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DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-03-2009, 10:30 PM

So I'm watching nba coast to coast and they bring up a interesting topic. Is it time for the suns to start thinking about the future now and trade off shaq, nash, amare? I think it would be a good move for the future of this team. They could get some decent players to build around for those 3. And also make the playoff race a lot easier for the rest of us lol.. anyways. Discuss.

IMO Dallas and Phoenix should both be doing this......however both have owners too stubborn to admit their involvement with personnel decision making has caused their teams to fall out of contention so both owners are going to pretend nothing is wrong.

lil_penny

02-03-2009, 10:35 PM

Yea the first team that came to mind to possibly do this was for mavs for me.. but they are playing some decent ball right now it may keep going or it could end after the trade deadline lol so I'm pretty sure cuban won't make any drastic moves but who knows.. I personally think the suns should go for it.. get some great youngsters for for the future while nash and shaq and even amare have decent trade value still.

m33p0

02-03-2009, 10:37 PM

they have no future. all they have is a bunch of paper weights and bad contracts.

21_Blessings

02-03-2009, 10:39 PM

Kobe dragged Smush, Kwame, Odom and Luke to the playoffs out West. Yet Nash, Hill, Shaq, Jrich and Amare are struggling to procure that elusive 8 seed.

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lurker

02-03-2009, 11:04 PM

Shaq, Nash and Amare will be gone in 2010 whether they trade them or not.

Lp26

02-03-2009, 11:05 PM

Yes give up. Give us Amare PHX. We will give you an expiring contract. Just think of all the capsace.

Ghazi

02-03-2009, 11:10 PM

Renaldas Seibutis for Shaq

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-03-2009, 11:29 PM

Kobe dragged Smush, Kwame, Odom and Luke to the playoffs out West. Yet Nash, Hill, Shaq, Jrich and Amare are struggling to procure that elusive 8 seed.

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I doubt Kobe would be making the playoffs if the conference was as good then as it is now.....remember where New Orleans and Portland were.

That doesn't change the fact this team is massively under achieving, which is cause of a lot of retarded shit. Amaretarded shit to be more specific.

Ghazi

02-03-2009, 11:34 PM

They're not underachieving, they're playing like expected. Nobody thought this was a 60 win team or anything.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-03-2009, 11:39 PM

They're not underachieving, they're playing like expected. Nobody thought this was a 60 win team or anything.

for the team they are on paper, they are under achieving. Plain and simple.

ElNono

02-03-2009, 11:48 PM

This same team with D'Antoni and without Shaq would have 10 more wins by now. Not that they would win anything in the end, but goes to show it's not entirely a talent problem.

Trainwreck2100

02-03-2009, 11:54 PM

I really think Amare's problem is his bball growth was retarded with D'Antoni as his coach. He developed into a player with his Defense now instead of the D he is capable of.

Ghazi

02-03-2009, 11:55 PM

This same team with D'Antoni and without Shaq would have 10 more wins by now. Not that they would win anything in the end, but goes to show it's not entirely a talent problem.

Whoa whoa whoas! TEN more wins? That would put them at 35-10, and in the same class as the Cavs/Magic/Celtics/Lakers

Ghazi

02-03-2009, 11:56 PM

for the team they are on paper, they are under achieving. Plain and simple.

They're only good on paper if Nash Shaq and Hill were in their primes.

Biggems

02-03-2009, 11:57 PM

TOWEL

and no.....but they are struggling quite a bit.

Trainwreck2100

02-03-2009, 11:57 PM

Whoa whoa whoas! TEN more wins? That would put them at 35-10, and in the same class as the Cavs/Magic/Celtics/Lakers

plus they'd be more entertaining then all of them combined

Trainwreck2100

02-03-2009, 11:57 PM

plus they'd be more entertaining then all of them combined

also the magic have fallen out of that class

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 12:02 AM

I really think Amare's problem is his bball growth was retarded with D'Antoni as his coach.

Amare's bball growth was retarded by his mental retardation. Seriously though.....

Amare's problem is his parents weren't around so he was raised by Tupac CD's and needed to play in college desperately, but didn't. Unfortunately for him it won't be till he's 30+ years old before he starts acting like an adult. Unfortunately for the Suns, they don't give rings out for dealing with immaturity, so the fact Amare has a legit excuse to act immature doesn't change the fact he needs to be traded because of his immaturity.

cobbler

02-04-2009, 12:08 AM

Ghazi

02-04-2009, 12:09 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1765~1727~267~2761~2873~802~28 01~3230&teams=6~6~21~21~21~21~21~21&te=&cash=

ElNono

02-04-2009, 12:10 AM

Whoa whoa whoas! TEN more wins? That would put them at 35-10, and in the same class as the Cavs/Magic/Celtics/Lakers

Didn't they have back to back 60+ wins seasons a few years back? Maybe my memory is failing me on this one...

