Fire Porter

[Xylus]

I'm going to post in this topic every day until it happens. Then I can say I called it.

[timvp]

You should put Raja Bell's head on the ref.

[pauls931]

Another vote here. You might need to get rid of Kerr since he'll probably protect porter.

[Chieflion]

Get a new owner?

[pauls931]

Get a new owner?

That probably wouldn't hurt either.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

trade Amaretard.

[pauls931]

trade Amaretard.

For who? Shaq isn't going to last forever.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For who? Shaq isn't going to last forever.

Rebuild. Idk who, but the idea that this team is a coaching change/trade away from contention is something you need to get out of your head.

Everyone should be traded for whatever, that includes Nash. The Heat held the 2008 tankapalooza, the Suns should hold the 2009 tankapalooza.

[pauls931]

Rebuild. Idk who, but the idea that this team is a coaching change/trade away from contention is something you need to get out of your head.

Everyone should be traded for whatever, that includes Nash. The Heat held the 2008 tankapalooza, the Suns should hold the 2009 tankapalooza.

So take a big action without having any idea? Are you sure you're not Steve Kerr?

[FreeMason]

Get a new everything, but keep Kerr.

The Shaq thing would work if Amare and the rest of the situation wasn't so lame.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Kerr is doing a horrible job this year and I'm running out of patience with him (and I've been more than patient with him), but he is getting unfairly judged when people say he took a contender and turned them into this.......he took a team that lost in the 2nd round w/ an owner who wanted to shed payroll and a conference that was improving quickly.

Kerr's first season was 2007-2008. He had no control over LA getting Fisher back & getting Gasol. No control over New Orleans emerging as a top 5 team in the West. No control over Utah slowly getting better every year.

He had little to no ability to deal with Sarver's demand to dump James Jones & KT for nothing and in addition not sign any free agents to a multi-year deal.

He took over after the 2006-2007 season. The Suns didn't win the conference, didn't even make the conference finals. The owner made it impossible for the Suns to improve and was content with them staying the same. Meanwhile, the entire conference was improving. Not Kerr's fault.

[da_suns_fan]

Get a new everything, but keep Kerr.

The Shaq thing would work if Amare and the rest of the situation wasn't so lame.

Of course a Spurs fan wants the Suns to keep Kerr. :lol

When Kerr took over the Suns were a 61-21 team and had just come off the defacto finals (the hip-check series).

He complained about defense and rebounding and then proceeded to trade Kurt Thomas, Diaw, Marion and Bell (which makes up the only players we had who could defend or rebound) for Shaq and J-Rich.

The Suns wont fire Porter. They have the Bush administration philosophy:

"We are never wrong."

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Of course a Spurs fan wants the Suns to keep Kerr. :lol

When Kerr took over the Suns were a 61-21 team and had just come off the defacto finals (the hip-check series).

He complained about defense and rebounding and then proceeded to trade Kurt Thomas, Diaw, Marion and Bell (which makes up the only players we had who could defend or rebound) for Shaq and J-Rich.

The Suns wont fire Porter. They have the Bush administration philosophy:

"We are never wrong."

The Kurt Thomas trade wasn't Kerr's fault. It was Sarver's fault for wanting to shed payroll and it was D'antoni's fault for giving Sarver the idea KT was a useless player.

Marion wanted out, he had become a locker room liability and was playing with no heart. They said on Gambo and Ash yesterday one of the biggest factors in the Marion trade was that Nash was tired of playing with him and having to worry about getting him his touches, and quite frankly I believe Nash. Shaq has been this team's best player this year, that trade was good for the Suns considering the circumstances.

Diaw and Bell were doing nothing when they were traded. Bell was making excuses about why he wasn't playing motivated defense and Boris's alter-ego Doris was back and worse than ever.

There are two extremely stupid things Kerr has done as GM where he had complete control over the situation and it was clearly his fault:

1) Draft Robin Lopez
2) waiting this long to address extreme locker room tension and division when it was clear in November we would reach this point if it wasn't addressed.

[Xylus]

From Coro's Blog today:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/45619

* The most startling things about Golden State's 3-point barrage that buried Phoenix on Wednesday were Terry Porter's postgame comment about Azubuike ("We didn't expect that. He hadn't that many 3s this year," he said of the NBA's third-ranked 3-point shooter) and the lack of adjustments once they started following. It seemed as though the Suns continued to go under screens most of the night and the only real change was a zone against a perimeter shooting team.

[pauls931]

Good lord is that true? Did porter miss out on the GS thrashing of Dallas or every GS game in the last 15 years?

[FreeMason]

I think Kerr "gets it" though. As good as the Suns record was with D'Antoni, they just weren't going to reach the finals.

