Ginsburg has Cancer

[Bartleby]

(Now things are going to get really interesting.)

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Hospitalized for Cancer

By Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 5, 2009; 2:19 PM

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg today underwent surgery for pancreatic cancer at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, according to a statement released by the court.

Ginsburg had no symptoms from the illness, apparently caught at an "early stage" during a routine checkup late last month, the court statement said.

Court officials said that a CT scan administered at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda detected a small tumor, "approximately 1 cm across, in the center of the pancreas."

At his regular news briefing, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters this afternoon that President Obama "has not talked with the justice, but his thoughts and prayers are with her and her family right now."

The justice, 75, has served on the court for 15 years, after being appointed by President Bill Clinton. Legal scholars consider Ginsburg a reliable liberal vote, and in her time on the bench she has fostered warm relationships with colleagues who espouse more conservative legal views.

Ginsburg will be hospitalized for another week to 10 days, attending surgeon Murray Brennan told court officials. Nine years ago, the justice was diagnosed with colon cancer, and she followed a regimen of radiation and chemotherapy.

Disclosure of her new illness comes only weeks into an Obama administration that is still finding its legal foothold. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has been serving in his post since Tuesday, and Elena Kagan, who has been nominated as the administration's chief representative before the Supreme Court, is scheduled to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee next week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020501695.html?hpid=topnews

[Winehole23]

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Ms. Ginsburg.

[FromWayDowntown]

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Ms. Ginsburg.

Agreed. I'm glad to hear that it appears the cancer was caught in an early stage. I hope her recovery will be both speedy and complete.

I have an affinity in my heart for Justice Ginsburg that has nothing to do with politics or personality. I was involved in a case in the Fifth Circuit and made a specific argument in that case that I thought was pretty good. Nobody else, apparently did, and when a DC firm took over to prepare the case for SCOTUS, they omitted my pet argument. When SCOTUS granted certiorari, we went to hear the oral argument of the case. During oral argument, Justice Ginsburg raised a question based on my pet argument in the court below and wondered why the argument hadn't been made in the Supreme Court. It was, perhaps, the best moment of my professional career.

[Winehole23]

Wow. That's a feather in your cap. Bet it was neat to be there too.

[balli]

That's a bummer.

As an aside Sandra Day O'Conner stepped aside because her husband was dying of alzheimer's and she wanted to be able to help. It turns out she wasn't able to do much and he had to be moved to assisted living anyway. One of Sandra Day O'Conner's defining moments was bitch slapping the shit out of Sam Alito in a 1991 case that he had presided over as an appeals judge. She openly loathes his judicial views. And he's the guy who replaced her. And she now deeply regrets giving up her seat while Bush was in office. It's one of the unsung and deeply affecting tragedies of the Bush years IMO.

[balli]

Oh God... This is pancreatic? She's done for; nobody beats that shit.

[SnakeBoy]

Oh God... This is pancreatic? She's done for; nobody beats that shit.

Yeah she most likely is done for. My mother in law went through the same thing. Caught it early, had surgery followed by chemo. She lasted 14 months.

There's a reason you won't find many pancreatic cancer survivor support groups.

[doobs]

That's a bummer.

As an aside Sandra Day O'Conner stepped aside because her husband was dying of alzheimer's and she wanted to be able to help. It turns out she wasn't able to do much and he had to be moved to assisted living anyway. One of Sandra Day O'Conner's defining moments was bitch slapping the shit out of Sam Alito in a 1991 case that he had presided over as an appeals judge. She openly loathes his judicial views. And he's the guy who replaced her. And she now deeply regrets giving up her seat while Bush was in office. It's one of the unsung and deeply affecting tragedies of the Bush years IMO.

Do you know her personally or something?

The case you're referring to is Casey. Alito dissented in part from the panel's decision to uphold most of the notification and consent requirements, because he wished to uphold the spousal notification requirement. At the Supreme Court, O'Connor wrote the plurality opinion reaffirming Roe and, yes, substantially disagreeing with Alito and the rest of the 3rd Circuit panel. And in a confusing flurry of dissents and concurrences, the Court effectively made new law and further muddied our abortion jurisprudence. But no one "bitch slapped" anyone. If there was any "bitch slapping" at all, it was among the Justices.

By the way, O'Connor herself was pretty much opposed to Roe for many years. At the time, many thought the Court would overturn Roe because of all the conservatives on the Court. She surprised a lot of people.