ElNono

02-04-2009, 12:14 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1765~1727~267~2761~2873~802~28 01~3230&teams=6~6~21~21~21~21~21~21&te=&cash=

Dick Breath would probably block that trade... Bird rights bitch!

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 12:21 AM

Says the poster boy of immaturity! Another Classic!!!!

good one troll.

Ghazi

02-04-2009, 12:24 AM

Didn't they have back to back 60+ wins seasons a few years back? Maybe my memory is failing me on this one...

Can't stay elite forever brother!

They were 37-13 at time of Shaq trade last year I believe. Maybe worse.

Ghazi

02-04-2009, 12:25 AM

37-16, just checked!

Good, not great.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 12:29 AM

Ghazi, that record is extremely misleading. Their schedule was a joke up until that point. Check basketball reference if you don't believe me. They had little to no impressive victories.

iggypop123

02-04-2009, 12:39 AM

suns cant seem to do anything right. only trade that is worth while is shaq but thats a salary dump. therefore no real talent gained. amare might be a nice time to trade him but you would like young talent, a high draft pic and salary dump

cobbler

02-04-2009, 12:53 AM

good one troll.

says the Suns fan on a Spurs board! :lol

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 01:07 AM

says the Suns fan on a Spurs board! :lol

How many of my comments have ever been negative towards the Spurs? If anything I like the Spurs too much to be a Suns fan.

kcplayboi_26

02-04-2009, 02:51 AM

How many of my comments have ever been negative towards the Spurs? If anything I like the Spurs too much to be a Suns fan.

lol i thought that at first reading ur post, but hey as much as i would like to hate the spurs, they are a good team and the own us.

Xylus

02-04-2009, 05:40 AM

I don't hate the Spurs; it's not their fault we don't have the tools to beat them despite a myriad of attempts.

mogrovejo

02-04-2009, 07:24 AM

pauls931

02-04-2009, 08:19 AM

How many of my comments have ever been negative towards the Spurs? If anything I like the Spurs too much to be a Suns fan.

please change teams then. :bang

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 09:27 AM

please change teams then. :bang

Nope, Suns fan for life, I've never lived in a state other than AZ. Basically I agree w/ what Xylus said, you can't hate the Spurs because the Suns lose to them, and more specifically w/ me if Tim Duncan was my favorite player from 1999-2004, that won't change just because the Suns became competitive again and he started kicking their ass.

Still, whenever the Suns play the Spurs, they're the Sterns/sperms/darkside for that game.

2Cleva

02-04-2009, 09:34 AM

I mentioned the idea of Phoenix blowing it all up after the Spurs lost on another board:

..Forget loyalties or fans - its time to blow it up or it will be too late. They aren't winning a title with that group - best to stack up young talent now.

Nash to NY for David Lee, Nate Robinson, & Malik Rose.
Shaq to Chicago for Hughes, Sefolasha, Thomas, Gooden, and pick
Hill to the team of his choice for pick.
JRich to Cleveland for Wally and JJ Hickson.
Barbosa to Memphis for Conley and Buckner

And last but not least - Amare to Atlanta for Horford, Marvin, and Speedy.

Phoenix then trots out the young ones and has something to build on.

Nate Robinson/Mike Conley
Hughes/Thabo Sefolasha
Marvin Williams/Ty Thomas
David Lee/Hickson
Al Horford

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 09:35 AM

Meh... what's the problem of waiting till the off-season? Are they getting much better offers now that they'll get by then? No reason to spoil the season to ticked holders.

I think Kerr has been horrid, he should be the first to go.

Look at it closer and Kerr has done little to nothing wrong. Was the Kurt Thomas trade bad? Hell yes, but that was just as much if not more D'antoni and Sarver than it was Kerr.

Kerr took over a team that lost in the 2nd round, had little to no young players, and had an owner who's main concern was/has been cutting payroll.

Maybe letting D'antoni go and hiring Porter expedited the declining of the run and gun Suns, but after 2007, they were done and nothing was going to save them as long as Sarver was in charge dictating things based off what the son he never had (Amare) wanted.

If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the multiple sold draft picks that could have compensated for the loss of valuable role players such as Kurt Thomas.

djohn2oo8

02-04-2009, 09:43 AM

trading raja bell and shawn marion started all of this

mogrovejo

02-04-2009, 09:49 AM

Look at it closer and Kerr has done little to nothing wrong. Was the Kurt Thomas trade bad? Hell yes, but that was just as much if not more D'antoni and Sarver than it was Kerr.

