Jermaine O'Neal & Moon to the Heat for Shawn Marion & Banks

[Girasuck]

Just announced on Sportscenter.

[BruceBowenFan]

ok so i did hear that right.

[RedsLakers24]

did the trade happen or is it a rumor?

[monosylab1k]

wow that trade makes both teams worse.

[Girasuck]

The trade happened. It was breaking news announced on Sportscenter just now.

[MarHill]

I guess Miami got their big man now!!!

[IronMexican]

Shitty trade for both teams.

[monosylab1k]

I guess Miami got their big man now!!!

I hope they enjoy all 12 games he'll play the rest of the season.

[sribb43]

Marion hit the game winning dunk last night and this is how they treat the guy...:lol

[sribb43]

i guess Calangelo still likes Marion back from his PHX days

[ManuTP9]

Marion ended his Heat career with a game winning dunk last night! haha great way to end it

[lil_penny]

at least marion got a game winner and a hug from wade on the way out.

[sribb43]

at least marion got a game winner and a hug from wade on the way out.

Wade probably will invite him to some of his parties now

[balli]

I'd be pissed if I were Miami. O'Neal comes off the books for 2010 right? Which is why they did it, but fuck, O'Neal's finished.


i guess Calangelo still likes Marion back from his PHX days
I do too. If I'm Toronto I'm ecstatic over this. O'Neal comes off the books, Marion might walk, but who cares, O'Neal's gone. I wish the Jazz could have done this with Boozer.

[JamStone]

wow that trade makes both teams worse.

+1

At least Miami got rid of Marcus Banks' contract though.

[MarHill]

Yeah, I just saw it on Sportscenter!

Ric Bucher is coming on shortly to break it down.

[HarlemHeat37]

I disagree that it makes both teams worse..

Jermaine has looked solid when he's been on the court..it's a risk by Miami, but it's a good one..they need a big man in the middle badly, and Jermaine gives them that..he's still a solid defender, and he's looked very good when Bosh was out..he'll be the 2nd option in Miami, which is good for him..

Marion is completely useless to Miami from a talent perspective..

Jamario Moon gives them an athletic slasher that plays above average D as well..he also has a great contract, one of the best value contracts in the NBA..

Toronto is out of the playoffs..Marion is an expiring contract, which will allow them to make some moves in the off-season..

good trade for both teams..

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Sucks for both for sure.

[crc21209]

Chips starting to fall? Marion to Toronto, J O' Neal to Heat, whats next? Stoudemire to ? Sheed to Spurs? ( I hope!)

[SpursDynasty]

This trade does nothing for either team. Meaningless to the league. It actually makes Miami worse, doesn't do shit for a shit Toronto team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I actually think it helps both teams, but I guess no one else does.

[FreeMason]

LOL! Marion going to Canada.

[Texas_Ranger]

It's official

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3905146

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/02/13/heatraptorstrade.20090213/index.html

[HarlemHeat37]

so where's the logic that it makes both teams worse? LOL..

Miami gets the big man they desperately need, and they get to have flexibility in 2010..while they get rid of Marion, who is useless in their system..

[resistanze]

wgaf

[hater]

O'neal sucks.

[resistanze]

At least Marion's contract comes off the books after this year. Anyone know what Banks is getting paid?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

At least Marion's contract comes off the books after this year. Anyone know what Banks is getting paid?

Too much. He won the Bill Simmons least valuable player award in 2007.

[HarlemHeat37]

Marion doesn't really help Toronto, other than from a financial standpoint..he'll help them continue to compete for a playoff spot, but his true value will be as an expiring contract..they'll try to improve the team before the 2010 off-season to entice Bosh into staying with the team..

good trade..

[MarHill]

I just listened to Ric Bucher on Sportscenter talking about this trade.

He said the Miami desperately wanted someone who can score in the post and they were convinced O'Neal is healthy enough to play.

Also, the Heat felt Shawn Marion didn't fit in their system (what's a surprise!!) and were ready to move him.

Lastly, Ric mentioned that Kobe Bryant was the 1st half MVP. But that Tim Duncan should be mentioned in the conversation. I was shocked!! :lol

[crc21209]

Ric Bucher also said that he thinks this O'Neal for Marion trade is going to be the biggest "big name" trade of the trading season and no other big names will be moved, only other name being talked about being Vince Carter. Hmmmmm no Sheed talk? Damn it! lol.

[Spurs Brazil]

Good trade for the Heat

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Maybe it's just me but this big favor Phoenix supposedly did for Miami by trading for Shaq wasn't really a big favor since they just traded the two players in the Shaq trade for a player worse than Shaq but gets paid more.

