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nkdlunch
01-26-2009, 11:52 PM
unbeleivable stuff especially being his first week in office! just tonight he made many friends but also made many enemies. Especially Al-quaeda, not to mention the Mossad and FSB.

dude's got some balls.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18016_Page2.html

Obama: U.S. not your enemy

President Barack Obama presented a humble and conciliatory face of America to the Islamic world Monday in the first formal interview since he assumed office, stressing his own Muslim ties and hopes for a Palestinian state, and avoiding a belligerent tone — even when asked if America could "live with" an Iranian nuclear weapon.

The interview with the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya Network was a dramatic piece of public diplomacy aimed at capitalizing on the new American president's international popularity, though it balanced America's traditional commitment to Israel, whose security Obama called "paramount.'

"I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries," Obama said, according to a White House transcript. "My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy."

The Al Arabiya interview, directed squarely at Muslims around the world, revived a vision of personal, symbolic international change that was in the air when Obama - with his far-flung family members, and complicated story - launched his campaign. It was a vision, and an aspect of his story, that the candidate buried when, in 2007, was forced to combat whispering campaigns about his own faith.

But by giving his first interview to the Arabic network, Obama signaled his continuing belief in his personal power as a symbol of America against the temptations of Islamic militancy. He even dismissed "bankrupt" ideas and policies that don't improve children's health care, jabbing at "nervous" Al Qaeda leaders in language that echoed his campaign against George W. Bush.

The occasion for this interview was the departure of Obama's special envoy, George Mitchell, to the Middle East, and a more aggressive and optimistic approach to that conflict than some argued that the circumstances dictated. The president offered no timeline for peace, but a firm view that a Palestinian state remains within reach.

"What I told him is start by listening, because all too often the United States starts by dictating — in the past on some of these issues — and we don't always know all the factors that are involved," Obama said. "What we want to do is to listen, set aside some of the preconceptions that have existed and have built up over the last several years. And I think if we do that, then there's a possibility at least of achieving some breakthroughs."

Obama's interview was marked by attempts to sympathize with the concerns of ordinary Muslims, particularly on the question of living conditions in the West Bank. But he sought a conciliatory tone throughout the interview, at one point avoiding even restating American policy, and his own platform, than an Iranian nuclear weapon is plainly unacceptable.

"Will the United States ever live with a nuclear Iran? And if not, how far are you going in the direction of preventing it?" asked the interviewer, Al Arabiya Washington Bureau Chief Hisham Melhem.

Obama responded only generally, expressing disapproval of an Iranian bomb but not the flat condemnation that is standard from American officials.

"You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran," he said. "Now, the Iranian people are a great people, and Persian civilization is a great civilization. Iran has acted in ways that's not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region: their threats against Israel; their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which could potentially set off an arms race in the region that would make everybody less safe; their support of terrorist organizations in the past -- none of these things have been helpful."

During the campaign and transition periods, Obama's condemnations of an Iranian nuclear weapon were more direct: "[T]heir development of nuclear weapons would be unacceptable," Obama said on Meet the Press on December 7.

A senior Obama aide said Monday night that Obama had not changed his views on Iran.

Obama also signaled a move away from President Bush's confrontational, generalizing language. Melhem noted to Obama that "President Bush framed the war on terror conceptually in a way that was very broad, 'war on terror,' and used sometimes certain terminology that the many people -- Islamic fascism. You've always framed it in a different way, specifically against one group called al Qaeda and their collaborators."

"I think that you're making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters," Obama replied. "[W]hat we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations -- whether Muslim or any other faith in the past -- that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name.

"And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda -- that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it -- and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop," he said. "We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down."

Obama's shift Monday was one of tone, not of policy, and he also affirmed America's support for Israel.

"Israel is a strong ally of the United States. They will not stop being a strong ally of the United States. And I will continue to believe that Israel's security is paramount," he said. "But I also believe that there are Israelis who recognize that it is important to achieve peace. They will be willing to make sacrifices if the time is appropriate and if there is serious partnership on the other side."

