Euroleague Expands From 24 teams To 30

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/44611/180/item

Euroleague clubs and representatives of national leagues met today in the Italian capital to advance debate on the strategic plan for the 2009-12 period that was first presented in Berlin in July 2008.

An evolution of this plan was presented that would permit a greater consensus across Europe and would allow for greater participation from teams and national leagues that do not currently have access to the competition.

The proposal was supported by 20 clubs and 3 of the leagues represented in Tuesday’s meeting where an agreement on the direction of the proposal presented was reached. Votes against the proposal came from 2 clubs and 2 leagues. This overwhelming consensus in favour of the strategic plan signifies another step towards creating the necessary stability for the continued positive growth of the Euroleague.

As part of these developments, the competition would consist of five phases: Qualifying Rounds, Regular Season, Top 16, Playoffs, and Final Four.

The proposal discussed would allow double the number of national champions to participate in the top European competition compared to the current format, by opening the Euroleague up to 30 teams when including the Qualifying Rounds.

* The Qualifying Rounds would be played by 8 teams, of which 2 would qualify for the Regular Season.
* The Regular Season would be played by 24 teams: 13 having long-term A Licences, 10 having one-year B Licences (including the 2 teams from the Qualifying Rounds), and the Eurocup champion having a one-year C Licence. This will be revised and evaluated in the summer of 2012.
* The A Licences would go to the 13 top-ranked teams since the 2002-03 season, when the competition was consolidated with 24 teams per year, according to the following ranking parameters: 60% sports results, 30% TV income generated in their markets, and 10% arena attendance.
* The champions in at least 12 national leagues, if not more, would have their presence in the Euroleague guaranteed with the possibility of obtaining a one-year B Licence based solely on sports results in their domestic championships. The runners-up and third-place teams from three of the highest-rated national leagues according to a separate ranking would also have options to obtain a B Licence. If, however, a Euroleague team with an A Licence wins its domestic title, that place would not go directly to the same country's runner-up, but rather to the next country on the ranking of national leagues, thus permitting more opportunities among countries and clubs.
* The Eurocup champion would retain the current prize for winning that competition, namely a one-year C Licence. If a team qualifies as Eurocup champion and later wins its national championship, the team would go to the Euroleague as national champion and the Eurocup C Licence would become a wild card.

Euroleague Basketball assembly in RomeThe strategic plan included proposals for promoting the Euroleague and optimizing its economic resources, including the television coverage and commercial assets of the competition. A business plan was presented including specific economic objectives and investments. These were considered highly important.

Finally 23 out of the 30 members present agreed to create a Shareholders Executive Board formed by:

* President, Jordi Bertomeu, Euroleague Basketball CEO
* Asseco Prokom Sopot
* CSKA Moscow
* Efes Pilsen
* Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv
* Montepaschi Siena
* Olympiacos Piraeus
* Real Madrid
* Tau Ceramica
* ABA (Adriatic League)
* BBL (Germany)
* LEGA (Italy)
* LNB (France).


The goal of this board is to monitor and control the observance of the resolutions adopted by Shareholders Meetings.
Tuesday, February 17, 2009

[lil_penny]

Did they finally pick up the globetrotters?

[scanry]

I'll bet any of our Top 10 college teams can hand their asses on a plate.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I'll bet any of our Top 10 college teams can hand their asses on a plate.

Which explain why so many NBA players suck in Euroleague? You are true idiot.

[mardigan]

Which explain why so many NBA players suck in Euroleague? You are true idiot.

Didn't Trajon Langdon win player of the year or something in the Euroleague? The guy who wasn't the best player on his team in college and couldn't make an NBA roster? What about Anthony Parker, didn't he have a pretty decent career in Euroleague and struggled like hell to make it into the NBA? Just as many Euro players come into the NBA and suck ass, and marginal American talent has gone to Euroleague and dominated, so you are one truly idiot.

[dirk4mvp]

lmao V Span

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Didn't Trajon Langdon win player of the year or something in the Euroleague? The guy who wasn't the best player on his team in college and couldn't make an NBA roster? What about Anthony Parker, didn't he have a pretty decent career in Euroleague and struggled like hell to make it into the NBA? Just as many Euro players come into the NBA and suck ass, and marginal American talent has gone to Euroleague and dominated, so you are one truly idiot.

No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?

[Shastafarian]

No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?

He was voted as a first team all-league player.

[mardigan]

No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?

