Official: Spurs Trades Thread - Ideas and Scenarios

[superfedja]

Here's the trade : Tony Parker for Greg Oden + Someone (to match the salaries)

The questions:

1)Do you think the Spurs would do this trade ?
2)Do you think the Blazers would do this trade ?
3)Do you think there's a possibility this trade might happen or at least be considered by the teams ?

Here are my answers :

1)Yes!
2)Maybe...
3)I think it's a big dream for the Spurs. I don't think it will happen but I hope I'm wrong and I wanna know your opinion.

I believe Greg Oden is SERIOUSLY underrated at the moment and I believe he's not well-coached either, so his trade value is not what it should be and the Blazers are looking for a good PG. If I were Popovich I would definitely push hard to make this trade happen.

[JsnSA]

I think Greg has been too injury prone for the Spurs to trade a player like Parker for him.

[timvp]

Trade an All-Star point guard in his prime for a rookie center who is coming off of microfracture surgery and has been outplayed by Joel Przybilla this season.

RC has some competition :tu

[DynastyBuilder]

No. No. and No.

[Shastafarian]

Here's the trade : Tony Parker for Greg Oden + Someone (to match the salaries)

The questions:

1)Do you think the Spurs would do this trade ?
2)Do you think the Blazers would do this trade ?
3)Do you think there's a possibility this trade might happen or at least be considered by the teams ?

Here are my answers :

1)Yes!
2)Maybe...
3)I think it's a big dream for the Spurs. I don't think it will happen but I hope I'm wrong and I wanna know your opinion.

I believe Greg Oden is SERIOUSLY underrated at the moment and I believe he's not well-coached either, so his trade value is not what it should be and the Blazers are looking for a good PG. If I were Popovich I would definitely push hard to make this trade happen.

I'm sure Spurs fans are thanking their lucky stars you aren't Popovich.

[Sausage]

Unless that other player is Brandon Roy I say absolutely not.

[Sissiborgo]

Parker for Oden Hell no!:fro

[superfedja]

Trade an All-Star point guard in his prime for a rookie center who is coming off of microfracture surgery and has been outplayed by Joel Przybilla this season.

RC has some competition :tu

Przybilla hasn't out played Oden this season. I have watched every single game of the blazers this year and Oden's impact on the game is WAY BEYOND stats. First of all, he rarely sees single coverage and the Blazers aren't taking advantage of it. Second of all, the points in the paint of the other team drop SIGNIFICANTLY when he's on the court and so does the rebounding. He's only 20 years old, he has lots of upside and he has a very similar winning and humble attitude/personality to Duncan's. His idol is Tim Duncan. I know cuz I have talked with him and played in the same tournament as he did twice so I got to see him play VERY CLOSELY. He's going to regain lots of mobility over the next year. He will win many championships wherever he decides to go and will be underappreciated cuz he's similar to Duncan mentality-wise. He's a very smart player. The only thing that's slowing him down is the foul trouble but that will go away once he regains his explosiveness and reaches all-star status. Then again, he will never be appreciated like he sould be, like Duncan, cuz his impact goes beyond the scoring and the stat sheet, like Duncan. If you wanna look at Oden's impact, look at the Blazers record this season and not Oden's personal stats. It's the same thing when you're looking at Duncan, you don't watch his stats, you watch his championships and the winning mentality and leadeship he brings to the team. He has lesser stats but impacts the game a lot more than guys like Howard, Amare and Bosh. I don't even think the Blazers are realizing his value right now.With Hill playing well, Parker becomes more expendable. I think it's the perfect time to strike.

And I know Popovich has looked at him cuz he has the type of personnality Popovich is looking for and, on the floor, he's doing the type of things Popovich wants his players to do. The type of things that the media or your average ''I know basket-ball'' guy don't look for.By the way, if he stays in Portland, no mater how badly coached they are, they will dominate the league and it will be mostly because of Oden and not Roy (like the media will try to advertise). I have the biggest respect for Roy, he's one hell of a player but Oden will impact the game more.

[jdev82]

why would they?
thats the stupidest idea ever
oden has yet to make a splash. his defense is not what they'd hoped, and he's a liability offensively. tony is instant offense, the best penetrator in the game, and while we need a big, no way we'd give up 20 ppg for it.

[NFGIII]

Trade an All-Star point guard in his prime for a rookie center who is coming off of microfracture surgery and has been outplayed by Joel Przybilla this season.

RC has some competition :tu

Trading the present for the future isn't a good idea at this time. The Spurs are in the hunt for more rings until TD retires. After that then they will most likely have to rebuild. Trading TP - a top 5 PG in the league - isn't going to get you to the promised land. In fact it would constitutes a step backward. Hill at this time isn't going to be the force at PG that TP is. And you now have Jacque as backup. This is something that the Spurs were trying to fix with the drafting of Hill. Oden is years away from being the force that many think he will be. This would only waste TD's final years as a Spur.

And I don't believe that the Blazers would include Roy. That trade would negate almost everything that they have been trying to accomplish with the draft and at the same time not make them legit contenders. Still wannabes IMO. They will be a force in the future but not this season. They still need time to mature but when that happens everyone better look out.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would consider Aldridge Batum Lafrentz and two 1st picks for parker

[ClingingMars]

i would consider trading scrubs for Oden.

-Mars

[superfedja]

lol .... we dont fucking care about the 20 ppg that parker brings.... he doesnt IMPACT THE GAME nearluy as much as oden does ... in his rookie year!!! and by the way oden is starting to show up .... he dropped 25pts and 15rbds monday and yesterday he chipped in 18pts and 14rbds .... he will be more consistent from now on cuz he's fouling less (getting used to the nba's game speed) so he's getting more minutes ..... everytime oden played more than 30 minutes he dropped monster numbers.... lol so dont worry about parker's scoring.... anyways, the way oden prevents the other team from scoring in the paint, we will easily get those 20 points back on defense.....stop droping statistics, oden is above that, the dude's a fucking winner .... and trust me, pop would do it if he could get oden + outlaw, bayless, fernandez or batum.... then again, the other is just bonus to match the salaries

[klwa]

Rasheed Wallace is exactly what the Spurs need: a long, athletic big man who can score.

His contract is up at the end of the year and the Pistons don't seem like they will do much this year. Is there any chance the Spurs could trade for him?

The tough thing is the Spurs have very little of value to trade back.

[Spurs Brazil]

No chance

[Jayem]

bowen, hill, boner and manu for sheed!

[ducks]

Rasheed Wallace is exactly what the Spurs need: a long, athletic big man who can score.

His contract is up at the end of the year and the Pistons don't seem like they will do much this year. Is there any chance the Spurs could trade for him?

The tough thing is the Spurs have very little of value to trade back.

so you would trade manu or tp for him
then who would score?

[xtremesteven33]

this summer we go after sheed.

[jaffies]

I think Dwight Howard is exactly what we need.

But that shit aint happening.

[Slydragon]

Close your eyes and listen the the song

Wrp815ctBiA

[Austin_Toros]

Pistons will offer him more than spurs could

[klwa]

so you would trade manu or tp for him
then who would score?

I wouldn't trade Manu or Tony


That's what makes this hard. I really don't know who the Spurs can trade. Bonner, Hill and a 2012 First-Round Draft Pick?

[xtremesteven33]

Close your eyes and listen the the song

Wrp815ctBiA



was this about the spurs chances at winning today???

[Mal]

Pistons will offer him more than spurs could

Pistons can`t offer another ring this year

[JamStone]

This was been suggested in the NBA section recently. I said sure.

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili for Rasheed Wallace, and we'll even throw in Allen Iverson.

Done deal.

[ManuTP9]

theres no one good enough to trade for wallace, half our bench is scrubs.

[HarlemHeat37]

we don't need a player of Rasheed's caliber, we need a role player..like a Kendrick Perkins type..

[Mal]

Wow,I heard many trades ideas, but this one is very dumb.

Parker for Jefferson, hmmmmm

[edgar]

The spurs have never looked this bad during the trio era..barely winning games they typicially win by double digits and playing with a small lineup. Typically the Spurs tend to kick it up a knotch in the second half of the season but even if they did, they do not stack up well against the bigger teams out there. This team is a good "center" away from being able to compete and be a legit contender to come out of the west and come out on top come June. With that said I think its safe to say that the Spurs will trade away a Jewel from the team in order to receive the help they need. The only untouchables being duncan..parker..and manu.

