okay, about that Carter trade

[45 bank shot]

is there any evidence that the spurs will do it? Or did the spurs really offer G.Hill and Mason? Or is it just some media stuff?

[Bartleby]

smokescreen

[jdiggy0424]

not gonna happen

[Ghost Writer]

There are multiple threads on this.

Don't be lazy.

R-E-A-D






P.S.

From what I am reading here, I don't think many Spurs fans realzie how Carter's game has evolved in recent years.

Carter is mostly a jumpshooter these days, can hit the 3 and drive when he need to and has actually become a very clutch shooter for the Nets as of late.

The injury tag is not a major concern anymore.

I actually think he'd be perfect for the Spurs and if they could sneak S. Williams in the deal, that would solve two needs. He's a young PF/C who blocks shots and is athletic but very raw. I mentioned his name in this very Forum last year and was laughed at.


Typical.

[ManuTP9]

no

[G-Nob]

Stop with the dumb threads

[exstatic]

There are multiple threads on this.

Don't be lazy.

R-E-A-D






P.S.

From what I am reading here, I don't think many Spurs fans realzie how Carter's game has evolved in recent years.

Carter is mostly a jumpshooter these days, can hit the 3 and drive when he need to and has actually become a very clutch shooter for the Nets as of late.

The injury tag is not a major concern anymore.

I actually think he'd be perfect for the Spurs and if they could sneak S. Williams in the deal, that would solve two needs. He's a young PF/C who blocks shots and is athletic but very raw. I mentioned his name in this very Forum last year and was laughed at.


Typical.

He's also a fucking psycho. Chicago actually nixed a trade with NJ earlier this season because NJ insisted on including him, and CHI wanted no part of that shit. If he's so fucking good, why has he only played 19 games at 10 minutes per for a bad team?

[lebomb]

Noooooooooooooooooo

[galvatron3000]

This talk is being mentioned again over at Hoopshype, which is stating that Bowen, Oberto, Hill and Mason will be involved. I'm against it myself.

[Ghost Writer]

If he's so fucking good, why has he only played 19 games at 10 minutes per for a bad team?


I did not say Sean Williams was that "fvcking good."

I said that he'd be an Popportunistic acquisition.

And to answer your question, S. Williams plays behind B. Lopez, J. Boone, Y. Jilani, and R. Anderson, old man.


Take your meds and calm down.



P.S.

Did you know our president is half Black?

[exstatic]

I did not say Sean Williams was that "fvcking good."

I said that he'd be an Popportunistic acquisition.

And to answer your question, S. Williams plays behind B. Lopez, J. Boone, Y. Jilani, and R. Anderson, old man.

Let's see: NBA journeyman,NBA journeyman,NBA journeyman,NBA journeyman. Yeah, he must be great if he can't crack that rotation.


Take your meds and calm down.



P.S.

Did you know our president is half Black?
Yes. I voted for him in the primary and the general election. What, again, does that have to do with basketball players? I do see the corrollation with the meds, though, since Psycho Williams needs them.

[Biggems]

There are multiple threads on this.

Don't be lazy.

R-E-A-D






P.S.

From what I am reading here, I don't think many Spurs fans realzie how Carter's game has evolved in recent years.

Carter is mostly a jumpshooter these days, can hit the 3 and drive when he need to and has actually become a very clutch shooter for the Nets as of late.

The injury tag is not a major concern anymore.

I actually think he'd be perfect for the Spurs and if they could sneak S. Williams in the deal, that would solve two needs. He's a young PF/C who blocks shots and is athletic but very raw. I mentioned his name in this very Forum last year and was laughed at.


Typical.

No, if they really want to rid themselves of Carter, who I dont want.......I will take Carter on one condition.....they have to include Lopez in the deal. Since I know they would never do that, at least not for what we are offering....then cool.

[duncan228]

The lastest from McDonald, this is in the monster Carter thread too.

