Ginobili out Tonight, Possibly Longer

[FromWayDowntown]

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/ginobili-out-to.html

Ginobili out tonight, possibly longer
By Jeff McDonald on Feb 17, 2009

Spurs guard Manu Ginobili did not travel with the team to New York for tonight's game against the Knicks, opting instead to remain behind in San Antonio for testing on a sore right ankle that had been bothering him since before the All-Star break.

Ginobili will undergo those tests today. If the results are negative and the soreness subsides, it is possible he could rejoin the team in the midst of their three-game road trip, which continues at Detroit on Thursday and Washington on Saturday.

The good news for the Spurs, and for Ginobili, is that the soreness is not in the same ankle he had surgically repaired over the offseason.

[jiggy_55]

Ginobili out tonight, possibly longer
By Jeff McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)
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Spurs guard Manu Ginobili did not travel with the team to New York for tonight's game against the Knicks, opting instead to remain behind in San Antonio for testing on a sore right ankle that had been bothering him since before the All-Star break.

Ginobili will undergo those tests today. If the results are negative and the soreness subsides, it is possible he could rejoin the team in the midst of their three-game road trip, which continues at Detroit on Thursday and Washington on Saturday.

The good news for the Spurs, and for Ginobili, is that the soreness is not in the same ankle he had surgically repaired over the offseason.

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[xtremesteven33]

Oh crap

[Dex]

Wellllllllllll fussbuckets.

[FromWayDowntown]

Talents aside, this might explain the substantial reported interest in Carter . . . .

[jiggy_55]

Well, i guess someone beat me to it.. Was posted a minute earlier

[lefty]

Oh no.........

I hope he'll be healthy for the playoffs

Thks God for Hill and Mason

[lefty]

Well, i guess someone beat me to it.. Was posted a minute earlier

Yes, someone did :lol

[Mr Bones]

Talents aside, this might explain the substantial reported interest in Carter . . . .

And Salmons...

[hater]

trade his ass!

[Dr. Gonzo]

He should put some ice on it.

[angel_luv]

Feel Better, MG! :)

[coyotes_geek]

Talents aside, this might explain the substantial reported interest in Carter . . . .

You've got a point there.

[FromWayDowntown]

And Salmons...

Yup.

[DBMethos]

Well this certainly puts a new spin on things...

[Texas_Ranger]

Oh man...That really sucks...Fuck!!

[tlongII]

I wonder if he has the same problem in that ankle that he had in his left ankle? If so, the Spurs can say goodbye to any playoff aspirations.

[Shastafarian]

Doesn't matter.

Manu sucks and we should trade him!

- SequSpur

[YODA]

Scary to hear this,,,much better to hear it was other ankle

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I wonder if he has the same problem in that ankle that he had in his left ankle? If so, the Spurs can say goodbye to any playoff aspirations.

:lmao @ the wishful thinking

[tlongII]

Could he have been over-compensating for his left ankle during his return? This sometimes happens when athletes over-stress their good side.

[timvp]

At least it's his other ankle ...........

Weird that he was having problems with it since before the All-Star break, especially since he was playing his best basketball of the season right before the break. I wonder how long it's been an issue.

But yeah, if this is an injury that could linger or is serious in any way, getting Vince Carter suddenly makes a lot of sense. With no Ginobili, the Spurs have no shot a championship. Carter in addition to TD and TP the Spurs probably don't win either but at least there's a chance.

[hater]

Could he have been over-compensating for his left ankle during his return? This sometimes happens when athletes over-stress their good side.

true. When I hurt my ankle, after recovery for some reason my other ankle keeps hurting.

I am 99% it's nothing major though. he will be out 1-3 games

[Dr. Gonzo]

I really think he should put some ice on it.

[Whisky Dog]

Get Carter, rest Manu and go into the playoffs with TD, TP, Carter and Manu healthy... if all goes well.

[Mr Bones]

Could he have been over-compensating for his left ankle during his return? This sometimes happens when athletes over-stress their good side.

Very true. This is also why some people believe that Greg Oden, whose legs are different lengths, will always have injury issues. His knees and hips are in a constant state of compensating for the one leg being slightly longer than the other.

[MoSpur]

Sore ankle? Man up Manu!

[MoSpur]

Kidding

[nkdlunch]

that sitting down the big 3 in Denver move is looking better and better Pop. :pctoss

[The Truth #6]

The timing of this makes me think "possible trade".

I'd feel much better if Finley, Oberto, Vaughn, Ime, and even Mason all sat out with injuries that just happened to occur right before the trade deadline.

Maybe a big man is on the way? But really who knows? The ankle issue could be legit.

[EricB]

that sitting down the big 3 in Denver move is looking better and better Pop. :pctoss

So he should've played Manu and made the ankle worse?

Great idea :tu

[EricB]

This news really puts a kink in negotiating plans as well, cause if they WERE in talks FOR Vince Carter or John Salmons, then the other team's barganing position just became alot stronger.

Bad news all the way around.

[nkdlunch]

So he should've played Manu and made the ankle worse?

Great idea :tu

no genius. we possibly could have won with only 1 of the big 3 playing.

This Manu injury is the reason why you don't throw away games to conference rivals

[EricB]

no genius. we possibly could have won with only 1 of the big 3 playing.

This Manu injury is the reason why you don't throw away games to conference rivals

:lol

How do you know they would've?

How do you know that Parker or Duncan would've been so bad, that they would've taken away shots from guys that made em?

Its impossible to say that if 1 of the big 3 had played they would've won.

Piss poor arguement.

[nkdlunch]

It is so funny CIA Pop had kept this quiet all along. While the trade negotiations were going on.

This clearly means Pop waited till the last minute possible to let ppl know Manu's hurt. Trades are NOT gonna happen. Pop probably gave up.

[tlongII]

no genius. We possibly could have won with only 1 of the big 3 playing.

This manu injury is the reason why you don't throw away games to conference rivals

+1

[EricB]

It is so funny CIA Pop had kept this quiet all along. While the trade negotiations were going on.

This clearly means Pop waited till the last minute possible to let ppl know Manu's hurt. Trades are NOT gonna happen. Pop probably gave up.

"we are not trading anyone. We have the team we want" - Pop March 2005

[nkdlunch]

:lol

How do you know they would've?

How do you know that Parker or Duncan would've been so bad, that they would've taken away shots from guys that made em?

Its impossible to say that if 1 of the big 3 had played they would've won.

Piss poor arguement.

how do you know they wouldn't have???

common sense says chances with even 1 of them playing go up by a lot.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I just checked webmd.com and it confirmed my previous posts. Ice will help a sore ankle. Let's just pray he's putting some ice on it.

[benefactor]

With every nagging injury it looks more and more like 2010 will be Manu's final season as a Spur and probably in the NBA. His body simply cannot handle his style of play any longer. That being said, hopefully it is nothing serious and he is back in a couple of games.

[hater]

Manu is breaking down more often my my friend's 2001 Audi :pctoss :pctoss

[xtremesteven33]

Hopefully theyre just not playing him cause they want to give him extra rest.

Knicks,Pistons,Wizards are not very good teams right now and it looks like we can win 2 of 3 without Manu.

[FromWayDowntown]

no genius. we possibly could have won with only 1 of the big 3 playing.

This Manu injury is the reason why you don't throw away games to conference rivals

They possibly could have still lost, too. If Manu or Tim or Tony plays that night and the Spurs still lose, they're in exactly the same situation that they now find themselves -- 4 up on most of the conference with an injured Manu Even if Manu had played that night, the Spurs are 2 up on Denver and 4 up on the rest of the conference. Beyond the tiebreaker, it doesn't strike me as a big deal.

