What about Bowen?

[Illusionarist]

That guy is taking 4 millions a year.(correct me if mistaken) Not the defender he was and no help on the offense. Only some good matches. Why not add him on the package Vaughn, Fab, Ime? It would help match the salaries and we could attract other teams with him in the package. And what could we get then? Your opinions..

[de Soto]

He's done, finished, kaput. Officially he's being saved for playoffs...better be fucking brilliant there.

[Illusionarist]

He's done, finished, kaput. Officially he's being saved for playoffs...better be fucking brilliant there.


Really agree with you. But i don't think he will be fucking brilliant in the playoffs. Why keep him?

[z0sa]

Bowen is still untradeable, if only for his incredible amount of all-star votes.

[benefactor]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115462

[YoMamaIsCallin]

This is f'ing brilliant. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before? Is our front office asleep, drunk, or what?

Here it is. Simply take the last three or four players on our bench and figure out what one good player's salary matches that combination, THEN MAKE THE TRADE.

Yes!!!! That's it!!! All our problems solved!!!!

WAKE UP SPURS. YOUR FANS DEMAND ACTION.

[Illusionarist]

Bowen is still untradeable, if only for his incredible amount of all-star votes.


Exactly because of the All-Star votes we should trade him. We can get a much better player. The Big Man we need. Or a good SF which i thuink is missing too.

[de Soto]

Another thing...Bowen will stay in San Antonio after his career is over and become a community ambassador/benefactor much like Robinson, only on a smaller scale. Those things still count in SATX. Nothing wrong with that.

The big question is...what will Tim do after he retires?

[YODA]

Bowen is still untradeable, if only for his incredible amount of all-star votes.


this gave me a good laugh.

[ClingingMars]

Bowen can still play defense, if you haven't noticed.

-Mars

[mrspurs]

You people and your F word typing keyboards are really turning this site sour.

[benefactor]

You people and your F word typing keyboards are really turning this site sour.
Then leave.

[de Soto]

Bowen can still play defense, if you haven't noticed.

-Mars

Can play? Maybe.

Has played? Occasionally.

[Illusionarist]

Bowen can still play defense, if you haven't noticed.

-Mars


Yeap he can play some defense but only for limited minutes and he is no at the level he once was. You can't deny it. We could just trade him for what we need most. A good C or a SF. This would benefit us . WE should do it when he is at his peak(now he is after it but anyway).

[z0sa]

You people and your F word typing keyboards are really turning this site sour.

shut the fuck up. and fuck you.

[xtremesteven33]

Do spurs fans even watch the games?

If they did they would notice Bowens impact on the game every time he steps foot on the court.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If anything Bowen's minutes need to double, not dwindle to the point where we trade him away

[z0sa]

Do spurs fans even watch the games?

If they did they would notice Bowens impact on the game every time he steps foot on the court.

They missed the very last game against the Jazz apparently.

...except they actually didn't miss watching the jazz game. Get my drift?

[Illusionarist]

He can help us but not at the meter he should play with the money he is being payed. He is in his downhill but not deep. Trade him now that we can. Get something more useful.

[I. Hustle]

Brilliant idea. Here is my proposal.
First we get a petition going. The message on the top should be very thoughtfully written and researched as the front office isn’t going to take a “Hey let’s trade Bowen just cuz” letter. Next we get a group of people from Spurstalk together that think this should be done and get them to sign it. After that it should be easy to get them to find family and friends to go along with the idea. Once we get an agreed amount of signatures on our petition then we can elect someone from here ( not it ) to represent the fans and present it to the Spurs front office. Then after we have elected our rep we get a really nice envelope to protect it from whatever and is put together and organized professionally we should roll that sumbitch up and stick it up your ass.
Damn I am tired of you wannabe GM’s

[xtremesteven33]

Lets trade Duncan his value is VERY high!!!

[Illusionarist]

After all if we give him we are not going to lose a championship because of that. On teh other hand , if we take what we need, we will be able to win it and we will get some future.