Oh sorry, I meant Euroleague Finals MVP and First team All Euro league. Him being able to do that says everything about Euroleague.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He was voted as a first team all-league player.

So he "dominated" :rollin

Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????:downspin:

[mardigan]

So he "dominated" :rollin

Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????:downspin:

Didn't they win the title with him being the best player on the team?

[Shastafarian]

So he "dominated" :rollin

Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????:downspin:

Never said he dominated. Why don't you chill out and try to comprehend posts better? Or maybe you're too busy jerking Spanoulis off under the table?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Oh sorry, I meant Euroleague Finals MVP and First team All Euro league. Him being able to do that says everything about Euroleague.

You have no idea what you even talk about here. Final four MVP is given only for play in last 2 games of year for team that wins championship. Most times is base on just last game. Is basically given to player that has most efficient stat line of final game by plus minus stat.

First Euroleague team is given by online internet fans vote of 50% and by other 50% to player with highest plus minus by position on teams that make final four of Euroleague.

This is nothing like NBA awards you dumbass. Trajan langdon has never at any time been anything more then at best maybe 4th best player on his own team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Didn't they win the title with him being the best player on the team?

:downspin::lol:blah:rollin:rolleyes

Best player on CSKA? This is joke right?

[mardigan]

:downspin::lol:blah:rollin:rolleyes

Best player on CSKA? This is joke right?

Thats why there was a question mark. I was curious, but you already answered my question in your last post.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Top 16 of Euroleague which is where main season begin because is after all the poor clubs leave like French teams and very small budget teams.


Langdon had 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 steals in 25 minutes against Fenerbache and 5 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists in 16 minutes against Siena.

He played less minutes against Siena because his team was blown out of game already within first quarter.

NBA American fans have been saying for years how this player is dominant in Europe and is best player there and other craps. Is base on just pure fantasy and is complete joke.

He is a good role player on CSKA which has been one of best teams in Europe. He is good role player as in player that hits open jump shots created by other players.

[mardigan]

Top 16 of Euroleague which is where main season begin because is after all the poor clubs leave like French teams and very small budget teams.


Langdon had 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 steals in 25 minutes against Fenerbache and 5 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists in 16 minutes against Siena.

He played less minutes against Siena because his team was blown out of game already within first quarter.

NBA American fans have been saying for years how this player is dominant in Europe and is best player there and other craps. Is base on just pure fantasy and is complete joke.

He is a good role player on CSKA which has been one of best teams in Europe. He is good role player as in player that hits open jump shots created by other players.
Then I guess i shouldnt have said dominated, my mistake. Very successful would have been more suitable. But I thought Parker had done quite well for himself over there as well.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Then I guess i shouldnt have said dominated, my mistake. Very successful would have been more suitable. But I thought Parker had done quite well for himself over there as well.

Parker was much better than Langdon. Langdon is always 4-6 best player on his own team. Parker was however best player on Maccabi. But 2nd best player on Maccabi was Jasikevicius.

You need understand in those days Euroleague was much poorer than now. It was only in maybe 4-5 years of existence and even huge clubs like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had budgets of around 2.5 to 3 million. CSKA which is team Langdon play on had budget of maybe 4 million in those days. These are 3 biggest clubs in Europe.

To be best player in league in those days is not same thing as now. To compare to now, Jasikevicius is maybe around 5-8 best player on Panathinaikos team now. In those days when Parker was in Europe even today's version of Jasikevicius would still be one of best players in Europe.

But now he is just role player on a big club. he have same job he did with Pacers. Come off bench for 15-20 minutes and shoot open 3s and do nothing else really. And he is maybe worst defender of all guards in Greek league. But in time when Parker was in Europe he was consider one of best players.

Just so you understand Olympiacos now have $60-70 million budget. Panathinaikos budget is like $43 million. CSKA have budget of around $46 million now.

So Parker was great player in Europe in era when biggest clubs spend maybe 2-4 million. Now compare to budgets of now? Parker would just be role player and nothing more in big club in Europe now.

Look at Childress. Role player with 10 points and 5 rebounds and poor defense and worst shooter of the whole league probably. Pargo is 5 points and 3 assists average in Euroleague.

In time when Parker played there these same players would be stars but not close to that now. It is like argue Mikan dominated NBA so now NBA suck because he dominated it when league was much worse than now.

[mardigan]

Parker was much better than Langdon. Langdon is always 4-6 best player on his own team. Parker was however best player on Maccabi. But 2nd best player on Maccabi was Jasikevicius.