Obama's interview plan was made public only Monday afternoon, and the interview, which concluded just after 6:00 p.m., was distributed to reporters in the evening and embargoed for release at 11:00 p.m.

Asked why Al Arabiya had been granted the president's first interview, and aide said: "We want to communicate directly to the entire world America's new foreign policy."

BlackSwordsMan
01-27-2009, 01:07 AM
bullshit we're not

TDMVPDPOY
01-27-2009, 01:46 AM
his only doing what the white man is ordering him to do

fkn puppet

I Love Me Some Me
01-27-2009, 09:48 AM
Americans are NOT your enemy
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5988/jedizd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bill Ayers
01-27-2009, 10:23 AM
Dear American people: Obama is not your enemy.

micca
01-27-2009, 11:08 AM
Jimmy Carter couldn't have said it better

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 11:45 AM
So what are you guys saying?

Do you actually consider all Muslims the enemy?

ratm1221
01-27-2009, 11:51 AM
So what are you guys saying?

Do you actually consider all Muslims the enemy?

No, they are saying that if Obama said breathing was a good thing, conservatives would start holding their breath.

SnakeBoy
01-27-2009, 12:02 PM
Jimmy Carter couldn't have said it better

He really couldn't say it better. Obama is a good speaker. I can't wait for his version of Carters infamous malaise speech.

Carter's speech sucked...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.html

Winehole23
01-27-2009, 12:47 PM
Carter's speech sucked...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.htmlYeah. His emphasis on energy, overconsumption and the way our technical base ties us to the fate of unfree, unstable oil producers was way off base.

micca
01-27-2009, 12:59 PM
Yeah. His emphasis on energy, overconsumption and the way our technical base ties us to the fate of unfree, unstable oil producers was way off base.

micca
01-27-2009, 01:01 PM
Not to mention, fostering the rise of islamo facisim.

George Gervin's Afro
01-27-2009, 01:12 PM
Are we at war with muslims? Or are we friendly to those who are friendly to us? Are we allies with Iraq? Kind of hard to muddle through the conservative logic on this one.

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 02:06 PM
Still waiting for these guys to explain themselves.

I Love Me Some Me
01-27-2009, 02:59 PM
Still waiting for these guys to explain themselves.

Keep waiting....maybe you're just not that important.

micca
01-27-2009, 03:09 PM
Are we at war with muslims? Or are we friendly to those who are friendly to us? Are we allies with Iraq? Kind of hard to muddle through the conservative logic on this one.

micca
01-27-2009, 03:11 PM
No, it doesn't appear we are at war with Islam,but it does appear that islam is at war with the everybody who isn't muslim.

MaNuMaNiAc
01-27-2009, 03:46 PM
Keep waiting....maybe you're just not that important.

Maybe you're just not that bright. His question is legitimate. Do you or don't you consider evert muslim your enemy?

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 03:47 PM
No, it doesn't appear we are at war with Islam,but it does appear that islam is at war with the everybody who isn't muslim.All of Islam?

ratm1221
01-27-2009, 03:49 PM
All of Islam?

:lol

Winehole23
01-27-2009, 03:50 PM
No, it doesn't appear we are at war with Islam,but it does appear that islam is at war with the everybody who isn't muslim.This argument is a brief for war against Islam and leads straight to such a war, if the premise be granted.

Are you trying to say that Islam, as a world religion, is our enemy? Muslim states? Individual muslims, wherever they happen to be?

Please clarify, micca, and if possible, link support for your view.

ClingingMars
01-27-2009, 04:03 PM
Dear American people: Obama is not your enemy.

:lmao

micca
01-27-2009, 04:23 PM
60 percent of the voting population voted, largest turnout since 1960.

Obama's margin of victory has been the largest since 1988, and the total domination of the democratic party in congress also suggests that he has a mandate.

Obama has an approval rating in the mid 70s right now.