Kerr took over a team that lost in the 2nd round, had little to no young players, and had an owner who's main concern was/has been cutting payroll.

Maybe letting D'antoni go and hiring Porter expedited the declining of the run and gun Suns, but after 2007, they were done and nothing was going to save them as long as Sarver was in charge dictating things based off what the son he never had (Amare) wanted.

If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the multiple sold draft picks that could have compensated for the loss of valuable role players such as Kurt Thomas.

They probably needed the money from the draft picks, no?

Kerr did everything wrong this Summer, and I'm not even going into the D'Antoni firing: he didn't address a single one of the team needs - and those weren't that many. He wasted the draft pick, he didn't sign a backup big, or a backup pg, or a wing defender. He could have done it with the resources he had. He only compounded the mistakes with the trade for Richardson, I think.

I understand you strongly dislike Sarver and Amare, but Kerr had the tools to do much better.

pauls931

02-04-2009, 09:58 AM

They probably needed the money from the draft picks, no?

Kerr did everything wrong this Summer, and I'm not even going into the D'Antoni firing: he didn't address a single one of the team needs - and those weren't that many. He wasted the draft pick, he didn't sign a backup big, or a backup pg, or a wing defender. He could have done it with the resources he had. He only compounded the mistakes with the trade for Richardson, I think.

I understand you strongly dislike Sarver and Amare, but Kerr had the tools to do much better.

I agree that Kerr f'd up really bad. The shaq trade I'll forgive him for because it came down to marion vs stoudamire and at least stoudamire can create his own shots and run the pick and roll.

However whatever happened with dantoni was bad even though dantoni himself signed off on the shaq trade as well as nash.

Getting richardson? That may be a positive if the right system is in place.

Porter though... I didn't know what to think, but it's now obvious they brought in the wrong coach for the wrong players. Proof of Kerr's incompetance as a GM since he has made several big trades and essentially wasted 2 draft picks and made the team worse. (I'm still pulling for Dragic, but obviously practice doesn't translate to games all the time)

I almost wonder if Kerr is a double agent put in to make sure the Suns don't get in the lakers way to prevent anther LA/Boston final. They already got the spurs covered with the refs come playoff time.

Bartleby

02-04-2009, 10:10 AM

I almost wonder if Kerr is a double agent put in to make sure the Suns don't get in the lakers way to prevent anther LA/Boston final. They already got the spurs covered with the refs come playoff time.

:cry

pauls931

02-04-2009, 10:21 AM

:cry

Seriously, the suns were messing up the lakers in the past and since the suns can't beat the spurs, they have call in the refs. :lol

btw, I'm just having fun here, but you sometimes have to wonder.

Bartleby

02-04-2009, 10:27 AM

My mistake, I thought you were complaining about the refs helping the Spurs (but that seems like ancient history now).

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:02 AM

stoudamire can create his own shots

1) What games are you watching?
2) If you're gonna talk about a player, make sure you spell his name right.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:29 AM

Kerr did everything wrong this Summer, and I'm not even going into the D'Antoni firing: he didn't address a single one of the team needs - and those weren't that many. He wasted the draft pick, he didn't sign a backup big, or a backup pg, or a wing defender.

D'antoni wasn't fired, he left the team on his own whim after Kerr told him to change his coaching style. D'antoni was indeed the scapegoat, but let me remind you it was Amare who threw him under the bus and blamed him for stuff he had no business being blamed for.

He did waste a draft pick but it's not like the Colangelos were drafting experts. Truth be told I think Lopez was drafted largely due to the fact he is white, and it would be easier for Kerr to pass Lopez off as a "hard working, fundamental player," because he was white, even though Lopez is anything but that. I laughed when Kerr said Lopez was the most "NBA ready" big man in the draft.
I still maintain Dragic has a decent future if he's put in a situation similar to that of Rondo/Parker early on where he's around good players and/or good coaching capable of putting him in situations where he can play the game he's comfortable playing. If Popovich was coaching Dragic and Porter was coaching George Hill, it would be a different story.

And as far as addressing the needs, Kerr didn't have the resources. Sarver didn't want him giving out any multi-year deals. Kerr had no way to go after impact players such as James Posey. With what flexibility Kerr was given, Matt Barnes and Louis Amundson were about it as far as free agents he could get.

He could have done it with the resources he had. He only compounded the mistakes with the trade for Richardson, I think.

