Al Jefferson is a beast

[IronMexican]

Dude just pulled one out for Minny.

[bdictjames]

With a bad ankle too.

[dirk4mvp]

MS product :king

[Spur-Addict]

Dude just pulled one out for Minny.

Who do you think is better?

Al Jeff or your boy Bynum

Now, no hypos or predictions.

[IronMexican]

He has some of the sickest post moved I've seen. How old is he?

[IronMexican]

Obviously Al. What kind of stupid question is that?

[dirk4mvp]

He has some of the sickest post moved I've seen. How old is he?


Turned 24 earlier this month.

[dirk4mvp]

Obviously Al. What kind of stupid question is that?


Allanon made a case for Bynum over Al saying Al didn't play any defense.

[ManuTP9]

Al is amazing

[ElNono]

What are you waiting for, Dallas? JHo, Kidd, Green and Bass for Jefferson + filler... Legit post guy next to Dirk, JET plays the 2 and Barea runs the show...

[IronMexican]

Well he's a Laker fan. All fans tend to exaggerate about a guy on their team.

[tlongII]

Big Al doesn't play much D. Good player though...

[j-money24]

the truth is AI>Bynum
but to laker fans its bynum>AI

[21_Blessings]

Jefferson doesn't play a lick of defense. He's been on a team with one of the worst records over the past 3 seasons. I'd take Bynum over him any day of the week considering he impacts the game on both ends.

YOu don't think Bynum would be stat stuffing on the Minny right now? Please. Actually Love/Jefferson is a pretty redundant front line and the worst defensively in all of basketball. Minny would be a much better defensive team with Bynum anchoring the middle.

[baseline bum]

YOu don't think Bynum would be stat stuffing on the Minny right now? P

No, I don't. Bynum has nothing on Jefferson's ability to score on the block.

[ElNono]

Jefferson doesn't play a lick of defense. He's been on a team with one of the worst records over the past 3 seasons. I'd take Bynum over him any day of the week considering he impacts the game on both ends.

YOu don't think Bynum would be stat stuffing on the Minny right now? Please. Actually Love/Jefferson is a pretty redundant front line and the worst defensively in all of basketball. Minny would be a much better defensive team with Bynum anchoring the middle.

I think Jefferson can be taught to play good D, considering he's young enough. Just like Bynum was taught in the past year or two. Then again, you need to do it now. Once he's used to slacking it's too late.

[mogrovejo]

Can't be. McHale is a sellout, who offered Garnett to his beloved Celtics for nothing. I mean, 3 of his current starters, including the best back-to-the-basket young player in the association, draft picks and the biggest expiring contract in the league? That's inadmissible, he should have traded Garnett for Odon and Brown, or whatever the Lakers offer was, or simply let him play one more year there, miss the play-offs and a good draft pick and let him walk away for nothing. Right?

Anyway, Big Al I know for a long time, he's the most enjoyable player to watch in the low post currently in the NBA. Coach Clifford Ray did an awesome job with the kid.

Now, are people noticing Love's rebounding? I think fans aren't really understanding how good the guy is rebounding the ball (among other things). Best rookie rebounder since Barkley (in fact, he's better numbers than Barkley). Awesome reading and awareness, the kid is a freak.

[The Franchise]

Jefferson doesn't play a lick of defense. He's been on a team with one of the worst records over the past 3 seasons. I'd take Bynum over him any day of the week considering he impacts the game on both ends.

YOu don't think Bynum would be stat stuffing on the Minny right now? Please. Actually Love/Jefferson is a pretty redundant front line and the worst defensively in all of basketball. Minny would be a much better defensive team with Bynum anchoring the middle.

Bynum would be shit on Minny because he wouldn't have Kareems tutelage. There would also be a lot more focus on him which means he would average about 4 points and 8 rebounds. No Kobe, Gasol,Odom, etc....

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What are you waiting for, Dallas? JHo, Kidd, Green and Bass for Jefferson + filler... Legit post guy next to Dirk, JET plays the 2 and Barea runs the show...

Yeah I'm sure Minny would do that trade just because they did it in NBA 2k9.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It would be interesting to see what Minny's record would be if they started Telfair and Foye in the back court all year. Since they've changed the lineup like that Foye has played like an all star and they've been hard to beat.

[ElNono]

Yeah I'm sure Minny would do that trade just because they did it in NBA 2k9.

Tell that to Boston...

[mogrovejo]

Tell that to Boston...

Yeah, Boston fleeced Sota, all they sent back was 2 role-players who're starting, draft picks, including a lottery one, a huge expiring and that kid Al Jeffers... wait.. what?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Tell that to Boston...

That response shows how retarded that trade is and the lack of thought put into it. When Minnesota traded KG, they got younger and brightened their future. Crappy teams don't trade their best young player for washed up players.

Just because Minnesota traded immediate talent for future talent and youth, why exactly would they trade future talent and youth for immediate talent?

