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RandomGuy
02-11-2009, 10:28 AM
Barack Obama shuns the L-word. But his speeches brim with liberal ideas and ideals. What is it about the doctrine that dare not speak its name?

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AUTHORS who defend liberalism must often struggle just to get the word out without facing incomprehension or abuse—even today. To the left, particularly in Europe, liberalism means the free-market dogma of clever simpletons who created the present financial mess. The American right’s complaint is quite different. Forget that Hamilton, Jefferson and Madison fathered liberalism in the United States. For nigh on 30 years conservative Republicans persuaded American voters that liberals were godless, amoral, tax-happy hypocrites.

Intellectually, little of either charge makes sense. Twinned with “democracy”, as in what the West stood up for during the cold war, “liberal” was a term of pride. Since communism failed, the case for liberal democracy has only strengthened. Think of outstanding alternatives: illiberal Russia, undemocratic China, populist Venezuela, theocratic Iran.

Odder still, put this question to people who live, or would like to live, in a liberal democracy: “Which of the following values do you espouse—personal freedom, rule of law, active but accountable government, free but responsible markets, mutual toleration and equal concern for all?” It is a fair bet that people will tick most or all items on this list. Ask them if they are liberals, on the other hand, and many will turn contemptuously away.

That 20th-century connoisseur of doublespeak, George Orwell, would not have been surprised. Political language, it seems, has taken leave of political facts. Alan Wolfe, a professor of politics at Boston College, thinks it time to reunite them. His welcome and readable essay lays out what he thinks liberalism really amounts to and why it demands support.

Liberal politics, on his account, is rooted in a view of what matters in a human life. A gifted guide, he opens with a brisk Grand Tour of the liberal tradition. Glimpses of leading thinkers and the human values they argued for include Immanuel Kant (moral and intellectual autonomy), Benjamin Constant (protection from arbitrary power) and John Stuart Mill (promotion of human individuality).

The link with politics is that those three values all involve freedom. Whatever else it is, liberalism is about nourishing human liberty. Where liberals disagree is how that fits with a second powerful ideal, equality.

Right-wing liberals contrast “classical”, small-government liberalism and the modern, active-government kind. The one, so they claim, leaves people free while the other wrongly infringes freedom on behalf of equality. That story became popular in the 1970s, both as a history of liberalism and as a view of government’s limits.

Mr Wolfe, like other left-wing liberals, finds the contrast historically inept and conceptually confused. Making enemies of freedom and equality ignores, in his view, the democratic presumption that any one person’s liberty matters as much as the next person’s. It is deaf also to the fact that modern citizens’ freedoms are often limited by big social forces beyond their control. If all citizens are to be free in any effective sense, they require help from countervailing forces. Government is one such force.

If, the argument goes on, you take concern for everyone’s liberty seriously, you will treat the proper scale of government as a matter of circumstance, not principle. At times, government is overweening and ought to be cut back. At others, active government is required to steady markets, help the needy or serve the public good. Put abstractly, government may be called on to foster or restore equal liberty. Pragmatic, socially minded liberalism of that kind underpinned American and British government, from the New Deal until Ronald Reagan, from Clement Attlee to Margaret Thatcher. It seems, from necessity, to be with us again.

Mr Wolfe touches many topics. He defends liberals against the charge that they seek, illiberally, to keep religion and morals out of public life. In his most policy-minded section, he traces how liberal commitment to openness plays out with regard to free speech, immigration and transparent government. He notes the illiberal undertow of what he nicely calls “self-incapacitation books”, or popular-science writing in behavioural economics and evolutionary psychology claiming to show what little part reason and responsibility play in how we behave. He rebuffs the frequent charge that liberals are wobblers or dreamers. The true liberal temper, he tells us, is realistic, ironic and disabused.

Through no fault of Mr Wolfe’s, this fine defence of liberal values risks seeming to lag behind the news. He completed his book before Wall Street imploded, the American economy slumped and Barack Obama won the White House. Whether or not they buy the reasoning behind it, many readers will think Mr Wolfe’s call for active government is now merely pushing at an open door.

