Less than a month til the trade deadline.

[z0sa]

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In almost four weeks exactly, we will reach the NBA trade deadline, which occurs on February 19th at 3PM EST time. SpursTalk is often filled with trade theories, but up to this point, it seems like the Spurs FO hasn't had serious talks with anyone, or if they have, disagreement has occurred and nothing came to fruition.

Here's the question: do the Spurs make a trade this season? If so, who's leaving town and who's contributing to a championship run? Or do the Spurs hang tough and go with who's on the roster now? Feel free to post your trade ideas, but remember .. the time is approaching when there won't be any more trading to be done.

My 2cents: I am very torn on this one - I have no idea if the Spurs are going to pull the trigger on something or not. I'm honestly going to be sad if someone like Bonner or Hill are gone, even if its for someone decent and/or we ultimately win a championship without them.

Let me say something else ... the Spurs have Ian Mahinmi sitting behind the bench. He's young, athletic, and plays decently on both ends of the floor. Why should we trade away key role players, especially Bonner, to other teams for a player whose skillset we already possess? I bet Ian Mahinmi will be ready by the beginning of next season, which if you think about it, is really not that far away. Let's not jump the gun when Pop can still get them playing stronger and stronger going into the all-star break and beyond with our current team.

[PeterBurns]

Don't see Hill gone. No way. Bonner perhaps, but not Hill.
The biggest concern is the bigs, and rebounding when it comes to clutch possession by possession playoff basketball

The question is if you are sold on Oberto and Thomas

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I would say yes, but I doubt they make a trade that really shakes up the rotation. It's not easy to find good quality when your trading pieces are Vaughn, Udoka, and Oberto.

[024]

trade bonner for picks and cap space? maybe trade him for an unproven young player? i don't think anyone will trade a good center for bonner.

[manufor3]

no, theyll keep it the same

[m33p0]

at most, they will simply sign someone or trade someone or do a trade involving udoka/vaughn/oberto.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Anyone else get the feeling that either:
a) Pop is a few weeks away from the "we're going with what we have, so knuckle down" speech; or,
b) has something up his sleeve and he's doing the CIA thing (like, say, Mahinmi, who we have heard nothing about for a month, is getting ready to play and he just wants to keep it under wraps and spring it on some poor unsuspecting team one day)?

I'd bet on one of these two outcomes right now... actually, I'd bet on a), and then b) will occur within a fortnight. ;)

No way Hill (the future of our backcourt, with TP/Manu/Mason) or Bonner (who has proven himself as capable of the Horry-type shooting big role, although without the Horry D) get traded unless it's for a big upgrade. If anyone is moving it's Fab and/or Ime.

[DROB4EVER]

I see a small trade comming if Ian is not gonna play this year. I think that might be why we gave Croshere a shot to see if he could be a replacement for Bonner.....Bonner may be trade bait but I dont know who would give us much for him.

[Joe Schmoogins]

Anyone else get the feeling that either:
a) Pop is a few weeks away from the "we're going with what we have, so knuckle down" speech; or,
b) has something up his sleeve and he's doing the CIA thing (like, say, Mahinmi, who we have heard nothing about for a month, is getting ready to play and he just wants to keep it under wraps and spring it on some poor unsuspecting team one day)?

I'd bet on one of these two outcomes right now... actually, I'd bet on a), and then b) will occur within a fortnight. ;)

No way Hill (the future of our backcourt, with TP/Manu/Mason) or Bonner (who has proven himself as capable of the Horry-type shooting big role, although without the Horry D) get traded unless it's for a big upgrade. If anyone is moving it's Fab and/or Ime.



I had a similar thought. Except I was thinking they were keeping Mahinmi under wraps, until either they finalize a trade, or the deadline passes. Perhaps they don't want to showcase him before hand, or he may become a deal breaker.

[baseline bum]

No way Hill (the future of our backcourt, with TP/Manu/Mason) or Bonner (who has proven himself as capable of the Horry-type shooting big role, although without the Horry D) get traded unless it's for a big upgrade. If anyone is moving it's Fab and/or Ime.

