Who's the MVP so far? [Archive] - SpursTalk.com Forums

turiaf for president

02-13-2009, 02:37 PM

i had lebron on top as well until this past couple weeks. either guy wont surprise me.

dont sleep on TD tho. if the spurs finish close to the lakers at season's end, i think he deserves holding down the fort while manu and tony were out.

with that said i think its going to be a kobe v lebron thing

lil_penny

02-13-2009, 02:38 PM

I thought LeBron had this in the bag, but I am starting to believe that Kobe deserves another one.

monosylab1k

02-13-2009, 02:41 PM

probably Kobe, but how the hell is Dwyane Wade not listed, yet Howard, Garnett, & Duncan are?

endrity

02-13-2009, 02:44 PM

probably Kobe, but how the hell is Dwyane Wade not listed, yet Howard, Garnett, & Duncan are?

same reason Dirk isn't, you don't win an MVP without an elite team record, no matter the stats you are putting up!

Supergirl

02-13-2009, 02:45 PM

probably Kobe, but how the hell is Dwyane Wade not listed, yet Howard, Garnett, & Duncan are?

Cause Wade's team isn't a real contender. Although, I was surprised to see that they're currently a playoff-bound team in the East. But I think that says more about the dearth of talent after the top 3 teams in the east than it does about the quality of the Heat's team.

monosylab1k

02-13-2009, 02:52 PM

same reason Dirk isn't, you don't win an MVP without an elite team record, no matter the stats you are putting up!

Dirk shouldn't be listed because he isn't playing at an MVP level. He's playing great, but this probably isn't even one of his top 3 best years.

The Heat would be the worst team in the league without Dwyane Wade. He's far more valuable to his team than Kevin Garnett or Dwight Howard are to theirs.

JamStone

02-13-2009, 02:52 PM

LeBron, with Kobe hot on his tail.

Still think it's LeBron's to lose at this point.

monosylab1k

02-13-2009, 02:52 PM

Cause Wade's team isn't a real contender.

His team seems to beat all the real contenders out there. We'll see what happens come playoff time in the East.

endrity

02-13-2009, 02:57 PM

Dirk shouldn't be listed because he isn't playing at an MVP level. He's playing great, but this probably isn't even one of his top 3 best years.

The Heat would be the worst team in the league without Dwyane Wade. He's far more valuable to his team than Kevin Garnett or Dwight Howard are to theirs.

No, his best years are obviously 05-07, he will never replicate that. But he is 4th in the league in scoring, and having a lot of big nights so if you are mentioning players having good seasons, well Dirk definetely should be up there.

As far as the argument "team X would be really bad without player Y", I never agreed with that one. You are rewarding bad ownership if you give an MVP on those basis. And that is why it never really is used.

endrity

02-13-2009, 02:58 PM

To me the performances of Kobe against the Spurs, Celtics, Cavs, (forget the NY game, I could care less about that) are the prime reason why Kobe has taken over. That and his team's record.

Thunder Dan

02-13-2009, 02:59 PM

Lebron since his team has one of the top teams in the league and only 1 true All Star...when all the other top teams have 2 or 3

pauls931

02-13-2009, 03:04 PM

I like Lebron and hate Kobe, but so far I'd go with Bryant.

JamStone

02-13-2009, 03:07 PM

Lebron since his team has one of the top teams in the league and only 1 true All Star...when all the other top teams have 2 or 3

Cavalier backassward logic.

Cavs fans and the organization screaming Mo Williams deserved to be an all star, that he should have been selected by the coaches the first time around, that he's been a major reason for the Cavs success this season. But in order to pimp LeBron, Cavs fan downplays the fact that Mo Williams is not only an all star, but that since he is an all star, he isn't a true all star.

Backassward.

SpursDynasty

02-13-2009, 03:09 PM

LeBron is not the MVP. An MVP would have won those games vs. the Lakers. Roger Mason is more of an MVP than LeBron.

tlongII

02-13-2009, 03:17 PM

LeBron. Easily.

turiaf for president

02-13-2009, 03:20 PM

Cavalier backassward logic.