You know, abortion is just one issue, and it's an issue that O'Connor had trouble with over the years. She was inconsistent. OK, so she disagreed with Alito in 1991. BFD. What makes you think she "openly loathes his judicial views" or that "she now deeply regrets giving up her seat"? Over a single issue, like abortion? Please. This is Sandy baby, Rehnquist's girl, the federalism-loving and commerce-clause-limiting Republican, who sided with the majority in Bush v. Gore . . . do you really think she would have preferred a Gore or Kerry or Obama appointee?

So tell me more about this "deeply affecting tragedy"?

[FreeMason]

ownage.


edit: Not the cancer, that sucks.

[ChumpDumper]

Does doobs know her personally?

[doobs]

Does doobs know her personally?

Did I say she openly loathes Alito's views, or that his appointment was a deeply affecting tragedy? Or can you shed some light on this?

[ChumpDumper]

Did I say she openly loathes Alito's views, or that his appointment was a deeply affecting tragedy? Or can you shed some light on this?So your answer is no.

Why can't you guys just answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or no?

[Winehole23]

So your answer is no.

Why can't you guys just answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or no?He doesn't know either; he just asked you for guidance.

Did O'Connor really say that she hates Alito's guts, or that she regrets stepping down?

Or is that all on ballijuana?

[ChumpDumper]

I'd ask for quotes in that instance.

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm glad they caught it early.
Perhaps she'll be one who beats this particular cancer.

[boutons_]

IIRC, 5-year mortality rate is 90%+, as bad as stomach, head/neck, lung cancer.

She survived colon cancer. horrible to have to go thru it once, but again? horrible-er.

Good luck.

[balli]

I can't really substantiate it. I may have heard all of this during a Fresh Air interview with Jefferey Toobin, but I'm too lazy to listen to the entire interview again in order to confirm my suspicions. I don't know, I'm just talking based on marijuana hazed recollections and thus could be wrong, so believe me or not, but I will say I remembered the Casey case, so it stands that the other facts I connect to said person, based on the same experiential source, would be right as well.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14505105

And I didn't say that O'Conner hated Alito- I said she regretted her decision to retire and openly loathed his judicial views (meaning she spoke frankly about them, at least to Toobin, a journalist, if that is indeed the source I'm thinking of.)

If there was any "bitch slapping" at all, it was among the Justices.
Obviously that's what I meant. It's not like I thought this was a watershed moment for the American public.

[doobs]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ginsburg retired VERY soon.


I can't really substantiate it. I may have heard all of this during a Fresh Air interview with Jefferey Toobin, but I'm too lazy to listen to the entire interview again in order to confirm my suspicions. I don't know, I'm just talking based on marijuana hazed recollections and thus could be wrong, so believe me or not, but I will say I remembered the Casey case, so it stands that the other facts I connect to said person, based on the same experiential source, would be right as well.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14505105

And I didn't say that O'Conner hated Alito- I said she regretted her decision to retire and openly loathed his judicial views (meaning she spoke frankly about them, at least to Toobin, a journalist, if that is indeed the source I'm thinking of.)

Fair enough. Thanks for the link. I actually read this book a while back, but I can't really remember it very well. It was pretty forgettable---like an UsWeekly account of the Supreme Court. Jeffrey Toobin is a bit of a hack, in my opinion. He even says in the interview, in response to a question about whether he has interviewed O'Connor and how he has developed his views on O'Connor, "you just have to trust me on this." Come on.

No matter what Toobin says, I still really doubt the notion that O'Connor loathes Alito's judicial views or regrets her retirement because of him. That's just absurd. She has a heck of a lot more in common with Alito than with, say, Justice Ginsburg or Justice Breyer or Justice Souter or Justice Stevens. The only issue that Toobin and others latch on to is abortion. That's it. Abortion.

Because of abortion and her occasional purely results-oriented decisions, O'Connor developed a reputation as a moderate swing-voter. On some issues, sure that's correct. But above all, she was a conservative. (Just not a Clarence Thomas conservative.)

Look, it's no mistake that O'Connor retired when a Republican was president and Congress was controlled by Republicans. I seriously doubt that whatever disagreements she had with Bush would have made her inclined to risk a Democratic appointment to the Court.


Obviously that's what I meant. It's not like I thought this was a watershed moment for the American public.