I really don't see Bonner in anything close to the Horry role. I'd classify it more as the old Finley role; scoring, and not much else. Horry was more like a Fin/Malik hybrid; a jack of all trades. I don't think you're ever going to find too many players who compare much to Rob.

[Ghazi]

I think the Spurs need a big with some offensive game to play alongside Duncan.

[mountainballer]

every deadline in the last years the Spurs have been working on a trade.
some didn't materialize in the last moment, for whatever reason. (like Barry for JR Smith at deadline 2006)
this year we heard from different reports that they are looking for a big man and I would also think that this year the needs are more obvious than in the years before, when they did pull the trigger.
but likely it won't be for someone of the frequently mentioned on this board. most are to expensive in terms of what other teams will be willing to give for those players.

btw. Kwame Brown plus Herrmann for Fab plus JV might be such an option.
yes, I know, I know.
but this is a trade both teams can do without much risk and it might in fact help both teams.
Pistons will get under the threshold via this trade, overall it saves them about 4 million this season (salary, tax and tax return) and gives them 2.1 million more cap space next summer, if they waive Fab. (Kwame has a PO for next season, he will likely not use)
they don't need Kwames athleticism like the Spurs would (Maxiell and Johnson provide this as well) and they also don't use Herrmann. they might even see some use for Fab (for example against Z) and for JV, since they don't have a traditional back up PG.
Spurs get much needed size, Kwame is limited as we know, but he did have his best games this season against the big West teams. in those games, when he got some extended minutes against other teams big line ups, he did quite decent. he was 6.0 PPG (71%FG) and 5.7 RPG in games when he played 20+ minutes. (10 games, 20.7 MPG.).
that's a better per minute production than KT delivers, but the most important point would be, that Kwame can sometimes play some decent on man defense, when he is focused. he is strong, yet mobile enough to stay with players like Bynum and Chandler.

[mrspurs]

Though its just words, Timmy has already said several times. This is what we're going with. But coming from the guy who needs help the most. Who knows........Interior Defense sent us home early last season. Imo its worse then last season(I dont care where we are in our schedule). Theres plenty of room for improvement, but Matt,Fab and Kurt are only as good as their bodys allow. Ian would be playing in the D-league if he had legs that didnt break at the site of a court. So not sure how he will help the Spurs out. Imo, its find a decent Big who can play along side Timmy. Or start looking into next year. Once the POs come around anything can happen, but I dont like our odds with this current roster who has to outscore you, because they cant stop you from making layups.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I see a small trade comming if Ian is not gonna play this year. I think that might be why we gave Croshere a shot to see if he could be a replacement for Bonner.....Bonner may be trade bait but I dont know who would give us much for him.

I agree, but I think Bonner has played his way into the outside shooting big role for this team.


every deadline in the last years the Spurs have been working on a trade.
some didn't materialize in the last moment, for whatever reason. (like Barry for JR Smith at deadline 2006)
this year we heard from different reports that they are looking for a big man and I would also think that this year the needs are more obvious than in the years before, when they did pull the trigger.
but likely it won't be for someone of the frequently mentioned on this board. most are to expensive in terms of what other teams will be willing to give for those players.

btw. Kwame Brown plus Herrmann for Fab plus JV might be such an option.
yes, I know, I know.
but this is a trade both teams can do without much risk and it might in fact help both teams.
Pistons will get under the threshold via this trade, overall it saves them about 4 million this season (salary, tax and tax return) and gives them 2.1 million more cap space next summer, if they waive Fab. (Kwame has a PO for next season, he will likely not use)
they don't need Kwames athleticism like the Spurs would (Maxiell and Johnson provide this as well) and they also don't use Herrmann. they might even see some use for Fab (for example against Z) and for JV, since they don't have a traditional back up PG.
Spurs get much needed size, Kwame is limited as we know, but he did have his best games this season against the big West teams. in those games, when he got some extended minutes against other teams big line ups, he did quite decent. he was 6.0 PPG (71%FG) and 5.7 RPG in games when he played 20+ minutes. (10 games, 20.7 MPG.).
that's a better per minute production than KT delivers, but the most important point would be, that Kwame can sometimes play some decent on man defense, when he is focused. he is strong, yet mobile enough to stay with players like Bynum and Chandler.