This argument is a brief for war against Islam and leads straight to such a war, if the premise be granted.

Are you trying to say that Islam, as a world religion, is our enemy? Muslim states? Individual muslims, wherever they happen to be?

Please clarify, micca, and if possible, link support for your view.

micca
01-27-2009, 04:40 PM
This argument is a brief for war against Islam and leads straight to such a war, if the premise be granted.

Are you trying to say that Islam, as a world religion, is our enemy? Muslim states? Individual muslims, wherever they happen to be?

Please clarify, micca, and if possible, link support for your view.

Now..now girls let's not get our politically correct panties in a bunch, believe me I've no desire to go to re-education camp for the counter revolutionaries.first of all it's not a brief for war. I can allow a fool to use his own violence to destroy himself I don't have to get in the way of the train I can just let it hit the brick wall all on it's own, kinnda like what happen to the soviets. I don't have the answer to some of those questions .because I don't think Muslims do either.Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't, The question is will the people of the islamic world pull islam into the world community or will they be cowered by the traditional terror of fundementalisim.Right now I'd say it ain't looking good.

ratm1221
01-27-2009, 04:44 PM
Now..now girls let's not get our politically correct panties in a bunch, believe me I've no desire to go to re-education camp for the counter revolutionaries.first of all it's not a brief for war. I can allow a fool to use his own violence to destroy himself I don't have to get in the way of the train I can just let it hit the brick wall all on it's own, kinnda like what happen to the soviets. I don't have the answer to some of those questions .because I don't think Muslims do either.Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't, The question is will the people of the islamic world pull islam into the world community or will they be cowered by the traditional terror of fundementalisim.Right now I'd say it ain't looking good.

Can someone please translate this?

MaNuMaNiAc
01-27-2009, 04:44 PM
Now..now girls let's not get our politically correct panties in a bunch, believe me I've no desire to go to re-education camp for the counter revolutionaries.first of all it's not a brief for war. I can allow a fool to use his own violence to destroy himself I don't have to get in the way of the train I can just let it hit the brick wall all on it's own, kinnda like what happen to the soviets. I don't have the answer to some of those questions .because I don't think Muslims do either.Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't, The question is will the people of the islamic world pull islam into the world community or will they be cowered by the traditional terror of fundementalisim.Right now I'd say it ain't looking good.

in other words, you refuse to answer the fucking question :lmao

do you, or do you not believe all of Islam is America's enemy??

balli
01-27-2009, 04:52 PM
Now..now girls let's not get our politically correct panties in a bunch, believe me I've no desire to go to re-education camp for the counter revolutionaries.first of all it's not a brief for war. I can allow a fool to use his own violence to destroy himself I don't have to get in the way of the train I can just let it hit the brick wall all on it's own, kinnda like what happen to the soviets. I don't have the answer to some of those questions .because I don't think Muslims do either.Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't, The question is will the people of the islamic world pull islam into the world community or will they be cowered by the traditional terror of fundementalisim.Right now I'd say it ain't looking good.


Palin'esque in it's incoherency... not quite as bad.

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 05:52 PM
When asked a simple question, board Republicans flail to fail.

johnsmith
01-27-2009, 05:53 PM
When asked a simple question, board Republicans flail to fail.

I'm a board repub. I'll answer the question...................no.

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm a board repub. I'll answer the question...................no.See how easy that was?

Take note.

johnsmith
01-27-2009, 05:56 PM
See how easy that was?

Take note.

I've always been reasonable.

ChumpDumper
01-27-2009, 05:59 PM
I know. It's funny how some here actively refuse to qualify their sweeping generalizations even that slightly.

RobinsontoDuncan
01-27-2009, 06:06 PM
I can't figure out what is more amusing--the fact that everyone is just begining to recognize that conservatives don't answer questions or evidence with anything other than anecdotes, or the fact that people are finally starting to call them (conservatives) out on it.