Carter buzz heating up (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

That Vince-Carter-to-Spurs rumor seems to have heated up overnight, with some sources indicating San Antonio to be the most likely destination for the mercurial New Jersey shooting guard.

The latest scenario would have the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter. New Jersey would then immediately waive Oberto and Bowen, to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

The benefit for the Spurs would be obvious: They would acquire an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing. The deal, however, would not be painless: They would have to part with Mason, a top-notch 3-point shooter, and Hill, a rookie point guard who had figured prominently into the team's long range plans.

The benefit for the Nets would be mostly financial. They would clear Carter's $16.1 million salary from the books.

No deal was imminent as of this morning, but this development will be something worth monitoring throughout All-Star Weekend.

UPDATE: One problem with the deal proposed here. Under NBA rules, it would be illegal. In order for a team to take four players for one, it must make room on the 15-man roster BEFORE the deal is consummated. It doesn't matter if the plan is to waive a couple of the incoming players after the deal is done.

In order for the Spurs and Nets to make this deal, the Nets -- who are already at the 15-man limit -- would have to waive three of their own players first. Obviously, that's not going to happen. Doesn't neccesarily mean there is no deal for Carter in the works, but it isn't this deal.

[Ghost Writer]

Are you guys serious?

Brook Lopez is not a journeyman. He is a rookie and one of the Nets' best young player next to D. Harris.

Josh Boone is not a journeyman, either. He's in his second season!

Sean Williams is not better than these guys who are starting quality.

Our Spurs are the team that take sh1tty players and give them a chance to reform and shine.

You guys need to watch some games.

[EricB]

So trade away the most clutch shooter on the team and best combo guard this team has ever had for a pussy jump shooting always hurt belly aching asshole?

Fuck this trade if it happens.

[exstatic]

Sean Williams is not better than Josh Boone, who plays ahead of him and averages 4.6p/4.2r. I am susceptable to the NCAA hype machine, when most such players bust out in the NBA.



Again, you fail to answer why Williams has played only ~190 minutes this season. I know why, I just want to see if you do.

[Biggems]

Are you guys serious?

Brook Lopez is not a journeyman. He is a rookie and one of the Nets' best young player next to D. Harris.

Josh Boone is not a journeyman, either. He's in his second season!

Sean Williams is not better than these guys who are starting quality.

Our Spurs are the team that take sh1tty players and give them a chance to reform and shine.

You guys need to watch some games.

im very serious. If the Nets want us to take Carter and his contract away....and if they want to take Mason and Hill from us, they better give us some youth in return.....Lopez. Otherwise, they can take this proposed trade, shine it up real nice, turn that sombitch sideways, and stick it straight up their rooty poo candy asses.

[Ghost Writer]

Listen, you senile old man, I did not say that quote, so don't attribute it to me.

Secondly, I already answered you... twice.

The big men playing ahead of Sean Williams are all better than he is.

That said, I think Williams could help the Spurs. He needs the Pop boot camp and a change of scenery.


You listed Brook Williams and Josh Boone as journeymen.

How do I argue with you if you're that off base?



P.S.

Vince Carter is clutch.

[EricB]

Are you guys serious?

Brook Lopez is not a journeyman. He is a rookie and one of the Nets' best young player next to D. Harris.

Josh Boone is not a journeyman, either. He's in his second season!

Sean Williams is not better than these guys who are starting quality.

Our Spurs are the team that take sh1tty players and give them a chance to reform and shine.

You guys need to watch some games.

Uh hes been in the league about 3 or 4 years....

[Ghost Writer]

carter is clutch, people:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vince+carter+game+winner&btnG=Google+Search&aq=1&oq=vince+carter+game+winn


If you follow the NBA at large, then do your research.

[EricB]

Listen, you senile old man, I did not say that quote, so don't attribute it to me.

Secondly, I already answered you... twice.

The big men playing ahead of Sean Williams are all better than he is.