Faster than anyone expected, the argument among liberals has shifted. It is no more about active versus limited government, but about what active government should be doing. On that Mr Wolfe could have said more. No one with an open mind, however, can come away from “The Future of Liberalism” treating “liberal” as a term of abuse. Before long, who knows, even Mr Obama may drop his reserve and embrace the word with pride.


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This ought to be interesting.

Cue conservative hacks, enter stage right in 3...2...1...

RandomGuy
02-11-2009, 10:29 AM
Odder still, put this question to people who live, or would like to live, in a liberal democracy: “Which of the following values do you espouse—personal freedom, rule of law, active but accountable government, free but responsible markets, mutual toleration and equal concern for all?”

Hmm. I am a liberal then. Yay.

Winehole23
02-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Thanks for the context, RG. Not too many people are familiar with it. As a result, the historical meaning of these terms have been hollowed out. Now the word sare used to denote party affiliation or else as pejoratives.

Both major parties in the US are basically liberal. The main difference between them is the GOP would like everyone to believe they're classical (19th century) liberals. They're not.

Both parties are activist, big government and corporatist. In a word, both Republican and Democrat are neoliberal.

Classical liberalism is dead, except as political romanticism or ideological misdirection.

Wild Cobra
02-11-2009, 06:18 PM
I am a classic liberal for the most part. However, the idea is no longer what it used to be.

FreeMason
02-11-2009, 08:56 PM
It's too bad many people in this country can't see how their good intentions are being manipulated to harness power and money towards the true agendas of their leaders.

This whole liberal conservative thing is bullshit surface fluff used to keep the people occupied and cheering for one side over the other.

Colombiano972
02-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Today's party system just consists of two Hamiltonian parties vying for power. Its the same shit every other election cycle.

Winehole23
02-11-2009, 10:38 PM
I am a classic liberal for the most part.How gratifying: WC is a lib too.


However, the idea is no longer what it used to be.The idea remains exactly the same; the politics have changed. Instead of liberalism vs. traditional conservatism, we have liberal statism vs. fake conservatism (liberal statism). At least the Dems don't pretend to be something they're not.

Would it be too much to ask you to quit disparaging political liberalism, since it's the basis of American constitutionalism and both major parties? You wouldn't tolerate terminological sloppiness in matters scientific. Why do you do so in politics?

Liberalism is just fine. It's the goddam Democrats you hate. Why keep dragging liberalism through the mud? Every time you do it, you disparage your own intellectual pedigree.

Face it, WC: the status quo ante you would restore is the classic definition of political liberalism. Yes, this makes you a nominal conservative, but keep in mind that in the 19th century you would not have been conservative at all with this outlook. Your basic orientation is liberal and cosmopolitan, not traditional and communitarian. Vive la difference.

Robinzine
02-12-2009, 12:52 AM
Obama is not a liberal. He's a socialist. Democracy and the free market died today.

Homeland Security
02-12-2009, 08:24 AM
That picture at the top expresses what liberalism is all about -- moral depravity. Look at that ho running around topless!

You people need strong authority to keep you under control and protect you from yourselves. Enlightened nobles like me are supposed to rule over you.

Classical liberalism inevitably leads to socialism because people figure out they can vote themselves money, i.e. MY money. The corrective action is for us to use our coercive force to set you straight, i.e. by killing some of you, so the rest of you understand your proper place.

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 09:24 AM
I am a classic liberal for the most part. However, the idea is no longer what it used to be.

:lmao

(wipes coffee from computer screen)

Dude, you are less a "classical liberal" than a "cranky liberal", with an emphasis on the "crank".

Mild ball bustin' aside, liberalism as I understand it lends itself to pragmatism. How are you and/or your views pragmatic?

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Look at that ho running around topless!

Give me boobies, or give me death!

Ask not what you can do for boobies, ask what boobies can do for you.

We hold these boobies to be self-evident...

I see boobies, you see boobies, and pretty soon the whole world will see boobies...

It depends on what your defintion of boobies is...

I did not have sexual relations with those boobies...

Man, that was fun. Early morning coffee is done, tho' time to get to work.

doobs
02-12-2009, 11:46 AM
The point: "liberal" is an awful word to use when describing left-wing Democrats. Sure, some left-wing Democrats are truly liberal, but many are not. "Progressive" is a better word to use--not because I agree with the notion that left-wing policies are "progressive" but because the term doesn't confuse anyone.