At this point, the Spurs are 4 games clear of everyone else in their division and 4 games clear of everyone in the conference other than LA and Denver. And if you're so sure that the Spurs could have won with only 1 of the big 3, you've got to feel pretty confident that the Spurs could win at least 1 playoff game in Denver, right? Unless you think the Spurs are going to completely fall off the cliff, the difference is marginal and can be overcome.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bad news

Get well soon Manu

[Mr Bones]

Salmons is averaging about 18/4/4 this season, is 29 years old, and is signed for the next two years at about 5 million a year. His contract is an absolute steal for what anyone would be getting in return. If Sacramento is in salary-slashing mode, it's really a no lose situation for the Spurs. He's an upgrade at a very reasonable price, and wouldn't kill the Spurs' salary cap like Carter.

[hater]

They possibly could have still lost, too. If Manu or Tim or Tony plays that night and the Spurs still lose, they're in exactly the same situation that they now find themselves -- 4 up on most of the conference with an injured Manu Even if Manu had played that night, the Spurs are 2 up on Denver and 4 up on the rest of the conference. Beyond the tiebreaker, it doesn't strike me as a big deal.

At this point, the Spurs are 4 games clear of everyone else in their division and 4 games clear of everyone in the conference other than LA and Denver. And if you're so sure that the Spurs could have won with only 1 of the big 3, you've got to feel pretty confident that the Spurs could win at least 1 playoff game in Denver, right? Unless you think the Spurs are going to completely fall off the cliff, the difference is marginal and can be overcome.


don't wanna argue about this since it's pointlesss but...

chances of spurs winning with 1 of big 3 >> chances of spurs winning w/out big 3


maybe it's better to "try" to win games instead of throwing them away, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. Especially if it's vs. conference rival.

[MoSpur]

Wow. Could Pop have told Manu as soon as they're about to get on the plane, "Manu...go ahead and stay. We might trade you." Manu getting the Brent Barry treatment?


Again, kidding.

[Manufan909]

With every nagging injury it looks more and more like 2010 will be Manu's final season as a Spur and probably in the NBA. His body simply cannot handle his style of play any longer. That being said, hopefully it is nothing serious and he is back in a couple of games.

Good job b, for a sec I thought you were going to overreacte.:rolleyes

Not trying to be rude, I just think you're seeing shit that isn't there. I think this is a classic case of one ankle overcompensating for the other, like with Ian, but to a lesser degree. Or it could be a smokescreen, who knows? CIA Pop, baby.:downspin::king:toast

[StoneBuddha]

Well, the really scary thing is that he needs the rest even after sitting out almost a week. Not a good sign.

Like others, I'm perplexed because he was starting to look better physically.

Let's just hope for the best.

[hater]

don't wanna argue about this since it's pointlesss but...

chances of spurs winning with 1 of big 3 >> chances of spurs winning w/out big 3


maybe it's better to "try" to win games instead of throwing them away, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. Especially if it's vs. conference rival.

[MoSpur]

Its very weird now that you think about it. He hasn't played too much and got a lot of rest. Why wait until the day before the road trip to get the ankle looked at? Today is the 17th. When is the trade deadline? the 19th? Maybe I am reading too much into this. I hope so.

[Mr Bones]

Manu missed the Denver game because of a bruised thigh, so it's a moot point with him, but I still think in retrospect that putting in Tim and Tony in the 4th quarter of a close game would've been a good move, and would've been as surprising to Denver as initially sitting them. Regardless of the outcome, they both would've only played 7 or 8 minutes, which is still essentially a night off for an nba player. Tomato, tomaato... we'll probably never know... it's a judgement call.

[cheguevara]

Its very weird now that you think about it. He hasn't played too much and got a lot of rest. Why wait until the day before the road trip to get the ankle looked at? Today is the 17th. When is the trade deadline? the 19th? Maybe I am reading too much into this. I hope so.

yup one of 2 things happened:

1) this is a serious injury that is why spurs office kept it a secret while negotiating
2) this is not too serious that is why doctors + Manu did not mention it. This move is just precautionary

I really, really hope its #2

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Ginobili's hurt?! No way!!!

How did that happen??

When are the Spurs going to trade this guy and get a reliable, durable, scoring guard that doesn't turn the ball over 5 times a night?

[Manufan909]

When will you finally get banned?

[MoSpur]

So he should've played Manu and made the ankle worse?

Great idea :tu


Umm...Manu did play after the Denver game.

[Mugen]

Well that sucks.

I kinda see this as an end to the Carter talks. Since we would be giving up three players from our backcourt rotation (Hill, Mase, Bowen) for Carter.

With Manu out for who knows how long, that would leave use with Parker, Carter, Fin, Udoka, Hairston, and Vaughn as our backcourt. Scary.

At least thats how i see it. Best case scenario: manu's out for a couple games and the guys step into his spot and still get some Ws. Plus Malik gets some real playing time.
Worst case: lingering injury that kills our Championship chances.

Of course, the FO could see this as a sign to make a move for a big time player like Carter for some insurance, who knows.....damn manu... get 100% better...

[MoSpur]

Hairston will score 20+ points tonight. We are playing the D'Antoni Knicks.

[Mr Bones]

Ginobili's hurt?! No way!!!

How did that happen??

When are the Spurs going to trade this guy and get a reliable, durable....

Ironic, as you have Bill Walton as your avatar!

[Manufan909]

Hairston will score 20+ points tonight. We are playing the D'Antoni Knicks.

+1

Hairston and Hill better get to 17 this game with Manu out.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

At first I thought SA was sitting him out to trade him for Carter and I was pissed! :lol

[SenorSpur]

Salmons is averaging about 18/4/4 this season, is 29 years old, and is signed for the next two years at about 5 million a year. His contract is an absolute steal for what anyone would be getting in return. If Sacramento is in salary-slashing mode, it's really a no lose situation for the Spurs. He's an upgrade at a very reasonable price, and wouldn't kill the Spurs' salary cap like Carter.

While Salmons isn't the offensive machine that Carter is, he may be a better fit - in many other ways.

If the Spurs can't bring in a big, I'd rather see them go this route.

[Manufan909]

Is Salmons an SF?

[polandprzem]

Umm he had a freaking break what the hell is going on there?

He was getting into rythym and now again he will have to start his way back into game shape

[SenorSpur]

is salmons an sf?

sg

[Brazil]

We should tank the season

[Manufan909]

Umm he had a freaking break what the hell is going on there?

He was getting into rythym and now again he will have to start his way back into game shape

Yeah... no. Don't think it'll be that serious.

And thanks senor. Fuck, I was hoping SF, so he could take time away from Fin.

[porscha]

manu please get well,dont come back if not 100%

[ss1986v2]

While Salmons isn't the offensive machine that Carter is, he may be a better fit - in many other ways.

If the Spurs can't bring in a big, I'd rather see them go this route.

ive said it before too. if there isnt a play to be made for a big, id rather inquire about salmons than stand pat. he doesnt provide a necessity, but he improves our sf spot, and give us a bit of insurance if one of our other wings comes up a bit gimpy. and with his contract, even if his scoring falls off, as long as hes hitting even near his recent percentages and playing defense, hes a big plus.

problem is, i dont think they want to move salmons for cap space alone. they are really hoping to package him with one of moore or thomas. and we probably cant swing that kind of deal (not without having to go into the tax to do it).

[chreph]

Damn... I know it's a big "no-no" to suggest this, but I recall hearing something about subbing manu for mason or hill in the VC deal to get the Nets to include Lopez. It would hurt to go through with because he's been the heart & soul of the team, but I would've done it before this news. I wonder if they can swing that? lol :depressed

[2Cleva]

If this is anything that's going to linger - and it would appear even the best case it'll bother him for a while - LA is going to sleepwalk to the Finals.