That said, I think Williams could help the Spurs. He needs the Pop boot camp and a change of scenery.


You listed Brook Williams and Josh Boone as journeymen.

How do I argue with you if you're that off base?



P.S.

Vince Carter is clutch.


Yeah his teams led by him have won soooo much.

[mudyez]

I say DO IT!!!...at least, if carter seems willing to work within the system (but I think he will..as much as a lot of people hate him...I think its unfair to him)

I think right now carter is an upgrade over mason (as much as I like him)...similar clutch (yeah, I have the nerv to say that after mason won 3 or 4 games for us with his clutchness) and just a player which will force opposing teams to change their gameplan (which is tough if you also have to do it with tony, manu and timmy)

to include hill is tough, but take a look what pop does to him lately...its not like he is the guy who will win games for us this year...and I could care less about our youth...when timmy goes we need to do a fill rebuilding anyway and I'd rather trade hill now then later (when we are not competing)

additionally: carters defense is underated...I wont say, he is great, but at least as good as mason is.

only problem is, that it would still leave us very thin up front (I'm not high on the williams-idea)...but with one more rosterspot, we may just pick up another guy to at least have quantity

parker/vaughn (lol..he would be back)
carter/manu/fin
bowen/manu/fin
bonner/kurt
duncan/oberto

+ hairstone

...PO-rotation:

parker/manu
carter/manu
bowen/finley
kurt/bonner
duncan/kurt

...sonds great for me, if we get another big!

[dadi]

Trading a very good but limited three point specialist and a talented but raw rookie pg for an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing who is one of the clutchest players in the league (82games.com)!?!?

well, if the spurs really want to have a chance to win it all the next two years they should do it

BTW, are there really so many uneducated and uninformed fans out there!?!?!

CARTER IS NOT INJURY PRONE..........since he was traded to the NETS he missed only 12 games, less than Kobe, pierce etc........

cheers

[Amuseddaysleeper]

We're trading away most of our bench (which may not be that great to begin with) for only VC?

I'd rather keep Hill or Mason but not lose both.

I don't care for Oberto, and it'd be nice for Bowen to get waived and come back to SA.

I doubt the Spurs get Carter especially considering NJ would have to waive three of their own players.

[mudyez]

lol...even while not beeing the dunking mashine of early days anymore...he probably would make more dunks than all the other spurs together :)

and I would pay to see him dunk on kendrick perkins in a finals matchup!

[EricB]

Trading a very good but limited three point specialist and a talented but raw rookie pg for an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing who is one of the clutchest players in the league (82games.com)!?!?

well, if the spurs really want to have a chance to win it all the next two years they should do it

BTW, are there really so many uneducated and uninformed fans out there!?!?!

CARTER IS NOT INJURY PRONE..........since he was traded to the NETS he missed only 12 games, less than Kobe, pierce etc........

cheers

Nahhh, the hurt elbow, strained hamstrings, strained groins are all figments of the trainer's and our imaginations.

[Ghost Writer]

Learn something:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960


And those nagging injuries will disappear playing for a contender. Trust me.

[Duncan2177]

carter is clutch, people:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vince+carter+game+winner&btnG=Google+Search&aq=1&oq=vince+carter+game+winn


If you follow the NBA at large, then do your research.

I agree i can't believe people would have a problem with Carter on the spurs Carter is better than Mason and Hill put together. I like Mason but if i had to pick it would be Carter and Mason is only a spot up shooter Carter is more than that he would bring another dimension to the spurs playing with Duncan,Parker and Manu and its not like were trading one of the big 3 for Carter, People need to calm down its not the end of the world if we don't have Mason and Hill on the spurs.

[Ghost Writer]

You are absolutely right and that is backed by evidence here:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960

[EricB]

Learn something:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960


And those nagging injuries will disappear playing for a contender. Trust me.


So he has attitude issues.

Even better.

Fuck this guy.