You need understand in those days Euroleague was much poorer than now. It was only in maybe 4-5 years of existence and even huge clubs like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had budgets of around 2.5 to 3 million. CSKA which is team Langdon play on had budget of maybe 4 million in those days. These are 3 biggest clubs in Europe.

To be best player in league in those days is not same thing as now. To compare to now, Jasikevicius is maybe around 5-8 best player on Panathinaikos team now. In those days when Parker was in Europe even today's version of Jasikevicius would still be one of best players in Europe.

But now he is just role player on a big club. he have same job he did with Pacers. Come off bench for 15-20 minutes and shoot open 3s and do nothing else really. And he is maybe worst defender of all guards in Greek league. But in time when Parker was in Europe he was consider one of best players.

Just so you understand Olympiacos now have $60-70 million budget. Panathinaikos budget is like $43 million. CSKA have budget of around $46 million now.

So Parker was great player in Europe in era when biggest clubs spend maybe 2-4 million. Now compare to budgets of now? Parker would just be role player and nothing more in big club in Europe now.

Look at Childress. Role player with 10 points and 5 rebounds and poor defense and worst shooter of the whole league probably. Pargo is 5 points and 3 assists average in Euroleague.

In time when Parker played there these same players would be stars but not close to that now. It is like argue Mikan dominated NBA so now NBA suck because he dominated it when league was much worse than now.

Who is the best American right now in the Euroleague?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Who is the best American right now in the Euroleague?

Best top 5 Americans in Euroleague at moment is probably players like

Mike Batiste
Josh Childress
JR Holden
Terrell McIntyre
Jannero Pargo

I will guess something like this. Batiste is probably best of all these players.

This is him in youtube:

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[mardigan]

Best top 5 Americans in Euroleague at moment is probably players like

Mike Batiste
Josh Childress
JR Holden
Terrell McIntyre
Jannero Pargo

I will guess something like this.

Pargo huh? How has his transition been to Euroleague? I was wondering how he would do. I also heard that before he got hurt, Childress was playing reall well.

[mogrovejo]

Parker has always been an incredibly under-rated NBA player. Except this season, when his decline was steep. But in his prime he was a very good player: excellent perimeter defender, great shooter, heady play, good passer, good ball-handler, some shot-creation skills. It's no coincidence that Toronto's debacle happened when he suddenly lost 2 steps.

This kind of conversation is childish and bizarre. Of course the NBA has much more quality and talent than the European Leagues, no comparison. Comparing the Euroleague to the NCAA is even more crazy.

The important thing to notice is that the games are different, so the skill-set one needs to be successful is also different. Some players have relatively more success in the NBA than in Europe and vice-versa. Guys like Saras or Langdon are clearly more adapted to the European game. It's different with players like Pietrus, Childress or Bowen. They wouldn't be, aren't or weren't better in Europe than in the NBA in spite of the overall talent being smaller.

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Anyway, it's weird to call this an expansion. Some more teams will be playing a qualifying round, but the number of teams playing the regular season will remain the same. The biggest difference is that the EL will start being a semi-closed league, but that's old news.

[El Jefe]

Doesn't sound like they are expanding to 30 teams. They're having an 8 team qualifying round, with the top 2 teams getting to participate in the regular season, which is still going to be 24 teams.

I don't actually know how the current 24 teams are decided, but it sounds like they are just changing up the process of choosing the 24 teams, not really expanding.

[El Jefe]

mogrovejo beat me to it :toast

[hater]

James Gist bitches.

don't forget about the Gist, which we have on ice in Europe

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Doesn't sound like they are expanding to 30 teams. They're having an 8 team qualifying round, with the top 2 teams getting to participate in the regular season, which is still going to be 24 teams.

I don't actually know how the current 24 teams are decided, but it sounds like they are just changing up the process of choosing the 24 teams, not really expanding.

30 teams will have chance to play in it every year. Now is only 24.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

James Gist bitches.

don't forget about the Gist, which we have on ice in Europe

As far as I know he is not even in Euroleague. He plays I think in a low level Italian club which is far from Euroleague level.

[mardigan]

As far as I know he is not even in Euroleague. He plays I think in a low level Italian club which is far from Euroleague level.

Pallacanestro Biella. Italian Serie A, I think? But he is still putting up good stats, albeit on what you say is not a good team.

[hater]

As far as I know he is not even in Euroleague. He plays I think in a low level Italian club which is far from Euroleague level.

that's why I said "on ice". Pop sent him to Italy like Don Vito sent Michael.