[Allanon]

Defense guys. It's easy to overlook defense when a guy scores 39 points. Al's a great scorer, no doubt but his defense really sucks.

Joakim Noah, one of the most offensively challenged Centers in the NBA, averages 4 points on normal nights. But against Al last night, he scored 14 points on 70% shooting.

When Al actually goes up against a good scoring Center, they score like 25 points. Just check out his opponent PER, it's sky high whereas Bynum's opponent PER is probably the lowest of all Centers.

I'd take Bynum's 14 points and 2-3 blocks on Tim Duncan as a better achievement.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Joakim Noah, one of the most offensively challenged Centers in the NBA, averages 4 points on normal nights.

But against Al last night, he scored 14 points on 70% shooting.

DeAndre Jordan averages 3.4 points a night but against By-dumb he scored 23 on 92% shooting.

[Allanon]

DeAndre Jordan averages 3.4 points a night but against By-dumb he scored 23 on 92% shooting.

DeAndre Jordan scored most of those against Pau. Pau's like Al, a great scorer but not much for defense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bynum's D isn't great to begin with, but if he had the offensive responsibilities Al Jefferson it would be down right terrible.

Here's the question, Minnesota is 15-27, if they had Bynum instead of Big Al, what would their record be? I know you're gonna say they would be 42-0 Allanon, but an unbiased view would say it would be worse.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DeAndre Jordan scored most of those against Pau. Pau's like Al, a great scorer but not much for defense.

lol, suuuuuuuuuure, make up your argument as you go along. How exactly do you know Noah was scoring all those points on Al, how come Noah scoring those points on Love/Smith is out of the realm of possibilities?

[Allanon]

lol, suuuuuuuuuure, make up your argument as you go along. How exactly do you know Noah was scoring all those points on Al, how come Noah scoring those points on Love/Smith is out of the realm of possibilities?

I don't know whether or not Noah scored those points on Al, just looked at the boxscore.

I do know those points Jordan scored were mostly on Pau because I watched the game.

But I have watched other Al Jefferson games against better Centers and his defense really is bad.

Again, just look at the best defensive Centers and they have a low Opponent PER, then look at Al Jeff. Bynum can score 42 and he is also an Elite defensive Center.

[Allanon]

Bynum's D isn't great to begin with, but if he had the offensive responsibilities Al Jefferson it would be down right terrible.

Here's the question, Minnesota is 15-27, if they had Bynum instead of Big Al, what would their record be? I know you're gonna say they would be 42-0 Allanon, but an unbiased view would say it would be worse.

Worse than 15-27.

Bynum still is only 21...he doesn't know how to be The Man yet.

He needs at least a year on his own to carry a team. If you put Bynum as-is right now on a shitty team, he'll be scoring 25 points and playing better Defense than Al in 1 year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bynum still is only 21...he doesn't know how to be The Man yet.

This is vintage "change the argument in the middle of the argument" Allanon. The argument was about whether Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum was better, not who has a higher ceiling as a player.

RIGHT NOW, Jefferson is better than Bynum. Maybe that changes in a year, but whether it does or not has no baring on the argument.

[Allanon]

This is vintage "change the argument in the middle of the argument" Allanon. The argument was about whether Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum was better, not who has a higher ceiling as a player.

RIGHT NOW, Jefferson is better than Bynum. Maybe that changes in a year, but whether it does or not has no baring on the argument.

Sorry, didn't mean to change the argument Duncanowns, but it's still part of the same arugment.

I don't think Al's better than Bynum, they're just in different situations. Al is better at being The Man, Bynum has better skills and size.

Al Jefferson can't come in and do what Bynum does for the Lakers and Bynum can't do what Al does for the Wolves.

I think offensively, Al is better. But if you consider both offense and defense, I think Bynum is better.

But let's wait. Bynum plays Al on Friday, let's see who gets the better end of this battle. Wolves are an NBA best 9-2 in January so it should be a good match.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But if you consider both offense and defense, I think Bynum is better.

How many Jefferson games have you watched this year?

[Allanon]

How many Jefferson games have you watched this year?

ALOT actually...at least 30 games this year. I like Al Jefferson, he's a beast.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

ALOT actually...at least 30 games this year. I like Al Jefferson, he's a beast.

Then from an unbiased perspective you would agree Jefferson is a better overall player than Bynum. If Bynum had the scoring load jefferson did his D would suck.

[Allanon]

Then from an unbiased perspective you would agree Jefferson is a better overall player than Bynum. If Bynum had the scoring load jefferson did his D would suck.

I think Bynum is the better overall player than Al just because Bynum can play some excellent D. In their last head to head, Bynum forced Al into 33% shooting while Al let Bynum get nearly 60%.

I seriously watch Al's game to see if his D is improving and it just hasn't.

Al has a much more polished O game than Bynum, Bynum can look a bit out of control whereas Al is very smooth almost all the time.

If Al had even passable D, I'd give him the nod over Bynum.