[exstatic]

The big men playing ahead of Sean Williams are all better than he is.
Last year, Sean Williams averaged 5.6p/4.4r/1.5blk in 17 minutes. Why is he now playing behind the inferior Josh Boone?

That said, I think Williams could help the Spurs. He needs the Pop boot camp and a change of scenery.
He's a corrosive locker room presence who's antics have apparently filtered out to everyone but you. We're not talking immaturity here, he's just a flat out bad guy. As I said, Chicago refused him as a throw-in for a trade earlier this year. Because they refused to take him, the trade collapsed. Let me repeat that: they refused him as a throw in.


You listed Brook Williams and Josh Boone as journeymen.
You think of journeyman as a derisive swipe. It isn't. Most players in the NBA are journeyman. Lopez has a chance to be more at 12p/8r, but then again, others have put up numbers early and fallen off the face of the Earth. See: Kristic, Nenad.

Boone will probably always be a fringe player, and Jianlian and Anderson are primarily perimeter players/shooters and shouldn't be keeping a talented big out of the lineup.

How do I argue with you if you're that off base?

You can recognize that Sean Williams would never fit in SA. He is a bad guy who most of the league won't touch with a ten foot pole. That's why he's not playing ahead of inferior players.

[Ghost Writer]

Are you a fvcking fool, ex?

Brook Lopez is being lauded as a young Brad Miller.

Josh Boone was the Nets incumbant starter at center before gtting hurt.

Anderson is young and has been showing flashes of brilliance.

And the Nets traded for Yi to appeal to the foreign market and because they view him as a cornerstone of the front court.


Where exactly do you expect the admittedly raw S. Williams to get his minutes on the Nets?

Don't bother answering. The last time I mentioned a Nets player with a questionable attitude, you scoffed when the Spurs eventually took a chance on him.


He turned out to be Stephen Jackson, the Spurs best swingman in a decade.





Owned.

[Ghost Writer]

P.S.

The Nets could not afford to keep Krstic because of the same depth in the frontcourt that has relegated S. Williams to the deep bench.

He's back in the NBA and doing well with the Thunder, ex.:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/


You've gotten more conservative and confused with time.

[picnroll]

Brook Lopez looks like he's going to be a very, very good center. What the hell is everybody talking about?

[mudyez]

I agree on williams, but its not the spurs policy to take on such headcases...don't see him comming to the spurs!

[mudyez]

btw.: would love to see harris and hill playing along each other with lopez in the frontcourt...nice young athletic core to start over

[Ghost Writer]

Brook Lopez looks like he's going to be a very, very good center. What the hell is everybody talking about?

I agree.


Obviously, the naysayers in this thread do not watch the games on a national basis.

B. Lopez stole the job from Boone and there's simply not enough minutes for the mercurial Sean Williams.

The "warts" on Williams makes him more accessible to the Spurs, as no team is in a hurry to send away perfect low-post players!

[duncan228]

Tapping the brakes on the Carter talk (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

E-N NBA beat writer Mike Monroe is on the scene in Phoenix for the NBA's annual All-Star Game/Swap Meet ... Just got this from him via email, regarding the rumored deal in the works that would allegedly bring Vince Carter to San Antonio:

Nets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe, while not commenting specifically on reported Nets-Spurs talks, on Saturday denied a trade report that had the Spurs sending four players to the Nets for Vince Carter.

"There's nothing going on with Vince Carter," Vandeweghe said.

[exstatic]

P.S.

The Nets could not afford to keep Krstic because of the same depth in the frontcourt that has relegated S. Williams to the deep bench.

He's back in the NBA and doing well with the Thunder, ex.:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/


You've gotten more conservative and confused with time.

You're getting a stiffy over 8.6/5.1? No wonder you think Josh Boone and his 4/4 is the second coming. :lol

Fucking Mahinmi could probably put up 8/5 when his ankle heals. Your standards are pretty low, even lower than usual GW.