[Illusionarist]

Damn I am tired of you wannabe GM’s


What we do here is sharing ideas. Wake up. What's the problem?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115462

:tu

[z0sa]

After all if we give him we are not going to lose a championship because of that. On teh other hand , if we take what we need, we will be able to win it and we will get some future.

A good portion of beating LA this year requires Bowen to be not just good, but great.

[I. Hustle]

What we do here is sharing ideas. Wake up. What's the problem?

My bad you are right. I am just having a bad day here at work and I guess it carried over. OK well here is my idea. STFU!

[de Soto]

If they did they would notice Bowens impact on the game every time he steps foot on the court.

You mean, "Every time he steps on a foot on the court?" :lol I miss those tough as nails days of Bruce. He certainly earned his keep back then.

[sonic21]

Bowen shoots too much , he needs to pass the ball to Manu :tu

[benefactor]

What we do here is sharing ideas. Wake up. What's the problem?
Your idea sucks balls...that is the problem.

[de Soto]

Bowen shoots too much

No he doesn't. He just misses too much.

[xtremesteven33]

:lol

Bowens got the finger roll going now.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

This board is fucked.

To understand what Bowen has left in the tank, all you have to do is look at how we're playing D when he's on the bench. When he's not out there, we stop about as many people as a wet paper bag.

As for his limited minutes, that's Pop's decision. He can still play 35-38, Pop just want's to save him, while getting our new guys some PT.

It amazes me how little many of you guys understand about Spurs D. Our defense is a team defense, it doesn't hinge on a monster big man (or we never would have won any titles). It hinges on guys knowing their assignments and playing smart and aggressive.

Well, no one knows it better than Bruce, and even if he is a step slower, he's still outplaying every other spur on the defensive side of the ball.

And yet still you guys cry day after day for a dominant big man. Spurs defense doesn't need a "clean up" defender to erase mistakes IF we are playing good team D. We've won titles with Oberto, Rasho, Nazr and Elson.

I would love to see a dominant big on this team besides TD, but I'm not willing to give up on our top defender because as some of you don't realize, our defense right now is HORRIBLE, we can't get stops on good teams when we need to, and if we are going to close the gap with LA it will be by learning to play Spurs D for 48 mins once again.

FUCK:bang!

(oh sorry, trouble with my keyboard:p:)

[mrspurs]

shut the fuck up. and fuck you.

You need help. Id say I feel sorry for ya. But I dont. What is sad is your a Spurs fan and you act like your a fan from Oakland or Boston.:lol Your mamma and Pappa did a horrible job of raising you and thats a fact. You can join the rest of the Spurs Fans that have no control on my ignore list....cya around idiot.

[Illusionarist]

At least do you think the money he is taking are OK? He is stealing us. Hill is a hell of a lot better and is taking 1/4. And Bowen was never a huge player like Manu or Tim or Tony. He was just a nice role player who helped us because of his D.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Problems abound with the idea. For starters, who would want Bowen? I'm not hating on him in the least, he's a huge part of what the Spurs do, but he's a round peg in a round hole with the Spurs. Bowen plays D and offers very limited offense. The Spurs are a team that have enough scoring threats they can field a defensive specialist in heavy minutes plus a coach who emphasizes defense enough to allow that to happen. The list of teams that would want that at a $4 mil price tag is limited. Just off the top of my head the only teams that come to mind are all other teams that are fighting for a championship and probably not in the mood to turn around and just hand the Spurs exactly what they need. This isn't even taking into account that with the ridiculous contracts big men get, there may not even be a player in existence in the league who can fill the spot the Spurs need for a mere 4 mil.

One thing that might make him appealing to other teams outside that highly limited scope is that he's got a contract that comes off the books for the 2010, which would make him just as appealing for the Spurs to hold onto as well.

[mrspurs]

This board is fucked.

To understand what Bowen has left in the tank, all you have to do is look at how we're playing D when he's on the bench. When he's not out there, we stop about as many people as a wet paper bag.

As for his limited minutes, that's Pop's decision. He can still play 35-38, Pop just want's to save him, while getting our new guys some PT.