Cavs fans and the organization screaming Mo Williams deserved to be an all star, that he should have been selected by the coaches the first time around, that he's been a major reason for the Cavs success this season. But in order to pimp LeBron, Cavs fan downplays the fact that Mo Williams is not only an all star, but that since he is an all star, he isn't a true all star.

Backassward.

+23425345353453

i have never seen a "fake all star" put up 40+ points in a matter of a couple weeks

Thunder Dan

02-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Cavalier backassward logic.

Cavs fans and the organization screaming Mo Williams deserved to be an all star, that he should have been selected by the coaches the first time around, that he's been a major reason for the Cavs success this season. But in order to pimp LeBron, Cavs fan downplays the fact that Mo Williams is not only an all star, but that since he is an all star, he isn't a true all star.

Backassward.

Still, even with 2 the other top teams in the league have one more....they replaced a Center for Mo Williams...they basically just made a spot up to put him in

DrHouse

02-13-2009, 04:04 PM

Kobe.

I'm biased.

Kobe™

02-13-2009, 04:13 PM

I'm at an impasse, I made my vote though.

Jayem2

02-13-2009, 04:14 PM

kobe is gonna get back to back MVPS!

JamStone

02-13-2009, 04:25 PM

Still, even with 2 the other top teams in the league have one more....they replaced a Center for Mo Williams...they basically just made a spot up to put him in

Are you saying Mo Williams does not deserve to be an all star?

And, the Lakers have Kobe and Pau. No other all stars, true or fake or otherwise. By the way, LeBron has three former all stars as teammates in Z, Ben, and Wally.

In this thread, I even said LeBron is the MVP still. But, your logic and reasoning was so retarded, I had to call it out.

Thunder Dan

02-13-2009, 04:28 PM

Are you saying Mo Williams does not deserve to be an all star?

And, the Lakers have Kobe and Pau. No other all stars, true or fake or otherwise. By the way, LeBron has three former all stars as teammates in Z, Ben, and Wally.

In this thread, I even said LeBron is the MVP still. But, your logic and reasoning was so retarded, I had to call it out.

Mo doesn't deserve it the way the system is set up- you don't lose a Center to injury and place another guard in his spot. The team has like 6 guards and only 1 center

MiamiHeat

02-13-2009, 04:28 PM

why the hell is Dwyane Wade not on your list?

JamStone

02-13-2009, 04:34 PM

Mo doesn't deserve it the way the system is set up- you don't lose a Center to injury and place another guard in his spot. The team has like 6 guards and only 1 center

You didn't answer the question. No qualifiers.

Do you think Mo Williams deserves to be an all star this year or not?

TwinTowers

02-13-2009, 04:46 PM

The player whose team has the best record at the end of the season will be the MVP, except if that teams happens to be the C's (Neither KG, Pierce, nor Ray has MVP numbers). Right now the race is:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron/TD
3. D Wade
4. D Howard

I expect Duncan and the Spurs to make more noise after the ASG. However, he won't win it; TD doesn't sell as many Jerseys as Kobe or Lebron (Otherwise he'd have 4+ MVP's already).

BRHornet45

02-13-2009, 05:28 PM

gotta Chris Paul mind state

sook

02-13-2009, 05:30 PM

gotta Chris Paul mind state

whats her name? in your sig

Austin_Toros

02-13-2009, 06:07 PM

LeBron should take out MVP. And if he doesn't he can just win it for the next decade...

mystargtr34

02-13-2009, 06:56 PM

Im going to say LeBron, but Kobe has closed the gap considerably. I think those two are cleae 1 and 2.

After that, i think Duncan deserves some mention, along with Wade, CP3 and Howard.

LeBron
Kobe
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Wade
Duncan
Howard
Paul

turiaf for president

02-13-2009, 06:59 PM

why the hell is Dwyane Wade not on your list?

have to agree with you there. i have him on my top 5

turiaf for president

02-13-2009, 07:00 PM

You didn't answer the question. No qualifiers.