Oh, and the Nets let Kristic go because they had no choice. He went to Europe, where things like restricted type free agency don't apply. His numbers also took a dive for two years in a row.

[Ghost Writer]

ex, stop posting.

You are a veteran here and I respect that, but you've gotten fvcking exposed in this thread.

I can't repeat myself any more, but you are dead wrong.

Sean Williams is buried behine Boone and Lopez.

Experts project Lopez to be a stud in this league and Boone was putting up good numbers for a starter last season and this season before getting hurt.

No one is suggesting that Sean Williams is the next Ralph Sampson. We're saying he could be a decent gamble and a low-risk one at that.





Please leave this alone, because anyone can follow the dialogue in this thread and realize you don't have a healthy perspective of the NBA at large if you're not aware the Brook Lopez and Josh Boone and Ryan Anderson are not journeymen.

[mudyez]

low risk?

...I think him disrupting the team chemestry especially in the lockerroom could be a big risk!

and as much as I like pop...he hasnt proved, that he is a master in coaching difficult people...he just never had to (jax was the closest thing but not that bad at that time)

[exstatic]

I'll leave you to rub one out to your Josh Boone poster. :lol Think real hard about that 4/4.

[Spurs Brazil]

The lastest from McDonald, this is in the monster Carter thread too.

Carter buzz heating up (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

That Vince-Carter-to-Spurs rumor seems to have heated up overnight, with some sources indicating San Antonio to be the most likely destination for the mercurial New Jersey shooting guard.

The latest scenario would have the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter. New Jersey would then immediately waive Oberto and Bowen, to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

The benefit for the Spurs would be obvious: They would acquire an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing. The deal, however, would not be painless: They would have to part with Mason, a top-notch 3-point shooter, and Hill, a rookie point guard who had figured prominently into the team's long range plans.

The benefit for the Nets would be mostly financial. They would clear Carter's $16.1 million salary from the books.

No deal was imminent as of this morning, but this development will be something worth monitoring throughout All-Star Weekend.

UPDATE: One problem with the deal proposed here. Under NBA rules, it would be illegal. In order for a team to take four players for one, it must make room on the 15-man roster BEFORE the deal is consummated. It doesn't matter if the plan is to waive a couple of the incoming players after the deal is done.

In order for the Spurs and Nets to make this deal, the Nets -- who are already at the 15-man limit -- would have to waive three of their own players first. Obviously, that's not going to happen. Doesn't neccesarily mean there is no deal for Carter in the works, but it isn't this deal.

McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on

[Ghost Writer]

Stop. Please.

Boone was hurt, as I already mentioned. He was the Nets starting center. Why don't you look at his averages as a starter?

If you are going to challenge me, please know the situations.

You're embarrassing yourself and the corny jokes do not mask the facts that you thought that Sean Williams should be capable of jumping Josh Boone and Brook Lopez on the depth chart.



Watch the games.

[EricB]

McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on

is he supposed to produce soucers out of nowhere?

[sananspursfan21]

Spurs are already so close though. They need a big man to help sink the lakers. that's it. no eastern conference team can CONSISTENTLY beat the Spurs. if the spurs went to the finals, and faced the celtics, cavs, or magic, they might struggle a little. any of those teams will win one or two games of the series, but c'mon, none of those flyweights can go 7 long games with a team like the Spurs. The lakers are the only team to worry about this year. spurs need a big to defend odom while duncan takes gasol or vice versa. bowen takes kobe and i think bynum's done for the season so that's a big bail out right there.

[sananspursfan21]

McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on


yah, but who really does know what's going on in the NBA. even sports writers at ESPN know very little until it actually happens. the NBA is like the government. THere's stuff going on that no fan or even writer really knows about. for all we know, the spurs are trying to get shaq. 99.999999% chance that would ever even cross anybody's mind, i'm just trying to make a point but you never know. we fans are simply speculating. some deals are made obvious however, like the o'neal and marion trade, but for the most part, why would any nba insider tell us what's going on? we don't own the organization, it's none of our business what truly goes on. writers and stuff are probably just stirring crap to get us all excited and to create hype.