But as I said, let's watch the two battle it out on Friday and we'll go with that. If Al can abuse Bynum, I'll admit Al's the better player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think Bynum is the better overall player than Al just because Bynum can play some excellent D. In their last head to head, Bynum forced Al into 33% shooting while Al let Bynum get nearly 60%.

I seriously watch Al's game to see if his D is improving and it just hasn't.

Al has a much more polished O game than Bynum, Bynum can look a bit out of control whereas Al is very smooth almost all the time.

If Al had even passable D, I'd give him the nod over Bynum.

But as I said, let's watch the two battle it out on Friday and we'll go with that. If Al can abuse Bynum, I'll admit Al's the better player.

Bynum of course shoots a better percentage against Big Al because he faces less attention from the defense. Gasol often draws the better defender, which makes Bynum so dangerous against the Spurs because for some reason Duncan isn't defending him very well and Kurt Thomas is occupied with Gasol.

[Allanon]

Bynum of course shoots a better percentage against Big Al because he faces less attention from the defense. Gasol often draws the better defender, which makes Bynum so dangerous against the Spurs because for some reason Duncan isn't defending him very well and Kurt Thomas is occupied with Gasol.

Nah, in the last game, it was Bynum versus Al is pretty much one on one, much like Duncan and Bynum guarded each other straight up yesterday.

Watch the game on Friday and we'll see who gets the better of who.

If Bynum gets punked by Al, I'll post back here with some glowing praise for Big Al.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nah, in the last game, it was Bynum versus Al is pretty much one on one, much like Duncan and Bynum guarded each other straight up yesterday.

But players only have so much energy. The nights Kobe has to drop 40+ his defense is lacking because of the energy he spends on offense. Bynum is told by the coaches to focus on defense, Al is told to do everything on offense and play defense with the remaining energy.

[Allanon]

But players only have so much energy. The nights Kobe has to drop 40+ his defense is lacking because of the energy he spends on offense. Bynum is told by the coaches to focus on defense, Al is told to do everything on offense and play defense with the remaining energy.

That is possible. But I have a feeling Bynum's gonna have a big night against Al and will match him scoring +/- a couple of points.

If they score comparatively, nobody is expending more than the other. Then it comes down to who scored those points more efficiently (FG%), who rebounds more, who gets more blocks, etc.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If they score comparatively, nobody is expending more than the other.

I disagree with that, Bynum gets tons of easy points, Jefferson has to work for basically anything he gets because the defense knows he's the player they can't lose track of.

[Allanon]

I disagree with that, Bynum gets tons of easy points, Jefferson has to work for basically anything he gets because the defense knows he's the player they can't lose track of.

But that's what I'm saying. "The Defense" is Andrew Bynum, that's it. The Lakers aren't doubling Jefferson so he just has to work on scoring against Bynum.

Sure, before, Bynum used to get help but nowadays, he's going man to man. If you watched the Spurs/Lakers game yesterday, Bynum guarded Duncan by himself..no help D like before. That's why the Spur shooters couldn't get open like they usually do.

[IronMexican]

Fuck. Why did I make this thread. It's the same thing in every thread, guys. it gets real repetitive.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fuck. Why did I make this thread. It's the same thing in every thread, guys. it gets real repetitive.

I try to avoid arguments about Bynum with Laker fans cause they often go nowhere, but Al Jefferson has been too good this year for someone to get away with calling Bynum better than him.

Btw, I know it doesn't mean much considering the way he's been playing lately, but whenever Minny plays the Suns, Big Al locks Amare's ass up.

[ElNono]

Yeah, Boston fleeced Sota, all they sent back was 2 role-players who're starting, draft picks, including a lottery one, a huge expiring and that kid Al Jeffers... wait.. what?

They didn't fleece them but Minnie basically sent over a franchise player for a 'potential' franchise player. IE: The one taking the risk of Jefferson panning out or not is Minnie, not Boston. Look where the wolves are at, and look where Boston is at, and tell me with a straight face that Minnie got as good a deal as Boston did. You can't. Jefferson is an excellent player. Franchise player? I don't think so, at least right now. And the picks are as good as the guy selecting talent. Kevin Love looks decent out there, but he won't be making many waves in Minnesota.

[Spur-Addict]

Fuck. Why did I make this thread. It's the same thing in every thread, guys. it gets real repetitive.

:lol

I'll take the blame for this one.

[mogrovejo]

They didn't fleece them but Minnie basically sent over a franchise player for a 'potential' franchise player. IE: The one taking the risk of Jefferson panning out or not is Minnie, not Boston. Look where the wolves are at, and look where Boston is at, and tell me with a straight face that Minnie got as good a deal as Boston did. You can't. Jefferson is an excellent player. Franchise player? I don't think so, at least right now. And the picks are as good as the guy selecting talent. Kevin Love looks decent out there, but he won't be making many waves in Minnesota.