He did what needed to be done. Bell was playing unmotivated defense and Diaw was plain unmotivated. They were both disrespecting the coach and openly disregarding him in practice. Kerr had no way of knowing they would start playing better in Charlotte. Since the 2007 all star break, both of them were useless scrubs prior to theJ-Rich trade.

I understand you strongly dislike Sarver and Amare, but Kerr had the tools to do much better.

1) I just showed that he really didn't.
2) Let'say it is Kerr's fault, then Sarver gets most of the blame for hiring a general manager with no prior front office experience and neither a major nor minor in business while attending college.

You forget, they won a grand total of one playoff game last year. Lets not pretend Kerr dismantled the '86 Celtics.

nkdlunch

02-04-2009, 11:29 AM

before they throw the towel they should wrap it around Kerr

SenorSpur

02-04-2009, 12:01 PM

Amare's bball growth was retarded by his mental retardation. Seriously though.....

Amare's problem is his parents weren't around so he was raised by Tupac CD's and needed to play in college desperately, but didn't. Unfortunately for him it won't be till he's 30+ years old before he starts acting like an adult. Unfortunately for the Suns, they don't give rings out for dealing with immaturity, so the fact Amare has a legit excuse to act immature doesn't change the fact he needs to be traded because of his immaturity.

Wow! That's pretty telling stuff coming from an avid Suns fan. I'd been reading some of Suns beat writer, Paul Coro's stuff in the AZRepublic lately. I gathered that Amare was one of the main players that helped usher D'Antoni out of town. Now in a stunning contradiction, it's Amare who's pining for his lost coach.

It seems the issues with Amare were far more widespread than folks inside the Suns organization, are willing to let on. Aside from his immaturity, I also got that Amare is rather aloof and insulated from teammates.

Do you have other examples of Amare's blatant immaturity?

And what's up with his using an apostrophe in his first name now?

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 12:29 PM

I gathered that Amare was one of the main players that helped usher D'Antoni out of town. Now in a stunning contradiction, it's Amare who's pining for his lost coach.

He was the only player who ushered D'antoni out of town. Literally every other player said they wanted D'antoni back. Now the short term memory loss Amare lovers seem to have is making them blame the loss of D'antoni as to why yet another season has gone by and Amare still hasn't grown as a player.

The annoying thing is these same Amare lovers were calling for D'antoni's head last April because he didn't "FEED A'M'A'R'E!!!!" enough and should have run the offense through Amare.

They are also blaming Shaq for limiting Amare because he "clogs the lane". More irony is that the Amare lovers wouldn't shut up about how much trading for Shaq would help Amare because he could move down to power forward and having to play center was the one reason why Amare wasn't a lock down defender.

Basically Amare has a new reason/excuse every year as to why he can't play defense, rebound, or make a hook shot.

It seems the issues with Amare were far more widespread than folks inside the Suns organization, are willing to let on. Aside from his immaturity, I also got that Amare is rather aloof and insulated from teammates.

He is. Marion was the same way. With Marion though, he still got along with his teammates, and his loner personality didn't affect his on court behavior. he never forced shots he had no business taking, and played 100% every night.

The season Amare was injured, the entire team cried after they lost to Dallas. Nash said during a press conference after the Dallas series everyone on the team gave their best and he would never forget the season.

After they lost to the Spurs largely due to Amare jumping off the bench, everyone on the team, Nash in particular, almost looked relieved the season was over. Amare said after that series, "I'm young, I'll have plenty of opportunities," lacking complete perspective that jumping off the bench postponed what some Suns fans have been waiting 40 years for.

Do you have other examples of Amare's blatant immaturity?

Well whenever he opens his mouth there's a flood of immaturity. His talk about "being the man", "bringing out his gorilla game", getting worse respect from the refs than Tupac did from the cops.

Changing his jersey number to 1 the year after his knee injury. Repeatedly no showing to knee rehab sessions.

The worst is his sense of entitlement and his attitude when talking about a game he just played. If the Suns lose, "WE made mistakes," if the Suns win, "I did what I needed to do to get the win.

The bench incident is another example. Timmy was on the bench when that happened, and he didn't even flinch.

And what's up with his using an apostrophe in his first name now?

Who knows. Once he figures out that he can legally change his name to "THA MAN", it won't matter.

SenorSpur

02-04-2009, 01:05 PM

Priceless stuff! You're obviously very well-informed. Must be tough for you, as a life-long Suns fan.

I would like to know if Sarver generally "cows down" to the wishes of his 26 year-old star?