It amazes me how little many of you guys understand about Spurs D. Our defense is a team defense, it doesn't hinge on a monster big man (or we never would have won any titles). It hinges on guys knowing their assignments and playing smart and aggressive.

Well, no one knows it better than Bruce, and even if he is a step slower, he's still outplaying every other spur on the defensive side of the ball.

And yet still you guys cry day after day for a dominant big man. Spurs defense doesn't need a "clean up" defender to erase mistakes IF we are playing good team D. We've won titles with Oberto, Rasho, Nazr and Elson.

I would love to see a dominant big on this team besides TD, but I'm not willing to give up on our top defender because as some of you don't realize, our defense right now is HORRIBLE, we can't get stops on good teams when we need to, and if we are going to close the gap with LA it will be by learning to play Spurs D for 48 mins once again.

FUCK:bang!

(oh sorry, trouble with my keyboard:p:)

You just joined The F club

[mrspurs]

Do spurs fans even watch the games?

If they did they would notice Bowens impact on the game every time he steps foot on the court.

I do. Most times upclose. We wont trade Bruce.

[z0sa]

You need help. Id say I feel sorry for ya. But I dont. What is sad is your a Spurs fan and you act like your a fan from Oakland or Boston.:lol Your mamma and Pappa did a horrible job of raising you and thats a fact. You can join the rest of the Spurs Fans that have no control on my ignore list....cya around idiot.


You just joined The F club

you're not a fucking moderator. Refer back or below:


shut the fuck up

[Kori Ellis]

:lol Why would the Spurs trade Bowen? If anything, they need to give him more minutes.

Y'all are crazy.

Anyway, mrspurs idea of cutting down the "fuck" posts is a good one. I'm not going to censor anyone, but sometimes you guys cuss just to cuss. There's times when it's fitting to cuss.. "Roger Fuckin' Mason for 3", "Ray Allen is a Fucking Pussy" etc, but every post doesn't have to be littered with it.

Just a suggestion ;)

[Illusionarist]

You are kidding that he is top Defender. Not any more. At least not against an All-Star. And that is the reason for which we are supposed to have him. We don't want him to defend a player at the level of Ime.

[mrspurs]

For all those who love to use the F word. Please continue to use it in this thread. Dont stop please. Once again. Please dont stop. With this one thread I can make this site better for me and my family. And Im sure it would help new people who have plans on joining one of the only Spurs sites that has alot of good things going on all the time.

[Kori Ellis]

You are kidding that he is top Defender. Not any more. At least not against an All-Star. And that is the reason for which we are supposed to have him. We don't want him to defend a player at the level of Ime.


:lol Bowen's D at 37 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ime anytime in his life

[it's me]

What an idiot….. even pseudospursfans know that Pop is saving Bowen for the playoffs…. Bruce is not a youngster anymore…. but name me one player that can guard the Kobes, Lebrons, etc better than him….

[z0sa]

For all those who love to use the F word. Please continue to use it in this thread. Dont stop please. Once again. Please dont stop. With this one thread I can make this site better for me and my family. And Im sure it would help new people who have plans on joining one of the only Spurs sites that has alot of good things going on all the time.

Do you know the meaning of a comma? If you were what you say you were, and not a 15 year old kid, then you would. And for going to all these spurs games for free, having kids, and working for the spurs, meeting them at their houses, and getting pictures with them all, but not being able to reveal any of this, you sure got time to post a shit ton of garbage on here hating on your favorite team.

[Biggems]

funny how Bowen was the only one who could hit a shot against the Lakers. He also has been showing that 18-20 ft jumper this season. I wish he would drive to the basket more, when he does, good things usually happen for the Spurs.

Only a fool would trade Bowen. He is a professional in the finest sense of the word. He is a great guy to have in the lockerroom, because of his work ethic, attention to detail, knowledge of the system, knowledge of opposing players, humility, sense of humor, and chemistry with the players. He is also a pillar in the SA community.

I am so sick of all of you disloyal fans. You disgust me. Yes he has gotten older, and yes he has lost a step or two. However, he is still a very good player, especially on defense. He still has a lot to offer this team and this city. Show some flippin loyalty for crying out loud. It isn't like he is a scrub or a cancer. Just last season he claimed his 5th consecutive 1st Team All-Defense Award.