He's probably banging a bitch named Apollonia right bout now

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Pargo huh? How has his transition been to Euroleague? I was wondering how he would do. I also heard that before he got hurt, Childress was playing reall well.

Childress is good role player for Olympiacos. He have same role he had in Hawks. He is to run on fast break and finish dunks and guard wing players. His average for season is 10 points and 5 rebounds. His defense is questionable thing though. In some games he is very good in defense and in others very poor.

He cannot score in half court or in one on one. His jump shooting is maybe worst in Euroleague for all wing players. He is maybe anywhere from 3rd to 9th best player on Olympiacos. He is though either 2nd or 3rd most athletic player on Olympiacos. He is similar in athletic ability to Printezis and only Pelekanos is more athletic player and better dunker on his team.

Pargo is capable in offense as outside shooter but is streaky. He is also solid in defense but not more than that. He is 5 points and 3 assists per game. He is probably 2nd best point guard on Olympiacos and also possibly anywhere from 3rd to 9th best player on that team.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Pallacanestro Biella. Italian Serie A, I think? But he is still putting up good stats, albeit on what you say is not a good team.

You must understand this is very poor level. Childress would be able to get 20 and 5 in such club easily and is 10/5 type player in highest levels of Europe.

There is huge difference between playing in very small domestic clubs and playing in very big Euroleague clubs. Is like difference between NBDL and NBA.

[El Jefe]

* The Qualifying Rounds would be played by 8 teams, of which 2 would qualify for the Regular Season.
* The Regular Season would be played by 24 teams: 13 having long-term A Licences, 10 having one-year B Licences (including the 2 teams from the Qualifying Rounds), and the Eurocup champion having a one-year C Licence. This will be revised and evaluated in the summer of 2012.


Still going to be 24 teams. 8 teams get to fight it out to be a part of that 24, but to say it's expanding to 30 is misleading.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Still going to be 24 teams. 8 teams get to fight it out to be a part of that 24, but to say it's expanding to 30 is misleading.

To me means 30 teams because that many will be allowed to advance. Is like argue there is only 16 NBA teams because only that many makes playoffs.

[mogrovejo]

To me means 30 teams because that many will be allowed to advance. Is like argue there is only 16 NBA teams because only that many makes playoffs.

No, it's like saying that 30 teams play in the NBA playoffs because they all have a chance to play them.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No, it's like saying that 30 teams play in the NBA playoffs because they all have a chance to play them.

And so does all 30 teams in Euroleague. All 30 teams can win championship of league. so how do 30 teams in league with chance to win =24 teams?

[El Jefe]

To me means 30 teams because that many will be allowed to advance. Is like argue there is only 16 NBA teams because only that many makes playoffs.

By your definition, you would have to include every team that plays in a national tournament where winning = qualifying for Euroleague, as well as every team in Eurocup.

So why not say Euroleague is expanding to 100 teams? Why not count up every team playing in a national tournament that has a chance to qualify? I'm eagerly anticipating your disagreement with that logic.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

By your definition, you would have to include every team that plays in a national tournament where winning = qualifying for Euroleague, as well as every team in Eurocup.

So why not say Euroleague is expanding to 100 teams? Why not count up every team playing in a national tournament that has a chance to qualify? I'm eagerly anticipating your disagreement with that logic.


:blah:rolleyes

So now all NBDL teams that partner with NBA clubs are also part of NBA right?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

U-Conn could whoop any of those Eurobitch team's ass. Hasheem Thabeet would rape all those flopping pussies.

[El Jefe]

:blah:rolleyes

So now all NBDL teams that partner with NBA clubs are also part of NBA right?

Nope, the NBDL teams have no chance of jumping leagues into the NBA. I'm talking about Euro teams that play in a tournament where winning = a spot in the big leagues.

Try again

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

U-Conn could whoop any of those Eurobitch team's ass. Hasheem Thabeet would rape all those flopping pussies.

:rolleyes which explain how NBA players is nothing but role players in Euroleague? Batiste is probably only American in good Euroleague club that is one of key players of team. All others are just role players same as they were in NBA.

Your own Brandon Jennings who is rated as top 8 player in his whole age group of USA and he is just 3rd best point guard on just his own Euroleague team and Arizona college team was begging to get him.

Yes you are smart.:rolleyes

[El Jefe]

Nope, the NBDL teams have no chance of jumping leagues into the NBA. I'm talking about Euro teams that play in a tournament where winning = a spot in the big leagues.