[Slydragon]

was this about the spurs chances at winning today???

Nope, I didn't really get my hopes up for this game, Sure I wanted them to win but I called it to my brother after the Spurs won here in SA. I told him when we go to LA we are going to get blown out.

He wouldn't bet me. I wanted them to win but going by how they are playing and the history of the team. I just knew.

[2Cleva]

Likely so but to match salaries the Spurs are losing 2-4 players and their bench is thin as it is.

Kurt Thomas 4.2
Bowen 4
Oberto 3.5
Mason 3
Bonner 3
Finley 2.5

Being that they all end in 2010, teams would be interested in those Ks to dump a long one. They could get a quality player - question is will there be enough left in SA.

[xtremesteven33]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=242~2774~2805~866~1982&teams=12~12~12~12~24&te=&cash=
:hungry:

[Banzai]

I just can't see the Spurs trading away Duncan,Parker, or Manu...those 3 are Spurs for life.

[Muser]

Bonner just won't work in the big games, Thomas is too old and Oberto is..Well Oberto.

We don't need a centre who can score. We need a tall guy who's gonna get a good amount of rebounds per game.

[ducks]

The spurs have never looked this bad during the trio era..barely winning games they typicially win by double digits and playing with a small lineup. Typically the Spurs tend to kick it up a knotch in the second half of the season but even if they did, they do not stack up well against the bigger teams out there. This team is a good "center" away from being able to compete and be a legit contender to come out of the west and come out on top come June. With that said I think its safe to say that the Spurs will trade away a Jewel from the team in order to receive the help they need. The only untouchables being duncan..parker..and manu.

if spurs make a trade that amounts to anything
mason or manu have to part of it

[024]

i forgot finley had to be consented before a trade. he is likely not going anywhere.

[MaNu4Tres]

Mason Oberto Mahimni for Kaman

[ManuTP9]

I say finley and KT could be a good offer for somone. not sure

[Duncan2177]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=

[Muser]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=

I like that.

[xtremesteven33]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=



trading bowen would be a spurs curse that would never go away.

[xtremesteven33]

the ghost of bowen would haunt the AT&T center.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=

Wtf?

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs aren't going to trade Tim, Tony, Manu or Bowen. They can't trade Finley because he has to approve all trades.

So that leaves a bunch of guys that no one would want.

I seriously doubt you are going to get an impact player for Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and/or the rights to Splitter.

The Spurs might make a trade, but it won't be anything that significant.

[venitian navigator]

parker for oden, webster and bayless ? the numbers work...

[exstatic]

The spurs have never looked this bad during the trio era..barely winning games they typicially win by double digits and playing with a small lineup. Typically the Spurs tend to kick it up a knotch in the second half of the season but even if they did, they do not stack up well against the bigger teams out there. This team is a good "center" away from being able to compete and be a legit contender to come out of the west and come out on top come June. With that said I think its safe to say that the Spurs will trade away a Jewel from the team in order to receive the help they need. The only untouchables being duncan..parker..and manu.

The Spurs look this bad FREQUENTLY in January, like last year, for instance.

Enough of the drama.

[200 miles]

To get a decent center, one of the good players must shipped off.

Also, if there was one experiment that Popovich should put some time in, it should be the pairing of Parker and Hill for an adequate amount of time.

[ManuTP9]

The Spurs aren't going to trade Tim, Tony, Manu or Bowen. They can't trade Finley because he has to approve all trades.

So that leaves a bunch of guys that no one would want.

I seriously doubt you are going to get an impact player for Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and/or the rights to Splitter.

The Spurs might make a trade, but it won't be anything that significant.

How bout KT i mean im not sure if he has alot in the tank left but he cans till score and rebound a little

[scanry]

This was been suggested in the NBA section recently. I said sure.

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili for Rasheed Wallace, and we'll even throw in Allen Iverson.

Done deal.

Why would you want Duncan & Ginobili when we can offer Parker & Duncan???

[Duncan2177]

The Spurs aren't going to trade Tim, Tony, Manu or Bowen. They can't trade Finley because he has to approve all trades.

So that leaves a bunch of guys that no one would want.

I seriously doubt you are going to get an impact player for Bonner, Vaughn, Udoka, Mahinmi and/or the rights to Splitter.

The Spurs might make a trade, but it won't be anything that significant.

Well then were screwed sorry to say. :wakeup

[birdy219]

You think that we can get Dwight Howard for Oberto????? :hat

Call Memphis and see if we can get a freebie favor. Let them work out the details for us. Also, no one will have to know about it until it is done. That way no other team can outbid us for our trade. Okay, we can throw in Jacque Vaugh for free. :bang It works for me.



Didn't this happen last year? Why wasn't this investigated? Things that make me say hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :p: :nope

[vander]

The spurs have never looked this bad during the trio era..barely winning games they typicially win by double digits and playing with a small lineup. Typically the Spurs tend to kick it up a knotch in the second half of the season but even if they did, they do not stack up well against the bigger teams out there. This team is a good "center" away from being able to compete and be a legit contender to come out of the west and come out on top come June. With that said I think its safe to say that the Spurs will trade away a Jewel from the team in order to receive the help they need. The only untouchables being duncan..parker..and manu.

Manu should be #1 on the trading block if we are looking to trade. he's done, er, I mean, would have lots of value to some other team.

[Agloco]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=83~2805~874~125&teams=12~12~12~24&te=&cash=

I've been telling my friends for the past 2 seasons that we should be going balls-out for MC.

Clippers are gonna want more than the road-kill we have sitting on our bench though. Having Scola in our back pocket would be mighty nice right about now.

Bottom line is that without an athletic big the Spurs are most likely done against LA, Boston, Cleveland or Orlando come playoff time.

[Agloco]

Here's the trade : Tony Parker for Greg Oden + Someone (to match the salaries)

The questions:

1)Do you think the Spurs would do this trade ?
2)Do you think the Blazers would do this trade ?
3)Do you think there's a possibility this trade might happen or at least be considered by the teams ?

Here are my answers :

1)Yes!
2)Maybe...
3)I think it's a big dream for the Spurs. I don't think it will happen but I hope I'm wrong and I wanna know your opinion.

I believe Greg Oden is SERIOUSLY underrated at the moment and I believe he's not well-coached either, so his trade value is not what it should be and the Blazers are looking for a good PG. If I were Popovich I would definitely push hard to make this trade happen.

With good reason. No way you give up a proven asset like Parker and gamble on Oden. Not if you're interested in winning while Timmy still draws breath......

You've gotta go after someone like Camby, Okafor or perhaps even Kaman.

[Duncan2177]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~874~992&teams=30~30~24&te=&cash=




He brings length and is a good shot blocker and rebounder. Any thoughts?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~874~992&teams=30~30~24&te=&cash=




He brings length and is a good shot blocker and rebounder. Any thoughts?

I think your repeated attempts to trade a guy on the deactive list and another coming off injury for anyone is retarded.

[m33p0]

never mind what the spurs' FO would think about this trade. portland ain't gonna do it.

[Duncan2177]

I think your repeated attempts to trade a guy on the deactive list and another coming off injury for anyone is retarded.

Well excuse me dickhead.

[ManuTP9]

how about Anthony Randolph from the Warriors?, i like this guy he averages 5.6 pts and 4.1 rebounds a game. Everytime i see him play the guy plays like an animal, unlike Oberto or KT he is more athletic, even though he needs work down in the post he is better than Fab down there. I would love to see this guy side by side with Tim , but one issue i have with the guy is that he,s so into the game that he rushes alot and makes mistakes, but that can be fixed. Not only can he block good he cand rebound good.If Pop likes foreigners this kid is from Germany.:hat


http://i39.tinypic.com/mm7sdk.jpg
PPG:5.6
RPG:4.1

[024]

i honestly think there isn't a trade scenario that would put the spurs over the top. spurs won't trade ginobili, duncan, parker, mason, bowen, and finley because he requires consent. no one will honestly want differing packages of vaughn + udoka + bonner + oberto. instead, i think the spurs should dump bonner for cap space for 2009 and maybe a 2nd round pick. then in 2009, the spurs will have more luxury tax space to sign a good center (rasheed wallace for the full MLE).

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Here's the trade : Tony Parker for Greg Oden + Someone (to match the salaries)

The questions:

1)Do you think the Spurs would do this trade ?
2)Do you think the Blazers would do this trade ?
3)Do you think there's a possibility this trade might happen or at least be considered by the teams ?