IMO, you will see more of Bruce after the all-star break. His minutes and productivity should increase. I have a feeling our defense will get better as a result.

This will be his final contract with the Spurs. After everything he has given the team and the city, he deserves to be allowed to finish that contract and retire as a Spur.

[024]

bowen brings much needed offense off the bench. bowen off the dribble = unstoppable.

[mrspurs]

:lol Why would the Spurs trade Bowen? If anything, they need to give him more minutes.

Y'all are crazy.

Anyway, mrspurs idea of cutting down the "fuck" posts is a good one. I'm not going to censor anyone, but sometimes you guys cuss just to cuss. There's times when it's fitting to cuss.. "Roger Fuckin' Mason for 3", "Ray Allen is a Fucking Pussy" etc, but every post doesn't have to be littered with it.

Just a suggestion ;)

You know Im not trying to start any trouble. Ive learned alot in here. And your right about the usage of F words. Sometimes its fitting. I dont put everyone on ignore just because they use that word. People do it because they're allowed to. If you put a censor in here. You would lose more then half the people who come to your site.

[Biggems]

:lol Why would the Spurs trade Bowen? If anything, they need to give him more minutes.

Y'all are crazy.

Anyway, mrspurs idea of cutting down the "fuck" posts is a good one. I'm not going to censor anyone, but sometimes you guys cuss just to cuss. There's times when it's fitting to cuss.. "Roger Fuckin' Mason for 3", "Ray Allen is a Fucking Pussy" etc, but every post doesn't have to be littered with it.

Just a suggestion ;)

How about 1 F bomb per post....would you be able to do that?

[mrspurs]

funny how Bowen was the only one who could hit a shot against the Lakers. He also has been showing that 18-20 ft jumper this season. I wish he would drive to the basket more, when he does, good things usually happen for the Spurs.

Only a fool would trade Bowen. He is a professional in the finest sense of the word. He is a great guy to have in the lockerroom, because of his work ethic, attention to detail, knowledge of the system, knowledge of opposing players, humility, sense of humor, and chemistry with the players. He is also a pillar in the SA community.

I am so sick of all of you disloyal fans. You disgust me. Yes he has gotten older, and yes he has lost a step or two. However, he is still a very good player, especially on defense. He still has a lot to offer this team and this city. Show some flippin loyalty for crying out loud. It isn't like he is a scrub or a cancer. Just last season he claimed his 5th consecutive 1st Team All-Defense Award.

IMO, you will see more of Bruce after the all-star break. His minutes and productivity should increase. I have a feeling our defense will get better as a result.

This will be his final contract with the Spurs. After everything he has given the team and the city, he deserves to be allowed to finish that contract and retire as a Spur.

100% agreed

[South Side Spurs Fan]

You need help. Id say I feel sorry for ya. But I dont. What is sad is your a Spurs fan and you act like your a fan from Oakland or Boston.:lol Your mamma and Pappa did a horrible job of raising you and thats a fact. You can join the rest of the Spurs Fans that have no control on my ignore list....cya around idiot.

Get off your high horse, lady. Stop judging people (this poster, Boston Fans, Oakland Fans, this poster's momma and poppa, Manu for playing in the Olympics). Jesus spent all his life among those who needed him the most: criminals and prostitutes, killers, liars and thieves, and some of them probably cursed in his presence. He didn't come in judgment of them...so how do you feel so entitled?

It's people like you that spoil the message and the church.

[mrspurs]

How about 1 F bomb per post....would you be able to do that?

:lol Ill be honest today must be F word day. And we have a winning record this month. Wonder what would happen if we had a losing record?

[portnoy1]

Bruce has lost a step, however that 3pt corner shot is still consistent as ever. There are nights mason, finley and bonner can't throw a beach ball in the water. But no matter how bad the big 3 shooters are you always have bruce in the corner gauranteed to hit 75% of the time. Am i right or what?