[ss1986v2]

Damn... I know it's a big "no-no" to suggest this, but I recall hearing something about subbing manu for mason or hill in the VC deal to get the Nets to include Lopez. It would hurt to go through with because he's been the heart & soul of the team, but I would've done it before this news. I wonder if they can swing that? lol :depressed

nets have no interest in manu. their window is 2010 and beyond. trading an aging veteran sg for an aging veteran sg while having to dump one of the best big man prospects in the entire league is ludicrous.

[timvp]

I just can't see how this would be trade related. Pop couldn't go to Manu and be like "hey sit out these couple of games because we might trade you and we don't want you to get hurt. If the trade doesn't pan out, then you can join us later in the week :tu"

Manu has to be hurt. And to be hurt for a while before the break and still hurt after the break is bad news.

GWS :depressed

[Harry Callahan]

Maybe that's why he struggled converting buckets at the end of the Toronto game? Seems weird to crop up now and not late last week.

Hopefully nothing serious, but after last year it would suck not knowing which Manu you were going to get game by game. That sunk our chances last year.

[Fundamental]

Nurse that ankle Manu. We can handle the Nicks while you get well.

[timvp]

Hopefully it's a minor sprain and the Spurs are just being extra cautious because they don't want him to overcompensate on his surgically-repaired ankle. It'd be great to get a quote from Manu on this situation . . .

[porscha]

if spurs trade manu; I will burn down the AT&T
shoot peter
kill pop
slap timmy
kick tony
and pull coyote's hair out one by one

:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

[angel_luv]

If the Spurs trade Manu, it will be the last I ever root for them, even though I'll always really like Timmy.

The Spurs have been mostly dead to me since Pop traded Rasho anyways.

[Duncan2177]

SOB:bang

[completely deck]

I don't see Manu being traded. I think he's honestly sore. Maybe Pop is going to play people he would like to be traded to "show them off"...? It's the Knicks, so why not? Not much of a risk.

[2Cleva]

Damn, how many Spurs fans are actually just Argentinian or Ginobili fans?

If they were to deal him (unlikely they will) its not like they are dealing a stud in his prime like Parker or a HOFer like Duncan. Manu is about done anyway.

[024]

hopefully this is only short term and not some lingering effect ginobili will have for the rest of his career after his ankle surgery. he just returned to full form and it turns out his ankle couldn't handle it. him possibly going tmac the rest of his career is troubling.

[urunobili]

At his point we just need to know from Manu himself to see how severe that was and why they didn't seat him out in the Toronto game if it was injured then already...

I think Pop is just being TOO conservative and cautious on a lil pain... that's all...

[timvp]

hopefully this is only short term and not some lingering effect ginobili will have for the rest of his career after his ankle surgery. he just returned to full form and it turns out his ankle couldn't handle it. him possibly going tmac the rest of his career is troubling.
Other ankle.

[1Parker1]

If the Spurs trade Manu, it will be the last I ever root for them, even though I'll always really like Timmy.

The Spurs have been mostly dead to me since Pop traded Rasho anyways.

What?? Angel is that really you??

[Blake]

well, hopefully the Spurs will turn a negative into a positive.

That young guy Finley obviously needs to get some more playing time and get some confidence. He just looks a bit scared out there which is totally understandable for a rookie like him.

[WalterBenitez]

Ginobili's hurt?! No way!!!

How did that happen??

When are the Spurs going to trade this guy and get a reliable, durable, scoring guard that doesn't turn the ball over 5 times a night?


W ii? playstation? :wow

Holy crap

[chreph]

nets have no interest in manu. their window is 2010 and beyond. trading an aging veteran sg for an aging veteran sg while having to dump one of the best big man prospects in the entire league is ludicrous.

I thought Manu's contract ends in 2010? Also, Manu makes considerably less than Carter while producing at the around the same level so there is some financial benefits there. Since they are looking at remaining competitive between now and then while looking to revamp come 2010, they could get Manu who should rub off on their young players while keeping the team competitive + throw-in A + throw-in B + maybe Splitter's rights (talented big man for the future who can still come to the NBA in 2010) all while saving money. The Spurs get a replacement for Manu (VC) AND frontcourt help for Tim (Lopez). It would hurt to see Manu go, but I think it would make sense for both teams.

For the record, I know Manu's not going ANYWHERE but it would make business/basketball sense. :toast

[Duncan2177]

well, hopefully the Spurs will turn a negative into a positive.

That young guy Finley obviously needs to get some more playing time and get some confidence. He just looks a bit scared out there which is totally understandable for a rookie like him.

Well now is the time to not be scared the youngster needs to show what he's made of.

[Shastafarian]

Damn, how many Spurs fans are actually just Argentinian or Ginobili fans?

If they were to deal him (unlikely they will) its not like they are dealing a stud in his prime like Parker or a HOFer like Duncan. Manu is about done anyway.

:lol

In his last 10 games he's averaging:

20 points
5.9 rebounds
3.7 assists
2.5 steals

Sure sounds like he's "done". :rollin

[Manufan909]

:lol

In his last 10 games he's averaging:

20 points
5.9 rebounds
3.7 assists
2.5 steals

Sure sounds like he's "done". :rollin

pwnage, signed Shasta

[ss1986v2]

I thought Manu's contract ends in 2010? Also, Manu makes considerably less than Carter while producing at the around the same level so there is some financial benefits there. Since they are looking at remaining competitive between now and then while looking to revamp come 2010, they could get Manu who should rub off on their young players while keeping the team competitive + throw-in A + throw-in B + maybe Splitter's rights (talented big man for the future who can still come to the NBA in 2010) all while saving money. The Spurs get a replacement for Manu (VC) AND frontcourt help for Tim (Lopez). It would hurt to see Manu go, but I think it would make sense for both teams.

For the record, I know Manu's not going ANYWHERE but it would make business/basketball sense. :toast

if you believe any of the rumors going around, if they are looking to trade vince for cap relief, then they arent looking to stay competitive. they would rather take the immediate saving from netting expirings/cheaper contracts than the lesser savings from receiving manu.

i doubt they would do carter for manu straight up, let alone include a player like lopez. most people here have his value pegged way too low. hes one of the steals of the 08 class.

[Spurs Brazil]

Hopefully it's a minor sprain and the Spurs are just being extra cautious because they don't want him to overcompensate on his surgically-repaired ankle. It'd be great to get a quote from Manu on this situation . . .

We need to keep an eye on Manu forum. He usually speaks there

[DPG21920]

Well, there is not much to talk about until we get a definitive report on Manu's situation.

[rascal]

If the Spurs trade Manu, it will be the last I ever root for them, even though I'll always really like Timmy.

The Spurs have been mostly dead to me since Pop traded Rasho anyways.

Then you are not a spurs fan but a fan of certain players.

[chreph]

if you believe any of the rumors going around, if they are looking to trade vince for cap relief, then they arent looking to stay competitive. they would rather take the immediate saving from netting expirings/cheaper contracts than the lesser savings from receiving manu.

i doubt they would do carter for manu straight up, let alone include a player like lopez. most people here have his value pegged way too low. hes one of the steals of the 08 class.

NJ needs to put a team out on the floor for the 09-10 season. Why would they trade VC for deals that all run out at the end of this season and then be forced to overpay someone to take a 1 year deal during the offseason?

I agree on the Lopez take... I don't undervalue him at all. He's the only reason I would (hypothetically) do this trade. No way I'd involve Manu in a trade for VC, but if it would help pry Lopez away :wow

[2Cleva]

In his last 10 games he's averaging:

20 points
5.9 rebounds
3.7 assists
2.5 steals

Sure sounds like he's "done".

Big picture is much larger than 10 games. Ginobili has missed 13 of 51 games already, likely to be 16 of 54 after this road trip.

