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Winehole23
01-24-2009, 05:13 PM
Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275512887811775.html)


Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster

He expanded the state, and the sense that the state is incompetent.

By NICK GILLESPIE (http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center.html?KEYWORDS=NICK+GILLESPIE&ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND)

Now that George W. Bush has finally left office, here's a challenge to a nation famous for its proud tradition of invention: Can somebody invent a machine capable of fully measuring the disaster that was the Bush presidency?
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-CZ945_oj_gil_E_20090123195120.jpg AP


Yes, yes, I know that attitudes towards presidencies are volatile. Harry Truman was hated when he left office and look at him now; he's so highly regarded that President Bush thought of him as a role model. There are, I'm sure, still a few William Henry Harrison dead-enders around, convinced that the 31 days the broken-down old general spent as president will someday receive the full glory they deserve.


In a way that was inconceivable when he took office, Mr. Bush -- the advance man for the "ownership society," smaller and more trustworthy government, and a humble foreign policy -- increased the size and scope of the federal government to unprecedented levels. At the same time, he constantly flashed signs of secrecy, duplicity, ineffectiveness and outright incompetence.


Think for a moment about the thousands of Transportation Security Administration screeners -- newly minted government employees all -- who continue to confiscate contact-lens solution and nail clippers while, according to nearly every field test, somehow failing to notice simulated bombs in passenger luggage.




Or schoolchildren struggling under No Child Left Behind, which federalized K-12 education to an unprecedented degree with nothing to show for it other than greater spending tabs. Or the bizarrely structured Medicare prescription-drug benefit, the largest entitlement program created since LBJ. Or the simple reality that taxpayers now guarantee some $8 trillion in inscrutable loans to a financial sector that collapsed from inscrutable loans.
Such programs were not in any way foisted on Mr. Bush, the way that welfare reform had been on Bill Clinton; they were signature projects, designed to create a legacy every bit as monumental and inspiring as Laura Bush's global literacy campaign.


The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Mr. Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office -- a period during which his party controlled Congress -- he added a whopping $345 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget. The only other presidential term that comes close? Mr. Bush's second term. As of November 2008, he had added at least an additional $287 billion on top of that (and the months since then will add significantly to the bill). To put that in perspective, consider that the spendthrift LBJ added a mere $223 billion in total additional outlays in his one full term.


If spending under Mr. Bush was a disaster, regulation was even worse. The number of pages in the Federal Registry is a rough proxy for the swollen expanse of the regulatory state. In 2001, some 64,438 pages of regulations were added to it. In 2007, more than 78,000 new pages were added. Worse still, argues the Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of "economically significant regulations" that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations.


At this late date, it may be pointless to argue about the grounds for the invasion of Iraq, which even Mr. Bush has (finally) acknowledged were built on sand rather than bedrock. The Iraq war has lasted longer than any American conflict except for Vietnam and has cost more than any shooting match except for World War II. Leave aside for a moment the more than 4,200 U.S. deaths and 30,000 casualties, and ask a very basic question: Did President Bush's prosecution of the war -- he declared an end to major hostilities in May 2003 -- and his direction of the ongoing occupation make you feel better about the government's ability to execute core functions?
Or, like the bungled federal response to Hurricane Katrina (later made good by shoveling billions of pork-laden tax dollars to the Gulf area) and the rushed, secretive, and ever-changing bailout of the financial sector, did it make you want to simply despair?




Mr. Bush's legacy is thus a bizarro version of Ronald Reagan's. Reagan entered office declaring that government was not the solution to our problems, it was the problem. Ironically, he demonstrated that government could do some important things right -- he helped tame inflation and masterfully drew the Cold War to a nonviolent triumph for the Free World. By contrast, Mr. Bush has massively expanded the government along with the sense that government is incompetent.


That is no small accomplishment -- and its pernicious effects will last long after Mr. Bush has moved back to Texas, and President Obama has announced that his stimulus package, originally tagged at $750 billion and already up to $825 billion, will cost $1 trillion or more. Mr. Bush has cleared the way for President Obama to intervene more and more in the economy and every other aspect of American life.


Last July, the political scientists Philippe Aghion, Yann Algan, Pierre Cahuc and Andrei Shleifer wrote a paper titled "Regulation and Distrust." Using data from the World Values Survey, the authors convincingly argue that "distrust influences not just regulation itself, but the demand for regulation." They found that "distrust fuels support for government control over the economy. What is perhaps most interesting about this finding . . . is that distrust generates demand for regulation even when people realize that the government is corrupt and ineffective."