[bus driver]

That guy is taking 4 millions a year.(correct me if mistaken) Not the defender he was and no help on the offense. Only some good matches. Why not add him on the package Vaughn, Fab, Ime? It would help match the salaries and we could attract other teams with him in the package. And what could we get then? Your opinions..


you are mistaken! He is a great defender and a bonus with a couple of three from time to time (i dont know about his salary):wakeup

[portnoy1]

It would never happen. San antonio is a class team and organization. Sean elliott didn't really do to much in his last year with the spurs, however they kept him till he retired. David Robinsons numbers dropped big time in his last season. He went from like 14pts a game to 7 in 2003 season. Nevertheless trading Bowen is out of the question. Fab maybe, Vaughn maybe and Ime definitley. Those 3 as a package is OK. My question to you is who are we going to get for those 3 combined?

[Bigzax]

no bruce, no title!

the chemistry of the big 4 will not be broken up by pop.

[mrspurs]

It would never happen. San antonio is a class team and organization. Sean elliott didn't really do to much in his last year with the spurs, however they kept him till he retired. David Robinsons numbers dropped big time in his last season. He went from like 14pts a game to 7 in 2003 season. Nevertheless trading Bowen is out of the question. Fab maybe, Vaughn maybe and Ime definitley. Those 3 as a package is OK. My question to you is who are we going to get for those 3 combined?

You got that right. The Spurs are a class act. Its to bad alot of their fans are class......less

[portnoy1]

Tim, Manu, and bruce stay. for sure. I would be willing to trade parker, but the spurs would never do that. I know it sounds bad coming from a 16yr spurs fan, but hey we can do better with another point gaurd.

[Parker2112]

Get off your high horse, lady. Stop judging people (this poster, Boston Fans, Oakland Fans, this poster's momma and poppa, Manu for playing in the Olympics). Jesus spent all his life among those who needed him the most: criminals and prostitutes, killers, liars and thieves, and some of them probably cursed in his presence. He didn't come in judgment of them...so how do you feel so entitled?

It's people like you that spoil the message and the church.

[JPB]

How to turn a clueless "trade Bowen" thread into a "trade tony" one.
Spurs should have kept Speedy and Beno, right...

I love TP's haters.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

How to turn a clueless "trade Bowen" thread into a "trade tony" one.
Spurs should have kept Speedy and Beno, right...

I love TP's haters.

[velik_m]

Anyway, mrspurs idea of cutting down the "fuck" posts is a good one. I'm not going to censor anyone, but sometimes you guys cuss just to cuss. There's times when it's fitting to cuss.. "Roger Fuckin' Mason for 3", "Ray Allen is a Fucking Pussy" etc, but every post doesn't have to be littered with it.

Just a suggestion ;)

:stfu

Fuck that shit! What's fucking wrong with saying fuck? It's just a fucking word, and very fucking versatile at that. You can use fuck in fucking everything - from simple cursing to complex expressions of fucked up emotions. Why do you fucking people feel the need to fuck with this one fucking word. You all need to fucking chill and maybe fuck more.

Oh, and - fuck the censorship!

:flipoff

[velik_m]

And trading bowen is just a terrible idea.

[ClingingMars]

Can play? Maybe.

Has played? Occasionally.

doesn't change the fact that he can STILL be an elite defender.

[mrspurs]

:stfu

Fuck that shit! What's fucking wrong with saying fuck? It's just a fucking word, and very fucking versatile at that. You can use fuck in fucking everything - from simple cursing to complex expressions of fucked up emotions. Why do you fucking people feel the need to fuck with this one fucking word. You all need to fucking chill and maybe fuck more.

Oh, and - fuck the censorship!

:flipoff

dont stop there, keep it coming.:lmao

[ClingingMars]

Yeap he can play some defense but only for limited minutes and he is no at the level he once was. You can't deny it. We could just trade him for what we need most. A good C or a SF. This would benefit us . WE should do it when he is at his peak(now he is after it but anyway).

he's not at the level that he once was, but he's still an ELITE defender. What makes you say he can only sustain it for limited minutes? Where during the season has Bowen become "fatigued" during a game?

