurs do when Duncan retires. I wouldn't be so optimistic. You couldn't even get garbage Corey Maggette to sign with you.

Lakers_55

01-21-2009, 03:54 PM

I wouldn't bet too heavily against the Spurs to rebuild after Duncan. They are second only to the Lakers in this department, and have only missed the playoffs 5 times to the Lakers 3 since they entered the league. Boston used to be able to rebuild, it took them 22 years last time. Most of this debate can't be settled now. it's going to take until 2010 to settle many of the arguments.

DPG21920

01-21-2009, 04:27 PM