Last year he only missed 8 games. The most he missed was in 05-06 at 17 - which he likely will surpass this year if this injury is anything worse than best-case scenario.

He still has skills but if he doesn't have the health what good is it? Physically - that fuel tank is getting closer and closer to E. What does he have left - 1, no more than 2 years, before he falls apart completely?

[Shastafarian]

Big picture is much larger than 10 games. Ginobili has missed 13 of 51 games already, likely to be 16 of 54 after this road trip. As long as he's healthy for the playoffs, it doesn't matter that much.


Last year he only missed 8 games. The most he missed was in 05-06 at 17 - which he likely will surpass this year if this injury is anything worse than best-case scenario.And last year he was injured for the playoffs which struck a death knell to the Spurs title hopes. I'd rather have the Spurs be cautious with him during the season if it means him being healthy for the playoffs.


He still has skills but if he doesn't have the health what good is it? Physically - that fuel tank is getting closer and closer to E. What does he have left - 1, no more than 2 years, before he falls apart completely?Closer to empty? Because he's had a couple ankle injuries? Seriously?

[2Cleva]

The games missed combined at the age he as has to be a major red flag for SA.

How close was SA from cutting bait with him this past summer for those ankle injuries? If Manu loses his quickness, he loses the best part of his game. No reason he should be guarded by the likes of Sasha Vujacic.

We'll see how it plays out. But this doesn't sound like a simple precaution considering all the rest he had prior to the AS break and the word its been bothering him for some time.

[timvp]

How close was SA from cutting bait with him this past summer for those ankle injuries?Not close at all.


If Manu loses his quickness, he loses the best part of his game.Manu is more shifty than quick.


No reason he should be guarded by the likes of Sasha Vujacic.Injured.

That's like saying no reason Bynum should have averaged zero points in the Finals while the Lakers were getting curbstomped by the Celtics.


But this doesn't sound like a simple precautionIt doesn't sound like anything because there's hardly any news. Before dancing on Manu's grave, at least get confirmation on the nature of the injury.

[024]

Other ankle.

still ankle related. no use not hurting the surgery ankle if he overcompensates with the other.

[chreph]

I didn't catch it, but did anyone throw out a "Ian Mahinmi Forum" post? :lol

*knock on wood*

[bigdog]

Even though it's the other ankle, it still scares me a bit that Manu keeps getting injured. I know we don't know what the injury is yet, but if it's been bothering him since before the break, I'd be at least somewhat concerned.

I can also see a trade for Carter or Salmons happening now that Ginobili could possibly be out for a while.

[DPG21920]

Even though it's the other ankle, it still scares me a bit that Manu keeps getting injured. I know we don't know what the injury is yet, but if it's been bothering him since before the break, I'd be at least somewhat concerned.

I can also see a trade for Carter or Salmons happening now that Ginobili could possibly be out for a while.

I don't see why Gino would effect that. If they were able to do a trade before for either one of those players, I am sure they probably would. I don't think Gino going down makes them more urgent to do something that could effect the team long term.

[angel_luv]

What?? Angel is that really you??

Yea it's me. :)

I lost a lot of attachment to the Spurs when they sent Rasho away.

The only reason I still root for them as much as I do is because of Manu.


I like Roger Mason, like Finley and Bruce and really like Timmy.
But without Manu, the Spurs lose their appeal to me.

I would root for the Mavericks if Manu went there. Phoenix too- although given that Shaq and Amare play there that would be a very undesirable scenario.

[angel_luv]

Then you are not a spurs fan but a fan of certain players.

I would never claim otherwise.

You are exactly right.

[KaiRMD1]

Damn it!

[xtremesteven33]

San Antonio would riot if the Spurs traded Manu.










nervermind....its San Antonio. haha

[Blake]

:lol

In his last 10 games he's averaging:

20 points
5.9 rebounds
3.7 assists
2.5 steals

Sure sounds like he's "done". :rollin

haven't you seen the latest HEB ad? His legs look all wobbly and is bending horribly in ways that legs shouldn't bend.

....Tim as well.

[Blake]

If the Spurs trade Manu, it will be the last I ever root for them, even though I'll always really like Timmy.

The Spurs have been mostly dead to me since Pop traded Rasho anyways.

I was busting out the champagne when the Spurs unloaded that 7 foot sack of potatoes.

[Blake]

Big picture is much larger than 10 games. Ginobili has missed 13 of 51 games already, likely to be 16 of 54 after this road trip.

Last year he only missed 8 games. The most he missed was in 05-06 at 17 - which he likely will surpass this year if this injury is anything worse than best-case scenario.

He still has skills but if he doesn't have the health what good is it? Physically - that fuel tank is getting closer and closer to E. What does he have left - 1, no more than 2 years, before he falls apart completely?

If the Spurs get in the playoffs with home court in the first round, then I don't care if he misses 40 games.

Big Picture is a healthy Manu in the playoffs.

[urunobili]

Manu for Josh Howard? that's what y'all deserve! :pctoss

[Blake]

The games missed combined at the age he as has to be a major red flag for SA.

How close was SA from cutting bait with him this past summer for those ankle injuries? If Manu loses his quickness, he loses the best part of his game. No reason he should be guarded by the likes of Sasha Vujacic.

We'll see how it plays out. But this doesn't sound like a simple precaution considering all the rest he had prior to the AS break and the word its been bothering him for some time.

so what are you proposing to do? Trade Manu?

Who the heck do you think the Spurs could get right now for what you say is a over the hill, near the end of the line Manu?

[Blake]

I don't see why Gino would effect that. If they were able to do a trade before for either one of those players, I am sure they probably would. I don't think Gino going down makes them more urgent to do something that could effect the team long term.

You're just ready to ditch the entire Spurs roster and start over, aren't you.

First you want to trade Duncan for LBJ or Dwight Howard and now you want to trade Manu for Carter or even Salmons?

WTF is your problem?

[Old School 44]

Manu's not going anywhere. He has too much value to the Spurs on and off the court. The front office is not that dumb.

[Galileo]

I'm more worried about Duncan's sore knee. Does anyone know much about that?

[2Cleva]

Manu is more shifty than quick.

Either way he needs his ankles.


so what are you proposing to do? Trade Manu?

Who the heck do you think the Spurs could get right now for what you say is a over the hill, near the end of the line Manu?

No. If I'm SA I forget the future and go all-out to try to win now around the Big 3 - if that means dealing Mason and Hill so-be-it. Even if its only Vince - that may further entice a FA like Sheed to sign for MLE next year.

Once Duncan/Manu run out - the Spurs run is over. Best to load up with guys now - worry about the youth and rebuilding when the run dies.

[SpursFanFirst]

I wonder if he has the same problem in that ankle that he had in his left ankle? If so, the Spurs can say goodbye to any playoff aspirations.

Wow. Wishful thinking?

[hater]

The games missed combined at the age he as has to be a major red flag for SA.

How close was SA from cutting bait with him this past summer for those ankle injuries? If Manu loses his quickness, he loses the best part of his game. No reason he should be guarded by the likes of Sasha Vujacic.

We'll see how it plays out. But this doesn't sound like a simple precaution considering all the rest he had prior to the AS break and the word its been bothering him for some time.

:rolleyes

2 words for this dumb laker fan:

Andrew Bynum

[2Cleva]

LA arguably doesn't need Andrew Bynum to win a ring but definitely doesn't need him to win the West. That doesn't make or break LA.

Can the same be said for the Spurs with Ginobili?











I didn't think so.

[DPG21920]

You're just ready to ditch the entire Spurs roster and start over, aren't you.

First you want to trade Duncan for LBJ or Dwight Howard and now you want to trade Manu for Carter or even Salmons?

WTF is your problem?