Well, you said she "bitch slapped the shit out of" Alito. He was not on the Supreme Court at the time. (For the most part, it only really ever gets nasty on the Court when Scalia starts throwing down challenges to his colleagues.) Aside from the occasional 9th Circuit absurdity, the Supreme Court is extremely respectful to the lower courts, even when the lower courts thumb their noses at Supreme Court precedent. So, no, she didn't "bitch slap" Alito. She just wrote the plurality opinion in a case where the Court disagreed with him.

[Wild Cobra]

I hope she is at peace with the situation. She probably won't live much longer. Although I disagree with her decisions, I would never wish her harm. I think she should step soon and get her affairs in order.

I'd like to point out two things. Not a single conservative has spoken words of joy over her situation. Look at what liberals do when such a thing applies to a conservative. There are far more evil minded liberals than conservatives.

As for the appointment president Obama most certainly will be making. At least it's hard to get someone farther to the left than justice Ginsburg.

[Bartleby]

I'd like to point out two things. Not a single conservative has spoken words of joy over her situation. Look at what liberals do when such a thing applies to a conservative. There are far more evil minded liberals than conservatives.


Way to keep above the fray, WC.

[FromWayDowntown]

Yeah, I got warm fuzzies over the well wishes from the right for Senator Kennedy.

[LnGrrrR]

Way to keep above the fray, WC.

:rollin

[DarkReign]

Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm linked to replace Ginsburg (http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090206/POLITICS/902060417)

Yuck. She was the former state DA and helped Biden prepare to debate Palin.

[Wild Cobra]

Way to keep above the fray, WC.
I don't try to here, but I don't kick people when they're down either. I was making an observation that many liberal here will be openly happy when a republican or conservative is in bad health, or dying.

Am I wrong?

[Shastafarian]

I don't try to here, but I don't kick people when they're down either. I was making an observation that many liberal here will be openly happy when a republican or conservative is in bad health, or dying.

Am I wrong?

My God Man!

Yes, you are wrong.

[Winehole23]

I don't try to here, but I don't kick people when they're down either. I was making an observation that many liberal here will be openly happy when a republican or conservative is in bad health, or dying.

Am I wrong?The search function is your friend. I know you prefer the PFA method, but you could easily prove this if you wanted to.

Instead, you're asking us yet again to back up your weak bullshit about libs having a monopoly on insensitivity and bad morals.

Remember: The hypothesis may be considered successful if no more than 50% of the data must be discarded to keep it. :lol

[balli]

The only instance I can think of where one party has heaped death-wishes on an already dying politician happened recently, when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed. I seem to remember quite a few republicans kicking dirt on his soon to be filled grave.

And I'm not saying that it hasn't happened in other instances, but from what I can recall off the top of my head, Republicans are the only posters who have displayed such despicable behavior.

[Winehole23]

The only instance I can think of where one party has heaped death-wishes on an already dying politician happened recently, when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed. I seem to remember quite a few republicans kicking dirt on his soon to be filled grave.

And I'm not saying that it hasn't happened in other instances, but from what I can recall off the top of my head, Republicans are the only posters who have displayed such despicable behavior.I doubt it. Reversing WC's bad proposition doesn't improve its truth content IMO.

[balli]

Like I said, I'm not saying it hasn't happened in other instances. In fact, I'd bet it has (with dems being culpable). Just off the top of my head though, the only time I remember anything of the sort, was a couple months ago with Teddy.

Anyways, I only say so refute cobra's ass ignorant proclamation that only a democrat would be evil enough to badmouth a dying politician.

[FromWayDowntown]

There is, I suspect, ample evidence in the archives to show that posters who lean to the left can, in some instances, wish true ill on persons who act from the political right and that posters who lean to the right can, in some instances, wish true ill on persons who act from the political left.

It's absurd, IMO, to think that's a one-way street or that one side is better about it than the other.

[clambake]

some of our troops in iraq that had expressed their opposition to the war were KIA.

wild cobra said it was karma.

i can't believe anyone would show this piece of shit respect of any kind.

[balli]

Is that true? Of course it is. Cobra- you're a monster. And a bad American.

[Winehole23]

t's absurd, IMO, to think that's a one-way street or that one side is better about it than the other.Assuming the other side is devoid of honor and goodwill ruins the conversation.

[balli]

Assuming the other side is devoid of honor and goodwill ruins the conversation.
The cynic in me says both sides are lacking in honor and goodwill. At least amongst the fringes.