Kwame bites, sorry. He's far too bball dumb, and emotionally fragile, to fit our team or system. Not going to happen.


I really don't see Bonner in anything close to the Horry role. I'd classify it more as the old Finley role; scoring, and not much else. Horry was more like a Fin/Malik hybrid; a jack of all trades. I don't think you're ever going to find too many players who compare much to Rob.

Agreed, I just meant the outside-shooting big role. We'll never find another Rob. Horry also had incredible D and smarts, consistent rebounding and shot-blocking, and ice in his veins to go with his clutch shooting, and that's what made him special. Bonner shows none of those things, although this season he is showing flashes of Malik-like hustle (watched some old games the other day and I'd forgotten just how hard Malik played - during his prime with us, one of the hardest workers on a court that you'll ever see!). Some people salivate over James Posey, and he's a fine player, but he's also a poor-man's Rob.

[kenson-q]

I will insist my idea.Let't trade Gortat.That's the guy what I want.If we can take him without our BIG3,Hill,Mason,BOWEN,THOMAS,Let's make it.

[z0sa]

I really don't see Bonner in anything close to the Horry role. I'd classify it more as the old Finley role; scoring, and not much else. Horry was more like a Fin/Malik hybrid; a jack of all trades. I don't think you're ever going to find too many players who compare much to Rob.

Um ... if Bonner can manage to hit a clutch shot or two in the playoffs, he'll all but have morphed into a white version of Robert Horry .. minus six rings.

dude is rebounding, knocking down three's at an incredible clip, and is doing something called playing during the season which Robert Horry was generally not accustomed to in his latter years. I, for one, believe this was Horry's downfall when, as he got older he really needed his conditioning from the regular season to continue making a splash in the playoffs.

everyone should post their trade ideas in this thread as opposed to making separate topics.

[underdawg]

Don't know much about the guy, but is Cheikh Samb a possibility? I know the Clippers just got him, but after Camby's back I'd guess they'd send him back down to the D-League. Anybody know much about him?

[lefty]

We're not going to make a trade; the savior is in this room

[YODA]

Isnt it wierd how Last year Bonner was relagated to the bench the whole year, With Oberto as our started, while due to injury, Bonner has taken over the position and Oberto has been put to the back of the bench.If we dont make a trade, were gonna need Oberto and Thomas to step up big time. I just cant See bonner doing well in the playoffs.

[xtremesteven33]

Lets see how we do against the Lakers this Sunday.

[z0sa]

Lets see how we do against the Lakers this Sunday.

A win or close loss could mean the Spurs do nothing or very little - a lopsided loss probably means a trade of some sort is imminent.

[yavozerb]

What about a player like Theo Ratliff. I like the young bigs just as much as everyone else, but this guy can still play solid D(12-15 minutes a night) and makes the base salary just like JV.

[Tully365]

It's looking more & more to me like there won't be any big moves. I'd guess at this point that much depends on whether or not Mahinmi's mysterious ankle problem is ever solved... if so, maybe the Spurs work him gradually into the rotation where he can play 5-12 minutes. If not, I could imagine not some blockbuster trade, but some unglamorous move to get a Maceo Baston/Pecherov/Solomon Jones type of player... that's what I'm anticipating anyway, something relatively subtle and not even as big a move as the Kurt Thomas trade last season.

[hope-springs-eternal]

Pecherov? What role would he fill?

[Manufan909]

Scratch that, who is he, and what position does he play?

[z0sa]

Votes surprisingly even. I expected many less to vote no trade would be made.

[Bruno]

I had a similar thought. Except I was thinking they were keeping Mahinmi under wraps, until either they finalize a trade, or the deadline passes. Perhaps they don't want to showcase him before hand, or he may become a deal breaker.

That's a quite weird thinking.
Most of the times , the simplest answer is the right one. Ian doesn't play with Spurs or Toros because he isn't healthy/in a good enough shape. He even said that he had blood in his ankle earlier this month.
And when Ian will come back, it will take him some times before being truly back at 100% and he will still be an almost rookie. Chances that Mahinmi significantly help Spurs this year are more and more remote.