Also based upon the issues they have now, do you think Sarver and Kerr would get to a point where they would trade Amare or even go so far as to "blow up" everything? I mean there's not much left of the "7 seconds or left" regime. They have very little choices available to them. Especially with Amare having the option to "opt-out" in 2010.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 01:35 PM

Priceless stuff! You're obviously very well-informed. Must be tough for you, as a life-long Suns fan.

A lot of it was in the Book Seven Seconds or Less, great read. I'm still young so it's not tough, yet anyways.

I would like to know if Sarver generally "cows down" to the wishes of his 26 year-old star?

No one knows a complete answer here but a lot of people suspect Sarver's affection for Amare has impacted several personnel decisions, similar to 2004 when Kobe was still selfish and isolated from the rest of the Lakers, yet Jerry Buss always made excuses for him and took his side.

Also based upon the issues they have now, do you think Sarver and Kerr would get to a point where they would trade Amare or even go so far as to "blow up" everything? I mean there's not much left of the "7 seconds or left" regime. They have very little choices available to them. Especially with Amare having the option to "opt-out" in 2010.

Even though I hate Porter because he is a horrible defensive coach, most Suns fans hate him for a completely different reason. Porter is getting the same treatment D'antoni did and is being faulted for not making Amare "THE MAN".

But it's going to be tough for Kerr/Sarver, no matter what route they chose they'll be losing fan support/sales and will in all likelihood face a losing season. A bunch of fans like me want Amare gone and are willing to see 2-3 years of garbage to rebuild. The other fans think Amare is MJ's 2nd coming only as a power forward and think they will win a title with Amare as the franchise player.

They'll either trade Amare at the deadline or try to extend him next summer. If trading Amare is in Kerr's plans, he'll do it at the deadline or sooner. We basically see if Kerr is doing what he wants or if Sarver is basically telling him what to do. Kerr played with too many great coaches and unselfish players to think Amare is a leader. If Kerr tries to make it Amare's team, it's clear Sarver is in complete control.

Ditty

02-04-2009, 10:25 PM

come on guys

grizzles really

i know we almost lost to them also

but not twice

:flag:

SenorSpur

02-04-2009, 10:29 PM

A lot of it was in the Book Seven Seconds or Less, great read. I'm still young so it's not tough, yet anyways.

No one knows a complete answer here but a lot of people suspect Sarver's affection for Amare has impacted several personnel decisions, similar to 2004 when Kobe was still selfish and isolated from the rest of the Lakers, yet Jerry Buss always made excuses for him and took his side.

Even though I hate Porter because he is a horrible defensive coach, most Suns fans hate him for a completely different reason. Porter is getting the same treatment D'antoni did and is being faulted for not making Amare "THE MAN".

But it's going to be tough for Kerr/Sarver, no matter what route they chose they'll be losing fan support/sales and will in all likelihood face a losing season. A bunch of fans like me want Amare gone and are willing to see 2-3 years of garbage to rebuild. The other fans think Amare is MJ's 2nd coming only as a power forward and think they will win a title with Amare as the franchise player.

They'll either trade Amare at the deadline or try to extend him next summer. If trading Amare is in Kerr's plans, he'll do it at the deadline or sooner. We basically see if Kerr is doing what he wants or if Sarver is basically telling him what to do. Kerr played with too many great coaches and unselfish players to think Amare is a leader. If Kerr tries to make it Amare's team, it's clear Sarver is in complete control.

I'd be curious as to your take on Robin Lopez. From an earlier post, it seems you're not too high on him. If not, why? And how about Dragic?

m33p0

02-04-2009, 10:33 PM

i miss da_suns_fan. with him, he gives me an excuse to jump up and down on the suns' corpse.
:flipoff@DoK & Xylus. (i kid. i kid. :lol)

angrydude

02-04-2009, 10:35 PM

LOL. Rockets are bipolar. Too much mental imbalance.

YellowFever

02-04-2009, 10:37 PM

"will houston throw in the towel ?"

Probably not.
It might land on Mcgrady and break something.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 10:47 PM

I'd be curious as to your take on Robin Lopez. From an earlier post, it seems you're not too high on him. If not, why? And how about Dragic?

I'm not a big fan of Lopez. He was a mediocre role player in college and looks lost since he's no longer playing against players 5 inches shorter than he is.

I actually think Dragic has a future in the NBA, Porter just has no idea how to develop talent and get players acclimated in the offense. Just my view, most Suns fans hate him as much as SA fans hated Beno. Beno was lazy though, Dragic has worked extremely hard but like Parker his rookie year he had growing pains and needed good players around him. Porter takes him out of the game immediately if he misses a few shots, something Popovich would never do to a rookie new to not just the NBA but the U.S.