Jefferson had a breakout year still in Boston. People weren't playing a lot of attention, and rightly so, but he was awesome in 06/07. Plus, Minny got 2 others of their current starters, 2 draft picks, including a lottery one (their own of this year), huge expiring. No risk with Jefferson, he was already a 20/10 machine and one of the most polished low post players in the game.

Of course Boston are in a better situation now, they were the ones trading future for present.

What do you think McHale should have done? Traded Garnett for Odom? Let him expire and delay the much needed rebuilding process? They needed to move on... not doing anything was killing that franchise.

I disagree about Love, I think he's going to be an excellent player. Not a "superstar", in terms of popularity and individual stat, but someone who's going to deliver lots of wins to his team. He reminds me a lot of Laimbeer, and not because he's white.

[Ghazi]

Jefferson will probably be a better player than Garnett in 2 or 3 years.

[mogrovejo]

Jefferson will probably be a better player than Garnett in 2 or 3 years.

That's hard to predict because the distance on the defensive side is hard to cover, but it's certainly a possibility. I'll always root for Big Al, he was a bright spot during some dark times and a great, very likeable kid.

[ElNono]

Jefferson had a breakout year still in Boston. People weren't playing a lot of attention, and rightly so, but he was awesome in 06/07. Plus, Minny got 2 others of their current starters, 2 draft picks, including a lottery one (their own of this year), huge expiring. No risk with Jefferson, he was already a 20/10 machine and one of the most polished low post players in the game.

Of course Boston are in a better situation now, they were the ones trading future for present.

What do you think McHale should have done? Traded Garnett for Odom? Let him expire and delay the much needed rebuilding process? They needed to move on... not doing anything was killing that franchise.

I disagree about Love, I think he's going to be an excellent player. Not a "superstar", in terms of popularity and individual stat, but someone who's going to deliver lots of wins to his team. He reminds me a lot of Laimbeer, and not because he's white.

I don't hate on big Al, because he is undeniably a great player, and low post scoring players with game are hard to come by. But think about this: If he was that good, Boston would have kept him instead of trading him for KG.
The reality is that Minnesota is the wrong place to be for both Al and Love. Throughout the KG stay there they made terrible personnel decisions (I mean, they luckied out when they got a motivated Sprewell and Casell, only to let them walk away, in their only chance to make some noise in the league). And the guy that made those decisions is still there, now as a coach. The day McHale goes away might be the day the Wolves get back on track.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If he was that good, Boston would have kept him instead of trading him for KG.

No one is saying he is better than KG. Pierce wants to win now, he wouldn't have been too happy if Boston didn't get KG when they were capable of doing so.

How much the trade helped Boston is unrelated to whether or not it helped Minnesota, which it did. KG would have left Minnesota as a free agent, they were able to trade him for someone who is already a better offensive player.

[mrspurs]

Al is bad no doubt.

[21_Blessings]

I try to avoid arguments about Bynum with Laker fans cause they often go nowhere, but Al Jefferson has been too good this year for someone to get away with calling Bynum better than him.

Because Bynum is an overall better player than Al Jefferson. Al is nothing more than a ONE-WAY player and will never be anything else. Yes he has nice post moves but he gets overpowered just as much. You're severely underrating Bynum's post game as well. He has some of the best center footwork in the league.

Considering Bynum is playing 3rd option right now and is still scoring 14 points a game in only 29 min is a testament of what he could do on a terrible team like Minny. Bynum would be dropping 18-21 easily if given the touches.

Defensively, it isn't even close. Bynum is by far and away the superior defender on every level. Bynum's bonafide championship caliber anchor. Jefferson? Is a complete liability on the defensive end at the 4 or 5. His defense sucks, simple as that.

[Allanon]

Opposing Center PER

Dwight Howard 14.6
Yao Ming 14.6
Andrew Bynum 14.8
Shaq 16.1
Tim Duncan 16.9
Emeka Okafur 20.3
Al Jefferson 20.4

[Xylus]

Because Bynum is an overall better player than Al Jefferson. Al is nothing more than a ONE-WAY player and will never be anything else. Yes he has nice post moves but he gets overpowered just as much. You're severely underrating Bynum's post game as well. He has some of the best center footwork in the league.

Considering Bynum is playing 3rd option right now and is still scoring 14 points a game in only 29 min is a testament of what he could do on a terrible team like Minny. Bynum would be dropping 18-21 easily if given the touches.

Defensively, it isn't even close. Bynum is by far and away the superior defender on every level. Bynum's bonafide championship caliber anchor. Jefferson? Is a complete liability on the defensive end at the 4 or 5. His defense sucks, simple as that.

:lmao

Reggie Miller agrees with you, Bynum is a superstar.

[ElNono]

How much the trade helped Boston is unrelated to whether or not it helped Minnesota, which it did. KG would have left Minnesota as a free agent, they were able to trade him for someone who is already a better offensive player.