About the topic, Spurs will be active (as always) on the trade market but will be limited by their limited number of trade assets and the 2010 plan. Spurs could surely benefit of an upgrade at SF,PF and C.

There are few PF/C available. Getting one better than Bonner/Oberto/Thomas with a 2010 friendly contract won't be easy for Spurs. I don't think Spurs will be able to do a trade. If Spurs still have a roster spot and if Mahinmi isn't back and plays quite well, I expect Spurs to look at the waiver wire.

The market at the SF spot is more friendly. I expect Spurs to look if they can't get some young SF to grow into the system. With Finley and Bruce being old and Udoka not looking a good, a young SF would be great. A player like Dorell Wright would be a great fit.

[xellos88330]

I think that the Spurs should be fine with their current lineup. But sometimes fine just isn't good enough. I expect the Spurs to pull the trigger depending on if Mahinmi can bring something to the table instead of eating from it.

[xellos88330]

And on another note, I think the rest of the league is tired of the Spurs winning, so the won't want to trade.

[senorglory]

The question is if you are sold on Oberto and Thomas

I am alone in this on the ST forum, but I am. I believe Thomas and Oberto will be productive in the playoffs, and that they are limited now by health and conditioning issues.

[dbestpro]

Let's steal Warrick from Memphis.

[ray]

over the past two months ive preached to my wife that the spurs are missing that one youthful big man who can help duncan out downlow both offensively and defensively as shown on sunday in our embarrassing loss to the lakers pau gasol and bynum were just picking on duncan down low, i mean with bonner in there its like a waste of height if your 6'10 and cant block a shot or rebound why play, mine as well put another guard out there i mean lets be honest thats all bonner is an oversized small foward, well neways enough truth bc i know some spurs fans cant take it but the whole reason the spurs are losing is bc of the big man situation and the only way to fix it is this: TRADE TONY PARKER who needs him we have a young point who plays within our system is a great defender something tony is not and we've seen flashes of his offensive game at the beginning of the season and besides if you trade tony as well as a second and a first go get AL JEFFERSON and while you're at it give a second and ime udoka to the bobcats and give us raja bell<<<< that would be a great trade there, and just in case the spurs dont wanna do either one, give bonner and a second to the pistons for rasheed wallace i guarentee he wont be pushed around down low if duncans down there battling at his side, LONG STORY SHORT TRADE TONY PARKER FOR AL JEFFERSON OR EMEKA OKAFOR AND RAJA BELL.

[Dr. Gonzo]

haha

Your illiteracy amuses me.

[z0sa]

^^ I was hoping this would be the official trade thread .. now I'm glad it isn't ..

additionally, 42-32 voted we'd be making a trade .. lets see if their predictions come true.

[benefactor]

over the past two months ive preached to my wife that the spurs are missing that one youthful big man who can help duncan out downlow both offensively and defensively as shown on sunday in our embarrassing loss to the lakers pau gasol and bynum were just picking on duncan down low, i mean with bonner in there its like a waste of height if your 6'10 and cant block a shot or rebound why play, mine as well put another guard out there i mean lets be honest thats all bonner is an oversized small foward, well neways enough truth bc i know some spurs fans cant take it but the whole reason the spurs are losing is bc of the big man situation and the only way to fix it is this: TRADE TONY PARKER who needs him we have a young point who plays within our system is a great defender something tony is not and we've seen flashes of his offensive game at the beginning of the season and besides if you trade tony as well as a second and a first go get AL JEFFERSON and while you're at it give a second and ime udoka to the bobcats and give us raja bell<<<< that would be a great trade there, and just in case the spurs dont wanna do either one, give bonner and a second to the pistons for rasheed wallace i guarentee he wont be pushed around down low if duncans down there battling at his side, LONG STORY SHORT TRADE TONY PARKER FOR AL JEFFERSON OR EMEKA OKAFOR AND RAJA BELL.
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[Tully365]

Now that Mahinmi is definitely out for the season and Croshere has been let go, I have to believe that something is in the works. I've got my fingers crossed.