Dragic can get to the rim at will and pass out of traffic, but he can't finish at the rim yet. Problem is he's been on the court with horrible players who can't make the shots he creates. It's ashame because Dragic is a really nice kid with heart and passion for basketball. Phil Jackson reportedly has interest in him.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Wow, I Turn The Game On It's 17-2 Golden State.....what The Fuck!!!!

sook

02-04-2009, 10:53 PM

This is getting ridiculous how the fuck d o you lose to such shit teams, it blows my mind. I don't care how many good picks Morey has gotten us but it sure as hell hasn't gotten us past the 1st round, and it doesn't get any worse than that. This team NEEDS a trade we almost looked like phoenix, a bunch of loose screws

IronMexican

02-04-2009, 10:54 PM

"will houston throw in the towel ?"

Probably not.
It might land on Mcgrady and break something.

:lol

turiaf for president

02-04-2009, 10:55 PM

another example of any team can beat any other team on any given night. i didnt watch the game but losing to teams with poor records does suck

JMarkJohns

02-04-2009, 10:55 PM

Wow, I Turn The Game On It's 17-2 Golden State.....what The Fuck!!!!

Why are you surprised? The only thing we have seemed to agree on is that this team is tragically flawed in its assembly, with its present suffering more and more and its future lacking any promise at the moment.

DaDakota

02-04-2009, 10:55 PM

We are 14-13 against sub .500 teams and 14-7 against above .500 teams.

Right now there is no chemistry, no identity, Ron should and probably will be traded.

DD

RedsLakers24

02-04-2009, 10:56 PM

Rockets should just trade Battier to the Lakers for VladRad + Sun Yue so Yao could be happy.

IronMexican

02-04-2009, 10:56 PM

Can I have a cool sign thing?

IM

YellowFever

02-04-2009, 10:57 PM

We are 14-13 against sub .500 teams and 14-7 against above .500 teams.

Right now there is no chemistry, no identity, Ron should and probably will be traded.

DD

Look on the bright side.

No sub 500 team wil probably make the playoffs.

turiaf for president

02-04-2009, 10:57 PM

i would love to take ron artest. but this year he has shown more than the past to be a stagnent offensive player. the ball just stops with he has it

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 10:59 PM

And Amaretard just got a T.....great.

IronMexican

02-04-2009, 11:02 PM

I've got to say, I don't think this team will make the Finals this year. Luke for Durant?

kcplayboi_26

02-04-2009, 11:03 PM

Wow, I Turn The Game On It's 17-2 Golden State.....what The Fuck!!!!

lol yea as much as i would love to throw the suns under the bus, there not playing bad right now, golden state came out extremmly hot and i think were 6-6 from 3. Dumb tech by Amare tho, he clearly did not get fouled

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:05 PM

Dumb tech by Amare tho, he clearly did not get fouled

I can't stand that garbage he does where he yells AND1!!! whenever he puts a shot up in traffic. Newsflash Amare, in order for an and 1 to occur, one must make the shot!!!!

angelbelow

02-04-2009, 11:07 PM

i dont think so either. i think they should blow it up. jeff green for finley. krstic and one of their first round picks for oberto and uokda.

kcplayboi_26

02-04-2009, 11:10 PM

Now their playing horrible, Azubuke 19 in the 1st? wow

kcplayboi_26

02-04-2009, 11:11 PM

I can't stand that garbage he does where he yells AND1!!! whenever he puts a shot up in traffic. Newsflash Amare, in order for an and 1 to occur, one must make the shot!!!!

hahahaha he does yell that ALL THA TIME, LITERALLY. i thought i was the only one who noticed it. I just laugh at it now

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:13 PM

hahahaha he does yell that ALL THA TIME, LITERALLY. i thought i was the only one who noticed it. I just laugh at it now

You're not the only one that notices it. A bunch of people have gotten really tired of it.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:21 PM

Not even a question anymore. This performance against Golden State is downright pathetic and is a message by the players that they want Porter out or they want out.

ElNono

02-04-2009, 11:32 PM

GS is on pace for 75 point at the half...

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:39 PM

GS is on pace for 75 point at the half...

Closer to 80.

Xylus

02-04-2009, 11:40 PM

This team should be DESTROYING at least 80% of the league. I'm getting tired of this bullshit.

Ghazi

02-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Still a winnable game.

Ghazi

02-04-2009, 11:42 PM

The Warriors are not as bad as their record. 2 games lost on buzzer beaters, way more road games than home games, and just recently, a fluke loss to the Spurs assisted by the whistles.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:43 PM

O G-State went scoreless in the last 2 minutes so 72 points. So much better.

