Hannity says FDR's new deal didn't work.... [Archive]

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 01:18 AM

Shrewd observation, cool hand.

GDP contracted from 1929-1933 and did not reach pre-crash levels until 1937.

Lesson: the fiscal cure doesn't even have to work to be electorally effective. Unlike FDR, Obama gets two bites of the apple, max.

ratm1221

01-30-2009, 08:16 AM

No way! A right wing wacko from Fox News thinks FDR's new deal didn't work? Major story.

DarrinS

01-30-2009, 11:07 AM

The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. WWII is what really brought the country out of it.

doobs

01-30-2009, 11:17 AM

So all Obama has to do is get us involved in a large-scale foreign war, ideally one involving Russia and China.

SnakeBoy

01-30-2009, 11:41 AM

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 11:43 AM

I'm not sure any comparisons to the Great Depression/New Deal are valid. America is in a much different position now. Deeply in debt, almost no manufacturing base, military obligations across the globe.There was a credit bubble in 1929 -- not as big as the current one, true -- but otherwise you're spot on. We're fighting this battle as if it were still the 1930's.

The main difference between stimulus then and now is that the Fed is off the chain. Even still, the stimulus so far appears to be too small to bridge the estimated gap in GDP.

FreeMason

01-30-2009, 11:59 AM

...but FDR got elected by 61% in his second term.:lol

That doesn't really mean much.

Wild Cobra

01-30-2009, 12:28 PM

So all Obama has to do is get us involved in a large-scale foreign war, ideally one involving Russia and China.
I disagree. Part of why war brought us out of the depression was the large scale and rapid increase in military buildup. Any war we have will unlikely increase the military much beyond what it is today.

angrydude

01-30-2009, 12:50 PM

Well, the war did kill a lot of people who otherwise would have been unemployed.

the war didn't do it so much as just not screwing around with the economy so much during that time (like the new deal) and decimating our competitors in manufacturing.

doobs

01-30-2009, 12:51 PM

I disagree. Part of why war brought us out of the depression was the large scale and rapid increase in military buildup. Any war we have will unlikely increase the military much beyond what it is today.

I was just joking around.

ClingingMars

01-30-2009, 03:01 PM

The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. WWII is what really brought the country out of it.

Obstructed_View

01-30-2009, 05:22 PM

...but FDR got elected by 61% in his second term.:lol

People like handouts. See election 2008.

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 05:40 PM

People like handouts. See election 2008.The theme of Caesar's fifty gold pieces to every Roman citizen, rears it's ugly head. Are we all to be so lightly bought off then, by a politician's petty -- or not so petty -- bribes?

Really, is that all it takes?

DarkReign

01-30-2009, 05:58 PM

The theme of Caesar's fifty gold pieces to every Roman citizen, rears it's ugly head. Are we all to be so lightly bought off then, by a politician's petty -- or not so petty -- bribes?

Really, is that all it takes?

Rhetorical, Im sure.

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 06:04 PM

Rhetorical, Im sure.I mean, OV can unpack it for us if it's not rhetorical. Maybe he really means something by it. Who can tell?

Wild Cobra

01-30-2009, 06:11 PM

People like handouts. See election 2008.
That's why this nation may fail. We now have more wolves that sheep, and we just voted on what's for dinner.

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 06:26 PM

That's why this nation may fail. We now have more wolves that sheep, and we just voted on what's for dinner.It was more effectively mournful when doobs said it.

You might also want to check the exact wording of the cliche; your own version is not concise.

Attempt to rewarm, failed.

Wild Cobra

01-30-2009, 06:33 PM

It was more effectively mournful when doobs said it.

You might also want to check the exact wording of the cliche; your own version is not concise.

Attempt to rewarm, failed.
I wasn't trying to repeat it exact. Just the idea.

ChumpDumper

01-30-2009, 06:34 PM

The New Deal saved capitalism in this country and probably the world -- those judging the efficacy of one part of it or another fail to see the forest for the leaf they are examining.

Quit whining.

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 06:34 PM

I wasn't trying to repeat it exact. Just the idea.Bro, delivery is everything...

Wild Cobra

01-30-2009, 06:42 PM

Bro, delivery is everything...
Oh. I see... Substance doesn't matter, right?

Is that why people believe in all the bullshit?

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 06:52 PM

Oh. I see... Substance doesn't matter, right?It was not my objection to your substance -- although I frequently object to that, too -- so much as your very bad style, that caused me to complain in the first place. Ok?

Is that why people believe in all the bullshit?Who knows? Maybe they just have their own opinions.

Blake

01-30-2009, 06:56 PM

Oh. I see... Substance doesn't matter, right?

Is that why people believe in all the bullshit?

no, i don't really believe in most of your bullsh1t

sook

01-30-2009, 07:04 PM

Oh. I see... Substance doesn't matter, right?

Is that why people believe in all the bullshit?

nothing you ever say has substance, trust me.

Winehole23

01-30-2009, 08:02 PM

nothing you ever say has substance, trust me.It doesn't matter. He'll keep coming back, and you'll have to deal with it all over again. Don't let it drive you crazy. It can.