I consider myself to be "liberal" because I believe the government should leave us alone as much as possible, in all aspects of life. I favor low taxes, spending restraint, and the abolition of several federal agencies--because the federal government just grows and grows and grows, and intrudes into our lives more and more. I believe strongly in the checks and balances and the federalism in the Constitution, because I believe the people are best served by a government whose power is limited and divided. I also support gay marriage and a woman's right to choose, because I dislike the government interfering in private matters.

In fact, even though I generally vote Republican, I consider myself to be far more liberal--both personally and politically--than many of my Democratic friends. They believe, generally, in a strong state that "helps" poor people and dictates how everyone should live their lives. They want a state strong enough to "manage" the economy, and they want "rich fat cats" to be punished for making a profit. That's not liberalism. That's statism.

Wild Cobra
02-12-2009, 12:11 PM
The point: "liberal" is an awful word to use when describing left-wing Democrats. Sure, some left-wing Democrats are truly liberal, but many are not. "Progressive" is a better word to use--not because I agree with the notion that left-wing policies are "progressive" but because the term doesn't confuse anyone.

I consider myself to be "liberal" because I believe the government should leave us alone as much as possible, in all aspects of life. I favor low taxes, spending restraint, and the abolition of several federal agencies--because the federal government just grows and grows and grows, and intrudes into our lives more and more. I believe strongly in the checks and balances and the federalism in the Constitution, because I believe the people are best served by a government whose power is limited and divided. I also support gay marriage and a woman's right to choose, because I dislike the government interfering in private matters.

In fact, even though I generally vote Republican, I consider myself to be far more liberal--both personally and politically--than many of my Democratic friends. They believe, generally, in a strong state that "helps" poor people and dictates how everyone should live their lives. They want a state strong enough to "manage" the economy, and they want "rich fat cats" to be punished for making a profit. That's not liberalism. That's statism.
Well said. Government is a necessary evil. We don't want any more of it than necessary. Why 'progressives' think we need more of it, I simply cannot understand.

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 05:23 PM
Well said. Government is a necessary evil. We don't want any more of it than necessary. Why 'progressives' think we need more of it, I simply cannot understand.


Aye, there's the rub.

How much is "necessary"?

It is necessary to keep people from starving to death or becoming homeless if they lose a job or get sick?

Is it necessary for companies to submit to federal inspections for various things? OSHA for workplace abuses? FDA for salmonella?

Is it necessary to have an FBI? Ron Paul, idol of many, doesn't think so.

Wherein is the line?

Is it necessary for government to rule on property laws?

You might not be familiar with water issues, being in a very rainy state, but I can assure you that the issue of "capture" is definitely something that concerns Texans, the majority of which live in chronically dry areas, and droughts are getting worse.

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 05:26 PM
I think the big thing that a lot of non-progressives fail to really conceptualize is how inter-related we really are.

If I run a small company, and one of my big suppliers, another small company, goes under because the owner couldn't afford to pay his medical bills, then there is a ripple effect of his lack of health insurance to me, and my customers.

Is it then in my interest to make sure that he has health insurance?

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 05:28 PM
If I go to an emergency room with my health insurance, the hospital MUST charge my health insurance company enough to cover for all the uninsured that they treat. That health insurance company then turns around and charges me enough in premiums to cover that.

In essence, I am already paying for health care for the uninsured.

Is it then my concern if people don't have health insurance? Is it necessary for the government to provide insurance (not the health care itself mind you, just the insurance)?

Aye, there's the rub.

RandomGuy
02-12-2009, 05:33 PM
Is it necessary to provide social programs for potential felons?

Drug treatment costs MUCH less than incarceration.

Job training for high school drop out costs MUCH less than incarceration.

There are 2.3 MILLION people behind bars in this country, and people don't bat an eyelash about spending tax money on that, but ask them to fund things that migh actually keep those people out of jail in the first place, like say, free mental health care/hospitals for the crazies that ALWAYs end up in jails, and people wring their hands like its the end of the fucking world.

I am for what works, and government is not always THE answer to problems, but more often than people like WC would admit it is the ONLY answer to some problems. Unless you can show me a profit model for treating indigent schizophrenics that completely relies on the free market...