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01-25-2009, 11:30 PM
Lakers strike newfound fear in West


LOS ANGELES – Pau Gasol’s shot caromed off the rim, and, suddenly, Andrew Bynum was pushing past Tim Duncan, snatching the ball out of the air and forcibly flushing it back for an emphatic dunk, a show of aggression that brought a smile to the face of every member of the Los Angeles Lakers.

“When he plays that way,” Lakers guard Derek Fisher said, referring to Bynum’s third-quarter slam, “it makes us almost impossible to beat.”

The San Antonio Spurs have reason to wonder the same, as does the rest of the Western Conference. The Lakers took the court Sunday afternoon with a healthy roster for the first time in a month, with their young franchise center playing better than he has all season, and, well, isn’t this exactly what everyone feared?

The Lakers beat the Spurs 99-85, dismissing their closest challenger in the West so thoroughly that San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich didn’t even bother to summon either Duncan or Tony Parker from the bench in the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant and Bynum also spent the game’s final 12 minutes relaxing on the sideline, the former having gone for 22 points, the latter totaling 15 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks in an efficient 24 minutes of work.

Afterward, Popovich stood outside the Spurs’ locker room, preparing to field questions when Gasol cut through the scrum of reporters and photographers on his way to an interview.

“The guy is going to kick our ass,” Popovich deadpanned, “and then come in the middle of my news conference?”

If their latest outing was any indication, the Lakers figure to turn the West race into their own joke. Bynum has now strung together three impressive performances, putting up 42 points and 15 boards against the Los Angeles Clippers, and 23 and 14 against the Washington Wizards in his previous two games. Taking advantage of DeAndre Jordan is one thing; holding his own against Duncan is another. Bynum made the future Hall of Famer work for his points, even throwing back one of his shots, and when Bynum sealed him off late in the third quarter to intercept a deflected pass, Duncan grabbed the Lakers center in frustration for his fourth foul. Duncan went to the bench, where he stayed for the rest of game.

“He’s got a big body and defensively I thought he was effective,” Duncan said, “but I don’t know that he was much better than he ever was before.”

That’s not entirely true. By this time a year ago, Bynum was already on the Lakers’ inactive list, shelved because of an injury to his left knee that would ultimately cost him the remainder of the season. The Lakers compensated for Bynum’s absence by plucking Gasol off the Memphis Grizzlies’ roster, a giveaway deal that prompted Popovich to jokingly implore the NBA to form a “trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense.”

Memphis’ decision to send Gasol to the Lakers rankled more than a few other West general managers. When the trade was mention on Sunday’s TV broadcast, ABC analyst and former Houston Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy used it as an opportunity to call the Grizzlies the worst organization in professional sports. Van Gundy sees what Popovich and his peers saw a year ago: As good as Gasol made the Lakers last season, wouldn’t they be that more dominant once he lined up next to Bynum?

The rest of the league only hoped that somehow Gasol and Bynum wouldn’t find a way to work together. After all, hadn’t it taken Duncan and David Robinson more than a full season to learn how to play off each other?

Lakers fans wondered, too, if Bynum would ever tap into his potential. In a recent three-game stretch against the Rockets, Spurs and Orlando Magic, he totaled seven rebounds. Asked after the Rockets game about Bynum’s sporadic rebounding, Lakers coach Phil Jackson cracked on his young center.

“Well,” Jackson said, “he got one.”

Jackson hasn’t hesitated to tweak Bynum publicly, and even he admits his center has handled the occasional public criticism well. For all of Bynum’s growing pains, he doesn’t make many excuses.

“Andrew’s an enigmatic person,” Jackson said. “He doesn’t show a lot of emption. But he does get to work.”

The Lakers think that Bynum has finally begun to get his legs back under him, which has improved his confidence. He’s also seeing the game better. When the Spurs double-teamed him on the opening possession of the second, he found Bryant for an open 3-pointer.

“That’s just the next stage of development,” Bryant said.

Added Bynum: “I still think I can play better.”

He can, and that should give the rest of the league pause. But what makes these Lakers so dominant isn’t what Bynum or Gasol or even Bryant do individually. It’s their collective strength. Jordan Farmar missed a month with a knee injury then scored 14 points in his first game back on Sunday. Trevor Ariza added 17 more off the bench. As the Spurs learned, the Lakers come at you in waves. They aren’t as battle-tested as the three-peat Lakers of Fisher, Robert Horry and Rick Fox were, but they do have something else.