Do you think Mo Williams deserves to be an all star this year or not?

yes he is.

/:whine

JoeTait75

02-13-2009, 07:13 PM

You didn't answer the question. No qualifiers.

Do you think Mo Williams deserves to be an all star this year or not?

I'll answer that question: No. The only other guy on the roster who I thought was deserving was Z, and that was before he got hurt. Mo's addition has helped the team considerably, but his personal numbers are no better than they were in Milwaukee. And he still isn't a very good defender.

I voted for LeBron. I am biased.

BRHornet45

02-13-2009, 07:26 PM

whats her name? in your sig

LOL at you stealing my sig son!

hater

02-13-2009, 07:31 PM

gotta be fair and square.

gotta give it to Lebron. His team is ballin and he has the ball 80% of the time

Kobe #2. Duncan #3

porscha

02-13-2009, 07:37 PM

Kobe

Chieflion

02-13-2009, 07:39 PM

It is LeBron's time.

Tully365

02-13-2009, 07:51 PM

iggypop123

02-13-2009, 07:54 PM

gotta Chris Paul mind state

son, its kobe. just because we are talking about today. and today kobe beat lebron twice, boston twice and that road trip and without bynum

Rogue

02-14-2009, 01:59 AM

LOL at you stealing my sig son!
it doesn't matter, your son will inherit all you have in the future anyway.

BRHornet45

02-14-2009, 02:36 AM

son, its kobe. just because we are talking about today. and today kobe beat lebron twice, boston twice and that road trip and without bynum

Andrea Tantaros son.

RsxPiimp

02-14-2009, 02:39 AM

Are you saying Mo Williams does not deserve to be an all star?

nigga please. mo does not deserve that spot.

mavs>spurs2

02-14-2009, 02:40 AM

it doesn't matter, your son will inherit all you have in the future anyway.

:lol

RsxPiimp

02-14-2009, 02:42 AM

I have to go with Lebron. If the Lakers lost Kobe they'd be in much better shape than the Cavs without Lebron. A team starting Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Ariza would probably make the playoffs, but I don't know if a team starting Z, Big Ben, West, and Mo would. They have practically the same record but Kobe has more help.

doubt it. this is the west. i dont think a kobe-less lakers can win that 7th or 8th seed. utah and dallas are better than the lakers (w/o kobe)

TheNextGen

02-14-2009, 12:33 PM

doubt it. this is the west. i dont think a kobe-less lakers can win that 7th or 8th seed. utah and dallas are better than the lakers (w/o kobe)

exactly. We all seen what happened when Kobe fouled out in the bobcats game. The Lakers didnt know what to do.

I vote Kobe. I based it on records and how Kobe or Lebron played against the top teams. Lakers beat the celtic twice and Cavs twice and Kobe played a big part on all those. He outshined Lebron. I'd have to go with Kobe.

ManuTP9

02-14-2009, 12:37 PM

it doesn't matter, your son will inherit all you have in the future anyway.

:lol God Bless

TheNextGen

02-14-2009, 12:38 PM

Dirk knows whats up:

"You pick one," challenged Dirk. "They are all great players, that's why they're here. To me, Kobe [Bryant] is the best player in the world right now. Just to play with a closer like that, someone that can really take over a game when he wants to at a flip of a switch… He's really the only guy in the world that can do that when he wants and that's what makes him the best."

Kobe certainly is among the best, if not the best. At the same time, he is leading his Los Angeles Lakers team to a conference best, 42-10 and Dirk realizes that.

"If you look at the West," said Dirk. "The Lakers are a step above everybody else and they showed it the last two weeks. They won at New York, Boston, Cleveland and those are tough places to win. I think the Lakers are the best team in the West and other than that everybody else is right there. Everybody is playing pretty well, so we're all in that one step. We can beat anybody if we play hard and together, but if not, we can lose to anybody. I feel good; we had a good last two or three weeks with guys playing hard. We had a decent game yesterday, so I'm looking forward to the final 30 games.