Here are my answers :

1)Yes!
2)Maybe...
3)I think it's a big dream for the Spurs. I don't think it will happen but I hope I'm wrong and I wanna know your opinion.

I believe Greg Oden is SERIOUSLY underrated at the moment and I believe he's not well-coached either, so his trade value is not what it should be and the Blazers are looking for a good PG. If I were Popovich I would definitely push hard to make this trade happen.

No. No. No.

You really think Pop is going to trade the All-Star PG he groomed and has running his team on a very reasonable salary for a prospect? That's all we need to know, thanks.


Trade an All-Star point guard in his prime for a rookie center who is coming off of microfracture surgery and has been outplayed by Joel Przybilla this season.

RC has some competition :tu

PWNED

And where the fuck do you get off labeling your thread "official"? It's not official in any sense and you've got 68 posts to your name. GTFO.

[duncan228]

And where the fuck do you get off labeling your thread "official"? It's not official in any sense and you've got 68 posts to your name. GTFO.

I don't think the OP did it Ruff. The thread was called 'Questions about a trade', then a couple more trade threads popped up. I think Kori merged them all and created one 'Official' thread for all the trade talk.

[BobEX]

Parker + Oberto + Splitter for Bosh. Neither team would do it, but at this point I would welcome a trade of Ginobili or Parker to get Duncan some real help for the rest of his career.

[m33p0]

Parker + Oberto + Splitter for Bosh. Neither team would do it, but at this point I would welcome a trade of Ginobili or Parker to get Duncan some real help for the rest of his career.
parker>bosh

[BobEX]

parker>bosh

apples and oranges.

[ManuTP9]

apples and oranges.

:wakeup

[rascal]

I say finley and KT could be a good offer for somone. not sure


Who would want those washed up players?

[m33p0]

apples and oranges.
splitter >= bosh

[Kori Ellis]

I think Kori merged them all and created one 'Official' thread for all the trade talk.

No, I didn't but I think timvp merged four of them together because people went wild after the game, trading everyone but the Coyote.

[Buddy Holly]

Of the big three, the only one I'm willing to trade is Manu. It'd suck but his game has slowly regressed the last couple of seasons imo. I think it'd be best to him while he still has good value.

Manu, Ime and Ian for Rudy, Sergio, Batum, Shavlik and Joel.

[benefactor]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~874~992&teams=30~30~24&te=&cash=




He brings length and is a good shot blocker and rebounder. Any thoughts?
I'm thinking his contract is terrible.

[m33p0]

No, I didn't but I think timvp merged four of them together because people went wild after the game, trading everyone but the Coyote.
yeah, coz Coyote is the franchise. :downspin:

[m33p0]

I'm thinking his contract is terrible.
he's also as dumb as they come.

[duncan228]

No, I didn't but I think timvp merged four of them together because people went wild after the game, trading everyone but the Coyote.

:lol At least we all agree on something, we've got the best mascot.

I knew they'd been merged, took a guess at who did it. :)

[Flux451]

this is just off the top, too tired to look up numbers.

Parker, Fin, Bonner, Croshere, for Stuckey, Sheed

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

My apologies to the OP about the official thing. My bad. :oops

Thanks for pointing it out 228, and explaining, Kori. I don't like the idea of just anyone using the word "official" - that's YOUR (and LJ's) word around here! :lol

Maybe this thread should be sticky so all the trade idea BS can go into the one, constant thread. I'm getting sick of all the dumb trade idea threads sweeping the more legitimate threads off the first page.

[DPG21920]

Here is the more pertinent question: Will Manu be extended/re-signed? If so, when? If not, why?

[NewJerSpur]

I would love to somehow trade for David Lee right about now. He was already Spurs material with his hustle and effort on the boards as well as on defense. I was leary of trying to acquire him this past offseason because of his limited offensive capability, but playing under D'Antoni has allowed him to grow more in that area....he's even taking and making mid-range jumpshots more consistently (he's always had good form, just no confidence which left a lot of his shots short or made him shy away from shooting). He can also get up the floor pretty quickly.

Bigs are such a commodity and skilled ones aren't just growing on trees that I don't know if we have enough to make a trade for a veteran one; don't really have time to develop a raw youngin' right now. Our biggest chips outside of the big 3 aren't tradeable: Mase/Hill. Udoka hasn't been showcased enough to have any real value at this point. Bonner I could see shipping off with possibly Ian and a draft pick but what would that get you and would it leave another hole in the area of 3-point shooting?

My guess is rather than disrupt the potential chemistry that might develop Pop and RC might sit on their hands until the offseason and let the chips fall where they may, thinking that a lesser unit went further last year than most thought they could and some money might be freed up to make some serious moves. Time will tell, but panic is not in order just yet IMO.

[DPG21920]

I also feel that this team is better than last years team IF Manu can play like he did last year consistently. It all hinges on him.

[timvp]

Here is the more pertinent question: Will Manu be extended/re-signed? If so, when? If not, why?If Manu's holds up health-wise for the remainder of the season and the playoffs, I expect he'll get a two-year extension.

[underdawg]

I would love to somehow trade for David Lee right about now. He was already Spurs material with his hustle and effort on the boards as well as on defense. I was leary of trying to acquire him this past offseason because of his limited offensive capability, but playing under D'Antoni has allowed him to grow more in that area....he's even taking and making mid-range jumpshots more consistently (he's always had good form, just no confidence which left a lot of his shots short or made him shy away from shooting). He can also get up the floor pretty quickly.

Bigs are such a commodity and skilled ones aren't just growing on trees that I don't know if we have enough to make a trade for a veteran one; don't really have time to develop a raw youngin' right now. Our biggest chips outside of the big 3 aren't tradeable: Mase/Hill. Udoka hasn't been showcased enough to have any real value at this point. Bonner I could see shipping off with possibly Ian and a draft pick but what would that get you and would it leave another hole in the area of 3-point shooting?

My guess is rather than disrupt the potential chemistry that might develop Pop and RC might sit on their hands until the offseason and let the chips fall where they may, thinking that a lesser unit went further last year than most thought they could and some money might be freed up to make some serious moves. Time will tell, but panic is not in order just yet IMO.

cheikh samb - cheap, healthy, 7ftr, blocks shots and rebounds. don't know if the clippers have that much stake in him, but camby will be back soon.

[NewJerSpur]

cheikh samb - cheap, healthy, 7ftr, blocks shots and rebounds. don't know if the clippers have that much stake in him, but camby will be back soon.

I haven't seen too much of him, but he looks statistically like a work in progress. I think we'd need a guy with at least a few years under the belt or some SERIOUS upside. If you've seen Ian play, you have to ask yourself who you think may have more potential to develop into a sold athletic big?

[underdawg]

I haven't seen too much of him, but he looks statistically like a work in progress. I think we'd need a guy with at least a few years under the belt or some SERIOUS upside. If you've seen Ian play, you have to ask yourself who you think may have more potential to develop into a sold athletic big?

I've seen Ian during preseason only and Cheikh only against the Thunder last week, so my sample size is small. that said, I think Cheikh looked like a further along defender.

[underdawg]

I've seen Ian during preseason only and Cheikh only against the Thunder last week, so my sample size is small. that said, I think Cheikh looked like a further along defender.

pre-season last year

[underdawg]

I haven't seen too much of him, but he looks statistically like a work in progress. I think we'd need a guy with at least a few years under the belt or some SERIOUS upside. If you've seen Ian play, you have to ask yourself who you think may have more potential to develop into a sold athletic big?

now it doesn't matter since Ian's out for the year - go get cheikh and put him in Austin for a month.

[galvatron3000]

I think the Pistons will allow Sheed to walk and go with the young guys, they are trying to make a last effort run with the guys there but it's not working, Sheed will probably be offered a contract but will probably garner more from another team, whether that team is a contender is the question.

A I will also be probably be gone and the Piston will officially be in rebuild mode after this season.

AI needs to be in a system that will allow him to thrive from a team concept, the triangle would best suit his talents because he can't play the traditional pg position and the triangle doesn't have to have one especially in LA where Kobe, Fisher, Odom, and Farmer can all bring the ball up and just run the triangle through Bynum, Gasol or Kobe anyway. I doubt he goes to LA but that's where I think he'd best fit especially at this stage of he could sign with the Magic who could use his help but it would take from Nelson IMO.