I should have mentioned it earlier, but think how often liberal posters have advocated Bush's assassination, harm, etc. Hell, I'll admit it, nothing would make me happier than turning on the news to find out Bush caught a .45 round to the dome. So I'm no better, but admitting that, I would just argue that yeah, the morality bar has been lowered on both sides.

[Winehole23]

The cynic in me says both sides are lacking in honor and goodwill.This is realistic, even commonplace. And it is why comity, all by itself, is so important in politics. It restrains imperfect people from giving in to their base cynicism about their peers. We gotta fake it til we make it.

We're imperfect, sure. But that's no reason to throw our hands up and quit. The work that needs to be done, right now, is too important to be lost in petty recriminations.

[ClingingMars]

Yeah, I got warm fuzzies over the well wishes from the right for Senator Kennedy.

there were plenty. :wakeup

-Mars

[Wild Cobra]

some of our troops in iraq that had expressed their opposition to the war were KIA.

wild cobra said it was karma.

i can't believe anyone would show this piece of shit respect of any kind.
Fine, but even when you misinterpret the context of my post, I didn't wish them bad will. I was throwing the idea out there if people thought it was Karma. I didn't say it was. You know it you lying sack of shit.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Fine, but even when you misinterpret the context of my post, I didn't wish them bad will. I was throwing the idea out there if people thought it was Karma. I didn't say it was. You know it you lying sack of shit.

how many times are we going to have to hear that you were taken out of context?:lmao

[balli]

And no matter what you meant to convey, cobra, you are not the issue here. Your thesis is that when it comes to illness and death
There are far more evil minded liberals than conservatives.
which is bullshit. Divisive, slanderous, garbage. Par for the course.

[Wild Cobra]

how many times are we going to have to hear that you were taken out of context?:lmao
Are you so stupid that you don't know what a question mark is?

[clambake]

Fine, but even when you misinterpret the context of my post, I didn't wish them bad will. I was throwing the idea out there if people thought it was Karma. I didn't say it was. You know it you lying sack of shit.

not man enough to admit. your son's hang their head in shame.....again.

the maytag repair man has more integrity than you.

and stay away from our washing machines.

[Wild Cobra]

not man enough to admit. your son's hang their head in shame.....again.

the maytag repair man has more integrity than you.

and stay away from our washing machines.
Is there a question mark in my remark, or not?

Come on now. Be honest.

Do you even know what a question mark is?

[FromWayDowntown]

n/m

[Shastafarian]

Is there a question mark in my remark, or not?

Come on now. Be honest.

Do you even know what a question mark is?

You're suggesting it as a cause for their deaths. You're questioning whether it was "kharma" that increased the odds of their deaths. You're an asshat.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1957235&postcount=2

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77558&highlight=kharma

[Wild Cobra]

some of our troops in iraq that had expressed their opposition to the war were KIA.

wild cobra said it was karma.

i can't believe anyone would show this piece of shit respect of any kind.


Fine, but even when you misinterpret the context of my post, I didn't wish them bad will. I was throwing the idea out there if people thought it was Karma. I didn't say it was. You know it you lying sack of shit.
Here is the initial exchange after the news quote:




what are the odds of this happening? RIP.

Bad karhma?

I didn't say "bad karma" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

You guys are morons. After explaining it, you refuse to accept that you interpret my words different as I clearly pointed out later, when brought into question.

I suggest those of you who haven't seen that thread in the past read it and judge for yourself.

[Shastafarian]

I didn't say "bad karma" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

You guys are morons. After explaining it, you refuse to accept that you interpret my words different as I clearly pointed out later, when brought into question.

I suggest those of you who haven't seen that thread in the past read it and judge for yourself.

It's pretty funny how you question people's comprehension of English when you yourself can't understand simple context. Your own context. Hilarious.

[Bartleby]

I didn't say "bad karma" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

You guys are morons. After explaining it, you refuse to accept that you interpret my words different as I clearly pointed out later, when brought into question.

I suggest those of you who haven't seen that thread in the past read it and judge for yourself.

Backpedaling?

[Wild Cobra]

Backpedaling?
How can you say that if you read the thread?

Do you know what a question mark is?

I explained it in the original thread. If that's not good enough, then I'm sorry you have such blinders.

I cannot help but think those who won't let it go as being retarded since I did explain it.