“I don’t know if we were versatile as we are now,” Fisher said. “We can play a lot of different lineups, a lot of different guys in a lot of different spots. … It makes us a difficult team to try and figure out how to slow down on a consistent basis.”

That’s why neither Fisher nor Jackson nor Bryant saw the team’s one-point loss in San Antonio 11 days earlier as much reason to worry. Then, the Lakers were missing three of their rotation players.

Now? With his roster back at full strength, Jackson was asked if he had any specific concerns heading into the season’s second half.

“I really don’t,” he said.

The Spurs can’t say the same. If Bynum continues to play big, if he and his teammates stay healthy and hungry, then the entire Western Conference has reason to wonder. Aren’t these Lakers what everyone feared?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ar7upoWg9wRzOrCVK4Ykx2yezIx4?slug=jy-spurslakers012509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&print=1

peskypesky
01-26-2009, 12:00 AM
What did the Grizzlies get for Gasol again? I forgot.

IronMexican
01-26-2009, 12:05 AM
JVG as Grizz HC.

DesignatedT
01-26-2009, 12:06 AM
kwame brown some draft pick and another scrub

Bender
01-26-2009, 12:08 AM
so how did the Lakers get bynum?

DPG21920
01-26-2009, 12:09 AM
They drafted Bynum

IronMexican
01-26-2009, 12:11 AM
so how did the Lakers get bynum?

Drafted him in 2005 when every Laker fan was asking for Gerald Green.

ss1986v2
01-26-2009, 12:12 AM
What did the Grizzlies get for Gasol again? I forgot.
marc gasol, crittenton (who they just traded to get their protected 1st rounder back from the wiz), 2 1st round picks, and expiring contracts.

IronMexican
01-26-2009, 12:14 AM
And the Ariza trade was a way bigger steal than the Pau one.

ElNono
01-26-2009, 12:21 AM
I don't think fear is the right word. I might be delusional, but I think if we improve our defense to prior years and our offense is a bit more reliable, we can beat any team, including the Lakers, any night.

Bender
01-26-2009, 12:23 AM
They drafted Bynum
was it luck on a low pick...? the Lakers haven't had any high picks in a long time have they?

DPG21920
01-26-2009, 12:26 AM
They missed the playoffs in 2005 and had a losing record. I think they had the 10th pick in the draft IIRC.

Ghazi
01-26-2009, 12:29 AM
The Lakers are simply the best in the west. 63-15 since the Gasol trade if I'm not mistaken.

Thompson
01-26-2009, 12:41 AM
The Lakers are simply the blessed in the west. 63-15 since the Gasol gift if I'm not mistaken.

FIFY.

wildbill2u
01-26-2009, 01:11 AM
They got him in 10th draft spot I think. I don't remember how they got that high a draft choice.

SenorSpur
01-26-2009, 01:15 AM
Meanwhile the Spurs 2005 1st round pick has yet to make his season debut.

IronMexican
01-26-2009, 01:19 AM
They got him in 10th draft spot I think. I don't remember how they got that high a draft choice.

Kobe got injured and the team was shit after that. They were battling with Minnesota for the #8 spot before Kobe went down.

Ghazi
01-26-2009, 01:19 AM
That Ariza trade in hindsight ended up being a steal too. Who did the Lakers give up, brian cook and a few other spares?

IronMexican
01-26-2009, 01:25 AM
Cook and Evans.

Austin_Toros
01-26-2009, 01:35 AM
this guy is young and he's already a beast.
he's gonna keep kicking the spurs' butt in the future

SenorSpur
01-26-2009, 01:40 AM
this guy is young and he's already a beast.
he's gonna keep kicking the spurs' butt in the future

Therein lies the problem. The Spurs are devoid of their own young beast in the paint.

mikekim
01-26-2009, 04:35 AM
Easily one of my top 3 favorite sportswriters right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhFShRgbEolnTdiB24t5Ky%20c5nYcB?slug=jy-spurslakers012509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LOS ANGELES – Pau Gasol’s shot caromed off the rim, and, suddenly, Andrew Bynum was pushing past Tim Duncan, snatching the ball out of the air and forcibly flushing it back for an emphatic dunk, a show of aggression in the third quarter that brought a smile to the face of every member of the Los Angeles Lakers.

“When he plays that way,” Lakers guard Derek Fisher said, “it makes us almost impossible to beat.”

The San Antonio Spurs have reason to wonder the same, as does the rest of the Western Conference. The Lakers took the court Sunday afternoon with a healthy roster for the first time in a month, with their young franchise center playing better than he has all season, and, well, isn’t this exactly what everyone feared?