[DAF86]

Stop trying to trade the only player that takes it to the lane from time to time, instead of taking lazy bank shots or unmakeable step back threes.

[DaBears]

What about a trade for MG or TP for Tshaun Prince from Detroit and 1 of thier Bigs.

Just an idea dont hate it give it a thought.

[tp2021]

No!
No No No No No No No No No
NO

[completely deck]

STOP with the insane trades. We are not going to trade Tim, Tony, or Manu. Period

[completely deck]

Can we trade the OP

[I. Hustle]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c367/whitebread27/retard1.jpg

[mytespurs]

It seems like in a lot of posts recently due to the ass raping we recieved from the Lakers a lot of trade speculations with Tony or Manu at the center is being talked about. So are they not off limits anymore? Should we even risk breaking up the trio? Phoenix tried to take a risk and they took it up the ass.


No, everyone, as usual, is overreacting. We're only a 1/4 thru the season and everyone is in panic mode. The Spurs have the second best record in the WC; no-they probably won't catch the Lakers but as long as they're in the mix in the end, that what matters. :hat

[2Cleva]

No way should the Spurs play for the future, as Tim's door is closing and Pop isn't around forever. Especially when teams like the Lakers and Blazers have so many young pieces and are way ahead.

What SA should do is offer Hill and cap filler for a vet player to try to get them closer to LA. Hill (1), KT (4.2) or Oberto (3.5) and Bowen (4) gives the Spurs $8.5-9.2 mil in salaries to send. It offers a promising rookie and plenty of Ks ending in 2010. SA would have to add a 1st as well.

Do that and they can get a piece. Yes, they would lose Bowen's man-to-man D on Kobe but as the game yesterday showed, the days of just sticking to Kobe are over. Several times Bowen had to double off Kobe to help on Bynum.

With the salary buffer, SA can get some real help with that 9 mil.

Hill, Bowen, Thomas, and Udoka to GS for Maggette and Turiaf is probably the best the Spurs can do.

[mrspurs]

No, everyone, as usual, is overreacting. We're only a 1/4 thru the season and everyone is in panic mode. The Spurs have the second best record in the WC; no-they probably won't catch the Lakers but as long as they're in the mix in the end, that what matters. :hat

Yup. If your a player and the NBA season is over. And you find yourself still playing in the NBA. Your getting paid extra..........Regardless of where you finish. Your wallet is happier. As for trades, I wouldnt trade TP. We have already proven we can win without Manu. Id trade Manu for someone who can play (not stand) next to Timmy. After yesterdays game in this business, I bet Timmy would to.

[beachwood]

The Spurs look this bad FREQUENTLY in January, like last year, for instance.

Enough of the drama.

As I recall, we lost last year and an inexperienced Hornets team took us to 7 games.

And now we're a year older.

[spursnatic]

how about Anthony Randolph from the Warriors?, i like this guy he averages 5.6 pts and 4.1 rebounds a game. Everytime i see him play the guy plays like an animal, unlike Oberto or KT he is more athletic, even though he needs work down in the post he is better than Fab down there. I would love to see this guy side by side with Tim , but one issue i have with the guy is that he,s so into the game that he rushes alot and makes mistakes, but that can be fixed. Not only can he block good he cand rebound good.If Pop likes foreigners this kid is from Germany.:hat


http://i39.tinypic.com/mm7sdk.jpg
PPG:5.6
RPG:4.1 Pop would just send him down to Austin?.....

[spursnatic]

I think we should try going after Alexis Ajinca?...Bobcats are overflowed at the center position, especially with Diop going there. And I bet we could get him for Vaughn, Tiago Splitter's rights and some cash?...What do you people think?....:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2::flag:

[arodz]

How about trading Oberto for Emeka Okafor? Hey why not? Shit, if the Lakers could get Gasol for a washing machine, why can't we do the same? Remember, Larry Brown is there and he and Pop are close.

[DPG21920]

No, everyone, as usual, is overreacting. We're only a 1/4 thru the season and everyone is in panic mode. The Spurs have the second best record in the WC; no-they probably won't catch the Lakers but as long as they're in the mix in the end, that what matters. :hat

We are half way through the season.

[urunobili]

Charlie Villanueva anyone?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like how this is called the official trade thread when the first trade proposed is one of the gayest on record. And when I say 'gayest' I mean the most gay.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

And where the fuck do you get off labeling your thread "official"? It's not official in any sense and you've got 68 posts to your name. GTFO.


I don't think the OP did it Ruff. The thread was called 'Questions about a trade', then a couple more trade threads popped up. I think Kori merged them all and created one 'Official' thread for all the trade talk.


No, I didn't but I think timvp merged four of them together because people went wild after the game, trading everyone but the Coyote.


My apologies to the OP about the official thing. My bad. :oops

Thanks for pointing it out 228, and explaining, Kori. I don't like the idea of just anyone using the word "official" - that's YOUR (and LJ's) word around here! :lol

Maybe this thread should be sticky so all the trade idea BS can go into the one, constant thread. I'm getting sick of all the dumb trade idea threads sweeping the more legitimate threads off the first page.


I like how this is called the official trade thread when the first trade proposed is one of the gayest on record. And when I say 'gayest' I mean the most gay.

:D

[m33p0]

How about trading Oberto for Emeka Okafor? Hey why not? Shit, if the Lakers could get Gasol for a washing machine, why can't we do the same? Remember, Larry Brown is there and he and Pop are close.
the lakers were able to pull that trade off coz they basically traded within their organization. they even screwed portland by signing miles.

[Duncan2177]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~866~874~2184&teams=14~14~14~24&te=&cash=24:14

[Lakers999]

the lakers were able to pull that trade off coz they basically traded within their organization. they even screwed portland by signing miles.

last time i checked chris wallace took over GM for the grizz in 07.... IF ANYONE TRADED WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION IT WOULD BE THE BOSTON CELTICS BETWEEN MCHALE AND AINGE....

[z0sa]

last time i checked chris wallace took over GM for the grizz in 07.... IF ANYONE TRADED WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION IT WOULD BE THE BOSTON CELTICS BETWEEN MCHALE AND AINGE....

someone's still pissed about June

[Lakers999]

someone's still pissed about June

ya and so are spurs fan for calling the gasol trade robbery

[z0sa]

ya and so are spurs fan for calling the gasol trade robbery

this is the trade thread. Gasol thread's over there >>>

[Shastafarian]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1721~2016&teams=1~24&te=&cash=

I love Mason. He could be one of the more valuable spot up shooters. But I just can't shake how weak we are up front. That being said I'm not sure why Atlanta would do this trade. It's a pipe dream. I love shooting down my own ideas!

[HarlemHeat37]

Zaza sucks, I wouldn't trade Mason for him..he isn't what we need at all..

[Shastafarian]

Zaza sucks, I wouldn't trade Mason for him..he isn't what we need at all..

I think he could be valuable in Pop's system. But I don't think Atlanta would do it.

[loveforthegame]

Zaza is interesting but I wouldn't give up Mason for him.

[Shastafarian]

Zaza is interesting but I wouldn't give up Mason for him.

I think this team is at the point where tough decisions need to be made. As it is, this team can't make it to the finals (IMO). They need another big man that can actually make a difference. I would love to trade Finley but he has final say on that and I'm not sure who would want him.

[Duncan2177]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=575~2805~874&teams=24~23~23&te=&cash=

[HarlemHeat37]

I still don't understand why Mikki Moore is so desired here..I watched him during his time as a Net, and he barely impressed me even in the breakout season..

[MaNu4Tres]

Mason Oberto Mahimni for Kaman?? Would you do it?

[loveforthegame]

I watch a lot of Kings games and Moore would be a welcomed addition. Nice jumper, runs the floor well, active around the basket. I think pairing him with Duncan would work.

The Kings are shopping Miller so they might want to hold on to Moore at this point.

[DPG21920]

Mason Oberto Mahimni for Kaman?? Would you do it?

I would rather have Camby because he expires in 2010, but of course the Spurs would do this.

[Shastafarian]

Mason Oberto Mahimni for Kaman?? Would you do it?

No, that's too much for the Cave Man.

[MaNu4Tres]

No, that's too much for the Cave Man.

Your crazy. I think its as realistic as it can get.

[Shastafarian]

Your crazy. I think its as realistic as it can get.

It's too much from the Spurs point of view. You give up one of your best shooters and possibly your future center for a guy who has been injured for the past two years.