Xylus

02-04-2009, 11:45 PM

Thompson

02-04-2009, 11:47 PM

Since y'all aren't going anywhere anyway, see if Grant Hill would like to come over to S.A. for Udoka. You owe him that much.

CubanMustGo

02-04-2009, 11:48 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:49 PM

I'm not watching the game right now, so maybe you can inform me, DOK.

Why does Shaq only have 5 shot attempts? Are the Warriors denying him the ball? Is he just not getting much involvement in the offense?

Biedrins can't guard Shaq.

I can't even describe it. It seems like they aren't passing him the ball, like everyone else has succumbed to the bullshit that Shaq getting a lot of touches is hurting the team.

Barnes is playing horrible because he's clearly trying to drop 30 on his old team and forcing dumb shots.

Nash idk what his deal is, poor guy looks lost.

LB, Shaq and Grant are the 3 players on this team playing like they give a shit. That's the problem. Captain jack is picking this team apart off the dribble, even bad porn is playing well.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:50 PM

Since y'all aren't going anywhere anyway, see if Grant Hill would like to come over to S.A. for Udoka. You owe him that much.

They should trade him to the team of his choice. I've said this multiple times.

IronMexican

02-04-2009, 11:53 PM

Hill for Vlad.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:53 PM

Captain Jack should change his name to Captain Magic the way he's playing tonight.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-04-2009, 11:54 PM

Hill for Vlad.

No we don't want his contract, any one year deal the Suns owe that much to Hill, even if he choses the Lakers.

Brickhouse

02-05-2009, 12:11 AM

game is far from over. GS better not fuck this up again.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 12:17 AM

game is far from over. GS better not fuck this up again.

They won't, everytime they hand it to Phoenix, Phoenix gives it right back. Even if Phoenix wins tonight season is still over.

Xylus

02-05-2009, 12:18 AM

GS isn't going to lose this one.

Brickhouse

02-05-2009, 12:19 AM

Mavs could use Big Snaq. Imagine a Center who could actually catch the ball and finish. :wow

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 12:23 AM

here comes Amaretard's garbage time domination. Watch in awe.

Xylus

02-05-2009, 12:26 AM

I hope the Warriors drop 150 on us tonight.

Anything to force Kerr's hand.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 12:28 AM

I hope the Warriors drop 150 on us tonight.

Anything to force Kerr's hand.

agreed, I hope Amare gets ejected to get more people to hop on the Trade Amare Express.

Findog

02-05-2009, 12:31 AM

Our beloved 66ers are 6-19 and 12 games behind first-place Austin in the Southwest Division standings. Should we trade Chris Richard for Pops Mensah Bonsu?

Ghazi

02-05-2009, 12:31 AM

lol

IronMexican

02-05-2009, 12:31 AM

:lmao

Xylus

02-05-2009, 12:32 AM

There's a deal on the table, Findog for a backup PG and 2 first-round draft picks.

Sorry man, it's a business.

Findog

02-05-2009, 12:34 AM

There's a deal on the table, Findog for a backup PG and 2 first-round draft picks.

Sorry man, it's a business.

You can't take it personally

m33p0

02-05-2009, 12:38 AM

i don't think they should. they have shown they can be competitive when healthy.
thing is, health is a big big issue when you talk about the rockets.

Xylus

02-05-2009, 12:39 AM

You can't take it personally

I'm sure you're really excited to play for your new team, with a new coach, and new teammates. You had some great times in Dallas, but you have to look ahead to the future, y'knowutimeen?

Lars

02-05-2009, 12:41 AM

Tonights game was weird. You had Yao leaving the court to go vomit/diaria(sp?) then coming back only to leave again, you had the Grizzlies shooting lights out. It was actually kinda funny. 2nd night of a b2b on the road, so I am not too worried about it. Some shitty teams really seem to have our number this year (Grizz, Phi, Ind).

Rockets have a bad habit of playing to the level of thier opponents, which makes for too many close games and lost leads. Not too bad though, because even our GM/coach are trying to avoid the 4th/5th seeds. They were quoted in the paper as saying they would like to avoid the Lakers LOL. So I guess a few losses keeps us where we need to be?

stretch

02-05-2009, 12:44 AM

:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant
:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant

Ghazi

02-05-2009, 12:44 AM

Warriors depth/talent at 2/3 is stacked.

Ghazi

02-05-2009, 12:45 AM

Where the hell is Rogue tonight? I need his game thoughts

Findog

02-05-2009, 12:45 AM

I like cussing, getting drunk on whiskey, and fooling around with loose women.