How did it help Minnesota? They used to be able to make the playoffs with KG on board. They're nowhere near these last few seasons. And obviously neither big Al nor Love is going to take them over the top. The reality is that as soon as their contracts are up, they're going to end up in another team. As I said earlier, bigs with game are hard to come by, and I doubt very much any of them will want to stay in Minnesota if they can be contending for the title with Lakers/Boston/Miami/Hornets/Cavaliers,etc

[IronMexican]

The Al trade was a good one. Quit crying.

[21_Blessings]

:lmao

Reggie Miller agrees with you, Bynum is a superstar.


Still holding out hope for that playoff birth eh? :lol

[Xylus]

Still holding out hope for that playoff birth eh? :lol

I don't control what my team does, but I do make every effort not to look like a complete fucking douchebox. Try it sometime.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

with the tough loss aside, Andrew Bynum had another explosive game tonight 41 minutes 24 points 10-14 shooting 14 rebounds and 6 blocks!! he's picking up where he left off from last year, beasting!!

[21_Blessings]

but I do make every effort not to look like a complete fucking douchebox.

And you fail miserably. Just like the Phoenix Suns.

[Xylus]

Typical 21 Blessings. Using a person's team to represent that person.

There is no bigger douche on SpursTalk than you, which is pretty fucking impressive.

[Rapper]

Opposing Center PER

Dwight Howard 14.6
Yao Ming 14.6
Andrew Bynum 14.8
Shaq 16.1
Tim Duncan 16.9
Emeka Okafur 20.3
Al Jefferson 20.4

Duncan is not a Center he is just considered as a Center:toast

[mystargtr34]

Opposing Center PER

Dwight Howard 14.6
Yao Ming 14.6
Andrew Bynum 14.8
Shaq 16.1
Tim Duncan 16.9
Emeka Okafur 20.3
Al Jefferson 20.4

While i agree that Bynum is a good defender, those stats can be mis leading. Even though in majority of situations those guys will be defending the opposing Center, the team defense and moe so the Power Forward impact that guy defensively.

Bynum has another 7'0" shotblocker next to him while the other 5 guys on that list have, Rashard Lewis, Amare, Matt Bonner, Boris Diaw and Graig Smith next to them - hardly a prescence defensively.

If they beat their man or turn into the lane, whos waiting? That makes a bit of a difference.

[mogrovejo]

Opposing Center PER

Kendrick Perkins 13.7
Dwight Howard 14.6
Yao Ming 14.6
Andrew Bynum 14.8
Shaq 16.1
Tim Duncan 16.9
Emeka Okafur 20.3
Al Jefferson 20.4

Fixed.

[21_Blessings]

Al Jefferson is a beast*


















































*except when he has to play against Andrew Bynum or defense of any kind

[IronMexican]

Yeah, I am really impressed with Drew.

[td4mvp21]

Al Jefferson is a beast*


*except when he has to play against Andrew Bynum or defense of any kind

Uhhhhh then what was the 34 and 13 he put up tonight? Just curious.

[IronMexican]

The majority of that was with Drew out the game. Al played a whole extra quarter than Drew.

[td4mvp21]

The majority of that was with Drew out the game. Al played a whole extra quarter than Drew.

So then I guess the Lakers as a team don't play "defense of any kind"?

[IronMexican]

Pretty much. But Drew brought it tonight. And it's no secret they don't play much D.

[td4mvp21]

Pretty much. But Drew brought it tonight. And it's no secret they don't play much D.

:lol

But duh Bynum brought it. I just think it's stupid that Lakers fans have to criticize Jefferson to build Bynum up.

[21_Blessings]

Uhhhhh then what was the 34 and 13 he put up tonight? Just curious.

On 27 shots, where most of his points coming from garbage time in the 4th :lol

Jefferson was 5-15 when Bynum sat down in the 3rd.

Meanwhile Pau/Bynum scored 47 points on 26 shots with Jefferson giving up most of that

[Def Rowe]

Al Jefferson is a really good player, but he must have played 40+ minutes. The guy was in the game the whole time.

[21_Blessings]

:lol

But duh Bynum brought it. I just think it's stupid that Lakers fans have to criticize Jefferson to build Bynum up.

But Jefferson was terrible tonight. Try watching the game sometime instead of masturbating over a stat-padded box score

[IronMexican]

I didn't bring Al down. Just saying the majority of it came with Drew out. Both are playing great.

[IronMexican]

Al Jefferson is a really good player, but he must have played 40+ minutes. The guy was in the game the whole time.

42 minutes is what I read in another thread.

[td4mvp21]

But Jefferson was terrible tonight. Try watching the game sometime instead of masturbating over a stat-padded box score

:lol @ the most delusional fan on this board telling me to watch a game. Take your own advice :toast

[21_Blessings]

:lol @ the most delusional fan on this board telling me to watch a game. Take your own advice :toast

Good to see you admit that you didn't watch the game.

[td4mvp21]

Good to see you admit that you didn't watch the game.