[Josepatches_]

But it's right TD is older every year and we are going to be worse every year.We could have chance to win the NBA this year but what about the future?.We could fight only to be in the playoffs but without chance to win.I would trade TP or Manu if we could get a big young player who can be our franchise player for the future
I don't know how good Oden could be.Right now maybe it's stupid trade him for Parker.But we are not going to be a top team when TD retires so I don't care about trade TP or Manu if we can get "the player" for the future of the team.Without trade we can only pray to be lucky in the draft

[MaNu4Tres]

It's too much from the Spurs point of view. You give up one of your best shooters and possibly your future center for a guy who has been injured for the past two years.

Typical Biased spurs fan.


I guess Oberto Bowen and Vaughn would be more realistic then?

[Shastafarian]

Typical Biased spurs fan.


I guess Oberto Bowen and Vaughn would be more realistic then?

What is up your butt? No that would not be realistic.

[MaNu4Tres]

What is up your butt? No that would not be realistic.

It's called sarcasm. Most of what spurs fans are proposing includes Oberto + Bowen or a package that nobody would want. Let's face it in order to get a big man worth a crap Mason would more than likely have to be included.

[Shastafarian]

It's called sarcasm. My what's up your butt was directed at you calling me a "typical biased spurs fan".

[MaNu4Tres]

For saying Mason Oberto mahimni is too much for Kaman.

[Shastafarian]

For saying Mason Oberto mahimni is too much for Kaman.

...yeah I got it. I asked what was up your butt. It is too much from the Spurs perspective. You're giving up three point shooting and a first round draft pick for Kaman. I don't think it's worth it.

[MaNu4Tres]

...yeah I got it. I asked what was up your butt. It is too much from the Spurs perspective. You're giving up three point shooting and a first round draft pick for Kaman. I don't think it's worth it.

lol your crazy

[DPG21920]

...yeah I got it. I asked what was up your butt. It is too much from the Spurs perspective. You're giving up three point shooting and a first round draft pick for Kaman. I don't think it's worth it.

That is not too much at all. We got to the WCF without Mason last year and without Ian. We now have hill that can play some 1/2 and Ian is not playing this year and Fab is shaky at best.

Kaman is young and talented and is the best we could hope for from Ian anyways. It would be well worth it imo, but not enough to get the talented big man.

[mardigan]

Biedrins from Golden State has been a pipe dream of mine for a long time. Too bad the Spurs have nothing substantial to give up outside the big 3 for anyone with youth and/or talent.

[DaBears]

Why we are all wishing here i say lets go for kenyon Martin from Denver and Joe smith. For Manu Ginobli & Jaque Vaughn + Bowen if need be.

[DaBears]

I meant JR Smith
Not Jow smith the old timer should be retired, although he probably plays better than some of ours.

[Shastafarian]

Why we are all wishing here i say lets go for kenyon Martin from Denver and Joe smith. For Manu Ginobli & Jaque Vaughn + Bowen if need be.

Are you serious?

[DPG21920]

No way we give up Gino for that trash. No gino = no chip. Unless it is for a prime time, franchise caliber player (which is not going to happen) we must think of moves that keep the core intact.

[DaBears]

I know we have all heard the cliche inorder to get a franchise player when have to give up one. We just have to find which 1 of ours if we had to give up one would be worth it and probably be better after trade. You have to think of it in a business sense not a fans point of view.

[DaBears]

I say you can still win a championship with out a great pointguard, bit in this case TP is more productive than Manu is. Even if manu is un healthy his production is not were TP is.

[DaBears]

SPURS have trouble this yr compared to yrs past becuase they have a smaller lineup thans yrs past. Hints thats why are defense is not as good. (interior) Bigger lineup makes it easier to score. ask the lakers, blazers, shit even cleveland, boston. Orlando they all have a big starting 5. Thats the truth.

[Shastafarian]

I know we have all heard the cliche inorder to get a franchise player when have to give up one. We just have to find which 1 of ours if we had to give up one would be worth it and probably be better after trade. You have to think of it in a business sense not a fans point of view.

I'm still wondering who the other franchise player is (other than Manu) in your original trade proposal.

[mardigan]

I would give up Manu for Biedrins in a heartbeat.

[Shastafarian]

I would give up Manu for Biedrins in a heartbeat.

It's always risky when you're trading for a guy who has been in Nellie's system. Is he big and athletic? Yeah. Does he benefit from the system? More than likely. It's just a question of how much he benefits from the system.

[DaBears]

I think the only other player we can give would be TP, TD is going to start hitting his downward slope soon if not started already! thats just life as an athlete. TP stays healthy alot longer than ginobli. The guy is a better defender than TP and gives you passion like no other, but TP is consistent i just hate to give that up.

[DaBears]

You night never be able to find another Manu that gives you the intangenables but the 14-16 points a game that Manu scores can be replaced with another that scores 14-16 pts a game. Alot of players in the leaque can do that.

[mardigan]

It's always risky when you're trading for a guy who has been in Nellie's system. Is he big and athletic? Yeah. Does he benefit from the system? More than likely. It's just a question of how much he benefits from the system.

He's also only 22, and doesnt need plays called for him to score. He has just always seemed like he would be the perfect fit.

[ManuTP9]

Anthony Randolph only problem is that hes 19 and pop doesnt like young guys, but hes a beast.

[DaBears]

I dont think its that POP doesnt like young players, its the fact he likes to stick with a surething. Youngs players are in consistent and thats what i think POP has a problem with. But lot back in the day He started TP, and look has even given G hill time, he's coming around!! He has to or the Leaque will pass the SPURS bye.

[DaBears]

what about that french man, that players for Portland young guy athletic. We had a chance to draft him this yr but was selected by portland ahead of us. name starts with a B or something like that. Tall really athletic scored on us a bunch in the game i saw early in the season.

[angelbelow]

matt bonners value might be high enough for us to pull off a trade, hes serviceable and his contract expires in 2010. im not looking for a superstar or anything but we may be able to get that athletic big man we want. maybe a nick collison or a jeff foster type player.

[ManuTP9]

what about that french man, that players for Portland young guy athletic. We had a chance to draft him this yr but was selected by portland ahead of us. name starts with a B or something like that. Tall really athletic scored on us a bunch in the game i saw early in the season.

batum?

[DaBears]

thats the guy batum!! Doesnt solve the bigman problem but he shows a heck of alot in talent.

[DaBears]

Besides San Antonio deserves a player that gets us on Sportscenter every know and again with some alley-opps. i havent seen an alley opp from the SPURS since Clinton was in office.

[sonic21]

how about this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1996~866~874~2789&teams=9~9~9~24&te=&cash=

[DaBears]

Thats doesnt really help the SPURS any. Your giving up 3- guys for one. Matt bonner by himself has better stats than turif. Need decent score and BIGMAN who can through some bows elbows. Rebound black. Ronnie my freind is a little undersized at the 4 position.

[DaBears]

I think this trade works out for the best. SPURS would have a nice run at a couple more rings with this lineup. Check it out for your self.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=272~2774~2805~874~515~2444&teams=7~7~7~7~24~24&te=&cash=

Starting 5:
Tony Parker
Micheal Finley
J.R. Smith
Kenyon Martin
Tim Duncan


Equals CHAMPIONSHIPS

[mardigan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=272~874~3190~2427~3242&teams=9~9~24~24~24&te=&cash=

I like this one, even though its unrealistic that the Warriors would do it.

[Shastafarian]

I think this trade works out for the best. SPURS would have a nice run at a couple more rings with this lineup. Check it out for your self.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=272~2774~2805~874~515~2444&teams=7~7~7~7~24~24&te=&cash=

Starting 5:
Tony Parker
Micheal Finley
J.R. Smith
Kenyon Martin
Tim Duncan


Equals CHAMPIONSHIPS

Just stop...please

[Russ]

Nazr Mohammed anyone?

[ManuTP9]

Nazr Mohammed anyone?

elson?

[Russ]

elson?

I like 'em both. :)

[Shastafarian]

Nazr Mohammed anyone?


elson?

How about Malik Rose

[sonic21]

Ely?

[mardigan]

Batteer!

[Duncan2177]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~866~874~1710&teams=15~15~15~24&te=&cash=24:15

:downspin:

[Chieflion]

Here's the trade : Tony Parker for Greg Oden + Someone (to match the salaries)

The questions:

1)Do you think the Spurs would do this trade ?
2)Do you think the Blazers would do this trade ?
3)Do you think there's a possibility this trade might happen or at least be considered by the teams ?