Are you retarded? This is a real question. Where do you get that I want to trade Ginobili from my post? Or any other Spur player for that matter? I hypothetically asked if the Spurs could get Lebron or Dwight would the Spurs trade Duncan. That does not = me saying blow up the team and trade Duncan.


Then I make a comment that Gino being hurt has nothing to do with the Spurs making other moves and you say I want to trade Gino. Quit swinging from my **** and STFU. You are a joke of a human.

[HarlemHeat37]

ugh..just rest him as long as he needs..

I really hope this isn't going to be Manu's story for the rest of his career..we can't afford injuries like this..hopefully it isn't a big deal..

[Flux451]

LA arguably doesn't need Andrew Bynum to win a ring but definitely doesn't need him to win the West. That doesn't make or break LA.

Can the same be said for the Spurs with Ginobili?

I didn't think so.


Wasn't it evident last year that the spurs need a healthy Ginobili? His lack of 100% health was the sole reason lakers beat the spurs.

I think the Lakers need a consistent Bynum to pull out a ring this year.

I see your point though, Giniobili is a much better player then Bynum. Ginobilli is a huge part of the Spurs victories. Bynum is a role player that pushes the Lakers enough to win a title, if he is not so egocentric.

[Blake]

Are you retarded? This is a real question. Where do you get that I want to trade Ginobili from my post? Or any other Spur player for that matter? I hypothetically asked if the Spurs could get Lebron or Dwight would the Spurs trade Duncan. That does not = me saying blow up the team and trade Duncan.

then why the hell do you keep saying this sh1t? :lol

moron.


Then I make a comment that Gino being hurt has nothing to do with the Spurs making other moves and you say I want to trade Gino. Quit swinging from my **** and STFU. You are a joke of a human.

No, you say the front office would probably trade Manu:


I don't see why Gino would effect that. If they were able to do a trade before for either one of those players, I am sure they probably would. I don't think Gino going down makes them more urgent to do something that could effect the team long term.

which means you have no problem getting rid of him.

Quit talking out of your ass and GTFO. You are a joke of a monkey.

[stéphane]

erf that sucks...
Rest that ankle Manu, we need you at full strenght.

[coyotes_geek]

San Antonio would riot if the Spurs traded Manu.


nervermind....its San Antonio. haha

True, there wouldn't be a riot. Everyone would just head to Academy and start looking for T-shirts that expressed an appropriate sentiment...........

[EricB]

The more I think about this, the more this ankle thing doesn't pass the smell test.

Somethings up.

[MoSpur]

I would probably cry if the Spurs sent Manu somewhere else. I'd understand it depending on who they get in return. I'd be very sad. As a kid I was very sad when they traded Sean Elliott to Detroit. I think trading Manu would be worse because the dude is the heart and soul of this team.

As I stated earlier, it seems like the Brent Barry thing all over again.

[crc21209]

Eric B? Hmmmm I'm listening to the Chris Duel show, is the Eric B theyre talking about you? lol. Just asking...

[crc21209]

So Chris Duel is talking about how NOT ONE S.A. analyst reported on this yesterday about Manu's ankle, that practice went normal and Manu practiced....anyone scared yet?

[MoSpur]

Yes. Its the same Eric B. He changed his name from TPark to Eric B because TPark turned his back on the Spurs in the playoffs awhile back.

[DPG21920]

then why the hell do you keep saying this sh1t? :lol

moron.



No, you say the front office would probably trade Manu:



which means you have no problem getting rid of him.

Quit talking out of your ass and GTFO. You are a joke of a monkey.

You are an idiot. That comment you highlighted meant that if the Spurs could realistically swing a trade for VC or Salmons they would do it no matter if Gino was hurt or healthy. None of the trades being discussed (VC for Fab, Bowen, Mason and Hill) or Salmons for (Bowen and Udoka..) included Gino being traded, so WTF are you talking about.

You are obsessed with me and it makes you look like a creepy idiot. So, shhhhh.

[crc21209]

I know who TPark was, and that he changed his name on here to Eric B. But I was just wondering if it was the same one being talked about as the "Hall of Fame" caller from Chris Duel's show.

[EricB]

Yes. Its the same Eric B. He changed his name from TPark to Eric B because TPark turned his back on the Spurs in the playoffs awhile back.


:lmao

Not even close to being correct.

[MoSpur]

I know that Manu is injury prone and at times turnover happy, but Manu is THE X-FACTOR of the Spurs.

[crc21209]

I disagree right now with the idea of trading Manu Ginobili, can you imagine what he would do to us? He would come back and kick our ass so bad its not even funny.

[EricB]

Everything being said, if your trading Ginobili, it better be for a damn damn good player.

Does Vince Carter qualify?? IMO, I don't think so.

[crc21209]

Everything being said, if your trading Ginobili, it better be for a damn damn good player.

Does Vince Carter qualify?? IMO, I don't think so.



HELL NO! VC does not qualify as a top superstar player worthy for Manu.

[DPG21920]

Everything being said, if your trading Ginobili, it better be for a damn damn good player.

Does Vince Carter qualify?? IMO, I don't think so.

Exactly, if the Nets where expecting to get a friendlier contract and a better player (IMO) in Ginobili, they better be willing to part with Lopez. Even then...

[EricB]

Exactly, if the Nets where expecting to get a friendlier contract and a better player (IMO) in Ginobili, they better be willing to part with Lopez. Even then...

Vince Carter Brook Lopez?

ok now you've made it difficult...

[SouthTexasRancher]

Either way he needs his ankles.


No. If I'm SA I forget the future and go all-out to try to win now around the Big 3 - if that means dealing Mason and Hill so-be-it. Even if its only Vince - that may further entice a FA like Sheed to sign for MLE next year.

Once Duncan/Manu run out - the Spurs run is over. Best to load up with guys now - worry about the youth and rebuilding when the run dies.


2Cleva, I saw you on Jay Leno's 'Street Talk' the other night. You know, that segment after the monologue when they come back from the first commercial break and Jay goes out into the streets of Los Angeles and asks people from LA really simple questions and the idiot on the street comes back with a really, really stupid answer.

If I were you, 2Cleva, which thankfully I am not, I would be worrying about your Fakers. If either Kobe or Gasol goes down it is over with for the LaLa Lander's!

BTW, your LA Fakers got slaughtered by the Celtics last season. That was embarrassing for the whole NBA. The Fakers have lost more NBA Finals than any other team in history! Time to let a team that has never lost in the Finals to represent the West this year.

[jcrod]

The Spurs are not going to trade Manu, stop trying to read more than there is. Its simply an ankle sprain.

[DPG21920]

I do not think Manu will be traded, I am just saying it would take a minimum of Lopez/VC to get the Spurs to listen.

[EricB]

The Spurs are not going to trade Manu, stop trying to read more than there is. Its simply an ankle sprain.


Then something happened in practice tommarow.

He practiced normally yesterday according to all reports.

Again, I'm not nor is anyone else saying hes getting traded, but to me, IMO, this does not pass the smell test.

[Blake]

You are an idiot. That comment you highlighted meant that if the Spurs could realistically somehow swing a trade for VC or Salmons they would do it no matter if Gino was hurt or health.

You really think the Spurs would trade Manu for Salmons?

:lol you are king of the dipsh1ts.



None of the trades being discussed (VC for Fab, Bowen, Mason and Hill) or Salmons for (Bowen and Udoka..) included Gino being traded, so WTF are you talking about.


I am talking about you saying that the Spurs would trade Duncan for LeBron and Manu for Vince if they had the chance.

Fools like you deserve to be flamed.


You are obsessed with me and it makes you look like a creepy idiot. So, shhhhh.

:lol Off the top of my head, I have responded with worse to at least 3 others today. I treat all dumbasses equally.

