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duncan228
02-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Tinsley to file grievance vs. Pacers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/02/03/tinsley.pacers.ap/index.html)

Sources: Tinsley may file grievance (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3880962)
By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine

The National Basketball Players Association is preparing to file a grievance against the Indiana Pacers on behalf of banished point guard Jamaal Tinsley, according to sources. The grievance should be filed within the next week.

The Pacers exiled Tinsley before training camp in October, telling him to stay away from the club until it traded him. Tinsley initially agreed without complaint, but with the Feb. 19 trade deadline nearing and no deal on the horizon, he is getting antsy. Tinsley, who will turn 31 on Feb. 28, has two years and $14.7 million left on his contract and is concerned about his "state of limbo" dragging into future seasons.

Indiana president Larry Bird said Monday that a pre-deadline trade remains a possibility and that he is talking with several teams about Tinsley. He said there is no way he will rejoin the Pacers.

"We're not bringing him back," Bird said. "Our owner made that clear. We're doing everything we can to move him and I really hope we can, not just for us but for Jamaal too. He's a basketball player -- a pretty good basketball player -- and he needs to be playing."

Raymond Brothers, Tinsley's agent, said his client just wants to play.

"The Pacers told him he wasn't invited to training camp, not welcome at Conseco Fieldhouse," Brothers said. "He's not in the media guide or a part of anything they're doing."

Potential outcomes of a grievance could include an arbitrator forcing the Pacers to either buy Tinsley out of his contract or waive him.

Tinsley has averaged 10.4 points and 7.0 assists over his seven-year career, all of which has been played in Indiana. After trades of Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson, Tinsley is the last remaining vestige of the Pacers' recent era of lawlessness, highlighted by the 2004 brawl in Detroit, that cost the club much of its local fan base.

But Tinsley's baggage may not be the biggest detriment to a trade. His contract and the fact that he's injury-prone, having played more than 42 games just once in the past five seasons, have scared off teams.

Tinsley has been with the Pacers since 2001-02. He played in just 39 games last season, the fewest in his seven-year NBA career.

Last March, charges in connection with a bar fight were dropped against Tinsley and teammate Marquis Daniels in exchange for 32 hours of community service. But the Pacers deemed Tinsley expendable in a roster shake-up that brought in seven new players over the summer.

His nameplate was removed from his locker at Conseco Fieldhouse, and the team sent his belongings to him in Atlanta.

Pacers co-owner and CEO Herb Simon said in a recent interview with The Associated Press that the team has consistently been trying to move Tinsley.

"Other teams love talking about him. and nothing has happened yet, basically," he said.

Simon said his desire is that Tinsley returns to action soon.

"It just didn't work out," Simon said. "He's not a bad person, although things happened here which were not good. It was time for him to move on, and we're trying to help him move to a place that will be better for him."

Indazone
02-03-2009, 07:33 PM
Tinsley deserves another shot. Pacers pigeonholed him to obscurity. Nobody to watch him, no showcasing of talent, completely off the radar for a trade.

Indazone
02-03-2009, 09:52 PM
lol look what an internet search of Jamal Tinsley got me from a Pacers BBS.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009...520.htm?page=0 (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009/sports/moresports/young_star_making_his_mark_on_lakers_151520.htm?pa ge=0)

As posted by Peter Vescey on the NY Post:
"Should Olympiacos luck out and fail to work out an arrangement with the Knicks to sign Stephon Marbury (Barack Obama's first mistake as president was not to shut him down before Guantanamo) as a replacement for injured Josh Childress, its options are Jamaal Tinsley, Jason Williams and Steve Francis."

Is there life for Steve Francis?? Gunslinger Tinsley?? White Chocolate??

m33p0
02-03-2009, 10:04 PM
will he be doing it with a gun?

ducks
02-03-2009, 10:27 PM
tinsley shoudl be let go to magic

ploto
02-03-2009, 10:34 PM
Do you mean he should be traded to the Magic? Or are you supporting a buy-out and the Magic getting him for cheap?

Indazone
02-04-2009, 02:42 AM
Tinsley deserves a new shot anywhere. Stephen Jackson was part of that crew too. Everyone thought he was a team cancer. Look at him now.

TDMVPDPOY
02-04-2009, 02:52 AM
Tinsley deserves a new shot anywhere. Stephen Jackson was part of that crew too. Everyone thought he was a team cancer. Look at him now.

are you suggesting his the cure?

m33p0
02-04-2009, 02:54 AM
does he have a case? he is getting paid to not do anything.

mogrovejo
02-04-2009, 07:36 AM
does he have a case? he is getting paid to not do anything.

Yeah, it can be argued the Pacers must allow him to be with the team, use the facilities, have access to the coaches and trainers, etc.

Then, he can also argue that by not playing him the Pacers are ruining his professional reputation and the ability to land a new contract. In this case, Tinsley have a case if the Pacers have refused offers to trade him for his market value (no matter how low - even negative - it may be) or to waive/buy him out for a sensible offer (say the traditional 80% of the remaining guaranteed money contract).

However, I believe this arbitration must be limited to the CBA and that probably rules out the 2nd line of argument Tinsley could have. Interesting case for the future.

m33p0
02-04-2009, 07:47 AM
Yeah, it can be argued the Pacers must allow him to be with the team, use the facilities, have access to the coaches and trainers, etc.

Then, he can also argue that by not playing him the Pacers are ruining his professional reputation and the ability to land a new contract. In this case, Tinsley have a case if the Pacers have refused offers to trade him for his market value (no matter how low - even negative - it may be) or to waive/buy him out for a sensible offer (say the traditional 80% of the remaining guaranteed money contract).

However, I believe this arbitration must be limited to the CBA and that probably rules out the 2nd line of argument Tinsley could have. Interesting case for the future.
pacers can always overvalue him to chase any potential suitors away or to make them give up more than necesary, too. which, btw, is bird's reputation in the league.

i agree, this is a very interesting case.

Chieflion
02-04-2009, 07:54 AM
I wonder how fucking easy it is for them to give him up for Radmanovic.

ploto
02-04-2009, 12:04 PM
Yeah, it can be argued the Pacers must allow him to be with the team, use the facilities, have access to the coaches and trainers, etc.

Then, he can also argue that by not playing him the Pacers are ruining his professional reputation and the ability to land a new contract. In this case, Tinsley have a case if the Pacers have refused offers to trade him for his market value (no matter how low - even negative - it may be) or to waive/buy him out for a sensible offer (say the traditional 80% of the remaining guaranteed money contract).

He has 2 more years left on this contract and it makes him hard to trade. The Pacers have no obligation to make a trade that is bad for their team nor do I believe they have to allow him to be with the team. They certainly do not have to play any player they do not want to. The team owns the contract and they have to pay him, and they are. They also are under no obligation to buy him out. They have the right to use that contract to try to get something. No one can force them to pay 80% of the remainder of that contract and let him go and get nothing in return. Actually, the rest of the teams in the league are looking at how the Pacers handled this and some are wishing they had done it the same way.

m33p0
02-04-2009, 12:54 PM
larry is gonna play hardball with jamaal.