On the good, the bad, and the ugly

[spectator]

Assuming that Ginobili's game fluctuates until the end of the year and settles
down to taking jump shots (similarly to Roger Mason) until the end of his contract ...

the good (long-term): Ginobili cannot demand more money than he is making right now, with a possibility of him being offered less, the Spurs could sign a forth all-star caliber player, while having Mason and Ginobili a very good combo at the 2.

the bad (long-term): unlikely to see Manu being the deciding factor in games to come; if consistency is indeed the issue as aforementioned, then the Spurs need to find other players to step up when playing the best teams in the league (ie: good game for Ginobili, Spurs win vs. Lakers; poor game leads to Spurs loss)

the ugly (short-term): prohibiting any trades until the end of the season, the Spurs do not have what it takes to win another championship

Remember, this is presented under the hypothesis that Ginobili is not consistent in his level of play.

Your thoughts?

[South Side Spurs Fan]

I actually see a situation where Parker asks for big $ in the future and the Spurs let him go in favor of Hill and salary cap room.

I think Ginobili will take less before Parker will.

[SequSpur]

Spurs need a big. Tim needs a big. Period. anything less than this, the spurs get swept in the west finals.

[SequSpur]

I actually see a situation where Parker asks for big $ in the future and the Spurs let him go in favor of Hill and salary cap room.

I think Ginobili will take less before Parker will.

Parker is a frickin Allstar.

They aren't even in the same category.

[SequSpur]

Time warner commercials don't win games... :pctoss

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Spurs need a big. Tim needs a big. Period. anything less than this, the spurs get swept in the west finals.

Spurs need your boy to D up

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Parker is a frickin Allstar.

They aren't even in the same category.

they dont have to be. If Hill can man the point, Parker better not demand too much or Tim WILL get that help down low.

I'm not sure which is better...Tony and tim or hill tim and boozer(for example)

[SequSpur]

Tony Parker is one of the best point guards in the nba and is on his way to being a hall of fame player.

And you're talking about Hill???? :lmao

I am going to bed. :lol

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Tony Parker is one of the best point guards in the nba and is on his way to being a hall of fame player.

And you're talking about Hill???? :lmao

I am going to bed. :lol

Your missing the point.

Hill can get 10-15 a night, and a boozer would add another 20 with 15 boards. That would be more than enough to make up for tony's 22 a night...

I'm just saying Parker better keep his salary demands reasonable...

[SequSpur]

Your missing the point.

Hill can get 10-15 a night, and a boozer would add another 20 with 15 boards. That would be more than enough to make up for tony's 22 a night...

I'm just saying Parker better keep his salary demands reasonable...

parker is a max player. he can move on if he wants to... duncan will be old by the time this happens...why would he stay anyway? duncan can't play forever, he can't dunk as it is now.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

parker is a max player. he can move on if he wants to... duncan will be old by the time this happens...why would he stay anyway? duncan can't play forever, he can't dunk as it is now.

I dont understand "max player." he'll make 10 million next year, his final year under k.

If he asks for much of a raise, Hill might be better for the spurs just nased on a cost benefit analysis.

for the record I hope he asks for a reasonable contract and i hope they give it to him. But I'd take Boozer to play with/replace tim anyday.

[SequSpur]

parker will get a max type contract next time... men's warehouse guarantees it.

[Blackjack]

parker is a max player. he can move on if he wants to... duncan will be old by the time this happens...why would he stay anyway? duncan can't play forever, he can't dunk as it is now.

Paul Milsap begs to differ.:lol

[South Side Spurs Fan]

By the way, Boozer makes 11 million next year.

[SequSpur]

Paul Milsap begs to differ.:lol

oh did duncan get a dunk tonight? oh my bad... :)

[SequSpur]

By the way, Boozer makes 11 million next year.

dude, utah is not going to do a deal with the spurs for boozer.. come on man...

[jag]

I actually see a situation where Parker asks for big $ in the future and the Spurs let him go in favor of Hill and salary cap room.

I think Ginobili will take less before Parker will.

Naw...this is just what you'd like to see happen.

You're worthless.

[duncan228]

oh did duncan get a dunk tonight? oh my bad... :)

2 actually, and they were done with authority. :)

[South Side Spurs Fan]

dude, utah is not going to do a deal with the spurs for boozer.. come on man...

Not a trade, but Boozer has the option of opting out after this season, he'll be a free agent.

I wouldn't let Parker go/trade him, but I wouldn't pay him more than 12 mill either, and I have a feeling he's going to ask for much more.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Naw...this is just what you'd like to see happen.

You're worthless.

Read the rest of my entries before you go shooting off your mouth, especially the one right above this one. Parker's future contract demands scare me, that's all i'm sayin'.

[Kori Ellis]

Not a trade, but Boozer has the option of opting out after this season, he'll be a free agent.

I wouldn't let Parker go/trade him, but I wouldn't pay him more than 12 mill either, and I have a feeling he's going to ask for much more.

Parker will probably get a close to max contract from the Spurs when his contract is up.

As far as Boozer goes - I don't know why people say they want a shot-blocking, defensive forward and then come up with Boozer :wtf

[jag]

Read the rest of my entries before you go shooting off your mouth, especially the one right above this one. Parker's future contract demands scare me, that's all i'm sayin'.

Your worthlessness as a poster was apparent way before this thread was even created.