Either own it or put me on ignore but you sound like a 3rd grade female teacher saying "shhhhhh"........
what are you going to do next? Turn the lights on and off in the classroom until I shut up?

:lol sorry excuse for a hamster

[crc21209]

Then something happened in practice tommarow.

He practiced normally yesterday according to all reports.

Again, I'm not nor is anyone else saying hes getting traded, but to me, IMO, this does not pass the smell test.

Either he hurt it during practice, or it's been bothering him and he did not say a word until yesterday or the pain worsened yesterday to the point where he had to bring something up. I HOPE.

[Blake]

Then something happened in practice tommarow.


really? what else happened tommarow?

[DPG21920]

You really think the Spurs would trade Manu for Salmons?

:lol you are king of the dipsh1ts.





I am talking about you saying that the Spurs would trade Duncan for LeBron and Manu for Vince if they had the chance.

Fools like you deserve to be flamed.



:lol Off the top of my head, I have responded with worse to at least 3 others today. I treat all dumbasses equally.

Either own it or put me on ignore but you sound like a 3rd grade female teacher saying "shhhhhh"........
what are you going to do next? Turn the lights on and off in the classroom until I shut up?

:lol sorry excuse for a hamster

The fact that you are pulling that I am saying the Spurs would trade Manu for VC or Salmons out shows the problems you have comprehending. Once again, never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. ::yield

[EricB]

Well, I'm hearing that the ankle injury is possibly a phantom injury.

Trade, rest, whatever it may be...

[coyotes_geek]

After mulling this over, I'm calling BS on this. Manu is fine. This is just CIA Pop tactics. He looked at the schedule, saw it was just the knicks, remembered the heat he took for giving guys the night off in Denver and all of a sudden out comes a story about Manu's ankle hurting. Then for the Detroit game on Thursday Manu, fresh off a full 7 days of rest, will magically discover that his ankle is feeling better and we all move on.

[coyotes_geek]

Well, I'm hearing that the ankle injury is possibly a phantom injury.

Trade, rest, whatever it may be...

Doh! Beat me by seconds.......

[EricB]

really? what else happened tommarow?


Yesterday I meant. Apologies.

[JudynTX]

After mulling this over, I'm calling BS on this. Manu is fine. This is just CIA Pop tactics. He looked at the schedule, saw it was just the knicks, remembered the heat he took for giving guys the night off in Denver and all of a sudden out comes a story about Manu's ankle hurting. Then for the Detroit game on Thursday Manu, fresh off a full 7 days of rest, will magically discover that his ankle is feeling better and we all move on.

:lol @ geek

Remember Blake's Malik Rose blogs?

[DPG21920]

All I said was that if the Spurs were thinking of doing the VC or Salmons trade (one that DID NOT INCLUDE MANU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM) that Manu getting hurt would not make them more urgent to do so.

If those trades were on the table (ONES THAT DO NOT INCLUDE MANU BEING TRADED) that they would probably do it.

Even when I explain, you still act like an idiot and cannot comprehend. Funny that you said guys like me need to be "flammed", ironic coming from a flamer.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, I'm hearing that the ankle injury is possibly a phantom injury.

Not to be a smart ass, but who's your source for that?

[jcrod]

Then something happened in practice tommarow.

He practiced normally yesterday according to all reports.

Again, I'm not nor is anyone else saying hes getting traded, but to me, IMO, this does not pass the smell test.


He probably just decided to finally mention it since it kept bothering him. Manu is nearly untouchable, you're not going to get the same level of talent in return.

Although he is not Untouchable like TP and Tim. TP becuase he's the point and the youngest and Tim, well because he's Tim. I don't see any scenario where you get as much valure in return.

[FromWayDowntown]

Still want to know EricB's source for the notion that this is a "phantom injury."

[coyotes_geek]

:lol @ geek

Remember Blake's Malik Rose blogs?

Manu wants in on the game huh? :king

[EricB]

Not to be a smart ass, but who's your source for that?

If I gave up my source, then he/she wouldn't be a source anymore.

[JudynTX]

Manu wants in on the game huh? :king

:lol:lol Good times back then.

[crc21209]

So Eric you have a source that says this is a "phantom injury?" If it is that, I think this is to give him 2 extra days rest for the Detroit game, I can not believe or even start to think that the Spurs will trade him.

[yavozerb]

Manu,fab,bowen for bosh.....Re-sign bowen for min. after being cut. Noticed Bosh was being held out tonight as well (think its his knee)

[FromWayDowntown]

If I gave up my source, then he/she wouldn't be a source anymore.

That's a convenient way to dodge the question. I could say that my source is telling me that Manu's probably got a torn ligament in his ankle, suffered when he slipped in the shower after practice yesterday.

I'm not asking for a specific name; but without something beyond "I'm hearing . . .," your thought seems about as plausible as mine.

[EricB]

So Eric you have a source that says this is a "phantom injury?" If it is that, I think this is to give him 2 extra days rest for the Detroit game, I can not believe or even start to think that the Spurs will trade him.


All he said is that this injury is a "phantom" injury.

[coyotes_geek]

So Eric you have a source that says this is a "phantom injury?" If it is that, I think this is to give him 2 extra days rest for the Detroit game, I can not believe or even start to think that the Spurs will trade him.

I agree. There's certainly no reason to trade a healthy Manu. At least not for just Vince Carter, all due respect to him.

[DPG21920]

So Eric you have a source that says this is a "phantom injury?" If it is that, I think this is to give him 2 extra days rest for the Detroit game, I can not believe or even start to think that the Spurs will trade him.

It is hard to trade Manu for many reasons: he makes so little money for what he provides, he is more of an "x-factor" than a franchise player and the fans love him.

Not to mention he is one of those players that would really only help a contending team, he is not a "rebuilding" piece so that narrows down the list of suitors.

[EricB]

That's a convenient way to dodge the question. I could say that my source is telling me that Manu's probably got a torn ligament in his ankle, suffered when he slipped in the shower after practice yesterday.

I'm not asking for a specific name; but without something beyond "I'm hearing . . .," your thought seems about as plausible as mine.

What do you want, a name?

I don't understand what you want from me.

[FromWayDowntown]

What do you want, a name?

I don't understand what you want from me.

I just said I don't need a name. But is your source someone in the media? someone associated with the Spurs basketball operations? An AT&T Center employee? Some guy who sold Manu a burger at dinner last night?

Something beyond "I'm hearing . . ." would be helpful to believing what you're saying.

Again, I'm not trying to bust your chops; I'm just trying to get the picture of what's going on here. If you have a source that's close to the situation, that would help me to believe what "you're hearing."

[Bartleby]

and the fans love him.

The Spurs FO would never hear the end of it (and rightfully so).

[EricB]

It is hard to trade Manu for many reasons: he makes so little money for what he provides, he is more of an "x-factor" than a franchise player and the fans love him.

Not to mention he is one of those players that would really only help a contending team, he is not a "rebuilding" piece so that narrows down the list of suitors.


Very true.

Wich is what makes "Manu is being traded" all the more strange.

[EricB]

I just said I don't need a name. But is your source someone in the media? someone associated with the Spurs basketball operations? An AT&T Center employee? Some guy who sold Manu a burger at dinner last night?

Something beyond "I'm hearing . . ." would be helpful to believing what you're saying.

Again, I'm not trying to bust your chops; I'm just trying to get the picture of what's going on here. If you have a source that's close to the situation, that would help me to believe what "you're hearing."


I don't know how the said source would react to me revealing that much so I'm sorry, you'll just have to trust me on this, but, I can't. Its a really good source, so I don't know if I can give it up.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs FO would never hear the end of it (and rightfully so).