[ClingingMars]

Bruce has lost a step, however that 3pt corner shot is still consistent as ever. There are nights mason, finley and bonner can't throw a beach ball in the water. But no matter how bad the big 3 shooters are you always have bruce in the corner gauranteed to hit 75% of the time. Am i right or what?

best post you've made so far :tu

still doesn't make up for the parker thread.

[Brazil]

My bad you are right. I am just having a bad day here at work and I guess it carried over. OK well here is my idea. STFU!
:lol

[my2sons]

They put bruce on mehmet okur and he shut him down. He made mehmet remember that he was in a shooting slump. I couldn't believe bruce was on him and utah still refused to post him up, but I guess he has to go since he's not a shut down defender anymore. Heck pop may have him on the shelf to keep teams from inquiring on his availability before the trade deadline.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Come to your senses people. We still need Bruce for: Nash, Kobe, spot duty on Nowitzki, Stojakovic, Paul, Terry, (evidently Okur)etc etc

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Illusionarist.









Check.

[HarlemHeat37]

I said this for Manu, but it's even more important when it comes to Bowen..Bruce means a lot more to our team than he would to any other team, and it's been like that for years..he fits perfectly for this team..

Bowen at his peak was EASILY the best perimeter defender in the NBA..easily..so the fact that he's lost a step doesn't mean much, it just "lowers" him down to a top 5 perimeter defender, which he's clearly shown most of the time he's been on the court this season..I can't really think of many guys I would take ahead of him in that regard..Battier, Ariza(all-around D), Posey off the top of my head..

we're 10-1 when Bowen plays 25 minutes or more..

[benefactor]

we're 10-1 when Bowen plays 25 minutes or more..
[/thread]

[Agloco]

For all those who love to use the F word. Please continue to use it in this thread. Dont stop please. Once again. Please dont stop. With this one thread I can make this site better for me and my family. And Im sure it would help new people who have plans on joining one of the only Spurs sites that has alot of good things going on all the time.

That's wonderful. I can almost hear the birds chirping now......

Having said that, please quit wasting my time by posting about your moral crusade. If you're putting people on ignore, just do it already. No need to announce it. Thank you in advance. :toast

[Agloco]

I said this for Manu, but it's even more important when it comes to Bowen..Bruce means a lot more to our team than he would to any other team, and it's been like that for years..he fits perfectly for this team..

Bowen at his peak was EASILY the best perimeter defender in the NBA..easily..so the fact that he's lost a step doesn't mean much, it just "lowers" him down to a top 5 perimeter defender, which he's clearly shown most of the time he's been on the court this season..I can't really think of many guys I would take ahead of him in that regard..Battier, Ariza(all-around D), Posey off the top of my head..

we're 10-1 when Bowen plays 25 minutes or more..

I suppose another follow up question to ask is: Who has he played 25 or more minutes against?

[Yorae]

I can't belive you fucking ingrates are spurs fans.

[m33p0]

He's done, finished, kaput. Officially he's being saved for playoffs...better be fucking brilliant there.


That guy is taking 4 millions a year.(correct me if mistaken) Not the defender he was and no help on the offense. Only some good matches. Why not add him on the package Vaughn, Fab, Ime? It would help match the salaries and we could attract other teams with him in the package. And what could we get then? Your opinions..

you two, get a room.

[Austin_Toros]

if it wasn't for Bruce i doubt the spurs would have as many championships as they do...

[Brazil]

Illusionarist.









Check.

:lmao Ed, I will deverse a check if i create a thread : trade Tim for Amare ?

[peskypesky]

Bruce can still defend. And Championships are built on defense. So he's staying.

[Biggems]

That's wonderful. I can almost hear the birds chirping now......

Having said that, please quit wasting my time by posting about your moral crusade. If you're putting people on ignore, just do it already. No need to announce it. Thank you in advance. :toast

i love your sig.....makes me feel the need to take a cold shower.....hehehehe

[anakha]

You got that right. The Spurs are a class act. Its to bad alot of their fans are class......less

The only difference between you and the fans you call classless is that you don't swear.