I didn't watch the game. Sorry, I don't have Lakers league pass! I checked the score on nba.com 3 times and the game was close every time so I assumed the game was fairly close until the end. Still doesn't change the fact that Jefferson is a beast. But don't worry! Bynum is too. There can be other beasts in the West besides your boy.

[21_Blessings]

Hey, I agreed with Jefferson being a beast on offense.

He's just not very beastly when he has to go up against a superior player like Bynum or when he actually has to guard someone. Minnesota is going nowhere unless they can find a real center that can provide any interior defense whatsoever. Basically you have to hide Jefferson out there defensively - he really is that terrible.

[Allanon]

Bynum out-Beasted Jefferson tonight, plain and straight. 27 points and 15 rebounds. Even better, he scored it on only 15 shots, 67% shooting and in only 30 minutes of play.

Although Al ended up with 34 points, he scored almost all of them on anybody not named Bynum...he was something like 5 of 14 or something like that against Bynum.

[mystargtr34]

I think if the Lakers were to choose between the two, they would keep Bynum. He gives them more of what they need compared to Big Al. Defense, and the occassional scoring outburst and the ability to dominate mis matches offensively. They have their own Al Jefferson in Pau, with better passing and a better compliment to Bynum, although not as dominant offensively.

Right now though Al is still the better player. The thing he has going for him is that defense can be taught. He has pretty good size, length and decent athleticism. And even though Bynum is good offensively in his own right, the skill and touch Jefferson possesses, cant be taught. Hes so smooth and agile for a bulky guy, and has so many moves, there just isnt a way to guard him. The day he gets capable team mates round him who can create for him and get him easy opportunities, ala Kobe for Bynum or even Parker for Duncan, he could average 25-28 PPG on 50%+. Right now, 95% of his points come from banging down low and fighting through double and triple teams, with entire defenses geared to stop him. And he still puts up 23 PPG on 50% with no shooters to spread the floor for him.

For the Lakers Bynum>Jefferson.

But overall, right now Jefferson > Bynum.

[IronMexican]

myst, you never know. Drew is only 21, and has a good post game. Who is to say Bynum wont be as good as Al on O. Of course, this arguement goes either way, cause defense can be taught too. The only certain thing is that the future looks bright for both of these guys.

[mystargtr34]

myst, you never know. Drew is only 21, and has a good post game. Who is to say Bynum wont be as good as Al on O. Of course, this arguement goes either way, cause defense can be taught too. The only certain thing is that the future looks bright for both of these guys.

Bynum has natural ability that most dont have. To me, the difference between the two on offense is this. Bynum, as skilled as he is, is alot more manufactured than Jefferson. Hes been built from the ground up so to speak. He still posses agility and athleticism 99% of 7 footers dont possess, but it doesnt seem as natural for him. Like i said, thats not necessarily a knock on him, hes still skilled as hell.

Jefferson on the other hand, looks alot more natural and fluid. Like he was born with a pump fake and an up and under. Everything he does, it seems like he doesnt have to think about which move hes going to make. He just gets into his move and does what comes to him first. His still only 23 aswell, there isnt much between the two in terms of age. He still has alot to work on though, as does Bynum.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

I was expecting someone to say this but Here they are:

When Bynum left the floor towards the end of the fourth quarter, Al Jefferson had 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks(I believe) on 7-17 shooting. Bynum had somewhere around 22 points to go along with 13 rebounds and 1 or 2 blocks at this time. So Bynum was winning when he had left the court towards the end of the third quarter as you can tell.

After Jefferson got done abusing Pau, he had 30 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 4 blocks on 5-8 shooting.

Once Bynum came back in he held Jefferson to 4 points, which came at the very end of the game and no rebounds in 3 or 4 minutes. Bynum on the other hand scored a couple baskets, had a couple rebounds, and changed a few shots. He also would have had another block if it wasn't for Pau fouling Jefferson.

So, the final numbers for both bigs were:

Andrew Bynum: 27 points, 15 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 2 blocks, 0 steals, 2 turnovers, 7-8 FT, and 10-15 FG

Al Jefferson: 34 points, 13 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 8-11 FT, and 13-27 FG

Here are the most surprising numbers. Al Jefferson played 42:16, but Bynum played only 30:28.

Just look at those two numbers right there. There's almost a 12 minute difference there, and in my opinion, Bynum's numbers are better. Plus, Jefferson got blocked four times while Bynum got blocked only once.

When Bynum was guarding Jefferson, things were very difficult for him. When Bynum was on the floor, everything was coming to him so easily. And after looking at the numbers, I'm gonna say that Bynum nearly dominated Al Jefferson. Is it really that much of a stretch to say that right now, Bynum is playing like a best man in the league.

[TDMVPDPOY]

both of these players have a refined game, they can score anyway they want on you...there are not l imited to dunks only...aka d12

[mystargtr34]

Dwight is still head and shoulders better than both.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

hahah Bynum had just outplayed Duncan, Okafor, and Al Jefferson. He can basically score at will against them.