[lurker23]

McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on

At least he figured out that this trade wouldn't work with the rules of the CBA. Almost all of the other sports writers and internet forum dwellers haven't even made it that far.

[Ghost Writer]

Spurs are already so close though. They need a big man to help sink the lakers. that's it. no eastern conference team can CONSISTENTLY beat the Spurs. if the spurs went to the finals, and faced the celtics, cavs, or magic, they might struggle a little. any of those teams will win one or two games of the series, but c'mon, none of those flyweights can go 7 long games with a team like the Spurs. The lakers are the only team to worry about this year. spurs need a big to defend odom while duncan takes gasol or vice versa. bowen takes kobe and i think bynum's done for the season so that's a big bail out right there.

I heard this same sh1t last year and was sold that Kurt Thomas was the big man who would be the equalizer against the Lakers.

We need an impact player.

I already illustrated how good big men are a premium, but a player like Carter would give us a competitive advantage on the perimeter vs. LA.

[Slinkyman]

Trading a very good but limited three point specialist and a talented but raw rookie pg for an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing who is one of the clutchest players in the league (82games.com)!?!?

well, if the spurs really want to have a chance to win it all the next two years they should do it

BTW, are there really so many uneducated and uninformed fans out there!?!?!

CARTER IS NOT INJURY PRONE..........since he was traded to the NETS he missed only 12 games, less than Kobe, pierce etc........

cheers

Carter and Bowen have nearly come to blows on the court so you can't blame spurs fans for not likely carter and for assuming the worst about him.

[Kori Ellis]

The latest scenario would have the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter. New Jersey would then immediately waive Oberto and Bowen, to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

More than anything, I don't believe this scenario because I don't think the Spurs would go back to having JV as the backup point.

[Slinkyman]

More than anything, I don't believe this scenario because I don't think the Spurs would go back to having JV as the backup point.

This trade can't work without a 3rd team so perhaps that 3rd team sends us a decent back up, spurs have been rumored to be talking with the Kings...

[Fpoonsie]

More than anything, I don't believe this scenario because I don't think the Spurs would go back to having JV as the backup point.

Couldn't Manu handle the point while TP took a breather?

[Kori Ellis]

Couldn't Manu handle the point while TP took a breather?

No, not for 14+ minutes a game.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

More than anything, I don't believe this scenario because I don't think the Spurs would go back to having JV as the backup point.

For the love of God, this.

[Fpoonsie]

No, not for 14+ minutes a game.

I know learning the system takes time, but we'd also have a quality ball-handler in Vince. ...? (ya know, while MANU takes the breather :D )

[EricB]

Couldn't Manu handle the point while TP took a breather?

Yeah how did that work out last year?

[EricB]

I know learning the system takes time, but we'd also have a quality ball-handler in Vince. ...? (ya know, while MANU takes the breather :D )

Vince Carter is NOT a point guard....

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I know learning the system takes time, but we'd also have a quality ball-handler in Vince. ...? (ya know, while MANU takes the breather :D )

Hell, why not have Duncan play backup PG. He knows the system for sure.

[sananspursfan21]

I heard this same sh1t last year and was sold that Kurt Thomas was the big man who would be the equalizer against the Lakers.

yah, but he's older and only 6'9". they need a big, roughly 6'10-11", 250 lbs, and big wing span. i'm not against vinsanity either, he might be just what they need (???), but if this is true, then hopefully they get a big guy along with this deal. cross your fingers

[Kori Ellis]

Since Tony has been in the league, it's been a struggle for the Spurs to find a decent backup PG. They finally have that in GHill and I don't think the Spurs throw that away.

