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GSH
01-21-2009, 05:07 AM
There is a lot of talk about how this Spurs team is not as good as past teams, and that they can't win a title without getting a player or two before the trade deadline. Midway through the season is a good time to look at some of those comments, and see if they hold water:

The Spurs have lost a lot of games already. No team with this kind of record is going anywhere in the playoffs.

The Spurs record at the midway point of this season is 28-13. Last season they made it to the Western Conference Finals, and their record at the midway point was 28-13. The previous season, they won the NBA Championship, and their record at the midway point was... yep, 28-13. And in 2002, when they won the Championship, their record at the midway point was "only" 26-15. Their record this season puts them right on track with their previous successful seasons.

Yes, but the Cavs, Lakers, Celtics, and Magic have much better records.
Two seasons ago, the Mavs had a record of 33-8 at this point, and lost in the first round. Last season the Celtics had a record of 34-7, and got pushed to 7 games twice by teams with much worse records. In fact, they were very fortunate not to have gone out in the first or second rounds. The Spurs are better right now than those Atlanta and Cleveland teams that took Boston to 7 games. And they are showing the toughness to find ways to win close games.

The only reason the Spurs' record is this good is that they have had a soft schedule. But they have been losing to the good teams.

Since 2000, the overwhelming majority of the Spurs' losses have been to the teams that were playoff contenders that year: Lakers, Suns, Mavs, Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, Cavs, etc. (And for some strange reason, the Bucks.) And a lot of their winning streaks centered around "soft spots" in their schedule, with a few wins against good teams thrown in. In other words - a lot like this year.

But that's not limited to the Spurs. Take last year's Lakers for instance - almost all of their losses were to the Spurs, Hornets, Rockets, Pistons, Celtics, etc. In other words, they cleaned up on the easier teams, and struggled with the playoff teams. You didn't hear anyone talking about how they weren't able to beat the better teams. (Here's a good link that shows color-coded wins and losses that makes it easier to see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season There are links at the bottom to every team in the league.)

The Spurs will need to beat some of the good teams in the second half. But so far this season, their success against playoff teams isn't terribly different from any other year. You may not believe that, but if you check you will see that it is true.


What about that blowout loss to Philadelphia, and the Detroit game where they only scored 77 points?

In every season since 2000, the Spurs have had at least one game where they scored 75 or fewer points, and a couple of blowout losses. In the '04 Championship season, they were held to 67 points one game and lost 68-104 in another. Last season they lost 64-90 to Utah, and 75-100 to New Orleans. Once again, there is nothing out of the ordinary so far this season.

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The truth is, if you could throw out that dreadful 1-4 start, when Tony and Manu were both out of the lineup, this has been one of their better starts in the Tim Duncan era. No matter how badly you think they have played, their record says otherwise. They still have plenty of room for improvement, but that's a good thing. Because if this squad improves over what they have done in the first half of the season (and stays healthy), history says they will be right in the mix for another title.

Still not convinced? Look at it another way, then. If those other Spurs teams were so much better, why did they lose just as many games as this year's team? The overall talent level in the league certainly hasn't gone down. The answer is that a lot of Spurs fans are so spoiled they think the sky is falling if the team has an off night.

Manufan909
01-21-2009, 05:22 AM
Great post. And I'm almost happy Manu and Tony were injured for a good part of the season, it gave time for Hill annd Mason to be jumpstarted into the system while they were the top players at their position. If only Ian had been able to take advantage of Bonner, KT, and Fab simultaneously sucking, it would've been perfect.

DespЏrado
01-21-2009, 05:22 AM
Great round up...That puts things in perspective for all the doubters, but it sure as heck doesn't mean the road will be any easier. It's never been easy for the spurs.

mountainballer
01-21-2009, 05:27 AM
yeah, you are right. no reason to watch a Spurs game and think that they are not as good as two years ago. fans who come to this conclusion are just spoiled and clueless. we don't need help, our young guys have so much upside left, they will improve that much when the season goes on, that we will be #1 when the PO start. our undersized centers will grow at least 2 inches and a special athletic conditioning program during the all star break will turn half of our team into world class athletes.
and wait till we bring our secrete weapon Ian The Miracle. DH will hand him the cape when all is said and done.

all that is left is to convince this guy that we are just right on track:


“The only thing that's saving us is that everybody else is beating everybody else up, so our record looks basically as good as anybody else's,” Popovich said. “It's fool's gold, as far as I'm concerned.”


“No, pretty much throughout,” Popovich said. “Both individually and team-wise, we suck. We're pretty consistent that way.”

Surely there is a way to fix this problem, some sliver of hope on the horizon?

“I don't know if I have an answer to that,” Popovich said. “If I did, we wouldn't suck quite so bad.”

mrspurs
01-21-2009, 05:39 AM
Its not so much that we're that bad. Its more of how good the rest of the NBA is. Even the weaker teams are coming around. If we had an owner like Cuban, or systems like the old Phoenix Suns and todays Warriors, we might have ever improve. But like it or not with Pop we at least continue to plug guys into a proven system. Some guys pan out, others dont get a chance, and others find Pops doghouse. All be it a system that many teams have mimicked or at least are trying. Imo this team can improve defensively, but some of the guys on this roster Ill agree with Pop, just plain suck. lol

Manufan909
01-21-2009, 05:40 AM
yeah, you are right. no reason to watch a Spurs game and think that they are not as good as two years ago. fans who come to this conclusion are just spoiled and clueless. we don't need help, our young guys have so much upside left, they will improve that much when the season goes on, that we will be #1 when the PO start. our undersized centers will grow at least 2 inches and a special athletic conditioning program during the all star break will turn half of our team into world class athletes.
and wait till we bring our secrete weapon Ian The Miracle. DH will hand him the cape when all is said and done.

all that is left is to convince this guy that we are just right on track:

Come back when you have more weapons than sarcasm, and more quotes than from one blowout loss where the Spurs played uncharacteriscally bad.

I think the Spurs hoding the 3rd best offense in the league to 81 shows the D is still there, but they can't tap it whenever they please anymore. They have to get reamed by Pop to realize how porous the D was against the 76ers (I think they already knew, but Pop lent a helping hand).