Once D'Antoni bounced, it was 100% evident most of the players were products of his system. Kerr wants to create a real team but is still having to deal with wrong parts (Nash, Amare).

[Donkeybong]

would the suns take odom and vlad for amare?

[hater]

Kerr should hire Eddie Jordan

[EricB]

I'm honestly shocked at how bad Terry Porter has been. He was a fantastic coach in Milwaukee, and I thought he was a great fit in Phoenix.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

would the suns take odom and vlad for amare?

NEWSFLASH LAKER NATION: if you feel the need to include Vlad in a trade, just leave him out, the other team is more likely to the that exact trade only w/o garbagonovich than with garbagonovich.

And no, I wouldn't do Odom for Amare straight up at this point because it does nothing to help the Suns. I'd rather watch Amare rot in the situation he caused than ride Kobe & Gasol's coat tail's if the Suns aren't getting any young pieces either way.

The only way he's getting traded to a Western conference team is if Memphis is giving Gay, if Portland is giving LaMarcus, or if OKC is giving Jeff Green and Phoenix's 2010 pick back to Phoenix, three things I highly doubt any of those teams will do.

If it winds up being Amare 4 a veteran who won't stay in Phoenix beyond this year & a mediocre 1st round pick, it will be to an Eastern conference team.

[ElNono]

I think Porter has his share of blame, but I honestly think that a great part of the 'Suns debacle' has to do with him having to coach responsibility and accountability to basically a bunch of spoiled kids... I mean, if they really want to change to a respectable defensive team, Nash is the very first that has to go. And it makes no sense to trade Bell if that's your target. So in part the coach is to blame, but I also think management and the players are really high up there in making the wrong moves.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think Kerr "gets it" though. As good as the Suns record was with D'Antoni, they just weren't going to reach the finals.

Once D'Antoni bounced, it was 100% evident most of the players were products of his system. Kerr wants to create a real team but is still having to deal with wrong parts (Nash, Amare).

Problem is the fans are making that as hard as possible for Kerr. The fans fell in love with small ball because it was "fun" and refuse to accept that it wouldn't win a title.

It's also because a lot of these bandwagon idiots didn't know what basketball was prior to 2004, so they say stupid stuff like, "Shaq is making this team horrible," or, "There's no point in trying to improve on defense if you know you suck at it."

[ClingingMars]

When Kerr took over the Suns were a 61-21 team and had just come off the defacto finals (the hip-check series).

:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think Porter has his share of blame, but I honestly think that a great part of the 'Suns debacle' has to do with him having to coach responsibility and accountability to basically a bunch of spoiled kids...

:tu


true statement. Try coaching a group of bitches more concerned with their gorilla game, being THE MAN, and having more "fun" than winning a title and improving on defense. Keep in mind this group also had 4 years with little accountability and extremely easy practices so they reacted negatively when they were forced to play a traditional practice. D'antoni has his strengths as a coach and is an offensive genius, but he had several major weaknesses which led to a culture of complacency and irresponsibility that the team will need several years to get rid of.

[urunobili]

Kerr should hire Eddie Jordan

Hopefully he wont... :downspin:

[Xylus]

C'mon Kerr, I'm not getting any younger, you fucker.

Fire Porter.

[Red Hawk #21]

Fire Porter!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

C'mon Kerr, I'm not getting any younger, you fucker.

Fire Porter.

Xylus, settle down on Kerr, little to none of this is his fault. We are stuck with Porter until his contract runs out, regardless of whether or not Kerr wants him fired, there is no way Sarver will fire him and keep paying his salary.

For all we know, Kerr had to settle on Porter because Sarver gave him a certain annual amount he was willing to pay the coach and was unwilling to pay more for a coach like Avery Johnson.

[Ghazi]

Porter's doing a fine job for his Suns this year, not his fault the players suck and the owner is cheap and left him with a shit roster.

How come every "underachieving" team pins it on the coach? This is a players league after all. Yeahhh, can't blame it on Porter that Amare is scoring 5 less points this year despite 3-4 more minutes. I'll take Porter's Bball IQ over Amare's any day of the week.

Yeah... not Porter's fault his players play with no heart and are incapable of being great defensively.

The offense is still there, it's not as good as it was during D'Antoni's reign but its still there... the players are heartless and play no defense, that's why theres that many losses (23).

So yeah... Porter may not be the best coach, but people said Doc Rivers sucked before last year as well. What happened? The Celtics got good players and won it all, its a players league. If it was a coaches league Pop and Jackson would win it all every year, but they dont. Even then, they needed Duncan, Kobe/Shaq, and Jordan/Pippen.... yeah there are no Duncans, Jordans, or Shaqs on the Suns right now.

Also, Avery Johnson sucks but won a title in 2006.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Also, Avery Johnson sucks but won a title in 2006.

Get over it.