[sananspursfan21]

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[sananspursfan21]

I want everyone here to understand that I am on a serious campaign here. As a fan of the Spurs all my life, I must say: Camby '09



Man, I think the spurs should really trade for Marcus Camby. The Spurs don't have too much to offer that they would want to trade necessarily, but they could just trade a draft pick and a couple of expendable players (udoka, oberto, thomas, maybe finley). I always thought camby would be a great fit, why? BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST, that's why. When he was a free agent, I def had my fingers crossed for him. <br><br>

The Spurs' offense has been just getting by (except as of lately). Problem with the Spurs getting a big star before the deadline is that they are attached to anybody another team would want. They'd never trade Parker or Ginobili and us fans probly wouldn't want them to either (some of you think you would, but wait til they're gone). If they could swing Camby, Jermaine O'neal, or another solid big man, that'd be all they need, seriously! Their only two problems left are that they have an inconsistent offense, and Tim Duncan is standing alone when it comes to having a good big man. He has no Center to help him out!!! Pop, if you're reading this, find it in your heart to do a deal involving Marcus Camby!!!

[tp2021]

I want everyone here to understand that I am on a serious campaign here. As a fan of the Spurs all my life, I must say: Camby '09



Man, I think the spurs should really trade for Marcus Camby. The Spurs don't have too much to offer that they would want to trade necessarily, but they could just trade a draft pick and a couple of expendable players (udoka, oberto, thomas, maybe finley). I always thought camby would be a great fit, why? BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST, that's why. When he was a free agent, I def had my fingers crossed for him. <br><br>

The Spurs' offense has been just getting by (except as of lately). Problem with the Spurs getting a big star before the deadline is that they are attached to anybody another team would want. They'd never trade Parker or Ginobili and us fans probly wouldn't want them to either (some of you think you would, but wait til they're gone). If they could swing Camby, Jermaine O'neal, or another solid big man, that'd be all they need, seriously! Their only two problems left are that they have an inconsistent offense, and Tim Duncan is standing alone when it comes to having a good big man. He has no Center to help him out!!! Pop, if you're reading this, find it in your heart to do a deal involving Marcus Camby!!!

I wasn't going to, but since you asked and were nice enough to insinuate that I have a heart, I guess I will have to reconsider. :king

[PDXSpursFan]

Bonner + Hill + 1st-round pick for Big, starter-quality, 7-foot center.

[benefactor]

I want everyone here to understand that I am on a serious campaign here. As a fan of the Spurs all my life, I must say: Camby '09



Man, I think the spurs should really trade for Marcus Camby. The Spurs don't have too much to offer that they would want to trade necessarily, but they could just trade a draft pick and a couple of expendable players (udoka, oberto, thomas, maybe finley). I always thought camby would be a great fit, why? BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST, that's why. When he was a free agent, I def had my fingers crossed for him. <br><br>

The Spurs' offense has been just getting by (except as of lately). Problem with the Spurs getting a big star before the deadline is that they are attached to anybody another team would want. They'd never trade Parker or Ginobili and us fans probly wouldn't want them to either (some of you think you would, but wait til they're gone). If they could swing Camby, Jermaine O'neal, or another solid big man, that'd be all they need, seriously! Their only two problems left are that they have an inconsistent offense, and Tim Duncan is standing alone when it comes to having a good big man. He has no Center to help him out!!! Pop, if you're reading this, find it in your heart to do a deal involving Marcus Camby!!!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115462

[Chief]

I always thought he played Bonner more this season to kind of pimp him as a trade piece. Bonner has been pretty productive with the limited time he's played. But I don't think him alone will do it, and with nobody really to throw in with Bonner, I think we are stuck with what we have.

[Manufan909]

If Bonner + Ime/Fab/Vaughn could get a solid 7' big, I think Pop would make the trade. If he doesn't, then I guess there were no deals or none he thought would actually help.

Does anyone know the date of Ian's surgery? Cuz it's 6-10 weeks from that. If he had the surgery a week ago, that could be as little as 5 weeks. Now that(most likely) the real problem has been resolved, maybe he'll prove to be a fast healer.

[Flux451]

Camby sounds like the most effecient and probable choice.

A big or no trade.