Here are my answers :

1)Yes!
2)Maybe...
3)I think it's a big dream for the Spurs. I don't think it will happen but I hope I'm wrong and I wanna know your opinion.

I believe Greg Oden is SERIOUSLY underrated at the moment and I believe he's not well-coached either, so his trade value is not what it should be and the Blazers are looking for a good PG. If I were Popovich I would definitely push hard to make this trade happen.

That was my idea. Fuck you.

[Rogue]

jakie butler > NM and elson both

[DPG21920]

That was my idea. Fuck you.

I would not take credit for that.

[ManuTP9]

jakie butler > NM and elson both

:toast agreed

[Chieflion]

I would not take credit for that.

Actually, all of us have different views of Oden, plus he is starting to get it together, add Bayless (above average defense and penetration ability for a rookie, just needs playing time) and Outlaw(long versatile 3 player and can start for the Spurs) to the deal and we have a contender. Salary matches too. 2010 seems more realistic after this too.

[Spur-Addict]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2805~866~874~1710&teams=15~15~15~24&te=&cash=24:15

:downspin:

I always loved his energy.



I would not take credit for that.

:lmao

[underdawg]

Doubt Sac would do this, but..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1996~866~1726&teams=23~23~24&te=&cash=

Also, you trade the Clips a second rounder (maybe some cash) for Cheikh Samb (7.1' - blocks shots and rebounds.) He has a better shot than Ian and runs the floor better - blocks and rebounds are similar. Plug him in somewhere and I'm pretty confident he improves our interior defense against athletic bigs and guards that have been getting free passes to the rim.

Not a major change, but you now have 3 players that create offense (TP, Manu and Salmons.)

[Chieflion]

Doubt Sac would do this, but..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1996~866~1726&teams=23~23~24&te=&cash=

Also, you trade the Clips a second rounder (maybe some cash) for Cheikh Samb (7.1' - blocks shots and rebounds.) He has a better shot than Ian and runs the floor better - blocks and rebounds are similar. Plug him in somewhere and I'm pretty confident he improves our interior defense against athletic bigs and guards that have been getting free passes to the rim.

Not a major change, but you now have 3 players that create offense (TP, Manu and Salmons.)

We need a big. What is the point of trading Bonner (a big) and screwing up 2010.

[underdawg]

We need a big. What is the point of trading Bonner (a big) and screwing up 2010.

I don't think you get a quality big this season, so getting a functional big (I know I'm stretching it with Samb) and Salmons salary is only 5.8 mil in 2010. Bonner's and Udoka's salaries are a wash.

Edit: I should say you won't have Bowen or Finley's salary in 2010 and you need to fill the roster - 5.8 mil isn't expensive

[angelbelow]

We need a big. What is the point of trading Bonner (a big) and screwing up 2010.

nice avy. thats my favorite character.

[intlspurshk]

SPURS have too many limitations when we talking about trade
1st is to keep 2010 plan intact
2nd is to keep salaries below lux tax threhold
3rd is to keep big four in the team to demonstrate loyalty and maintain advantage in playoff experience and chemisry
On top of these objectives, some fans also want to keep GH, Mason, Splitter, Hairston, Gist for future development.

That leaves Bonner, JV, Thomas, Ian, Udoka, Oberto, and 2nd round rights who don't seem to be qualified for NBA games yet.

I don't see how SPURS can improve with the above assets and keep the objectives. Even some teams want cap space, the SPURS may not trade with them as it would mean taking long term contract.

There is no help from D league. So, SPURS have to get upgrade from draft but it also makes no sense to tank for this year.

I see SPURS may not be able to get past the top tier elite teams unless they give up some objectives.

[024]

turiaf would actually be a pretty good acquisition. i think he's just kind of unmotivated and confused on the warriors. having turiaf would add a prolific shotblocker (he's freakin averaging 2.1 blocks in 18 minutes) and capable post defender as well as an energizing force if played off the bench. plays with a lot of aggression and circles the basket like a shark. having turiaf would generate confidence in spurs guards, letting them attack the paint knowing that turiaf is there to clean up their shots. interior defenders won't be able to leave turiaf too far to provide extra help.

[Mr. Body]

We need Felton Spencer back. Where is he?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Zaza Pachulia?

Ime+Oberto works under ESPN trade machine.

He's a good rebounder and very underrated.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Too many to check.









Check.

[Agloco]

lol .... we dont fucking care about the 20 ppg that parker brings.... he doesnt IMPACT THE GAME nearluy as much as oden does ... in his rookie year!!! and by the way oden is starting to show up .... he dropped 25pts and 15rbds monday and yesterday he chipped in 18pts and 14rbds .... he will be more consistent from now on cuz he's fouling less (getting used to the nba's game speed) so he's getting more minutes ..... everytime oden played more than 30 minutes he dropped monster numbers.... lol so dont worry about parker's scoring.... anyways, the way oden prevents the other team from scoring in the paint, we will easily get those 20 points back on defense.....stop droping statistics, oden is above that, the dude's a fucking winner .... and trust me, pop would do it if he could get oden + outlaw, bayless, fernandez or batum.... then again, the other is just bonus to match the salaries

:lmao

[45 bank shot]

Are the spurs really gonna make a trade before the deadline?
If so, who will possibly be traded?

[Chieflion]

Ginobili!!!!! Oops, wrong thread.

[DPG21920]

Ashton Kutcher, is this you?

[ducks]

Are the spurs really gonna make a trade before the deadline?
If so, who will possibly be traded?

DID NOT SPURS JUST SPANK JAZZ,SUNS, HORNETS?
after lossing to the lakers on a early game where duncan always sucks on early games

[m33p0]

at most, they will simply sign someone to warm the 15th seat on the bench.

[exstatic]

We're starting to get separation for the #2 spot in the WC, and you want to break up the band?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Another lame trade thread... what a valuable contribution. :rolleyes

[spectator]

these 2 trades will never happen, but just to satisfy my inner desire of finding a team to match with the lakers talent-wise:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1726~846~866&teams=24~23~23&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1726%7E846%7E866&teams=24%7E23%7E23&te=&cash=) (Kurt and Udoka for Salmons)

and

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=125~1996~83~874&teams=24~12~12~12&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=125%7E1996%7E83%7E874&teams=24%7E12%7E12%7E12&te=&cash=) (Bruce, Jacque and Matt for Camby)

would make a crunch-time lineup of Parker, Ginobili, Salmons, Duncan, and Camby. that is quite impressive.
now, i am not saying that we need to trade to beat the lakers, but i believe some sort of trade is welcome to even the balance in terms of depth.

[MANUUU]

We need a good Center though. someone to back up duncan. oberto aint doing shit, kurt thomas is okay, bonner, ehh.. we really shoulda got scola. if we had twin towers like with duncan-robinson, then we can handle the lakers. imagine having twin towers. duncan's already unstoppable. we really shoulda got camby (who's defensive minded) or posey (who i personally dont like, but he's a good role player and brings good luck to winning championships) haha

[Rogue]

I would like Obama to trade those immigrants back to their homelands, then there won't be too many people starting meaningless threads like this one.

Spurs are not perfect, but good enough to contend for the championship one season more, or even in the following seasons if only their core rosters keep healthy and competetive. I would be pretty content if our mavs had such a constant squad.

[Mal]

yeah, now we know that you can use this trade machine for fun

[jdiggy0424]

So for about 2 years running ive been waiting for the spurs to make a trade for a big man. Yesterday i suggested a trade for rasheed wallace. Although realistically we would probably only acquire him in the offseason.

So my question is: Will the spurs make a trade for a big man before the trade deadline? And if so who? (personally i think Marcus camby would be an excellent addition to help duncan).

[benefactor]

Ok...I am ready to vote for a 250 post count before any user can post a new thread. Anyone with me?

[benefactor]

Or we could just merge 'em... :)

[The_Worlds_finest]

To spurs front office members;
Before suggesting trade ideas to upper managemener please consider the following,
1. Each teams Cap Space and Players individual salary must be taken into consideration when proposing trade ideas, ie if Team A is putting a 1 million dollar player on the table team 2 must have equal amount on table. Of course there are situations where this rule does not need to be followed. One being if Team 1 is 19 million under the "salary cap" and team 2 wants to dump a contract by trading 20 million dollar player for 1 million dollar player, thus taking team ones salary cap to limiit while relieving salary cap of team 2.