The beast in Bynum is back, you can tell that his opponents are scared of him. They know that he can flat out swat their shots out and dunk on them with power. He's got that physical presence that we haven't had since Shaq left.

[mystargtr34]

I was expecting someone to say this but Here they are:

When Bynum left the floor towards the end of the fourth quarter, Al Jefferson had 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks(I believe) on 7-17 shooting. Bynum had somewhere around 22 points to go along with 13 rebounds and 1 or 2 blocks at this time. So Bynum was winning when he had left the court towards the end of the third quarter as you can tell.

After Jefferson got done abusing Pau, he had 30 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 4 blocks on 5-8 shooting.

Once Bynum came back in he held Jefferson to 4 points, which came at the very end of the game and no rebounds in 3 or 4 minutes. Bynum on the other hand scored a couple baskets, had a couple rebounds, and changed a few shots. He also would have had another block if it wasn't for Pau fouling Jefferson.

So, the final numbers for both bigs were:

Andrew Bynum: 27 points, 15 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 2 blocks, 0 steals, 2 turnovers, 7-8 FT, and 10-15 FG

Al Jefferson: 34 points, 13 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 8-11 FT, and 13-27 FG

Here are the most surprising numbers. Al Jefferson played 42:16, but Bynum played only 30:28.

Just look at those two numbers right there. There's almost a 12 minute difference there, and in my opinion, Bynum's numbers are better. Plus, Jefferson got blocked four times while Bynum got blocked only once.

When Bynum was guarding Jefferson, things were very difficult for him. When Bynum was on the floor, everything was coming to him so easily. And after looking at the numbers, I'm gonna say that Bynum nearly dominated Al Jefferson. Is it really that much of a stretch to say that right now, Bynum is playing like a best man in the league.

Whats that got to do with anything. Getting blocked isnt necessarily a bad thing. Like i said, Bynum was dominant, but let me ask you a question.

What do you think the numbers would look like if they switched places and The Lakers defense and Jefferson were geared to focus in on Bynum alone. And how do you think Jefferson would go if teams had 1) Kobe to worry about and 2) Pau on the other block creating and 3) All of the Lakers 3 point shooting. Im not attacking you, just interested to see what you think if that were the situation?

[21_Blessings]

What do you think the numbers would look like if they switched places and The Lakers defense and Jefferson were geared to focus in on Bynum alone. And how do you think Jefferson would go if teams had 1) Kobe to worry about and 2) Pau on the other block creating and 3) All of the Lakers 3 point shooting. Im not attacking you, just interested to see what you think if that were the situation?

First of all Bynum saw a few double teams last night. Second, Bynum has a good post game and has been scoring on the likes of Tim Duncan and Okafor. Build a team around Bynum that can shoot the 3, problem solved. Bynum is a decent passer from the post.

[diego]

I was expecting someone to say this but Here they are:

When Bynum left the floor towards the end of the fourth quarter, Al Jefferson had 18 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks(I believe) on 7-17 shooting. Bynum had somewhere around 22 points to go along with 13 rebounds and 1 or 2 blocks at this time. So Bynum was winning when he had left the court towards the end of the third quarter as you can tell.

After Jefferson got done abusing Pau, he had 30 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 4 blocks on 5-8 shooting.

Once Bynum came back in he held Jefferson to 4 points, which came at the very end of the game and no rebounds in 3 or 4 minutes. Bynum on the other hand scored a couple baskets, had a couple rebounds, and changed a few shots. He also would have had another block if it wasn't for Pau fouling Jefferson.

So, the final numbers for both bigs were:

Andrew Bynum: 27 points, 15 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 2 blocks, 0 steals, 2 turnovers, 7-8 FT, and 10-15 FG

Al Jefferson: 34 points, 13 rebounds(7 offensive), 1 assist, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 8-11 FT, and 13-27 FG

Here are the most surprising numbers. Al Jefferson played 42:16, but Bynum played only 30:28.

Just look at those two numbers right there. There's almost a 12 minute difference there, and in my opinion, Bynum's numbers are better. Plus, Jefferson got blocked four times while Bynum got blocked only once.

When Bynum was guarding Jefferson, things were very difficult for him. When Bynum was on the floor, everything was coming to him so easily. And after looking at the numbers, I'm gonna say that Bynum nearly dominated Al Jefferson. Is it really that much of a stretch to say that right now, Bynum is playing like a best man in the league.

so basically, you agree that before surgery manu was better than kobe. i mean he had comparable, more efficient stats in 10 minutes less so he must be.

dont give me those arguments about manu having more help, less responsibility, and better efficiency because of reduced minutes. if it's true for bynum its true for manu

[21_Blessings]

so basically, you agree that before surgery manu was better than kobe.

So basically you're as dumb as a brick.


if it's true for bynum its true for manu

No it isn't.

[diego]

stick to making predictions genius

[Spur-Addict]

17 pts and 9 rbs and there is still 9 mins left in the 2nd quarter against the Rockets.