Try again

Nothing KBP? You didn't want another crack at it?

I'll check back later. Let me know what you come up with.

[dirk4mvp]

U-Conn could whoop any of those Eurobitch team's ass. Hasheem Thabeet would rape all those flopping pussies.

Any top 25 team would wipe their asses with any euroleague team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:rolleyes which explain how NBA players is nothing but role players in Euroleague? Batiste is probably only American in good Euroleague club that is one of key players of team. All others are just role players same as they were in NBA.

Your own Brandon Jennings who is rated as top 8 player in his whole age group of USA and he is just 3rd best point guard on just his own Euroleague team and Arizona college team was begging to get him.

Yes you are smart.:rolleyes

Forgive Brandon Jennings for playing real men basketball his entire life and not being able to adjust to fagot flop ball.

[Mal]

I'll bet any of our Top 10 college teams can hand their asses on a plate.

No fucking way.

[dirk4mvp]

No fucking way.

It'd actually be quite easy.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Nope, the NBDL teams have no chance of jumping leagues into the NBA. I'm talking about Euro teams that play in a tournament where winning = a spot in the big leagues.

Try again

Winning does not = spot in Euroleague. Maccabi has not been win in Israel league and yet they are only Israel team in Euroleague.

[turiaf for president]

dood shut the fuck up. no one care about ure fucken euroleague. and if you argue that langdon is only the 4th best player in the league, you still LOSE because he cant even play for the clippers if he tried

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

dood shut the fuck up. no one care about ure fucken euroleague. and if you argue that langdon is only the 4th best player in the league, you still LOSE because he cant even play for the clippers if he tried

4th or so best player on his TEAM not in the league.

On CSKA players better than him is

Siskauskas
Smodis
Lorbek
Morris
Khyrapa
Holden
Planinic
Zisis

After all these players Trajan is probably the next best one on CSKA in these days. However he is more important to the team winning than some of them probably because of his value as a shooter to his team and how he can spread the floor. What I mean to say was in all his years in CSKA he has probably never been more than at most 4th best player on his team. I did not mean 4th best player in Euroleague.

And also he is still a good role player. He would be able to play in NBA as 8 or 9 man in plenty of teams if he wanted to. And for your comment about Clippers, CSKA beat the Clippers by 19 points and Langdon had 17 points in the game when they played each other.

[El Jefe]

Winning does not = spot in Euroleague. Maccabi has not been win in Israel league and yet they are only Israel team in Euroleague.

Please reread from your original post




* The Qualifying Rounds would be played by 8 teams, of which 2 would qualify for the Regular Season.
* The Regular Season would be played by 24 teams: 13 having long-term A Licences, 10 having one-year B Licences (including the 2 teams from the Qualifying Rounds), and the Eurocup champion having a one-year C Licence. This will be revised and evaluated in the summer of 2012.
* The A Licences would go to the 13 top-ranked teams since the 2002-03 season, when the competition was consolidated with 24 teams per year, according to the following ranking parameters: 60% sports results, 30% TV income generated in their markets, and 10% arena attendance.
* The champions in at least 12 national leagues, if not more, would have their presence in the Euroleague guaranteed with the possibility of obtaining a one-year B Licence based solely on sports results in their domestic championships. The runners-up and third-place teams from three of the highest-rated national leagues according to a separate ranking would also have options to obtain a B Licence. If, however, a Euroleague team with an A Licence wins its domestic title, that place would not go directly to the same country's runner-up, but rather to the next country on the ranking of national leagues, thus permitting more opportunities among countries and clubs.
* The Eurocup champion would retain the current prize for winning that competition, namely a one-year C Licence. If a team qualifies as Eurocup champion and later wins its national championship, the team would go to the Euroleague as national champion and the Eurocup C Licence would become a wild card.

I'll give you one more shot to convince me there are going to be 30 Euroleague teams. Please refer to the original article and make an attempt to understand what they are describing before you try. Thank you.

[Bob Lanier]

Given the fact that many of the original Euroleague clubs are playing in converted barns, it seems kind of risky to allow even less respectable organizations into the mix.

I mean, a 2500-year-old Greek outdoor amphitheatre would be an improvement in many ways over what they currently are probably working with.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Please reread from your original post



I'll give you one more shot to convince me there are going to be 30 Euroleague teams. Please refer to the original article and make an attempt to understand what they are describing before you try. Thank you.

You must be idiot.

[El Jefe]

You must be idiot.

I think we're done here.

Thanks, it's been fun :toast