Ya but sometimes you have to think about the future and not think with your hearts. There is just not many scenarios where trading Manu makes sense, so we don't have to really worry about it.

But if the Spurs were to trade Manu, they had better grab something spectacular or else...

[DPG21920]

I don't know how the said source would react to me revealing that much so I'm sorry, you'll just have to trust me on this, but, I can't. Its a really good source, so I don't know if I can give it up.

Just lie to FWD, who cares, no one on here will know the difference anyways.

Quit being unreasonable FWD, he does not need to nor should he give any info.

[mexicanjunior]

After mulling this over, I'm calling BS on this. Manu is fine. This is just CIA Pop tactics. He looked at the schedule, saw it was just the knicks, remembered the heat he took for giving guys the night off in Denver and all of a sudden out comes a story about Manu's ankle hurting. Then for the Detroit game on Thursday Manu, fresh off a full 7 days of rest, will magically discover that his ankle is feeling better and we all move on.

He really needed another night off after being off about a week already? Talk about not caring about playoff seeding...

[xtremesteven33]

Something fishys going on here....

[EricB]

Yeah, he practiced yesterday, there has been ZERO mention of right ankle problems, team leaves on the trip yesterday for the game, and its just now coming out that he didn't go on the trip?

[Blake]

The fact that you are pulling that I am saying the Spurs would trade Manu for VC or Salmons out shows the problems you have comprehending.

omigosh dude.....:lol

I've got you in quotes saying the Spurs would trade Manu for Salmons.

What more do you need?

lol, dipsh1t.


Once again, never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. ::yield

that's not true. I'm arguing with you and you haven't dragged me down to your level.

:lol moron.

[coyotes_geek]

He really needed another night off after being off about a week already? Talk about not caring about playoff seeding...

If there's anyone on this team who you should be extra-conservative with it's Manu. And honestly, shouldn't the Spurs be able to beat the knicks without him?

[FromWayDowntown]

Quit being unreasonable FWD, he does not need to nor should he give any info.

It's unreasonable to ask for a source for something as substantial as a claim that this is a "phantom injury?"

I suppose I should have also believed those well-placed sources who insisted that David Robinson to the Knicks was a done deal a few years ago.

[Leetonidas]

You people are looking way too much into it. Pop probably told him to take a little more time off and get healthy. It's just the Knicks and Pistons.

[Blake]

All I said was that if the Spurs were thinking of doing the VC or Salmons trade (one that DID NOT INCLUDE MANU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM) that Manu getting hurt would not make them more urgent to do so.

If those trades were on the table (ONES THAT DO NOT INCLUDE MANU BEING TRADED) that they would probably do it.

Even when I explain, you still act like an idiot and cannot comprehend. Funny that you said guys like me need to be "flammed", ironic coming from a flamer.

alright calm down.....I'm just fukking with you.

you're still an idiot for wanting to trade Duncan for LBJ.

[Blake]

If there's anyone on this team who you should be extra-conservative with it's Manu. And honestly, shouldn't the Spurs be able to beat the knicks without him?

yes.

Finley > Manu

[DPG21920]

omigosh dude.....:lol

I've got you in quotes saying the Spurs would trade Manu for Salmons.

What more do you need?

lol, dipsh1t.



that's not true. I'm arguing with you and you haven't dragged me down to your level.

:lol moron.

Quote me saying: " The Spurs SHOULD/WOULD TRADE MANU FOR VC OR SALMONS". I already explained how you mind fuc*ed the comprehension of what I said and you still keep going and going and going

you are a retarded version of this
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/upload/2007/03/BnyBigBunny_img.jpg

[Blake]

Manu wants in on the game huh? :king

After the Spurs go up by 25 midway thru the 2nd, DAntoni will try to squeeze in.

[DPG21920]

Even though it's the other ankle, it still scares me a bit that Manu keeps getting injured. I know we don't know what the injury is yet, but if it's been bothering him since before the break, I'd be at least somewhat concerned.

I can also see a trade for Carter or Salmons happening now that Ginobili could possibly be out for a while.


I don't see why Gino would effect that. If they were able to do a trade before for either one of those players, I am sure they probably would. I don't think Gino going down makes them more urgent to do something that could effect the team long term.

This is what I was responding to. This is the quote where you say I suggested Manu should be traded for VC? Does anyone else take that away from what I posted?

[yavozerb]

I really do not think Manu will get traded, but, the whole idea of him needing extra rest after the all-star break is pretty stupid...

[mexicanjunior]

If there's anyone on this team who you should be extra-conservative with it's Manu. And honestly, shouldn't the Spurs be able to beat the knicks without him?

I would have said the same thing about beating Toronto when we had all 3 of the "Big 3" intact and they were missing argueably their 2 best players. The Knicks are a better team than the Raptors...

[crc21209]

I think were looking TOO MUCH into this, maybe he just really is hurt, or Pop believes this will benefit Manu a bit and beating NY, DET, and WAS wont be as tough without Manu or something. I hope to god we are not trading Manu.

[coyotes_geek]

yes.

Finley > Manu

:lol We should trade Manu then.

[coyotes_geek]

I would have said the same thing about beating Toronto when we had all 3 of the "Big 3" intact and they were missing argueably their 2 best players. The Knicks are a better team than the Raptors...

Should have won that one. Still, this is a game the Spurs can win without him and Manu's health is way more important that one regular season game. Or two. Or three. Or however many games Pop feels he needs to sit Manu to have him at his peak come playoff time.

[xtremesteven33]

IF Spurs were to trade Manu....We better get Carter and Sean Williams in return.

[mexicanjunior]

Should have won that one. Still, this is a game the Spurs can win without him and Manu's health is way more important that one regular season game. Or two. Or three. Or however many games Pop feels he needs to sit Manu to have him at his peak come playoff time.

If his health is this unstable going into the 2nd half of the season, we really do need to make a trade. This is especially true if we are possibly concediing games and seedings to bank on health being the deciding factor in a playoff series.

[DPG21920]

IF Spurs were to trade Manu....We better get Carter and Sean Williams in return.

No F'ing way do we trade Manu for VC and Williams. No way. Brook Lopez and VC then we can start to talk, but Willams, no way.

[DPG21920]

I wonder why no one is talking about the draft next year. There are a lot of teams capped out and struggling financially that have very good 1st round draft picks, why not buy one?

[xtremesteven33]

No F'ing way do we trade Manu for VC and Williams. No way. Brook Lopez and VC then we can start to talk, but Willams, no way.



What i mean to say is its gotta be for VC and a BIG they got. Sean Williams is the first that came to mind besides Lopez. Lopez is thier new franchise Big.

[EricB]

Finding out now that Ginobili did not attend practice yesterday.

[Blake]

:lol We should trade Manu then.

Manu is a bench player. Vince is a starter. If NJ is stupid enough and they could make the salaries work, that alone is enough, imo.

[Bruno]

I hope it is only a Minor injury. Sprus need a 100% healthy Manu for the playoffs.

I don't think at all that Manu will be traded but the timing of this injury is really odd. Trade deadline is only in 44h, I will just wait and see instead of making some wild speculations.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL Brook Lopez..

the Nets wouldn't consider Manu for VC straight up, but they would give up a potential star big man? LOL..

Manu isn't as valuable to other teams..he's still a great SG, but he's old, and injury prone..

[anakha]

Finding out now that Ginobili did not attend practice yesterday.

So much for that 'phantom' injury speculation.

[FromWayDowntown]

Finding out now that Ginobili did not attend practice yesterday.

That phantom injury spoken of by your unnamed source?

[crc21209]

So Manu DID NOT attend practice? Well then squash these fucking trade speculations and lets get back to Sheed damn it! lol.

[EricB]

I've been told to lay low.