Lars

02-05-2009, 12:51 AM

Whats Nash's value to the Suns atm, because we need to get rid of Rafer ASAP.

m33p0

02-05-2009, 12:57 AM

:yield on :yield

IronMexican

02-05-2009, 12:59 AM

I started the first spoof, but Fin took the cake.

monosylab1k

02-05-2009, 01:00 AM

I like dinosaurs, guns, and my penis.

Xylus

02-05-2009, 01:00 AM

I'd throw in the towel, but I'm not wearing anything underneath.

:bking

Xylus

02-05-2009, 01:02 AM

Whats Nash's value to the Suns atm, because we need to get rid of Rafer ASAP.

Nash still has a lot of trade value. Not as much as he did two years ago, but it would take a lot more than Rafer to get that deal done. And since the Rockets aren't drafting high anytime soon, it's next to impossible.

Findog

02-05-2009, 01:02 AM

I like dinosaurs, guns, and my penis.

I like steak
I like pizza

dirk4mvp

02-05-2009, 01:03 AM

I was hoping I could trade World at War back for Call of duty 4.

Lars

02-05-2009, 01:03 AM

Obviously it wouldnt be Rafer for Nash straight up lol. McGrady + Rafer for Nash/Barbosa ?!? (please)

TDMVPDPOY

02-05-2009, 01:05 AM

captain jax with a fukn triple double.....30pts 11rebs 10ast

fuckn awesome

Xylus

02-05-2009, 01:05 AM

Obviously it wouldnt be Rafer for Nash straight up lol. McGrady + Rafer for Nash/Barbosa ?!? (please)

I think if the Suns do make a trade, they're going to deal with teams with a lot of youth. Teams like Memphis, Chicago, or Portland.

lurker

02-05-2009, 01:06 AM

It was clear from the start that Porter wasn't gelling with the players, especially Nash. I don't know why Kerr needed those closed door meetings with players when he could just read the comments they've been making to the press for months now and get the same story. :lol

lil_penny

02-05-2009, 01:13 AM

doesnt look likely they seem to be doing really good as of late.

SenorSpur

02-05-2009, 01:25 AM

I can't even describe it. It seems like they aren't passing him the ball, like everyone else has succumbed to the bullshit that Shaq getting a lot of touches is hurting the team.

Barnes is playing horrible because he's clearly trying to drop 30 on his old team and forcing dumb shots.

Nash idk what his deal is, poor guy looks lost.

LB, Shaq and Grant are the 3 players on this team playing like they give a shit. That's the problem. Captain jack is picking this team apart off the dribble, even bad porn is playing well.

Who is Bad Porn?

BlackSwordsMan

02-05-2009, 01:26 AM

amare for a bag of chips?

bostonguy

02-05-2009, 02:37 AM

:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant
:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant

Why? More importantly how?:rolleyes

DrHouse

02-05-2009, 03:07 AM

As soon as you change your ugly ass avatar.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 03:25 AM

Who is Bad Porn?

Corey Magette; thats a nickname Golden State fans have given him because he's such a disappointment.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 03:26 AM

amare for a bag of chips?

That would have to be one fuckin nasty bag of chips.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 03:27 AM

As soon as you change your ugly ass avatar.

:lmao

Regardless of how annoying I find a lot of your comments, that was hilarious.

Kori Ellis

02-05-2009, 03:43 AM

This is now the official throwing in the towel thread.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 03:57 AM

This is now the official throwing in the towel thread.

Awesome, thanks. We needed some organization to the towel throwing, it was getting out of hand.

Towelie

02-05-2009, 07:00 AM

Someone ask for a towel?

White Flag

02-05-2009, 07:20 AM

just wave if you need me.

pauls931

02-05-2009, 09:14 AM

Whats Nash's value to the Suns atm, because we need to get rid of Rafer ASAP.

Nash is like fine caviar, then you throw in a couple turds (porter,kerr) and hope the customer (the fans) doesn't notice.

I feel bad for the guy, almost to the point that I hope he gets traded to an organization with their act together. I'd prefer to have him stay, but man they're messing things up bad for the team and fans.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

02-05-2009, 09:25 AM

Nash is like fine caviar, then you throw in a couple turds (porter,kerr) and hope the customer (the fans) doesn't notice.

I feel bad for the guy, almost to the point that I hope he gets traded to an organization with their act together. I'd prefer to have him stay, but man they're messing things up bad for the team and fans.

I would feel bad for him if I felt he was doing everything in his power to save the season.....and based off his refusal to give a more traditional offense a chance and making Porter's job impossible from the very beginning.....it's hard for me to feel sorry for him. It seems like having fun is more important than winning to lil Stevie.