The Lakers beat the Spurs 99-85, dismissing their closest challenger in the West so thoroughly that San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich didn’t even bother to summon either Duncan or Tony Parker from the bench in the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant and Bynum also spent the game’s final 12 minutes relaxing on the sideline, the former having gone for 22 points, the latter totaling 15 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks in an efficient 24 minutes of work.

Afterward, Popovich stood outside the Spurs’ locker room, preparing to field questions when Gasol cut through the scrum of reporters and photographers on his way to an interview.

“The guy is going to kick our ass,” Popovich deadpanned, “and then come in the middle of my news conference?”

If their latest outing was any indication, the Lakers figure to turn the West race into their own joke. Bynum has now strung together three impressive performances, putting up 42 points and 15 boards against the Los Angeles Clippers, and 23 and 14 against the Washington Wizards in his previous two games. Taking advantage of DeAndre Jordan is one thing; holding his own against Duncan is another. Bynum made the future Hall of Famer work for his points, even throwing back one of his shots, and when Bynum sealed him off late in the third quarter to intercept a deflected pass, Duncan grabbed the Lakers center in frustration for his fourth foul. Duncan went to the bench, where he stayed for the rest of game.

“He’s got a big body and defensively I thought he was effective,” Duncan said, “but I don’t know that he was much better than he ever was before.”

That’s not entirely true. By this time a year ago, Bynum was already on the Lakers’ inactive list, shelved because of an injury to his left knee that would ultimately cost him the remainder of the season. The Lakers compensated for Bynum’s absence by plucking Gasol off the Memphis Grizzlies’ roster, a giveaway deal that prompted Popovich to jokingly implore the NBA to form a “trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense.”

Memphis’ decision to send Gasol to the Lakers rankled more than a few other West general managers. When the trade was mentioned on Sunday’s TV broadcast, ABC analyst and former Houston Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy used it as an opportunity to call the Grizzlies the worst organization in professional sports. Van Gundy sees what Popovich and his peers saw a year ago: As good as Gasol made the Lakers last season, wouldn’t they be that more dominant once he lined up next to Bynum?

The rest of the league only hoped that somehow Gasol and Bynum wouldn’t find a way to work together. After all, hadn’t it taken Duncan and David Robinson more than a full season to learn how to play off each other?

Lakers fans wondered, too, if Bynum would ever tap into his potential. In a recent three-game stretch against the Rockets, Spurs and Orlando Magic, he totaled seven rebounds. Asked after the Rockets game about Bynum’s sporadic rebounding, Lakers coach Phil Jackson cracked on his young center.

“Well,” Jackson said, “he got one.”

Jackson hasn’t hesitated to tweak Bynum publicly, and even he admits his center has handled the occasional public criticism well. For all of Bynum’s growing pains, he doesn’t make many excuses.

“Andrew’s an enigmatic person,” Jackson said. “He doesn’t show a lot of emption. But he does get to work.”

The Lakers think that Bynum has finally begun to get his legs back under him, which has improved his confidence. He’s also seeing the game better. When the Spurs double-teamed him on the opening possession of the second, he found Bryant for an open 3-pointer.

“That’s just the next stage of development,” Bryant said.

Added Bynum: “I still think I can play better.”

He can, and that should give the rest of the league pause. But what makes these Lakers so dominant isn’t what Bynum or Gasol or even Bryant do individually. It’s their collective strength. Jordan Farmar missed a month with a knee injury then scored 14 points in his first game back on Sunday. Trevor Ariza added 17 more off the bench. As the Spurs learned, the Lakers come at you in waves. They aren’t as battle-tested as the three-peat Lakers of Fisher, Robert Horry and Rick Fox were, but they do have something else.

“I don’t know if we were versatile as we are now,” Fisher said. “We can play a lot of different lineups, a lot of different guys in a lot of different spots. … It makes us a difficult team to try and figure out how to slow down on a consistent basis.”

That’s why neither Fisher nor Jackson nor Bryant saw the team’s one-point loss in San Antonio 11 days earlier as much reason to worry. Then, the Lakers were missing three of their rotation players.

Now? With his roster back at full strength, Jackson was asked if he had any specific concerns heading into the season’s second half.

“I really don’t,” he said.

The Spurs can’t say the same. If Bynum continues to play big, if he and his teammates stay healthy and hungry, then the entire Western Conference has reason to wonder. Aren’t these Lakers what everyone feared?

benefactor
01-26-2009, 08:45 AM
Bonner and KT are a two headed monster that I'm VERY confident in next to Tim. Once Ian is back, everything will be hunky dorey. Everyone needs to stop with the trade/sign for a big man nonsense if you ask me .. not with Ian coming back no later than next season.
Hmm....