Maybe it's just their unconditional hatred for conservatives or their lack of tolerance.

[Shastafarian]

Backpedaling?

Either he's a liar or he doesn't know how to use punctuation.

[Shastafarian]

How can you say that if you read the thread?

Do you know what a question mark is?


I wonder what caused such a large earthquake.

Tectonic plates?

[Wild Cobra]

Either he's a liar or he doesn't know how to use punctuation.
Call, it that I don't know how to use punctuation if you like, but it's not backpeddling. I have stated before that English was my worse subject in school. There have been other times I used it the same way.

The lack of tolerance for other people writing style is rather alarming. Aren't you guys suppose to be the party of tolerance?

[Bartleby]

Do you know what a question mark is?



Do you?

I didn't say "backpedaling" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

[balli]

I have stated before that English was my worse subject in school.
LMFAO at you cobra.

And BTW, I thought you were an autodidact comparable to Mark Twain? Pfffffffffff

[Wild Cobra]

Do you?

I didn't say "backpedaling" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

LOL...

You got me. I was getting all the same, I just reacted. Sorry.

[Shastafarian]

Call, it that I don't know how to use punctuation if you like, but it's not backpeddling. I have stated before that English was my worse subject in school. There have been other times I used it the same way.

The lack of tolerance for other people writing style is rather alarming. Aren't you guys suppose to be the party of tolerance?

My lack of tolerance is for people denigrating our troops and making light of their deaths. You're an idiot who probably thinks any soldier who criticizes a war they are participating or have participated in doesn't deserve our respect. You can keep spewing your shit here and there for all I care, because you're the one who hates America and Americans and everyone knows it.

[clambake]

is this how you raised your sons?..........such a pity that you've poisoned their minds.


how i weep for your family and others who are exposed to your cancer.

[johnsmith]

This thread is a wonderful example of how gay the political forum has become.

[clambake]

you hate gay's?

[johnsmith]

you hate gay's?

:lol


jerk.

[ChumpDumper]

Here is the initial exchange after the news quote:



I didn't say "bad karma" with a period or exclamation point, but with a question mark.

You guys are morons. After explaining it, you refuse to accept that you interpret my words different as I clearly pointed out later, when brought into question.

I suggest those of you who haven't seen that thread in the past read it and judge for yourself.So why don't you tell us now if you think karma had anything to do with their deaths.

I'll put it in the form of a yes or no question which is bound to terrify:

Do you think karma had anything to do with their deaths? Yes or no.

[Shastafarian]

So why don't you tell us now if you think karma had anything to do with their deaths.

I'll put it in the form of a yes or no question which is bound to terrify:

Do you think karma had anything to do with their deaths? Yes or no.

This leaves him an opening though. If he says, "Yes?" he really doesn't mean yes.

[ChumpDumper]

Good one.

[George Gervin's Afro]

This thread is a wonderful example of how gay the political forum has become.

not that there is anything wrong with that

[Wild Cobra]

My lack of tolerance is for people denigrating our troops and making light of their deaths.

That is not me,m except a rare situation that I think is deserved. I respect most military men and women.


You're an idiot who probably thinks any soldier who criticizes a war they are participating or have participated in doesn't deserve our respect.

No. I think some soldiers are idiots because of the way they criticize. Not necessarily that they criticize. They military, being the largest (or second largest?) bureaucracy created, has it's share of real problems. Were the soldiers too stupid for not knowing what they signed? Maybe they should have simply been kicked out with other than honorable status.


You can keep spewing your shit here and there for all I care, because you're the one who hates America and Americans and everyone knows it.

No, I hate those who call themselves patriotic Americans, but have no idea what the idea of this nation really stand for. Hand-outs should be through charity, not government. This nation was designed to get away from an authoritarian system, and what's happening. Liberals are destroying this great nation through increased government.

Back to the soldiers. They signed the dotted line. There are several common terms in the military. many of them include "grin and bear it." I tell you, I hated some things I had to put up with, but I wasn't a fucked up pussy like those guys obviously were.

[clambake]

antenna farmers calling other people pussies is funny.

[Wild Cobra]

antenna farmers calling other people pussies is funny.

You know, it takes allot of work to get an antenna to grow. They don't just sprout up on their own!

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/RLPsatteliteview.jpg

[clambake]

day labor.