[Ghazi]

I have, just stating a fact, and making a point about how coaching is an overrated aspect of basketball.

Avery has beaten Pop in a series and Doc Rivers has beaten Zenmaster in a series... as did D'Antoni.

A coach can take a team to great heights, but only if the pieces are in place. They aren't in PhX.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I have, just stating a fact, and making a point about how coaching is an overrated aspect of basketball.

Avery has beaten Pop in a series and Doc Rivers has beaten Zenmaster in a series... as did D'Antoni.

A coach can take a team to great heights, but only if the pieces are in place. They aren't in PhX.

I agree to some extent, however the issue of Porter vs. team clearly can't be thrown under a rug anymore and needs to be addressed. It's not like a team where the players and coach get along but just isn't performing, there's a clear inability to co-exist between the players and coach.

I say get rid of the coach and players, but most people are saying dump Porter and keep the players.

[Ghazi]

Sarver needs to quit his job, the coach needs to be fired, and Phoenix needs to have a firesale. Trade Shaq, trade Amare, trade Nash and stockpile on young talent and draft picks.

Endure 3-4 50-60 loss seasons in pursuit of the next superstar coming out of college.

It worked for San Antonio, it's gonna work for Cleveland, it's the reason Orlando seems to have a bright future, and its the reason Boston had assets to make its Fake 3.

The chances of becoming elite are usually greater when you're really bad than when you're mediocre.

Short term bad for potential long term good.

Quite frankly, a lot of teams should follow the same route but the goals of a franchise are usually more complex than winning a championship.

The best 4 teams in the league now... Los Angeles, Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland... the reason they're all elite now is because at some point in the past 5 years they were completely irrelevant.

Cleveland needed a 17 win season to get Lebron

Orlando sucked, got #1 pick, got HOward

Boston was irrelevant for a while allowing for assets to acquire Fake 3.

Lakers had 3 very mediocre seasons... but it did result in the drafting of Bynum... the Gasol trade was a fluke anomaly though.

The Suns aren't completely irrelevant, they're squarely mediocre. And it's hard to get better when this is teh case

A team can go from elite to mediocre to bad then back to elite.

But a team rarely goes from elite to mediocre back to elite.

Phoenix needs to expedite the process now.

[Gino]

The Suns wont fire Porter because they would have to eat his contract. They want him to quit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns wont fire Porter because they would have to eat his contract. They want him to quit.

exactly. That was the reason they didn't fire D'antoni when they wanted to, o and they wanted to make it seem like they wanted D'antoni back when anyone with half a brain knows they forced Mike D out of town.

[jack sommerset]

You fire Porter you have to fire Kerr.

[Xylus]

You fire Porter you have to fire Kerr.

Can we fire Sarver, too? Because, really, he's the entire reason we're in this mess to begin with.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Can we fire Sarver, too? Because, really, he's the entire reason we're in this mess to begin with.

Yup.

Kerr is nothing more than Sarver's middle man keeping the media questions away from Sarver and he's also used as Sarver's Sarver's puppet. Almost none of the moves made since Kerr's hiring have been under Kerr's control.

Rudy Fernandez charity - Sarver's decision
Alando Tucker - who cares? It's not like that pick was extremely important
KT & 2 first round picks charity sale - Sarver's decision

No point in continuing this song and dance. Blaming Kerr is exactly what Sarver wants everyone to do.

I just hope he's not preparing to move this team to Vegas.

[Gino]

Yup.

Kerr is nothing more than Sarver's middle man keeping the media questions away from Sarver and he's also used as Sarver's Sarver's puppet. Almost none of the moves made since Kerr's hiring have been under Kerr's control.

Rudy Fernandez charity - Sarver's decision
Alando Tucker - who cares? It's not like that pick was extremely important
KT & 2 first round picks charity sale - Sarver's decision

No point in continuing this song and dance. Blaming Kerr is exactly what Sarver wants everyone to do.

I just hope he's not preparing to move this team to Vegas.

True. Its obvious Kerr was instructed to make most of the moves he's made.

He did approve the trade for Shaq, however. Thats something I still cant get over. I thought Oneal was BURIED in Miami but they were able to dump him off to Phoenix.

In essence, Phoenix is paying for Miami's title.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

True. Its obvious Kerr was instructed to make most of the moves he's made.

He did approve the trade for Shaq, however. Thats something I still cant get over. I thought Oneal was BURIED in Miami but they were able to dump him off to Phoenix.

In essence, Phoenix is paying for Miami's title.

That was a good trade for the Suns, and it's getting annoying hearing people talk about Marion 4 Shaq like it was what killed the Suns. It's not like the core of Marion, Amare and Nash was going anywhere anytime soon.

Incase you didn't notice, O'neal is in the all star game. Marion's body and game is falling apart and he's barely a starter these days.