1Parker1
01-26-2009, 08:53 AM
Lakers are clearly looking like they are not going to have much challenge in the West. If it stays as is, the only team I can see matching up against them a little better is perhaps the Rockets, if they're healthy.

However, that doesn't mean the Lakers can win the championship. Right now, their biggest obstacle remains in the East. I think both Cleveland and Boston are better than them.

ElNono
01-26-2009, 09:14 AM
Lakers are clearly looking like they are not going to have much challenge in the West. If it stays as is, the only team I can see matching up against them a little better is perhaps the Rockets, if they're healthy.

However, that doesn't mean the Lakers can win the championship. Right now, their biggest obstacle remains in the East. I think both Cleveland and Boston are better than them.

I can see something like the Lakers playing Utah in the first round, and getting worn out enough, that if they play either the Spurs or the Hornets in the second round they might run out of gas. Playing the Jazz in Utah is a slugfest to say the least. Even more so in the playoffs. I thought they had a relatively simple run to the WCF last year. But you never know how matchup are going to work out round to round. And obviously this applies not only to the Lakers, but every other team. The caveat is that the Lakers are probably going to be able to rest some of their players before the playoff run if they can lock in the best record in the league early enough.

NRHector
01-26-2009, 10:20 AM
What did the Grizzlies get for Gasol again? I forgot.Grizzlies is like one more team of the D-league for the Lakers,they'll make another trade before deadline

DrHouse
01-26-2009, 11:01 AM
Part of being a good GM is taking advantage of other idiot GM's. The Lakers have historically built their teams this way it seems.

Sure beats the hell out of praying for lotto balls.

NRHector
01-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Part of being a good GM is taking advantage of other idiot GM's. The Lakers have historically built their teams this way it seems.

Sure beats the hell out of praying for lotto balls.so you are saying the gm from grizzlies is an idiot?

DrHouse
01-26-2009, 12:17 PM
so you are saying the gm from grizzlies is an idiot?

It's hard to say if the Gasol trade was a complete bust for them. They did get a great young center in Marc Gasol who probably fits their team better than Pau did.

lefty
01-26-2009, 12:19 PM
Jerry West was behind that collusion trade.

turiaf for president
01-26-2009, 12:23 PM
It's hard to say if the Gasol trade was a complete bust for them. They did get a great young center in Marc Gasol who probably fits their team better than Pau did.

and 3 1st round picks along with cap space. marco gasol is going to be a 2nd team all rookie for sure, maybe even 1st if they list him as a 4. j critt was traded for a 1st round pick so memphis didnt to too bad. they just need a owner who will use that cap space.

NRHector
01-26-2009, 12:23 PM
[QUOTE=DrHouse;3056602]It's hard to say if the Gasol trade was a complete bust for them. They did get a great young center in Marc Gasol who probably fits their team better than Pau did.[/QUOTEthen is players not GM because you won't agree that Jerry West is an idiot, right?

21_Blessings
01-26-2009, 12:41 PM
I think both Cleveland and Boston are better than them.

Two teams the Lakers already beat handily this season.

mytespurs
01-26-2009, 01:58 PM
Lakers strike newfound fear in West


LOS ANGELES – Pau Gasol’s shot caromed off the rim, and, suddenly, Andrew Bynum was pushing past Tim Duncan, snatching the ball out of the air and forcibly flushing it back for an emphatic dunk, a show of aggression that brought a smile to the face of every member of the Los Angeles Lakers.

“When he plays that way,” Lakers guard Derek Fisher said, referring to Bynum’s third-quarter slam, “it makes us almost impossible to beat.”

The San Antonio Spurs have reason to wonder the same, as does the rest of the Western Conference. The Lakers took the court Sunday afternoon with a healthy roster for the first time in a month, with their young franchise center playing better than he has all season, and, well, isn’t this exactly what everyone feared?

The Lakers beat the Spurs 99-85, dismissing their closest challenger in the West so thoroughly that San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich didn’t even bother to summon either Duncan or Tony Parker from the bench in the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant and Bynum also spent the game’s final 12 minutes relaxing on the sideline, the former having gone for 22 points, the latter totaling 15 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks in an efficient 24 minutes of work.

Afterward, Popovich stood outside the Spurs’ locker room, preparing to field questions when Gasol cut through the scrum of reporters and photographers on his way to an interview.