[IronMexican]

Is Yao ming playing? Lol, Yao ming could possible be getting owned.

[Spur-Addict]

Is Yao ming playing? Lol, Yao ming could possible be getting owned.

Ming is playing. Ming was badly outplayed in the first half. But, he is making a resurgence in the second half. Rockets dug in and came back and are now up 13.

[Rogue]

Jefferson > Yaold Mingay

[sook]

Jefferson > Yaold Mingay

Al Jefferson is such a damn beast....like i think he will peak to become etter than Dwight.


Its a shame David West is in the AS and he isnt!

[Indazone]

GUWIulqhtW4

Didn't watch the game but I found this video of Yao matched up with Jefferson. This dude is incredible. Reminds me of Hakeem.

[Allanon]

I am not really sure how this is a great game by Al. He let Yao get 30 points on 67% shooting. His rebounding was great though, nice to see that from Al.

I watched this game and even the 17 points they lost by wasn't even that close.

Al's obviously a great offensive player but his defense still needs quite a bit of work. Yao got pretty much what he wanted when the Rockets actually looked for him.

[RedsLakers24]

he reminds me of amare, great at offense but sucks at defense

[21_Blessings]

Mandrew Bynum bending over Jefferson per usual.

:lmao @ at all the dumbshit Spur fans, itt

[Killakobe81]

LOL at some of these posts and what happened to showtime and alanon?

Al jeff will be better than dwight duncan and Bynum ...classic stuff.

[ElNono]

Guess nobody been claiming Al is a beast since 2009... :lol

[21_Blessings]

Jefferson will probably be a better player than Garnett in 2 or 3 years.

:rolleyes

Mchale fucking robbed the Wolves just so Boston wouldn't get left in the dust by the Lakers.

Some funny shit.

[Killakobe81]

:rolleyes

Mchale fucking robbed the Wolves just so Boston wouldn't get left in the dust by the Lakers.

Some funny shit.


Funny thing is, I think Cwebb and EJ were starting to tease him about that on NBATV but Mchale laughed it off and changed the subject. At least they made the Love Mayo swap ...but does not offset KG for AlJeff.

In fact, Allen for Green and Kg for Al jeff are two of the worst trades in recent NBA history ...

Celts make two finals one trophy while Green and Al jeff are good but not great players ...

[LnGrrrR]

Funny thing is, I think Cwebb and EJ were starting to tease him about that on NBATV but Mchale laughed it off and changed the subject. At least they made the Love Mayo swap ...but does not offset KG for AlJeff.

In fact, Allen for Green and Kg for Al jeff are two of the worst trades in recent NBA history ...

Celts make two finals one trophy while Green and Al jeff are good but not great players ...

*cough conveniently leaving out Gasol trade cough cough*

[Venti Quattro]

*cough conveniently leaving out Gasol trade cough cough*

lol McHale with a backdoor play for Ainge. Celtic pride!!! :lmao

[Greg Oden]

I am not really sure how this is a great game by Al. He let Yao get 30 points on 67% shooting. His rebounding was great though, nice to see that from Al.

I watched this game and even the 17 points they lost by wasn't even that close.

Al's obviously a great offensive player but his defense still needs quite a bit of work. Yao got pretty much what he wanted when the Rockets actually looked for him.

remember when Allanon used to post here before getting completely regulated by mavs>spurs.

[Killakobe81]

*cough conveniently leaving out Gasol trade cough cough*

Gasol move ...was not a trade ... it was collusion and highway robbery ...we both know that ... LOL.

But riddle me this. Out of these players in order who would you want right now? (not future wise)

1. KG
2. Ray allen
3. Marc Gasol
4. Al jeff
5. Jeff green

I take those guys in the above order ... so yes the Gasol for Gasol/Kwame was a great trade for the Lakers, but I'd rather have Gasol than either of those two humps ...


Of course i knew Marc had talent but never expected this. Alanon I must gibe him his props.

Pour out a little liquor for our fallen brother ...:depressed

[LnGrrrR]

I definitely think the KG trade worked out in our favor. And I wouldn't be surprised if McHale only made the trade because it was the Celtics.

That said, at least he got a decent young big and some draft picks back. It wasn't an absolute fleecing.

And I'd say that Marc Gasol is about equal to Big Al. But I haven't gotten a chance to see Marc Gasol play much (or even Big Al for that matter) this year.

[Killakobe81]

I definitely think the KG trade worked out in our favor. And I wouldn't be surprised if McHale only made the trade because it was the Celtics.

That said, at least he got a decent young big and some draft picks back. It wasn't an absolute fleecing.

And I'd say that Marc Gasol is about equal to Big Al. But I haven't gotten a chance to see Marc Gasol play much (or even Big Al for that matter) this year.

AL jeff has more talent but also not a big fan of young bigs with bad knees. That is why as much as I like Bynum's potential, I would trade him for Dwight in a heartbeat ...