So I can't really post about this stuff anymore

[Blake]

I've been told to lay low.

So I can't really post about this stuff anymore

so Pregg Gopovich told you to shut up?

Good idea.

[mexicanjunior]

I've been told to lay low.

So I can't really post about this stuff anymore

:lol

[anakha]

He practiced normally yesterday according to all reports.



Its a really good source


Finding out now that Ginobili did not attend practice yesterday.

REALLY good source there, T Park. :rolleyes

[DPG21920]

LOL Brook Lopez..

the Nets wouldn't consider Manu for VC straight up, but they would give up a potential star big man? LOL..

Manu isn't as valuable to other teams..he's still a great SG, but he's old, and injury prone..

LOL, why would NJ not consider Manu for VC straight up? Manu is better and they get a much friendlier contract. (I know it does not work salary wise)

[urunobili]

REALLY good source there, T Park. :rolleyes

EricB is TPark? :wow

[crc21209]

EricB is TPark? :wow


:lol Will somebody just please start a thread titled "EricB is TPark" so EVERYONE knows from now on. lol.

[coyotes_geek]

So much for that 'phantom' injury speculation.

Not neccissarily. If the idea is to give him a week off, why give him tonight's game off, yet make him practice? If Manu doesn't play Thursday then I'll start to get a little concerned. Until then though I see no reason to discount the idea that this is a phantom injury.

[afireinside20]

Could be a sort of trick to lure Carter, hmmmm?:flag:

[EricB]

REALLY good source there, T Park. :rolleyes


Read or scroll

Don't like it?

Don't read.

[pad300]

LOL Brook Lopez..

the Nets wouldn't consider Manu for VC straight up, but they would give up a potential star big man? LOL..

Manu isn't as valuable to other teams..he's still a great SG, but he's old, and injury prone..


I'm absolutely sure that NJ would do that if they could get the CBA to work. They would LOVE to trade VC's contract for Manu's...

IMO, the following are reasonable deals for NJN (and SAS) :

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b2d8hp

or

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=chy7mh (with cash considerations from the Spurs to buy out Oberto)

Carter plays more minutes than Ginobili, but Ginobili is more productive per minute... Carter takes Gino's minutes, + 8-10 mpg of Finleys, and the remaining 15-10 mpg gets split between Bowen, Mason and Hairston. Lopez help's our big situation a fair bit - he's raw, but has some talent.

The price for shifting Carter's contract for Manu's is at least either Lopez (A young big who's shown talent), or a couple of #1's ... It cost Pheonix to 2 #1 picks to move KT to the Sonics. That was only a $8.9Million dollar contract (only 1 year left...) Carter vs Ginobili is cap freedom in 2010, the so called big FA year, and $20 Million (Gino) vs $67 Million (Carter).

PS. Vince is older than Manu...

[Spursfan092120]

:lol Will somebody just please start a thread titled "EricB is TPark" so EVERYONE knows from now on. lol.
Done and done.
:hat

[anakha]

Read or scroll

Don't like it?

Don't read.

So your defense changes from "I have a good source, trust me!" to "Fuck off"?

:lmao

[Duncan2177]

Manu is not going to be traded.

[Blake]

Read or scroll

Don't like it?

Don't read.

hey, didn't R.B. Cuford told you to knock it off with the insider news?

[crc21209]

Done and done.
:hat

:lol I get an assist on that thread being started! lol.

[Duncan2177]

I think Tony Parker has more important things to do then go on a spurs fans chat board. Silly

[EricB]

So your defense changes from "I have a good source, trust me!" to "Fuck off"?

:lmao


I didn't say that.

All I said is, if you don't like what I'm writing, don't read it.

That simple.

[FromWayDowntown]

hey, didn't R.B. Cuford told you to knock it off with the insider news?

I thought it was Hon Darris or maybe Sreg Gimmons.

[ElNono]

I just got off the phone with Heter Polt. He said T Park needs to be quiet now. I just don't know who T Park is...

[timvp]

This is absolutely not a phantom injury.

And I mean absolutely.

:pctoss

:depressed

[anakha]

I didn't say that.

All I said is, if you don't like what I'm writing, don't read it.

That simple.

It's not a matter of whether I like what you're posting or not - it's all about you posting speculative BS without even having the correct information.

[Sec24Row7]

Manu is the main reason I watch the Spurs... if he moves... I'm still a spurs fan... but a casual one

[FromWayDowntown]

This is absolutely not a phantom injury.

And I mean absolutely.

:pctoss

:depressed

That sounds not so good.

[DPG21920]

This is absolutely not a phantom injury.

And I mean absolutely.

:pctoss

:depressed

Why do you say that? Is there an update?

[DPG21920]

Done and done.
:hat

What? Yall have this all wrong. Sequ is Tpark and Eric B is Sequ.

[urunobili]

Manu is not going to be traded.

I am actually thinking Pop told him about it... and he decided not to travel with the team... not to hurt his legacy... the Spurs didn;t publicly bring it up... :depressed

[EricB]

It's not a matter of whether I like what you're posting or not - it's all about you posting speculative BS without even having the correct information.


I'll be sure to run all info through you first next time.

[Shastafarian]

This is absolutely not a phantom injury.

And I mean absolutely.

:pctoss

:depressed

Good this means TPark can tell us who his source is now that we know he/she is full of shit.

[urunobili]

i nn to roll a joint... can't believe he is about to be traded...

[anakha]

I'll be sure to run all info through you first next time.

Still dodging the issue, I see. :lol

Alright, have fun trying to fool everybody with your 'insider news' and 'unimpeachable sources'.

[neboat]

This is absolutely not a phantom injury.

And I mean absolutely.

:pctoss

:depressed

Not a phantom injury so meaning that Manu is seriously hurt?

or meaning that Manu is not hurt at all and could be traded?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Manu to Denver
VC to Spurs
Trade exceptions to Nets

:lol

[EricB]

Still dodging the issue, I see. :lol

Alright, have fun trying to fool everybody with your 'insider news' and 'unimpeachable sources'.


No problemo.

Again, I'll make sure to pass the info through you first so to make sure I can post it next time.

[DPG21920]

i nn to roll a joint... can't believe he is about to be traded...

Relax, not happening.

[timvp]

Not a phantom injury so meaning that Manu is seriously hurt?

or meaning that Manu is not hurt at all and could be traded?

Manu is hurt ............................................. :depressed

[Shastafarian]

Manu is hurt ............................................. :depressed

But how? I don't remember anything during a game. Did something happen in practice that none of us know about?

[xtremesteven33]

Why do i get a weird feeling about whats about to happen in the next few days....

[smeagol]

Manu is hurt ............................................. :depressed

What the fuck is going on?

[anakha]

No problemo.

Again, I'll make sure to pass the info through you first so to make sure I can post it next time.

Yup, still as sarcastic and condescending as ever.

So much for you wanting a better reputation with your new username.

[xtremesteven33]

What the fuck is going on?



Speculation here on Spurstalk that Manu might be traded....

[smeagol]

Speculation here on Spurstalk that Manu might be traded....

I get that.

But LJ's posts worry me . . .

[InK]

Just great:depressed

[EricB]

Yup, still as sarcastic and condescending as ever.

So much for you wanting a better reputation with your new username.


No I can't do anything right with you guys, so why bother anymore.

[PeterBurns]

Manu is having hair replacement surgery, and is day-to-day. Once I hear more, I'll update

[EricB]

Manu is having hair replacement surgery, and is day-to-day. Once I hear more, I'll update

:lmao

[xtremesteven33]

I get that.

But LJ's posts worry me . . .



yea.


I dont think it will happen.

:(

[Kori Ellis]

Manu is having hair replacement surgery, and is day-to-day. Once I hear more, I'll update

Yeah, I wish it was that.