George W. Bush has certainly taught us that government really can't be trusted to be very effective, or open, or smart. He has also taught us that government can always get bigger on every level and every way. It's a sad lesson that we'll be learning for many years to come.


Mr. Gillespie is editor in chief of Reason.tv (http://www.reason.tv/) and Reason.com (http://www.reason.com/).

ChumpDumper
01-24-2009, 05:15 PM
Stupid liberal rag.

boutons_
01-24-2009, 06:16 PM
"certainly taught us that government really can't be trusted to be very effective, or open, or smart."

This is EXACTLY what the Repugs and neo-c*nts wanted to do. It's founding, immutable principle of their ideology. They want people to destructively hate govt as much as they do. Being out-front with this attitude goes back to St Ronnie.

Running up deficits is how the Repugs and neo-c*nts abused and stole from govt to enrich their cronies, who will in turn enrich them when the get out of government.

DMX7
01-24-2009, 06:51 PM
Stupid liberal rag.

It's owned by News Corp.... which owns Fox News.

ChumpDumper
01-24-2009, 06:56 PM
Exactly.

FuzzyLumpkins
01-24-2009, 08:10 PM
It's owned by News Corp.... which owns Fox News.

Methinks, he is being facetious.

whottt
01-25-2009, 01:11 PM
Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275512887811775.html)


Bush Was a Big-Government Disaster

He expanded the state, and the sense that the state is incompetent.

By NICK GILLESPIE (http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center.html?KEYWORDS=NICK+GILLESPIE&ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND)

Now that George W. Bush has finally left office, here's a challenge to a nation famous for its proud tradition of invention: Can somebody invent a machine capable of fully measuring the disaster that was the Bush presidency?
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-CZ945_oj_gil_E_20090123195120.jpg AP


Yes, yes, I know that attitudes towards presidencies are volatile. Harry Truman was hated when he left office and look at him now; he's so highly regarded that President Bush thought of him as a role model. There are, I'm sure, still a few William Henry Harrison dead-enders around, convinced that the 31 days the broken-down old general spent as president will someday receive the full glory they deserve.


In a way that was inconceivable when he took office, Mr. Bush -- the advance man for the "ownership society," smaller and more trustworthy government, and a humble foreign policy -- increased the size and scope of the federal government to unprecedented levels. At the same time, he constantly flashed signs of secrecy, duplicity, ineffectiveness and outright incompetence.


Think for a moment about the thousands of Transportation Security Administration screeners -- newly minted government employees all -- who continue to confiscate contact-lens solution and nail clippers while, according to nearly every field test, somehow failing to notice simulated bombs in passenger luggage.




Or schoolchildren struggling under No Child Left Behind, which federalized K-12 education to an unprecedented degree with nothing to show for it other than greater spending tabs. Or the bizarrely structured Medicare prescription-drug benefit, the largest entitlement program created since LBJ. Or the simple reality that taxpayers now guarantee some $8 trillion in inscrutable loans to a financial sector that collapsed from inscrutable loans.
Such programs were not in any way foisted on Mr. Bush, the way that welfare reform had been on Bill Clinton; they were signature projects, designed to create a legacy every bit as monumental and inspiring as Laura Bush's global literacy campaign.


The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Mr. Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office -- a period during which his party controlled Congress -- he added a whopping $345 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget. The only other presidential term that comes close? Mr. Bush's second term. As of November 2008, he had added at least an additional $287 billion on top of that (and the months since then will add significantly to the bill). To put that in perspective, consider that the spendthrift LBJ added a mere $223 billion in total additional outlays in his one full term.


If spending under Mr. Bush was a disaster, regulation was even worse. The number of pages in the Federal Registry is a rough proxy for the swollen expanse of the regulatory state. In 2001, some 64,438 pages of regulations were added to it. In 2007, more than 78,000 new pages were added. Worse still, argues the Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of "economically significant regulations" that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations.


At this late date, it may be pointless to argue about the grounds for the invasion of Iraq, which even Mr. Bush has (finally) acknowledged were built on sand rather than bedrock. The Iraq war has lasted longer than any American conflict except for Vietnam and has cost more than any shooting match except for World War II. Leave aside for a moment the more than 4,200 U.S. deaths and 30,000 casualties, and ask a very basic question: Did President Bush's prosecution of the war -- he declared an end to major hostilities in May 2003 -- and his direction of the ongoing occupation make you feel better about the government's ability to execute core functions?
Or, like the bungled federal response to Hurricane Katrina (later made good by shoveling billions of pork-laden tax dollars to the Gulf area) and the rushed, secretive, and ever-changing bailout of the financial sector, did it make you want to simply despair?