[MarHill]

Ric Bucher also said that he thinks this O'Neal for Marion trade is going to be the biggest "big name" trade of the trading season and no other big names will be moved, only other name being talked about being Vince Carter. Hmmmmm no Sheed talk? Damn it! lol.



That Sheed deal will be hard to do for the Spurs. I know about that thread in the Spurs forum up to 18 pages or so.

I would be shocked if it happens!

I could see Brad Miller trade happening before Sheed though.

[Kamnik]

o'neal sucks.

+1

[EricB]

I think Miami got a steal here. O'Neal will help a bit, but Jamario Moon is a real gem IMO.

[ploto]

Contrary to the assumption here, I think the intent is for Marion to stay in Toronto. He is EXACTLY what they need alongside Bosh and Andrea- a small forward who can defend and rebound.

In essence, Toronto traded Rasho and TJ for Marion (via Jermaine)-- which is precisely what they tried to do directly with Phoenix before.

[JamStone]

But would Toronto be willing to extend Marion for anywhere near what he thinks he's worth. Despite his obvious decline and limitations, I think even $10 million a year would be something Marion wouldn't accept. I think he's worth maybe $24 over three years at this point. But, if Colangelo and the Raptors want to really extend Marion, they will likely have to go higher than that. I guess it might depend whether there's another sucker team that goes after Marion as well, which might be unlikely.

[tlongII]

Good trade for both teams. Toronto is out of the playoffs and they get a big expiring deal. Miami gets 2 players that should be able to help them right away. Beasley gets to move into Marion's starting spot.

[Stump]

So basically, Miami has traded Shaq for Jermaine O'Neal + Moon. How does this help them?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So basically, Miami has traded Shaq for Jermaine O'Neal + Moon. How does this help them?

It got them Michael Beasley.

[Stump]

It got them Michael Beasley.
I think they were in last place when they traded Shaq, so it didn't even get them Beasley.

[rayray2k8]

What a steal for the Raptors.
J.O has always been injury prone throughout his career.
Miami will regret trading Marion for this toothpick.

[dave]

NO NO NO
damnit marcus banks

[Kobe™]

This trade does nothing for either team. Meaningless to the league. It actually makes Miami worse, doesn't do shit for a shit Toronto team.

You're an idiot.

[MiamiHeat]

Toronto gets
Shawn Marion
Marcus Banks
Cash considerations

Miami gets
Jermaine O'Neal
Jamario Moon
1st round pick
$4 million trade exception

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You're an idiot.

Why is it you feel the need to type everything in bold?

[Cry Havoc]

Hell of a deal for Miami. They actually could be a pretty solid team this year, now.

To those that are saying O'neal sucks, damn, I would love to have someone else on the Spurs to give us 14 and 7 every game. That's not bad for sucking.

[Flo-Rida]

Hell of a deal for Miami. They actually could be a pretty solid team this year, now.

To those that are saying O'neal sucks, damn, I would love to have someone else on the Spurs to give us 14 and 7 every game. That's not bad for sucking.

LOL right

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

If JO can stay healthy, him and D-Wade will make a good run in the east..JO is still a top 10 Center in the NBA when healthy. Good trade for Miami.

[Flo-Rida]

If JO can stay healthy, him and D-Wade will make a good run in the east..JO is still a top 10 Center in the NBA when healthy. Good trade for Miami.

I really hope so.

[angelbelow]

hmm.. heat have a lot of sfs..

[mystargtr34]

I hope they enjoy all 12 games he'll play the rest of the season.

Joel Anthony, Jamal Magloire and Marl Blount. Thats the Heat's C rotation. Adding Jermaine to knock those guys down 10 MPG game each, will be huge for the Heat.

Plus, Marions talent was pretty much redundant on that team. With a PG like Calderon in Toronto and Bargnani and even Bosh able to spread the floor. Marion might be able to go back to being a 17-9-2 type of player.

I think its a good trade for both teams.

[mystargtr34]

Not to mention adding a watered down replacement in Jomario Moon, 1st Round pick and a handy $4 Million Trade Exception.

I think its a very good trade for the Heat. They will still have a ton of cap room in 2010.

I think it makes the Raps better too, but the Heat might be able to get HCA in the playoffs now.

[Austin_Toros]

I hope they enjoy all 12 games he'll play the rest of the season.

If Jermaine can more more than 12 games, then the trade was worth it.

Marion and Jermaine are needed more in their new teams. Especially Marion who looks like he can be a nice fit with Bosh and Bargnani.

I guess this trade means Bargnani is a permanent starter now..

[HarlemHeat37]

there's no way Marion will be a Raptor next season..he's asking for too much money, and he just doesn't fit with their team..

[iggypop123]

JO sitting on the bench is already better than magloire and anthony