[Wild Cobra]

day labor.
I get it. You hire day laborers... Illegal aliens, and you were so sorry you had to send them back to Mexico, right?

[FromWayDowntown]

So why don't you tell us now if you think karma had anything to do with their deaths.

I'll put it in the form of a yes or no question which is bound to terrify:

Do you think karma had anything to do with their deaths? Yes or no.

Curious that Cobra has come and gone from this thread without bothering to answer such a simple question.

[Winehole23]

He did call them f***** up p*****s, so maybe that's a hint.

[balli]

I tell you, I hated some things I had to put up with, but I wasn't a fucked up pussy like those guys obviously were.
You heard it folks, Cobra just called troops who would dare have their own political agenda "fucked up pussies".

And cobra BTW, you're one of the most fucked up pussies I've ever encountered, on the internet or otherwise.

[Wild Cobra]

So why don't you tell us now if you think karma had anything to do with their deaths.

I'll put it in the form of a yes or no question which is bound to terrify:

Do you think karma had anything to do with their deaths? Yes or no.
No.

Happy?

[Wild Cobra]

He did call them f***** up p*****s, so maybe that's a hint.
Only some are pussies. I saw my share in basic training, and those who made it long enough to be relieved to get out after their first term, hating the military. Took no responsibility of their own in understanding the contract they signed, then constantly cried about how the military was fucking them.

[clambake]

you don't need to comment any more.

we've already concluded the facts.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You heard it folks, Cobra just called troops who would dare have their own political agenda "fucked up pussies".

And cobra BTW, you're one of the most fucked up pussies I've ever encountered, on the internet or otherwise.

Well we do know he hates people who don't pay federal income taxes. Ok, we know he doesn't hate them but he hates that they can actually cast a vote.

[ChumpDumper]

No.

Happy?So why did you introduce the idea of karma in relation to their deaths into the thread?

[Wild Cobra]

So why did you introduce the idea of karma in relation to their deaths into the thread?
You really are daft, aren't you.

How many times have I said I posed it as a question. I'm sorry it was too short to comprehend.

[ChumpDumper]

You really are daft, aren't you.

How many times have I said I posed it as a question. I'm sorry it was too short to comprehend.I am asking why you posed it as a question, introducing the idea of karma in relation to their deaths into the thread.

[Wild Cobra]

Well we do know he hates people who don't pay federal income taxes. Ok, we know he doesn't hate them but he hates that they can actually cast a vote.

You liberals just ignore my points, don't you. Demonrats make poor people dependent on them to the point they have to vote democrat to get the freebies. They do not instill personal growth or ambition.

This nation has lost it's heart. This nation was founded on the freedom to excel. People came over here for opportunity. Not handouts. Once we have the majority of the population enjoying government handouts, we are fucked as a nation.

I do not want people who believe in living off other people money to vote. IO don't mind those who are being helped temporarily by the government in hard time, but the chronic dependent people should not have the right to determining how other peoples money is spent.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

[clambake]

don't forget you're a welfare baby. you still owe us.

and your mom probably voted.

[Wild Cobra]

don't forget you're a welfare baby. you still owe us.

and your mom probably voted.
That is not true. You are either really stupid, or you purposely misinterpreted what I sad.

Show me my quote!

[balli]

You liberals just ignore my points, don't you. Demonrats make poor people dependent on them to the point they have to vote democrat to get the freebies. They do not instill personal growth or ambition.

This nation has lost it's heart. This nation was founded on the freedom to excel. People came over here for opportunity. Not handouts. Once we have the majority of the population enjoying government handouts, we are fucked as a nation.

I do not want people who believe in living off other people money to vote. IO don't mind those who are being helped temporarily by the government in hard time, but the chronic dependent people should not have the right to determining how other peoples money is spent.

Cobra get the fuck out. And I'm not saying that like, if you don't like it leave. I'm saying, you're a piece of shit, get the fuck out. America doesn't need trash like you.

[LnGrrrR]

How can you say that if you read the thread?

Do you know what a question mark is?

I explained it in the original thread. If that's not good enough, then I'm sorry you have such blinders.

I cannot help but think those who won't let it go as being retarded since I did explain it.

Maybe it's just their unconditional hatred for conservatives or their lack of tolerance.

Cmon guys, he was using a Cavuto, as defined by Jon Stewart.

For instance, is Wild Cobra's mother a whore?

I'm not SAYING she is... I'm honestly just asking.

:rolleyes