Mr. Bush's legacy is thus a bizarro version of Ronald Reagan's. Reagan entered office declaring that government was not the solution to our problems, it was the problem. Ironically, he demonstrated that government could do some important things right -- he helped tame inflation and masterfully drew the Cold War to a nonviolent triumph for the Free World. By contrast, Mr. Bush has massively expanded the government along with the sense that government is incompetent.


That is no small accomplishment -- and its pernicious effects will last long after Mr. Bush has moved back to Texas, and President Obama has announced that his stimulus package, originally tagged at $750 billion and already up to $825 billion, will cost $1 trillion or more. Mr. Bush has cleared the way for President Obama to intervene more and more in the economy and every other aspect of American life.


Last July, the political scientists Philippe Aghion, Yann Algan, Pierre Cahuc and Andrei Shleifer wrote a paper titled "Regulation and Distrust." Using data from the World Values Survey, the authors convincingly argue that "distrust influences not just regulation itself, but the demand for regulation." They found that "distrust fuels support for government control over the economy. What is perhaps most interesting about this finding . . . is that distrust generates demand for regulation even when people realize that the government is corrupt and ineffective."


George W. Bush has certainly taught us that government really can't be trusted to be very effective, or open, or smart. He has also taught us that government can always get bigger on every level and every way. It's a sad lesson that we'll be learning for many years to come.


Mr. Gillespie is editor in chief of Reason.tv (http://www.reason.tv/) and Reason.com (http://www.reason.com/).




And yet...he was re-elected, must have been his overwhelming personal charisma and eloquence. :tu

In any case...wow, a Bush sucks article, haven't seen many of those on this forum.

Lead us whinehole, because if there's one thing this forum needs, it's someone saying Bush sucks and posting Bush sucks articles....that's definitely in short supply and it really helps you to stand apart from the bitching masses :tu

balli
01-25-2009, 01:13 PM
And yet...he was re-elected, must have been his overwhelming charisma and eloquence. :tu
So you're more or less calling yourself and anybody else stupid enough to vote for Bush in 04, a bunch of gullible suckers? I'd agree, you guys are easily manipulated morons.

whottt
01-25-2009, 01:18 PM
So you're more or less calling yourself and anybody else stupid enough to vote for Bush in 04, a bunch of gullible suckers? I'd agree, you guys are easily manipulated morons.


Easily manipulated morons when they are electing Obama as well, or just when it's Bush?

Ahhh...it's different then, isn't it?


Bush didn't win the popular vote in 2000...yet he did in 2004, in fact he got something like 11 million more votes after taking us into Iraq and being a diplomatic catastrophe, figure it out....it's not that Bush didn't suck, it's that the Democrats sucked worse, in fact they still do.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 01:28 PM
gillespie is the editor of reason. he's a libertarian, not a wsj beat writerI follow Reason. Since Gillespie has his own soapbox, WSJ didn't have to hand him the megaphone, but they did. It's the functional equivalent of pissing backward on Bush, only they did it with a guest columnist.


Whottt: If it had been published somewhere else, I'd probably have thought it not worth posting. At any rate, the points made about Bush are uncontroversially true IMO, and the study showing the correlation of political discouragement and the willingness to abide ever more government regulations was, I thought, intriguing.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 01:39 PM
how many letters to the editor does wsj publish each day? they'll print almost anything written by anybody with a semi-recognizeable nameThis was an opinion article. Much more valuable real estate than letters.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 02:41 PM
do you read the wall street journal regularly or just have a google alert set up for "reason magazine"?

my point is that it is inaccurate to attribute gillespie's opinions to the wall street journal

i'll start a counter-thread:

"WSJ: Bush Was Right When It Mattered Most"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123258532378704477.htmlFair enough. I do read the journal regularly, so I presume you share my surprise that they let Gillespie slag Bush. Letting Karl Rove write a love letter to his former boss is much more in keeping with the style of the last 8 years in the WSJ Op-Eds.

whottt
01-25-2009, 02:45 PM
I follow Reason. Since Gillespie has his own soapbox, WSJ didn't have to hand him the megaphone, but they did. It's the functional equivalent of pissing backward on Bush, only they did it with a guest columnist.