2. Players with "bird years" must accept any trades involving said players with "bird years"

3. If you want to make fantasy trades or not aware of the considerations that must be made for a trade to actually work please start thread in troll folder. Thanks and have a nice day.

GO SPURS GO!!!

[StrangeCheez]

What are bird years?

[The_Worlds_finest]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

[DPG21920]

You mean "bird rights".

[Solid D]

What are bird years?

* Your common wrens, hummingbirds, or warblers live for only maybe 5 years. Each year of their life would be like 15 of ours.

Ducks, geese, hawks and eagles can live over 20 years in the wild, so they're somewhere in between. Their first two years might be like 7-8 human years. After that, each year for them might be like two for us.

*answers.yahoo.com
:smokin

[scanry]

What are bird years?

:lol:lol

[DPG21920]

* Your common wrens, hummingbirds, or warblers live for only maybe 5 years. Each year of their life would be like 15 of ours.

Ducks, geese, hawks and eagles can live over 20 years in the wild, so they're somewhere in between. Their first two years might be like 7-8 human years. After that, each year for them might be like two for us.

*answers.yahoo.com
:smokin

LMAO

[Biggems]

well dont parrots and macaws have the same lifespan as a human?

[duncan228]

How many rules are there named after players? Besides Bird, do any of them get commonly used?

'Arenas Rule'
'Allan Houston Rule'
'Trent Tucker Rule'

Is there an 'Alcindor Rule' in college?

[Solid D]

How many rules are there named after players? Besides Bird, do any of them get commonly used?

'Arenas Rule'
'Allan Houston Rule'
'Trent Tucker Rule'

Is there an 'Alcindor Rule' in college?


http://assets1.simonandschuster.com/images/books/9780671796662.jpg?1232608425

[duncan228]

:lol Thanks Solid D.

[Chris]

What's with all the fail threads recently?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What's with all the fail threads recently?

Took you a while to twig! :lol

This place has been full of garbage threads started by circle-jerkers and fantasy GMs who don't actually understand the real rules of trading in the NBA for about the last six weeks... meanwhile, the Spurs have won 17/22, beating quality opposition, and are gelling as a team, all of which has seemingly gone unnoticed by the wankers with their BS trades.

:rolleyes

[Solid D]

Basically...Fill in the blank for 6 months.

Bonner, Oberto and Vaughn for ___________________________.

[Ocotillo]

To spurs front office members;
Before suggesting trade ideas to upper managemener please consider the following,
1. Each teams Cap Space and Players individual salary must be taken into consideration when proposing trade ideas, ie if Team A is putting a 1 million dollar player on the table team 2 must have equal amount on table. Of course there are situations where this rule does not need to be followed. One being if Team 1 is 19 million under the "salary cap" and team 2 wants to dump a contract by trading 20 million dollar player for 1 million dollar player, thus taking team ones salary cap to limiit while relieving salary cap of team 2.

2. Players with "bird years" must accept any trades involving said players with "bird years"

3. If you want to make fantasy trades or not aware of the considerations that must be made for a trade to actually work please start thread in troll folder. Thanks and have a nice day.

GO SPURS GO!!!


Jeez, what fun is that?

[The_Worlds_finest]

Do you seriously think the Spurs front office even looks at spurstalk.com to get any trade ideas? If they did no one would take the Spurs seriously when they offered Bonner+Vaughn for LeBron James.

Come on you know Cavs wouldnt take that serious....not with out a 2nd pick anyways!

[wisnub]

You mean "bird rights".

hahaha :lol

[Tbam327]

[LIST]
15 Matt Bonner C 6-10 240


12 Bruce Bowen F 6-7 200 times up


21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260


4 Michael Finley F-G 6-7 225 ITS someone elses turn better options on bench


20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 205


1 Malik Hairston G 6-6 220


3 George Hill G 6-2 180


28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 lots potential but injury prone


8 Roger Mason G 6-5 212



7 Fabricio Oberto C-F 6-10 245


9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180


40 Kurt Thomas C-F 6-9 235 too old

5 Ime Udoka F-G 6-5 220 THERE ARE better options on bench

11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 THERE ARE better options on bench



RED = GOT TO GO Cut trade watever Have to go

ORANGE = Only IF IT MEANS A Getting a ALL AROUND PF WE NEED A "REBOUNDER"

[mfanatic]

Stay:
Duncan
Parker
Manu
Hill
Mason
Bowen
Thomas
Bonner

Go:
everyone else.

[crc21209]

My thoughts exactly. We should only have Udoka, Vaughn, Oberto, Mahinmi, Splitter rights, picks, cash, and the Horry situation available to trade.

[TheSpursFNRule]

My thoughts exactly. We should only have Udoka, Vaughn, Oberto, Mahinmi, Splitter rights, picks, cash, and the Horry situation available to trade.

Its the truth but is it enough?

[anakha]

[LIST]
15 Matt Bonner C 6-10 240


12 Bruce Bowen F 6-7 200 times up


21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260


4 Michael Finley F-G 6-7 225 ITS someone elses turn better options on bench


20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 205


1 Malik Hairston G 6-6 220


3 George Hill G 6-2 180


28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 lots potential but injury prone


8 Roger Mason G 6-5 212



7 Fabricio Oberto C-F 6-10 245


9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180


40 Kurt Thomas C-F 6-9 235 too old

5 Ime Udoka F-G 6-5 220 THERE ARE better options on bench

11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 THERE ARE better options on bench



RED = GOT TO GO Cut trade watever Have to go

ORANGE = Only IF IT MEANS A Getting a ALL AROUND PF WE NEED A "REBOUNDER"


Did you even realize that getting rid of all those people because you have 'better bench options' leaves you with no bench options? :lol

[Tbam327]

We need to stay young we got a good future in rookies. why get greedy just to win now. I like a consistent team. Duncan,Manu,Parker w/rookies and a good center we can win it all. Ian would have been perfect a good shot blocker rebounder...that's what we are missing second chance shots.

[Tbam327]

ANAKHA

LOL

Yeah im just listing who im willing to get rid of...DuHH

[Obstructed_View]

Getting rid of the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth tallest players on the team would be a brilliant move.

[anakha]

ANAKHA

LOL

Yeah im just listing who im willing to get rid of...DuHH

Way to miss the point. :rolleyes

[Tbam327]

I think we can all agree we need a big man who can rebound and take up some space move guys off the block. just cause your tall don't mean jack...look at malik when he was here he would mix it up down low. Bonner tries but by the time he comes off the three point line its to late and hes not strong enough to move anybody around that's why he gets blocked out. Thomas trys to intimidate but the younger guys around the league treat him like there old uncle. Fab well hes smart enough just not athletic enough to make his own shot down low if he had a post move we would be the team to beat!

[Tully365]

I still haven't heard a good explanation as to why Mahinmi is considered done for the year after minor ankle surgery, but Bynum will supposedly be ready come playoff season aftr a much more invasive knee surgery. Does anyone have info on this situation? I was very interested to see what Ian could do this year, but if he can't come back I could see packaging him for a similar big who could actually play this year.

[NewJerSpur]

I may be going to the Nets game later tonight against the Spurs, or rather the other way around for loyalty sake. I have a friend that just started working in the Nets' organization so I'll see if he can plant a seed in Thorn's ear about giving San Antonio Boone for Udoka....STRAIGHT UP. And if I can get past security I'll see if I can get close enough to Pop to scream the idea to him at the end of timeouts.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

[LIST]
15 Matt Bonner C 6-10 240


12 Bruce Bowen F 6-7 200 times up


21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260


4 Michael Finley F-G 6-7 225 ITS someone elses turn better options on bench


20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 205


1 Malik Hairston G 6-6 220


3 George Hill G 6-2 180


28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 lots potential but injury prone


8 Roger Mason G 6-5 212



7 Fabricio Oberto C-F 6-10 245


9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180


40 Kurt Thomas C-F 6-9 235 too old

5 Ime Udoka F-G 6-5 220 THERE ARE better options on bench

11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 THERE ARE better options on bench



RED = GOT TO GO Cut trade watever Have to go

ORANGE = Only IF IT MEANS A Getting a ALL AROUND PF WE NEED A "REBOUNDER"

I think you should go.There are better options for wind up thread starters.