“The guy is going to kick our ass,” Popovich deadpanned, “and then come in the middle of my news conference?”

If their latest outing was any indication, the Lakers figure to turn the West race into their own joke. Bynum has now strung together three impressive performances, putting up 42 points and 15 boards against the Los Angeles Clippers, and 23 and 14 against the Washington Wizards in his previous two games. Taking advantage of DeAndre Jordan is one thing; holding his own against Duncan is another. Bynum made the future Hall of Famer work for his points, even throwing back one of his shots, and when Bynum sealed him off late in the third quarter to intercept a deflected pass, Duncan grabbed the Lakers center in frustration for his fourth foul. Duncan went to the bench, where he stayed for the rest of game.

“He’s got a big body and defensively I thought he was effective,” Duncan said, “but I don’t know that he was much better than he ever was before.”

That’s not entirely true. By this time a year ago, Bynum was already on the Lakers’ inactive list, shelved because of an injury to his left knee that would ultimately cost him the remainder of the season. The Lakers compensated for Bynum’s absence by plucking Gasol off the Memphis Grizzlies’ roster, a giveaway deal that prompted Popovich to jokingly implore the NBA to form a “trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense.”

Memphis’ decision to send Gasol to the Lakers rankled more than a few other West general managers. When the trade was mention on Sunday’s TV broadcast, ABC analyst and former Houston Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy used it as an opportunity to call the Grizzlies the worst organization in professional sports. Van Gundy sees what Popovich and his peers saw a year ago: As good as Gasol made the Lakers last season, wouldn’t they be that more dominant once he lined up next to Bynum?

The rest of the league only hoped that somehow Gasol and Bynum wouldn’t find a way to work together. After all, hadn’t it taken Duncan and David Robinson more than a full season to learn how to play off each other?

Lakers fans wondered, too, if Bynum would ever tap into his potential. In a recent three-game stretch against the Rockets, Spurs and Orlando Magic, he totaled seven rebounds. Asked after the Rockets game about Bynum’s sporadic rebounding, Lakers coach Phil Jackson cracked on his young center.

“Well,” Jackson said, “he got one.”

Jackson hasn’t hesitated to tweak Bynum publicly, and even he admits his center has handled the occasional public criticism well. For all of Bynum’s growing pains, he doesn’t make many excuses.

“Andrew’s an enigmatic person,” Jackson said. “He doesn’t show a lot of emption. But he does get to work.”

The Lakers think that Bynum has finally begun to get his legs back under him, which has improved his confidence. He’s also seeing the game better. When the Spurs double-teamed him on the opening possession of the second, he found Bryant for an open 3-pointer.

“That’s just the next stage of development,” Bryant said.

Added Bynum: “I still think I can play better.”

He can, and that should give the rest of the league pause. But what makes these Lakers so dominant isn’t what Bynum or Gasol or even Bryant do individually. It’s their collective strength. Jordan Farmar missed a month with a knee injury then scored 14 points in his first game back on Sunday. Trevor Ariza added 17 more off the bench. As the Spurs learned, the Lakers come at you in waves. They aren’t as battle-tested as the three-peat Lakers of Fisher, Robert Horry and Rick Fox were, but they do have something else.

“I don’t know if we were versatile as we are now,” Fisher said. “We can play a lot of different lineups, a lot of different guys in a lot of different spots. … It makes us a difficult team to try and figure out how to slow down on a consistent basis.”

That’s why neither Fisher nor Jackson nor Bryant saw the team’s one-point loss in San Antonio 11 days earlier as much reason to worry. Then, the Lakers were missing three of their rotation players.

Now? With his roster back at full strength, Jackson was asked if he had any specific concerns heading into the season’s second half.

“I really don’t,” he said.

The Spurs can’t say the same. If Bynum continues to play big, if he and his teammates stay healthy and hungry, then the entire Western Conference has reason to wonder. Aren’t these Lakers what everyone feared?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ar7upoWg9wRzOrCVK4Ykx2yezIx4?slug=jy-spurslakers012509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&print=1

I could be sarcastic and exclaim Wow, telling us something many of us didn't see months ago. After all,the Lakers have been leading all western conference foes for about 7-8 games for over a month now.

He does make good points-the Lakers are young, deep and appear to have no challengers at least in the West at this point or for the forseeable future & they appear almost a lock to reach the finals......and possibly win it all.

But as we've seen in some cases in the sports world this year, being the top dog doesn't always net you the prize. :hat