Whottt: If it had been published somewhere else, I'd probably have thought it not worth posting. At any rate, the points made about Bush are uncontroversially true IMO, and the study showing the correlation of political discouragement and the willingness to abide ever more government regulations was, I thought, intriguing.


Actually...everything in this article is not true:


Or the simple reality that taxpayers now guarantee some $8 trillion in inscrutable loans to a financial sector that collapsed from inscrutable loans.
Such programs were not in any way foisted on Mr. Bush, the way that welfare reform had been on Bill Clinton; they were signature projects, designed to create a legacy every bit as monumental and inspiring as Laura Bush's global literacy campaign.


That's a pretty ignorant statement and blatantly untrue...there are a few other contradictory statements but that one pretty much disproves your claim that everything in this article is true.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 03:27 PM
CNN thinks $8 trillion (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/06/news/economy/where_stimulus_fits_in/) is about right.

Where's your support, Whottt?

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 03:29 PM
Oops. That figure is from one month ago. It's probably too low now.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Whott: Are you saying the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind and the medicare drug benefit weren't emblematic Bush programs? Because that is about all Gillespie is saying in the part you bolded. You're crying over nothing IMO.

whottt
01-25-2009, 03:35 PM
My point is that saying that is a signature policy designed to create a monumental legacy is flat out ignorant.

whottt
01-25-2009, 03:42 PM
Whott: Are you saying the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind and the medicare drug benefit weren't emblematic Bush programs? Because that is about all Gillespie is saying in the part you bolded. You're crying over nothing IMO.

Did I bold the part about the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind, and the Presciption Drug Benefit?

No, in fact not only were they not bolded, they weren't even in the quote...so obviously I wasn't referring to them. The fact that you had to go back to the top of the page and find them should have been your first indicator that probably wasn't what I was talking about..

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 04:10 PM
My point is that saying that is a signature policy designed to create a monumental legacy is flat out ignorant.You need to look at the terms of the simile. Bush's signature programs (NCLB and the drug benefit) are compared with the Laura Bush's literacy foundation.

I suppose in a sly sort of way Gillespie may have suggested the president sought to burnish his legacy. IMO Gillespie's impish intent is neither here nor there. Beside the Iraq War and initial responses to the Panic of 2008, as a matter of legisative policy GWB will be most remembered for his federalization of education standards, the drug benefit and maybe the $15 billion for AIDS.

whottt
01-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Hey...you can rationalize anything.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 04:14 PM
No, in fact not only were they not bolded, they weren't even in the quote...so obviously I wasn't referring to them. The fact that you had to go back to the top of the page and find them should have been your first indicator that probably wasn't what I was talking about..By leaving NCLB, etc. out of your quote, you wrenched the bolded from its original context. To make what point, we're all still waiting to find out.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 04:15 PM
Hey...you can rationalize anything.And you can go ahead and make your point. Or do you even have one?

whottt
01-25-2009, 04:34 PM
By leaving NCLB, etc. out of your quote, you wrenched the bolded from its original context.

I did nothing of the kind...I absolutely did not change the context of anything, He most certainly did lump the bailout in with other staples of the Bush platform from the 2000 and 2004 Elections..and if that wasn't his intent, he certainly not make that clear...

I changed the context of nothing.




To make what point, we're all still waiting to find out.

I could make the point a thousand times over and you'd(along with many others) still be spinning on your wheel, if you haven't got it yet.

Just the fact that you think posting articles saying Bush sucks are somehow insightful political commentary, particularly on this forum, should tell you something if you were of an introspective nature.

I have purposely not called you stupid up to this point in our dialogues for one specific reason...because I dont' really think you are(and it's rare for me on this forum), but I would encourage you to maybe take a look at the forum and the sorts of articles posted before you come running to the forum to post the latest Iraq War, Bailout, Bush bashing commentary. You are more likely to find a lake in the Sahara than you are to find a Bush bashing article on these topics that breaks new ground.

Winehole23
01-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Just the fact that you think posting articles saying Bush sucks are somehow insightful political commentary, particularly on this forum, should tell you something if you were of an introspective nature. Why assume this when I said the article was unremarkable but for the outlet. If the WSJ even momentarily jumps on the bash Bush bandwagon, that is newsy all by itself.


You are more likely to find a lake in the Sahara than you are to find a Bush bashing article on these topics that breaks new ground.
Did I say new ground was broken? All you've done is knock down another strawman, Whottt.