[Tbam327]

BG that little rocker guy is imitating what you do when your alone "CS". Maybe one day you will snap in half and then you'll reach until then add something good or shut up.

[EricB]

Ah the new guy coming in telling everyone how to think.

So Kurt Thomas has been great lately, so he needs to go, genius.
Finley has been solid all year, needs to go.

Genius.

Absolute genius.

[bigdog]

BG that little rocker guy is imitating what you do when your alone "CS". Maybe one day you will snap in half and then you'll reach until then add something good or shut up.

No need for that here. It's amazing that something like that can cause you to make a post like that. That's horrible.

Anyways, Oberto, Udoka, Bowen(Yes, I said it), and Splitter's rights need to go.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

BG that little rocker guy is imitating what you do when your alone "CS". Maybe one day you will snap in half and then you'll reach until then add something good or shut up.

LOL since your smack talk is pretty bad itself and seemingly you don't watch much ball, I'll try to explain why you don't make sense.

First of all you say we need a big man who can rebound, defend and take space, then you say you want to get rid of Kurt Thomas... who do you think we can get then? Dwight Howard for Vaughn?

Then you say we need a good center and rookies on the bench to win it all. Name the last team who has won a championship with a bench of rookies or inexperienced players.

The Spurs have invested too much in Ian to let him go just because he's had an injury plagued year. After all he's played only 7 NBA games and is still 21. Also, even if the Spurs give up on him, his trade value is 0 right now.

Bruce Bowen stays no matter what, it's not even worth explaining why.

Vaughn is the best 3rd string PG you'll find right now, especially considering his mentorship. He's gonna be a coach someday and he's very valuable to the team right now. Next year he'll probably be an assistant somewhere, but he's valuable to the Spurs right now.

Pop doesn't make too many roster changes, nor he should. This is how you preserve a championship contender for 11 years in a row, rather than making constand overhauls like the Warriors for example. There is nothing logical from a basketball point of view that would suggest that Pop would certainly decide to change his methods in his 13th NBA season and jeopardize Duncan's last 3/4 seasons. We need to win right now, that's why we're being run in such a conservative manner. And that's how it's supposed to be.

[Chieflion]

The threadstarter should go.

[TheSpursFNRule]

The team needs help in the frontcourt it can't be stated enough. In a 7 game series vs. LA or The Celtics we could not win with this lineup. Us winning with Bonner at Center is fantasy basketball. Tim Duncan's final years have to be good ones, thats why either before the deadline or this summer a good big next to Duncan will be emerge.

[timtonymanu]

15 Matt Bonner C 6-10 240 I don't know about Bonner. I want to keep him, but I also want to trade him. He's our most valuable big man that we could trade for another big. MAYBE!!!

12 Bruce Bowen F 6-7 200 You're an idiot if you think he's too old. He may be 37 years old but he's still one of the best defenders in the game. He actually looks better offensively this year and he barely plays as much. STAY!!!!!!

21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Obviously stay!

4 Michael Finley F-G 6-7 225He's still good for us, but I wouldnt mind him leaving. I think we could get Salmons for him. GO!!!!

20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 205 Obviously stay!

1 Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 I say we develop him more. He's a good player. STAY!!!

3 George Hill G 6-2 180 If we give away Hill, we would lose our backup PG and revert back to Vaughn. OH NO!!! STAY!!!

28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 He's injured but we need to keep him. He's a big that needs to prove himself. STAY!!!

8 Roger Mason G 6-5 212 We found our new Horry and Barry replacement. STAY!!!

7 Fabricio Oberto C-F 6-10 245 He can go. We don't really use him anymore.

9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 Obviously stay!!!

40 Kurt Thomas C-F 6-9 235 KT provides our inside D. It'd be dumb to let him go. He's still got the midrange jumper too. STAY!!!

5 Ime Udoka F-G 6-5 220 Last summer I would have wanted him to stay. Not anymore. He's useless this year. GO!!!

11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 He can go too. But we need him to mentor Hill. I say we trade him. then let that team waive him and he signs up as a ac for the Spurs. GO!!!




So basically keep the Big 3, Hill, KT, Bruce, Money, Ian, Malik, and maybe Matt.

[wisnub]

Stay:
Duncan
Parker
Manu
Hill
Mason
Bowen
Thomas
Bonner

Go:
everyone else.

Amen...trade everyone else for a pick or at least sumthin

[TheDarkSide.]

How this thread is salvaged by the moderator and mine is deleted is beyond me. Pop is "going with what he's got" so get over it. Were a talented team.

[stéphane]

How this thread is salvaged by the moderator and mine is deleted is beyond me.

Guess why genius... :rolleyes
There's already more than enough useless trade thread around.
If each and every new user post a thread about his own thoughts the board is unreadable.

[WalterBenitez]

Stay:
Duncan
Parker
Manu
Hill
Mason
Bowen
Thomas
Bonner

Go:
everyone else.

+1

I have some doubts about KT, mainly because we need someone big, anyhow he made his shots and plays here and there, which is useful.

[Chris]

You guys are forgetting about Hairston!

[manufor3]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1996~2805~866~874~2987~2010~32 26&teams=28~28~28~28~24~24~24&te=&cash=28:24
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1726~2448~3187~981~883~1996~24 2~2805~846~866~874&teams=24~8~23~23~24~8~8~23~23~8~23&te=&cash=

:stirpot::stirpot::stirpot:

[Tully365]

Do you seriously think the Spurs front office even looks at spurstalk.com to get any trade ideas? If they did no one would take the Spurs seriously when they offered Bonner+Vaughn for LeBron James.

:lol Great point. What the signing of Mason and drafting of Hill this year have proven (once again) is that RC and Pop are better at this than every single member of spurstalk! Shocking!

[portnoy1]

No need for that here. It's amazing that something like that can cause you to make a post like that. That's horrible.

Anyways, Oberto, Udoka, Bowen(Yes, I said it), and Splitter's rights need to go.
I like what you did. This is a place of discussion, not insults. Alot of people seem to forget that.

[Duncan2177]

How this thread is salvaged by the moderator and mine is deleted is beyond me. Pop is "going with what he's got" so get over it. Were a talented team.

Pop is going with what he's got? Are you sure about that? If you think the spurs can beat the lakers and celtics in a seven game series your crazy, Even Pop stated that his team can't beat the lakers and celtics in a seven game series.

[cabass88]

thats the worst trade ive evwer seen! lol tony was top 3 in points in the pain a few years ago! when gregoden can top that letmeknow! and u have no idea hoqw hard it is to come uipon a point guard of tony parkers calibur!

[TheSpursFNRule]

If not why aren't they? The Knicks are willing to trade their bigger contracts to clear up room and David Lee's contract isn't nearly as big as some of the other rumors we have heard such as VC, Sheed, Brad Miller etc. Why the fuck can't this happen?

[Universe]

Because David Lee is actually wanted in NY, they just don't see him signing there in the summer. He is also younger and can actually improve his game.

[EricB]

If not why aren't they? The Knicks are willing to trade their bigger contracts to clear up room and David Lee's contract isn't nearly as big as some of the other rumors we have heard such as VC, Sheed, Brad Miller etc. Why the fuck can't this happen?

Something called "needing a trade chip that the Knicks want"

The Knicks aren't gonna give him up for peanuts.

[Cry Havoc]

Something called "needing a trade chip that the Knicks want"

The Knicks aren't gonna give him up for peanuts.

We could S&T Marbury. I hear he's popular in New York these days.

[exstatic]

Because David Lee is actually wanted in NY, they just don't see him signing there in the summer. He is also younger and can actually improve his game.

I'm not sure that's correct. What I have heard is that Lee is available, but if you want him, you MUST take Eddie Curry, and that contract IS toxic.

[EricB]

We could S&T Marbury. I hear he's popular in New York these days.

S&T a player that isn't a free agent?

I'm all ears.

[EricB]

I'm not sure that's correct. What I have heard is that Lee is available, but if you want him, you MUST take Eddie Curry, and him and that contract IS toxic.


FIFY

[Universe]

I'm not sure that's correct. What I have heard is that Lee is available, but if you want him, you MUST take Eddie Curry, and that contract IS toxic.
I've heard they've offered him contract extension but it turned it down. He expects somewhere in the 10 mil range, which I doubt he can get but you never know with random teams throwing away money.

The Curry thing is correct. I'm sure they'd give up anything to give up that walking McDonalds.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Eddie Curry won't ever play a game in the NBA again.