I am not saying that I'm for or against VC. I'm just saying it makes no sense to lose their depth at the point guard in the process. And I truly gotta believe that the Spurs are looking for a big more than Vince.

[Fpoonsie]

Vince Carter is NOT a point guard....

I'm aware, but for stretches, either he or Manu could handle the rock if need be. And you can't seriously allude to Manu's performance last year in the POs as "typical".

[Fpoonsie]

Hell, why not have Duncan play backup PG. He knows the system for sure.

I'm merely stating that we'd have aNOTHER guy who could handle the rock.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm aware, but for stretches, either he or Manu could handle the rock if need be. And you can't seriously allude to Manu's performance last year in the POs as "typical".

"For stretches" would be okay - two to three minutes in a crunch. But neither Manu or Vince can be the regular back up point guard, getting 16 mpg at the point while Tony rests.

If George Hill is gone in a trade, Jacque Vaughn better be super fresh and ready to go, or the Spurs must be getting a point back in the deal.

[Slinkyman]

yah, but he's older and only 6'9". they need a big, roughly 6'10-11", 250 lbs, and big wing span. i'm not against vinsanity either, he might be just what they need (???), but if this is true, then hopefully they get a big guy along with this deal. cross your fingers

Problem is every team in the league needs that 6'10 250lbs player with big wing span and those that have a player like it don't want to trade them for Oberto and Vaughn.

[sananspursfan21]

Hell, why not have Duncan play backup PG. He knows the system for sure.

hahahaha! i've actually seen him handle the ball a couple of possessions in an all-star game about 4 or 5 years ago so we know he could do it :lol:lol:lol:lol
nah, no he couldn't lol

[sananspursfan21]

Problem is every team in the league needs that 6'10 250lbs player with big wing span and those that have a player like it don't want to trade them for Oberto and Vaughn.

c'mon man, let a guy wish! :(

[Biggems]

Spurs get: Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, Trent Hassell, Sean Williams
Nets get: Amare Stoudamire, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Barnes
Suns get: Vince Carter, Kurt Thomas

[coachmac87]

Spurs get: Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, Trent Hassell, Sean Williams
Nets get: Amare Stoudamire, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Barnes
Suns get: Vince Carter, Kurt Thomas

:toast


Wow....

[Biggems]

:toast


Wow....

im just having fun and seeing what trades would be allowed.

Honestly, I was trying to give Udoka and Vaughn to NJ, cause of their expiring contracts....but they have 15 players already, so they can only receive the same number of players they give away.

[Chieflion]

Spurs get: Brook Lopez, Robin Lopez, Trent Hassell, Sean Williams
Nets get: Amare Stoudamire, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Barnes
Suns get: Vince Carter, Kurt Thomas

This drives Pop insane and he shouts, Fuck yes and starts drowning himself in wine!!!!!

Rod Thorn makes another awesome trade this year and says, league did not veto my trade. No need to wait for 2 years. Lets sign an extension right now!!!

Sarver complains: Vince Carter? Get out!!! We want expirings and young talent. This ain't solve no shit.

Doesn't work. Suns get royally screwed, at least they deserve a 1st round pick from Nets/ 2nd round pick from Spurs.

[Biggems]

This drives Pop insane and he shouts, Fuck yes and starts drowning himself in wine!!!!!

Rod Thorn makes another awesome trade this year and says, league did not veto my trade. No need to wait for 2 years. Lets sign an extension right now!!!

Sarver complains: Vince Carter? Get out!!! We want expirings and young talent. This ain't solve no shit.

Doesn't work. Suns get royally screwed, at least they deserve a 1st round pick from Nets/ 2nd round pick from Spurs.

Well this is just what I could do on the trade machine.....i cant add draft picks, the rights to players drafted, or cash considerations to the thing.....or if I can, I dont know how.

I have no problem with the Suns getting a 1st or 2nd from us and/or a 1st or 2nd from the Nets.