The fact that you think that Tony isn't worth Max $ and that Hill is ready to take the team over is an absolute joke.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Parker will probably get a close to max contract from the Spurs when his contract is up.

As far as Boozer goes - I don't know why people say they want a shot-blocking, defensive forward and then come up with Boozer :wtf

I like the rebounding scoring part.

But in reality, if Parker asks for too much, I think a solid big man might be more valuable IF Hill is coming along.

That being said, if Tiago/Ian/Javtokas/Somebody/Anybody finally show up, Parker would then be worth the money, and I would pay him.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Your worthlessness as a poster was apparent way before this thread was even created.

The fact that you think that Tony isn't worth Max $ and that Hill is ready to take the team over is an absolute joke.

Fact is he's worth max money. And Hill isn't ready to take over the team. And you read worse than a fuggin' sixth grader. So STFU.

[jag]

I wouldn't pay him more than 12 mill




You're worthless.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Not unless Hill becomes ready and we get a new big to groom for timmy by that point.

Dude, your too slow to follow more than one thing at a time or what?

[jag]

Not unless Hill becomes ready and we get a new big to groom for timmy by that point.

Dude, your too slow to follow more than one thing at a time or what?

Your incessant hating on Tony is getting old...and the fact that you're trying to be sly about it now is just annoying.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Your incessant hating on Tony is getting old...and the fact that you're trying to be sly about it now is just annoying.

Fuck off trick. I've grown completely tired of your simple intellect and your prejudging ways. You fly in every time your boy's name gets mentioned and you fly off the handle without reading the thread. Eat a dick.:wow

[jag]

Fuck off trick. I've grown completely tired of your simple intellect and your prejudging ways. You fly in every time your boy's name gets mentioned and you fly off the handle without reading the thread. Eat a dick.:wow

I guess i could go through your actually posts and quote you, but that's all too "simple." I guess it's all about what you "meant" (in the context of things) that really matters.

There's a "disturbing trend" with Tony choking in big games and being a detriment to the Spurs.

You win, sweetheart.

[roycrikside]

Parker is a frickin Allstar.

They aren't even in the same category.


Why is it when Manu is having an incredible season, like last year, where he clearly outlplayed Tony, the CoM just wants Tony to get better, but when Tony is having a better season than Manu, the Tony fans want Manu traded?

They've had this ebb and flow for like six years now. Sometimes Manu is the 2nd best player, sometimes Tony is. You'd think people would get used to it. Manu had a stretch of 1/3 of the season last year where he was far and away the best player on the team, but people weren't calling for Timmy to be traded.

Good grief.

[Manu-of-steel]

Why is it when Manu is having an incredible season, like last year, where he clearly outlplayed Tony, the CoM just wants Tony to get better, but when Tony is having a better season than Manu, the Tony fans want Manu traded?

They've had this ebb and flow for like six years now. Sometimes Manu is the 2nd best player, sometimes Tony is. You'd think people would get used to it. Manu had a stretch of 1/3 of the season last year where he was far and away the best player on the team, but people weren't calling for Timmy to be traded.

Good grief.

this is really sickening. i'm a spurs fan, and manu fan as well. but i hate to see someone bash tony or any other spurs player. this is a team, without each member, spurs won't be as successful.

[Manufan909]

Why is it when Manu is having an incredible season, like last year, where he clearly outlplayed Tony, the CoM just wants Tony to get better, but when Tony is having a better season than Manu, the Tony fans want Manu traded?

They've had this ebb and flow for like six years now. Sometimes Manu is the 2nd best player, sometimes Tony is. You'd think people would get used to it. Manu had a stretch of 1/3 of the season last year where he was far and away the best player on the team, but people weren't calling for Timmy to be traded.

Good grief.

Timmy is never the 2nd best Spur... ever.:nope

But I do agree on COT and COM fans going at it and tearing each other down. I personally belong to the COPBM, so I'm good with both.:p:

[temujin]

My opinion is that the movie was a masterpiece.

This thread is not.

[sonic21]

Why is it when Manu is having an incredible season, like last year, where he clearly outlplayed Tony, the CoM just wants Tony to get better

wait... what?

[mrspurs]

they dont have to be. If Hill can man the point, Parker better not demand too much or Tim WILL get that help down low.

I'm not sure which is better...Tony and tim or hill tim and boozer(for example)

You cant be serious. Comparing Hill to TP?:lol Hill will never be a TP. Hes not quick enough.

[my2sons]

Have you been watching Hill finish at the rim? He's lucky to get the ball to hit the topside of the rim. No way they leave the reigns to Hill.

Parker couldn't finish consistently at the rim as a rookie either. He was too weak and worked on that part of his game. Hill did well when he was thrown into the fire when tony was out and I don't know why that should change. No he is not even in the same dimention as tony, but that's not to say he won't be a strong option. The spurs won a title with a journeyman point guard, I forget his name, oh yea Avery Johnson.

[DAF86]

Parker will probably get a close to max contract from the Spurs when his contract is up.

I love Tony but I wouldn't offer him a max type contract. If I were a GM I'd pay that kind of money only to a top tier bigman or a Kobe/Lebron type of player.

[FreeMason]

Trade Parker

[Pauleta14]

Tony's actual contact is a bargain for the spurs!!
He could already have asked for more! (as well as Ginobili BTW)
If

[Pauleta14]

If one of the Big3 has to ask for (once again) less money, it's clearly Tim!
I mean he still deserves the highest one, but not 20M!