Winehole23
01-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Now..now girls let's not get our politically correct panties in a bunch, believe me I've no desire to go to re-education camp for the counter revolutionaries.first of all it's not a brief for war. I can allow a fool to use his own violence to destroy himself I don't have to get in the way of the train I can just let it hit the brick wall all on it's own, kinnda like what happen to the soviets. I don't have the answer to some of those questions .because I don't think Muslims do either.You said Islam was at war with us. What did you mean? The foregoing is not an answer.


Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't, The question is will the people of the islamic world pull islam into the world community or will they be cowered by the traditional terror of fundementalisim.Right now I'd say it ain't looking good.Iraq was modern and secular seven years ago. Good thing we fixed that.

BTW, the rest of the Islamic world, however "primitive" it may still be, borders and is surrounded by the modern one. And the "terror" of fundamentalism you call traditional is of fairly recent vintage. It accompanies and resists modernization and is a sign of the progress of western values. Fundamentalism at bottom is our contemporary and not an anachronism.

I Love Me Some Me
01-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Maybe you're just not that bright. His question is legitimate. Do you or don't you consider evert muslim your enemy?
The posts he questions were made in response to the President telling Muslims that we are not their enemy. If that is the statement, why would he ask if anyone thought Muslim's were OUR enemy? That wasn't even part of the discussion until he introduced it as a way for those posting to explain themselves.

Obama tells Muslim's we are not their enemy...a legitimate question would be "Do you think Muslim's consider American's their enemy?" Not the other way around.

Winehole23
01-27-2009, 09:01 PM
Obama tells Muslim's we are not their enemy...a legitimate question would be "Do you think Muslim's consider American's their enemy?" Not the other way around.Why not? Isn't it another way for Obama to say "I'm not George Bush"?

ChumpDumper
01-28-2009, 12:52 AM
A train would go right through a brick wall with hardly a scratch.

Blake
01-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Most of the Islamic world is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering into a world that isn't...

I'd say this post is bodering on medival, struggeling agianst entering a forum that isn't.........for the most part.........I think.....

RandomGuy
01-28-2009, 12:29 PM
No, they are saying that if Obama said breathing was a good thing, conservatives would start holding their breath.

:lol

Spending money on internet infrastructure is great when McCain proposes it during the campaign, but porkbarrel when Obama proposes it...

:rolleyes

Rogue
01-28-2009, 09:42 PM
we have never considered any other country as enemy, but there are always some governments that treat us as their foes. Our belief for liberty is just like kind of poison to the governments based on dictatorship and autocracy. Our type of liberty is welcome by people of every nation, but just unacceptable to some governments which consider liberty as something that threats their tyrant domination over their citizens.

americans are enemy only to those odious things.

Winehole23
01-28-2009, 11:27 PM
americans are enemy only to those odious things.Win.

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ClingingMars
01-28-2009, 11:30 PM
we have never considered any other country as enemy, but there are always some governments that treat us as their foes. Our belief for liberty is just like kind of poison to the governments based on dictatorship and autocracy. Our type of liberty is welcome by people of every nation, but just unacceptable to some governments which consider liberty as something that threats their tyrant domination over their citizens.

americans are enemy only to those odious things.

even though it's still in kind of broken English, this is by far your best post ever.

:tu

Rogue
01-29-2009, 12:14 AM
even though it's still in kind of broken English, this is by far your best post ever.

:tu
thanks for wasting your 4000th post on me.:lol

SnakeBoy
01-29-2009, 03:00 AM
Our type of liberty is welcome by people of every nation

and if it's not we will bomb them until they realize just how good we are.

George Gervin's Afro
01-29-2009, 11:28 AM
and if it's not we will bomb them until they realize just how good we are.

Yes! Collateral damage be damned! let's just bomb all muslims and arabs because after all we will 'kill them with kindness!'

ClingingMars
01-29-2009, 11:32 AM
thanks for wasting your 4000th post on me.:lol

damn, I wouldn't even have noticed either :toast